Banned?

[Daniel]

I'm currently getting a message when logging in via IE8 saying that I'm banned. If I log in via the mobile forum or on Opera (what I'm using atm) it's all fine.

Does anyone else get this? :confused:

[slorydn1]

Your not banned that I could see anywhere....must be some sort of glitch in ie8

[Daniel]

I was logging in as 306maxi who is indeed banned. Force of habit from another forum where that's my username :p Well that little mystery is solved *shakes head at self*

[slorydn1]

Well, that should just about cover the fly-by's :p

[inimitablestoo]

Your not banned ....must be some sort of glitch
Indeed ;)

[Easy Drifter]

Are we calling Daniel a glitch? :angel: :rotflmao: :love:

[Mark]

I will ban you for being a n00b :D

[AAReagles]

pardon my interruption... but I just read this, and I doubt Daniel had anything to do with what was illustrated above his post, #3, justing wondering if anyone else saw it... and of course thought it was perhaps time to delete it.

[pino]

pardon my interruption... but I just read this, and I doubt Daniel had anything to do with what was illustrated above his post, #3, justing wondering if anyone else saw it... and of course thought it was perhaps time to delete it.

Sorry but that image wasn't there when I first read that post...it's gone now :)

[Azumanga Davo]

I'm currently getting a message when logging in via IE8 saying that I'm banned. If I log in via the mobile forum or on Opera (what I'm using atm) it's all fine.

Does anyone else get this? :confused:

It sure saves a lot of time.

[Retro Formula 1]

Perhaps it was a premonition of the future?

;)

[Daniel]

Can someone get this man a waaaaambulance?

[Retro Formula 1]

Can someone get this man a waaaaambulance?

:laugh:

Now, how do you know I'm a man. I could be Mia's long lost French sister and desperate to get Bourdais back in the saddle? :D

[Daniel]

:laugh:

Now, how do you know I'm a man. I could be Mia's long lost French sister and desperate to get Bourdais back in the saddle? :D
Women have too much sense to go around whining like you :)

[Dave B]

Why is skc banned?
Reasons for bans are never usually made public, and chances are any offending posts will have been removed.

I think your question would be better phrased as, "why is skc banned but *******, ****, **********, ********* and *** ***** still free to post inane and insulting drivel?" ;)

(Oh, and don't bother counting the asterisks, they're completely random :p )

[ArrowsFA1]

What's the situation regarding previously banned members returning to the forum under the guise of a different user name?

[pino]

Why is skc banned?

For the same reasons many on F1 forum have been temporarly banned. He will be back in 2 weeks time...


What's the situation regarding previously banned members returning to the forum under the guise of a different user name?

Before taking any decisions, I need a concrete prove that he's the same member :)

[inimitablestoo]

Oo-er. Never liked it when Italians with power start mentioning concrete :uhoh:

;)

[Daniel]

I don't quite get why other people get banned when there is one obvious troublemaker who is always going around talking about how they'd punch people in the mouth, telling me that "he has two words for me" (rather than just saying eff off as someone with a spine would) and just generally showing no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with him.

[pino]

I thought his posts over the last few days were well written if I'm honest, apart from referring to someone as an idiot, I can't see why he would deserve a two week ban. I know on other forums they give warnings for flamebaiting/trolling, but on here you only seem to get banned for responding? Plus, its not usual that people get banned for just calling someone an idiot, or if thats the case alot of posters get away with it.



None gets banned without a warning trust me, and I don't recall anyone got unpunished for calling another member idiot...except for the few times where so many members were involved in fights and decided to close an eye insted of banning a dozen of members at once.

[Mark]

It's always been a problem with moderating. Where someone gets a ban for a seemingly 'minor' offence. Whereas what you haven't seen are the deleted and edited posts and the PM's sent to the member warning them to cool down. The final post is usually just the straw to break the camels back.

