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Mark in Oshawa
27th May 2010, 19:14
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=3075851

From Today's National Post in Toronto:

Summits are useless, expensive and potentially dangerous anachronisms.

Let's take the G20 summit, which will be held June 26-27 in Toronto. No one from the general public will be meeting with the world leaders--summits are not for mingling. So why are the leaders gathering in the middle of Canada's most populous city when the very idea of interacting with any of the city's population is absolutely impossible?

Once inside the summit venue the leaders -- and their insanely bloated retinues --will be almost antiseptically sealed off from every other bit of Toronto. It's all fortified meeting rooms and security-proofed hotels for them. Effectively, they will come to Toronto, stay behind a shield of impassable security and talk to leaders they've already met. It makes zero sense.

There's another objection. In older, less cynical days the leaders of the world enjoyed some genuine prestige. There was a sense that a city was receiving "an honour" when the leaders from other countries visited. Not now. In a world rocked by recession, terrorism and the threat of terrorism, there is not only no thrill to leaders visiting, in some cases there is palpable resentment.

World leaders are neither revered nor even, in most cases, seen as very interesting. Why do you think these summits so frequently drag in poor tired old Bono? To get a little second-hand celebrity sauce for an otherwise very flat meal.

Finally, from Seattle to Quebec City to Toronto next month, who really "owns" these summits? With the leaders invisible under their security blankets, the summits belong to the protesters.

Summits are the high holy days, the carnival of ritual protest and vacuous street theatre. You can't hold a "global" anything these days, even a joyful event like the Olympics, without the tired kabuki of protest groups jamming the streets, shouting their impenetrable litany of anti-everything. They're always acccompanied, of course, by the usual band of black-masked pseudo-anarchists allergic to Starbucks and thirsty for the two-day fame a little provocation or a lot of violence can bring them.

Finally, I know we're in the age of large numbers, but can anyone seriously rationalize spending close to a billion dollars to hold a pair of meetings?

This one consideration in itself is obscene. Face time, as the ugly phrase has it, is valuable, but it's not worth a billion dollars, nor a fraction of it, in the middle of a recession.

Meet in the White House, or in a resort, or at Al Gore's house (if space is a consideration) -- anywhere but in a 21st-century downtown of a modern city, where security suffocates the meeting, and protesters are given the most expensive magnifying glass the world has even known.

- This is a transcript of Rex Murphy's Point of View commentary from yesterday's broadcast of The National on CBC Television. Readers can watch Mr. Murphy's commentary at cbc.ca/thenational.He is also host of CBC Radio's Cross Country Checkup.

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=3075851#ixzz0p9ctzgdF

Mark in Oshawa
27th May 2010, 19:16
I posted this one because it will cost damn near a Billion dollars to host this thing. Haven't these guys heard of Skype or something like that???

I realize there is WAY more to it than we likely know, but 90% of the meetings is signing off on what the minions below them already discussed. Just is a big chance for the unruly protesters that believe in things that Eki loves to toss tear gas and break stuff...

AAReagles
28th May 2010, 18:02
I posted this one because it will cost damn near a Billion dollars to host this thing. Haven't these guys heard of Skype or something like that???

I realize there is WAY more to it than we likely know, but 90% of the meetings is signing off on what the minions below them already discussed. Just is a big chance for the unruly protesters that believe in things that Eki loves to toss tear gas and break stuff...


Well, now that you mentioned it, I’d probably be reeeal tempted to be closed-ranks with Eki on such an occasion… figuratively speaking of course. ;) :bomb:

Not one for anarchy, but considering how I have a Manichaean (aka dualistic) view of the world, I can’t say that I have any high regard for executive statesmen that engage in such ‘productive’ arrangements funded by tax-payer-extortion-allotment funds. Oops, there I go again. Ah well…

That’s a good point you make about Skype/video-conferencing; particularly since the quintessential wisdom of the powers-that-be keep pushing for reduction of pollutants along with selling the ideas of mass transit. But hey! Here’s an idea! How about regulating the acquisition of non-renewable resources? Oh that’s right, we had that once in the Gulf of Mexico. :mad: :blackeye:

Mark in Oshawa
28th May 2010, 23:55
Well, now that you mentioned it, I’d probably be reeeal tempted to be closed-ranks with Eki on such an occasion… figuratively speaking of course. ;) :bomb:

Not one for anarchy, but considering how I have a Manichaean (aka dualistic) view of the world, I can’t say that I have any high regard for executive statesmen that engage in such ‘productive’ arrangements funded by tax-payer-extortion-allotment funds. Oops, there I go again. Ah well…

That’s a good point you make about Skype/video-conferencing; particularly since the quintessential wisdom of the powers-that-be keep pushing for reduction of pollutants along with selling the ideas of mass transit. But hey! Here’s an idea! How about regulating the acquisition of non-renewable resources? Oh that’s right, we had that once in the Gulf of Mexico. :mad: :blackeye:


What is happening in the Gulf Of Mexico is just exposing once again the fecklessness of depending on the government to act when the situation requires when said government is run by people who are too busy trying to regulate, run and legislate every act of human behaviour.....