[ArrowsFA1]

It's always been a problem with moderating. Where someone gets a ban for a seemingly 'minor' offence. Whereas what you haven't seen are the deleted and edited posts and the PM's sent to the member warning them to cool down. The final post is usually just the straw to break the camels back.
Very true :up: It's a thankless task at times :s mokin:

[pino]

Very true :up: It's a thankless task at times :s mokin:

And yet...we only get a very little support/help from everyone :(

[Dave B]

It's always been a problem with moderating. Where someone gets a ban for a seemingly 'minor' offence. Whereas what you haven't seen are the deleted and edited posts and the PM's sent to the member warning them to cool down. The final post is usually just the straw to break the camels back.
I think that's the nub of the matter. We ordinary mortals don't get to see the deleted posts. When someone posts at 3am and we wake up to find them banned, the offending post has long since disappered - and with posters in differing timezones the world over this is often the case. All we see get to see is the disappearance of someone who seemingly wouldn't say boo to a goose, and (rightly) we don't know the full reasons for the ban.


And yet...we only get a very little support/help from everyone :(

Grazie mille ;)

[Daniel]

I think most people do appreciate your time and effort Pino. The one thing that grates with people is that one person seems to dominate a lot of threads and although on the surface seems pleasant enough and doesn't swear, is obviosly rude and disrespectful towards others. Occasionally there is a thread where other people will dominate the discussions but this person is always there doing the same thing and laughing when people react...

[markabilly]

And yet...we only get a very little support/help from everyone :(
okay, I will take a bullet for the team and let me make your life much easier and offer my help in how to do so........just put me back on your ignore list!!!!
:beer:

[pino]

okay, I will take a bullet for the team and let me make your life much easier and offer my help in how to do so........just put me back on your ignore list!!!!
:beer:

Listen, I am sick and tired of your attempt to be funny so I am asking this for the very last time: stop posting this crap or I will do that for you !

[ArrowsFA1]

Grazie mille ;)
I do not understand. Scusi. :p

[markabilly]

Listen, I am sick and tired of your attempt to be funny so I am asking this for the very last time: stop posting this crap or I will do that for you !
Listen, I am sick and tired of people whining over nothing and getting so worked up over some perceived slight on an internent forum that they make all sorts of mean spirited threats that they most likely would never make in a face to face situation.

So what is the big deal about all of this?

Let me think. I have raced motorcycles and formula cars, and even more fun were the shifter carts. I have rubbed elbows on the track with Colin Edwards, Schwantz, Hayden brothers and others. Known what it was like to crash and get burned. I have played football and felt the pain of not being able to get out of bed, only to do it and go play again. I have met guys like Clark, Bruce McLaren, Swede Savage, and too many others, only to read about their deaths later.


Even worse, I have been to war, seen and done things well beyond your worst nightmare. I have been shot at and shot back. I have saved lives and had lives lost while they were in my arms. To this day, I can still feel the hot muzzle of a weapon against my chest, feeling the click of the hammer hitting an empty chamber because the last round was stuck in the magazine, as well as the horror of what ocurred next. Every day after that is just one more day i should never have gotten.

So how am I to act in response to this rude threat...a seemingly clear violation of the forum rules of decorum....or should i mention, leadership by example.....

I think I have already wasted too much of my time on this subject.


This forum is nothing compared to important matters of life, death and family...it is suppose to be fun and enjoyable, yet all you people get so upset because someone said something they did not like about one of their heroes---a hero making millions for what most of us would pay good money to go do, a hero would could care less about any of us and would not give the time of day to any of us .

If being a moderator is so much work, pain and misery, then quit. I certainly do not want you getting sick over something I said in fun, because life is too short to spend any of it being sick or for that matter, worrying over how it might end.

Maybe Mark ought to pay you some of that revenue flowing in from those ads

There is only one mod,slorydn1, who seems to enjoy what he does, and brushing up against him is always a pleasure. :up:

[pino]

Listen, I am sick and tired of people whining over nothing and getting so worked up over some perceived slight on an internent forum that they make all sorts of mean spirited threats that they most likely would never make in a face to face situation.

So what is the big deal about all of this?

Let me think. I have raced motorcycles and formula cars, and even more fun were the shifter carts. I have rubbed elbows on the track with Colin Edwards, Schwantz, Hayden brothers and others. Known what it was like to crash and get burned. I have played football and felt the pain of not being able to get out of bed, only to do it and go play again. I have met guys like Clark, Bruce McLaren, Swede Savage, and too many others, only to read about their deaths later.


Even worse, I have been to war, seen and done things well beyond your worst nightmare. I have been shot at and shot back. I have saved lives and had lives lost while they were in my arms. To this day, I can still feel the hot muzzle of a weapon against my chest, feeling the click of the hammer hitting an empty chamber because the last round was stuck in the magazine, as well as the horror of what ocurred next. Every day after that is just one more day i should never have gotten.

So how am I to act in response to this rude threat...a seemingly clear violation of the forum rules of decorum....or should i mention, leadership by example.....

I think I have already wasted too much of my time on this subject.


This forum is nothing compared to important matters of life, death and family...it is suppose to be fun and enjoyable, yet all you people get so upset because someone said something they did not like about one of their heroes---a hero making millions for what most of us would pay good money to go do, a hero would could care less about any of us and would not give the time of day to any of us .

If being a moderator is so much work, pain and misery, then quit. I certainly do not want you getting sick over something I said in fun, because life is too short to spend any of it being sick or for that matter, worrying over how it might end.

Maybe Mark ought to pay you some of that revenue flowing in from those ads

There is only one mod,slorydn1, who seems to enjoy what he does, and brushing up against him is always a pleasure. :up:

I don't care who you are or what you have done in your life, and for sure I don't need you to tell me what to do in here or especially how I have to deal with members like you. I've been reading your crap and complaints for months now and I have no intention to keep doing that. You want to have fun and be funny ? fine, start a thread in chit chat and post what ever you want there, but keep me or any other Mods off your post. You want to complain about me or any other Mods? fine, do it in here in a civil and serious way without using your famous "humour" thank you !


Also I agree about slordy1, so how about you only visit his forum and stay the hell out of F1 and Chit-Chat ?

[Mark]

Nice post. You're quite right, this is only a forum for us to talk about motorsport, it is indeed supposed to be fun! Somewhere you come to unwind after the serious business of the day.

Thankfully the moderators don't do it for pay, and the money from the ads? It ain't all that, if it were then I certainly wouldn't be doing a real job for a living!

[Valve Bounce]

pino does a great job here. I have no problems with him, and I am glad here is here. Thanks pino. Sorry for being an ass myself sometimes, I just get carried away.

[markabilly]

I don't care who you are or what you have done in your life, and for sure I don't need you to tell me what to do in here or especially how I have to deal with members like you. I've been reading your crap and complaints for months now and I have no intention to keep doing that. You want to have fun and be funny ? fine, start a thread in chit chat and post what ever you want there, but keep me or any other Mods off your post. You want to complain about me or any other Mods? fine, do it in here in a civil and serious way without using your famous "humour" thank you !


Also I agree about slordy1, so how about you only visit his forum and stay the hell out of F1 and Chit-Chat ?
my only "complaint" about you is as I told you over the months in an indirect way, much like slordy1 has been indirect to me, is that you do not seem to have any fun. And that complaint has only been made a couple of times by me.

But someone who can not laugh at and about themselves, as I frequently do, esp. in a forum like this--well that is not my problem, although there are some posters who seem to have plenty of those issues.

poor slordy, when he saw that last comment, probably tossed all over his keyboard.

[markabilly]

Nice post. You're quite right, this is only a forum for us to talk about motorsport, it is indeed supposed to be fun! Somewhere you come to unwind after the serious business of the day.