No, many of the people at this shindig will have no problem lecturing us about greenhouse gases, but it is do as I say, not as I do. It is but one reason I refuse to listen to their crap on global warming and why I have no time for the Al Gore's of this world....

Easy Drifter
29th May 2010, 06:08
Now now Mark. If the Goverments (plural) did not go and waste, oops I mean spend all this money for a few photo ops they would just go and totally waste it on useless things like health care or old age pensions, maybe even do absolutely silly things like ensuring our First Nations People have safe water.
Possibly those expensive sound cannons the Toronto Police bought can drive the rats out of the City of Toronto housing complexes (or Socialist Silly Hall).

Mark in Oshawa
29th May 2010, 06:39
Now now Mark. If the Goverments (plural) did not go and waste, oops I mean spend all this money for a few photo ops they would just go and totally waste it on useless things like health care or old age pensions, maybe even do absolutely silly things like ensuring our First Nations People have safe water.
Possibly those expensive sound cannons the Toronto Police bought can drive the rats out of the City of Toronto housing complexes (or Socialist Silly Hall).

I would pay money to see Mayor Miller used in a demonstration of this sound cannon. That pompous @ss needs a good beating...

AAReagles
29th May 2010, 20:28
... No, many of the people at this shindig will have no problem lecturing us about greenhouse gases, but it is do as I say, not as I do. It is but one reason I refuse to listen to their crap on global warming and why I have no time for the Al Gore's of this world....

Me neither. Nor the self-proclaimed 'Independent', Bill Maher types who endorse such fake, phony & frauds.

Mark in Oshawa
1st June 2010, 14:06
Me neither. Nor the self-proclaimed 'Independent', Bill Maher types who endorse such fake, phony & frauds.

Bill Maher is a comedian...one that isn't very funny actually....

Like Jon Stewart, he just thinks he is edgy, smart and hip.....but unlike Stewart, he isn't even funny. At least Stewart at times is funny...

AAReagles
4th June 2010, 21:20
Bill Maher is a comedian...one that isn't very funny actually....

That's just it, he's an unimpressive comedian, except for Left-wingers. Sometimes (when I do watch him) I wonder if he being deliberate not to be funny, just to get out his agenda.

He was on a guest panel for ABC's This Week, some time ago, but I didn't bother watching it then.

Mark in Oshawa
4th June 2010, 22:59
That's just it, he's an unimpressive comedian, except for Left-wingers. Sometimes (when I do watch him) I wonder if he being deliberate not to be funny, just to get out his agenda.

He was on a guest panel for ABC's This Week, some time ago, but I didn't bother watching it then.

He was ok when his show Politically Incorrect first aired. I used to watch, and he stayed neutral, and he often played devils advocate to both sides, and often had a good line or two. Then the show got noticed, and all the sudden, he went political and dropped any pretence of neutrality. The guests he had on who defended the right with style and wit often were not asked back, and he would get hacks instead. In short, he let his inner jerk loose.....and killed the show when he went off on blaming America for 9/11

He, and Jon Stewart seem to be the standard bearers for the left's sense of comedy and satire, and they both just have no real gravitas. Good Satire skewers everyone....and in Canada, I used to tune in the "Royal Canadian Air Farce" and still tune into the "The Rick Mercer Report" because there are times when I would NEVER guess the political leanings of the sketch artists or Mr. Mercer. THAT is the key to good satire.

fandango
5th June 2010, 16:49
It's simplistic to say it, but there is a clear irony in how much security and protection the leaders of the free world need.

Mark in Oshawa
5th June 2010, 18:35
It's simplistic to say it, but there is a clear irony in how much security and protection the leaders of the free world need.
Every loon that says the governments don't do enough for the poor then show up at these things to riot and create issues, which of course means the hosts pour money into more cops and gear to stop them.

Irony? you bet....
Still dont know why Canada is going to blow close to a Billion bucks for this and the G8

Easy Drifter
5th June 2010, 18:59
The G20 Security is completely fouling up downtown Toronto. The Blue Jays have moved a game to Philly. Via Rail (Canada's Amtrac) are using stations outside of Toronto with one exception but none are using Union Station the normal station. 2 plays have cancelled performances for the week. I don't know what GO trains are going to do as they pour hundreds of thousands out of Union Station every work day. People who live downtown, and there are thousands in huge condos, need passes and will be searched every time they come home.
Apparently some stock brokerage companies have rented space in the suburbs and are setting up temp offices.
The Hotel Employees Union are in a labour dispute with the hotels and are in a strike position. They plan to strike the main G20 Hotel!