Thankfully the moderators don't do it for pay, and the money from the ads? It ain't all that, if it were then I certainly wouldn't be doing a real job for a living!
I actually figure that you are doing it to enjoy it....thanks

[markabilly]

Also, I have never said pino does a "bad" job, indeed just the opposite on many occaisions over the years

[Easy Drifter]

I think all the mods do a good job and the F1 forum seems to be the one with more nastiness than the others I follow.
We are allowed quite a bit of freedom in Chit Chat, certainly more than in other areas on this forum. I do think that is as it should be but we do have to stay within reasonable bounds.
I for one do appreciate the work the mods and Mark do, even if Starter won't let me use my favourite description for the taxi cabs.

[Scotty G.]

From my experiences here, the mods at this forum do a LIGHT YEARS better job then a few of the other racing forums out there do.

Maybe the noob that runs a certain Indy Car-centric racing forum (who spends most of the day talking politics and hassling anyone who doesn't kiss his ass or believe in what he thinks is correct) could learn a few things from the people here. Then again, I don't think he has the mental capability of understanding anyway. :)

[slorydn1]

poor slordy, when he saw that last comment, probably tossed all over his keyboard.

Worse than that...my WIFE'S keyboard :p

My computer tossed it's own cookies (pun intended) a a few weeks ago :burn:

I appreciate the fact that you see that yes, I do love running the nascar forum. It's probably because I have the easiest job on MSF. Just don't believe that Pino doesn't love running his forum any less. It's just that the F1 forum is a much busier place because F1 is a worldwide sport and NASCAR is only a national sport with some international fans. I don't envy Pino because it does get rough in there, very rough indeed. I try to stay out of the day to day scuffles because Pino knows who's who and where they are coming from, and I don't. I do notice from the torrent of reported posts (9 of every 10 reports seem to be coming from the F1 forum) that it's the same 4 or 5 people cross reporting each other for some of the most trivial of slights, which then end up a big "food fight" with everyone piling to see who can get the best insult in before a) the instigator and usually the primary retaliator (is that a word?) gets a vacation, and b) Pino spends a couple of hours cleaning up the thread and ends up having to lock it anyway. Although I almost wish I'd have that problem, as it's been dead in the nascar forum this year, I am glad I don't.

Starter doesn't have it particulary easy either. Since becoming a mod I have been given access to the closed Champ Car forum, and after seeing just how vitriolic the posts got to be in there about the IRL, and looking at the older posts in the Indy car forum, I can see that the feelings were mutual. Some times Starter has been accused of being a little heavy handed. It seems to me he has been spot on and exactly what was needed to bring the two sides together into one united Indy Car forum. It can get a little heated at times, yes, but nowhere near as bad as it could have been once the two series merged back into one.

As for Mark-If it werent for Mark we'd have no place to go, figuratively, of course. He gets next to nothing for doing this and this whole ball game is his ballgame. 10 years strong and still kicking. So he must be doing something right :up:

As for lil ole me, I have inherited a forum that is a ghost of it's former self. There was a time that the NASCAR forum almost rivaled the F1 forum for posts and threads per day, now you go up and down the front page and most of the threads were started by me. I'm trying to bring it back, but I can only do so much by myself. This "deadness" has alowed me a certain amount of latitude in being a little more light hearted, and not having to "ride herd", if you will, by contatntly issuing warnings and bans for people slamming each other all the time. Heck the one time I did that I found out that I had screwed up badly and hadda eat it. But I guarentee you if I had a situation similar to Pino's I'd handle it exactly the same way he does. He and Starter are the two Mods that I go to for advice on Modding because they have two of the toughest jobs in here, I get to kinda skate a little bit :D

OK, enough of this stuff, time for a :beer: I gotta get some shut eye, 0-Dark-30 come around real early in these parts got work to do in the morning.

[markabilly]

Worse than that...my WIFE'S keyboard :p

.
not my fault...send the bill to Pino for a new one. He should have known better. :D


While I am sure I am the target for many a whiner, I seldom complain about any posters around here in those "reports", but now that you mention it, I am certain that there are massive amounts of complaining in those reports, with my name being frequent as a target.

Besides, as something you can appreciate, I look as those reports as being the same as filing a criminal or civil case against someone.

An old lawyer friend of mine once told me that in an assault case (civil or criminal), 99% of the time, he can not tell who started it, but he always knows who lost, and that is the complainer. Had a point, as no one puts another guy in the hospital with a good butt kicking, and then runs down and files a complaint or sues him.......

another thing is when he was appointed a city court judge handling minor offenses and traffic tickets. He described that as a combination of a job where he had the most fun, the least fun, greatest pleasure and the biggest headache, best job and the worst job, as he often found himself acting as moderator between neighbors and former friends fighting over something often trivial, but both being to the point of killing mad at each other. His ultimate solution was to just let them fight it out in his courtroom, until they were realizing how silly they were and they never came back.

When he did it different, handed out a harsh shut up, fined them both and all sorts of other stuff....sooner or later something else happenned and they were back....

another thing was a ticket i got from a certain officer somebody, who totally PO me, so I ended up in his court, where he gently pulled out of me the fact that I was not really saying I was innocent but just PO'd. He told me that this was often the case with this officer, and that he had more trials with him, then any other.

Indeed, one day he asked the chief about who was writing the most tickets, figuring it must be this guy since he was the most in his court, and then chief told him that of traffic officers writing traffic tickets, he wrote the fewest. The officer writing the most, by far, as in twice as many as any officer, was some guy that he had never met. As he told me, he questioned the logic of having that guy deal with trivial offenses in terms of the public image of the department, as distinquished from murders and such, where grandma and grandpa, preachers and everyone else, was running down and filing internal affairs complaints over the fact that this guy gave them a ticket about a stop sign

After that we became buds, but a couple of years ago, he caught swine flu, and before anyone really knew it, he had died. Some number of years ago, the officer that was the leader in writing tickets where nobody fussed, stopped a guy for running a stop sign, and was shot dead as he approached the car by a guy previously convicted of murdering his parents and then jumping parole from Minnesota. Sort of puts things in perspective.....

As to Scott Speed, looked over in the IRL section where the thread is about Speed, and Starter and somebody were at it over whatever.....but as some know, scottie was my hero, but when I saw him a couple or years ago, he did not give me the time of day, hadesfire, he did not even say hello!!!! :dozey:

[Drew]

I think the mods around here do a terrible job........ Baniel is still allowed to post :devil:

[Daniel]

True :D

[BDunnell]

not my fault...send the bill to Pino for a new one. He should have known better. :D


While I am sure I am the target for many a whiner, I seldom complain about any posters around here in those "reports", but now that you mention it, I am certain that there are massive amounts of complaining in those reports, with my name being frequent as a target.

Besides, as something you can appreciate, I look as those reports as being the same as filing a criminal or civil case against someone.

An old lawyer friend of mine once told me that in an assault case (civil or criminal), 99% of the time, he can not tell who started it, but he always knows who lost, and that is the complainer. Had a point, as no one puts another guy in the hospital with a good butt kicking, and then runs down and files a complaint or sues him.......

another thing is when he was appointed a city court judge handling minor offenses and traffic tickets. He described that as a combination of a job where he had the most fun, the least fun, greatest pleasure and the biggest headache, best job and the worst job, as he often found himself acting as moderator between neighbors and former friends fighting over something often trivial, but both being to the point of killing mad at each other. His ultimate solution was to just let them fight it out in his courtroom, until they were realizing how silly they were and they never came back.

When he did it different, handed out a harsh shut up, fined them both and all sorts of other stuff....sooner or later something else happenned and they were back....

another thing was a ticket i got from a certain officer somebody, who totally PO me, so I ended up in his court, where he gently pulled out of me the fact that I was not really saying I was innocent but just PO'd. He told me that this was often the case with this officer, and that he had more trials with him, then any other.

Indeed, one day he asked the chief about who was writing the most tickets, figuring it must be this guy since he was the most in his court, and then chief told him that of traffic officers writing traffic tickets, he wrote the fewest. The officer writing the most, by far, as in twice as many as any officer, was some guy that he had never met. As he told me, he questioned the logic of having that guy deal with trivial offenses in terms of the public image of the department, as distinquished from murders and such, where grandma and grandpa, preachers and everyone else, was running down and filing internal affairs complaints over the fact that this guy gave them a ticket about a stop sign

After that we became buds, but a couple of years ago, he caught swine flu, and before anyone really knew it, he had died. Some number of years ago, the officer that was the leader in writing tickets where nobody fussed, stopped a guy for running a stop sign, and was shot dead as he approached the car by a guy previously convicted of murdering his parents and then jumping parole from Minnesota. Sort of puts things in perspective.....

As to Scott Speed, looked over in the IRL section where the thread is about Speed, and Starter and somebody were at it over whatever.....but as some know, scottie was my hero, but when I saw him a couple or years ago, he did not give me the time of day, hadesfire, he did not even say hello!!!! :dozey:

Anyone bother to read all this?

[Daniel]

Nope :D

[inimitablestoo]

I skim-read it. All I managed to ascertain was that Pino had better watch out because he knows someone who might end up shooting him :uhoh:

[Garry Walker]

I dont post for a little while and miss all the fun again. What a shame, what a shame.

[Drew]

Baniel is finally banned?

Well done the mods! :up:

:devil:

[Retro Formula 1]

None gets banned without a warning trust me, and I don't recall anyone got unpunished for calling another member idiot...except for the few times where so many members were involved in fights and decided to close an eye insted of banning a dozen of members at once.

Hi Pino

I don't mind getting banned for calling that member an idiot but I didn't think I had called him an idiot. I merely stated that in my opinion he was an idiot but opinion is rather subjective and I will try to avoid expressing my opinion on said member and implying he is an idiot in the future, no matter what my personal opinion is.

BTW, I don't think I was warned at any time about this but fully accept the ban as I should know better after reading the rules :)

I do hope that by clarifying the situation I have not landed myself in further hot water ;)

Now, what's been happening in the past couple of weeks. Has there been any racing?

[pino]

Hi Pino

I don't mind getting banned for calling that member an idiot but I didn't think I had called him an idiot. I merely stated that in my opinion he was an idiot but opinion is rather subjective and I will try to avoid expressing my opinion on said member and implying he is an idiot in the future, no matter what my personal opinion is.

BTW, I don't think I was warned at any time about this but fully accept the ban as I should know better after reading the rules :)

I do hope that by clarifying the situation I have not landed myself in further hot water ;)

Now, what's been happening in the past couple of weeks. Has there been any racing?

What you've posted it was a personal comment and an insult at the same time, and that's not allowed on F1 Forum. And yes you were warned...check your Pm's once again :)

[Retro Formula 1]

What you've posted it was a personal comment

Totally agree.


and an insult at the same time,

Don't agree at all. Personally, I thought it was a compliment when used in relation to the member. Be honest Pino. do you really think the term I used was innacurate? ;)


and that's not allowed on F1 Forum.

Fair nuff :)


And yes you were warned...check your Pm's once again :)

May be a oversight on my part but still cannot see a PM. Not to worry though. I may have erased it by mistake. :D

[inimitablestoo]

What you've posted it was a personal comment and an insult at the same time, and that's not allowed on F1 Forum.
On the Touring Car, GT, Indycar forums on the other hand... go nuts ;)

[Jag_Warrior]

Is Daniel not getting out of Ban Jail until the F1 season is over? :confused:

[pino]

He might be back before last race in Abu Dhabi...

[pino]

...Today ;)

[Jag_Warrior]

Welcome back, Daniel! :up:

[donKey jote]

the question is, I suppose, after all that time out in the desert...
how will he deal with his sandy bott issue ? :dozey: