Geko Ypres Rally

[dimviii]

Tom there are 4 crews out of ss3, see results

[hari]

Loix in the lead after SS3!

[Barreis]

Proton is slow..

[RS]

Proton is slow..

I think this will be one of their worst rallies because their suspension is probably not as sophisticated as the others which is bad for ditch hooking. Also the entry list is so strong here. If they can get to the end and learn a lot about the car and maybe score one or two points that will be a good result.

[Tom206wrc]

Bruyneel in SS3 :confused:

[BVB Rallying]

And again a superb time for Van den Heuvel with the Evo X on SS 3 :)

[Sulland]

Has Cave retired for the weekend ?

[dimviii]

And again a superb time for Van den Heuvel with the Evo X on SS 3 :)

really good times.

any news about Kajetan? :confused:

[noel157]

Has Cave retired for the weekend ?

Don't think so, he went wide and landed in a field, on the way back to the stage fell in a ditch (same as Dudu last year) and lost 6 mins, still in rally as far as I know.

[PetrWRC]

any news about Kajetan? :confused:
Kajetan Kajetanowicz (18) retired after SS 1 with mechanical problems.

[dimviii]

Thanks Petr!
pitty as i d like to see him outside his country with some good locals (ie Hauvel)

[saxter]

Geia sou ki apo edw re Saxter!!!
This time Eurosport doesn't broadcast any stages live. :(
You can follow the results of the rally: http://irc-results.com/2010/irc/ypres/2irc.php

bouno me bouno den smigei..


i know already the link about the live results.I just asked if we had any link for watching but its ok.

anyway thanks...

[Hipo1990]

Now is live something
http://www.rtbf.be/chatbox/2010-sport/rtbf-chatbox.php?type=video-stream1&skin=default&imu=none&id_coverit=4a90cb9f4a&start=2010,05,25,13,30&end=2010,05,25,23,00&competition=00&preroll=0&TB_iframe=true&height=518&width=919

[Luis Pacheco]

Is working now! :)

[dimviii]

thanks Hipo :)

[Sulland]

Princen is doing well on home soil in 2wd so far

Has ss4 started now ?

[tolis]

thanks Hipo :)
Does the link work for you?

[pettersolberg29]

Hanninen in trouble maybe?

[ZequeArgentina]

Yes to both.

Princen is doing so well that he is in Atkinsons heels, and well before Allister´s Proton.

Also Abring and Camapana are doing goodtimes with the Clios.

[Sulland]

Meeke saying that it is a lot more slippery, I guess a lot of gravel has been put on the road by cutting corners. Or has it rained ?

[pettersolberg29]

Gravel on road. Hanninen and Atko out.

[RS]

Gravel on road. Hanninen and Atko out.

Shame :( They are both interesting to follow.

[Wim_Impreza]

Meeke saying that it is a lot more slippery, I guess a lot of gravel has been put on the road by cutting corners. Or has it rained ?

It didn't rain in Belgium this month, not where I live. It is very hot and sunny in whole Belgium.

[Sulland]

Snijers over a minute behind on the split.

[Sulland]

It didn't rain in Belgium this month, not where I live. It is very hot and sunny in whole Belgium.

So a nice spring in Belgium this year as well. Was like that for 3 of my 4 years in Mons !

Belgians doing well, 4 among top 8 !
Neuville is impressive, and a big talent !

2.5 of 3 Protons out by ss4, they have potential to improve.....

[Francis44]

Damn Protons are out, atleast Atkinson, it's a shame to have such talented drivers in a not so top performance car.

[Tom206wrc]

Snijers over a minute behind on the split.


Mistake from split times :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Damn Protons are out, atleast Atkinson, it's a shame to have such talented drivers in a not so top performance car.


Engine trouble for McRae :s

[Sulland]

Engine trouble for McRae :s

Was it engine for Atko as well !

[Wim_Impreza]

So a nice spring in Belgium this year as well. Was like that for 3 of my 4 years in Mons !

Belgians doing well, 4 among top 8 !
Neuville is impressive, and a big talent !

2.5 of 3 Protons out by ss4, they have potential to improve.....

It is so dry that I expect more punctures and also crashes as there is a lot of dust on and just beside the roads. There are now even 5 Belgians in the top 8, I didn't expect that. I hope that Neuville can stay on the road.

At least the Proton's have good drivers, but Alister McRae just said before the rally that they don't have enough budget to develope the car fast.

[RS]

Damn Protons are out, atleast Atkinson, it's a shame to have such talented drivers in a not so top performance car.

On the other hand just taking pay drivers would be a mistake, especially when the car is not top notch.

I'm sure Proton can and will improve. The entry was weak on Scotland last year but some of McRae's times were still impressive.

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville is doing really good fast times !!! :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

By the way no McRae in the short SS5 :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

And no Cave anymore :confused:

Disaster for Proton in term of reliability :s

[Tom206wrc]

Antonin Tlustàk in SS5 :confused:

[Sulland]

Did Debackere not start ?

Burcu is not finding her hot spot i Belgium, so far - not exactly flying !

[PetrWRC]

Antonin Tlustàk in SS5 :confused:
Pluto sent me a message that retired ... propably gearbox problem ...

[Wasted Talent]

Did Debackere not start ?

Burcu is not finding her hot spot i Belgium, so far - not exactly flying !

Yes, Melissa started but on retirement list - no reason yet.

I want to help Burcu find her hot spot ;) ;) ;)

WT

[Allyc85]

Dan Barry now out in his group N Evo, I cant believe how much bad luck the lads are having this year :(

[Tom206wrc]

So end of leg one, and 5.8" between Fast Freddy and Meeke :cool:

[dimviii]

Does the link work for you?

Sorry Tolis i was away of my computer and didn t see your question.


Impressive so far is Neuville and Loix for a one off in the ''new'' skoda.
I was expecting more from Snijers and Mikkelsen.Ok he is on hankook but don t think they are 2 sec/km slower than Bf.If they are so slow he is not going to show something good also on next asphalt rallies.
Proton has spent money to drivers,but not enough money for development?Something not going well there.
Burcu is totaly lost.Pitty that there are other turkish drivers that could do a lot better.
Also impessive is Meeke for being fast in every surface/rally.
Kopecky must be the driver with most progress this year.

Lets hope to see a good battle morow till the last stage. :)

[Barreis]

I want to help Burcu find her hot spot ;) ;) ;)

WT

Maybe it should be something about punctures.. xd

[Sulland]

Proton has spent money to drivers,but not enough money for development?Something not going well there.


Proton need to pay up, MEM need recourses to develop the nice car further, or they have to insource a good tuning firm to help them, but Proton need to see the potential they have here !

[Sulland]

I think the day for Mikkelsen has gone as planned. Start the rally well inside the limits, and get to know the car and tyres.

Maybe he will try to push a bit harder tomorrow. Hankook seems to function very well, but he is saying on his page that they will have a new improved asphalt tyre for the next rally.

Hankook means business with this relationship, and this quick interactive development process must be fun to be a part of !

[Allar]

Totaly agree with u Sulland.
Proton need to payup, they have potential.

[Kurt L.]

My photos from today's stages

http://foto.zita.be/5624994936

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, Melissa started but on retirement list - no reason yet.

Melissa retired in SS1, engine.

Kris Princen retired in SS4, alternator.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_meeke__nagle_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_13b935822 0.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_magalhaes__magalhaes_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_5 47dd2245a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_atmosfera_b0fe0ef432.jpg

More photos from 1st leg from Koen HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=735&fseason=2010) ;)

[mousti]

Melissa retired in SS1, engine.

Kris Princen retired in SS4, alternator.
Before SS4 he never passed by us on the TC of Hollebeke weird it happened just after they came from service :s hopefully tomorrow back with a new alternator in it :)

[Luis Pacheco]

Seeing images from the stages I think the farmers in Ypres should not really like to see spectators to step on cultivated land. :D

[wwbroe]

Will Juho Hanninen restart today?

[rp]

Will Juho Hanninen restart today?

No...

[tolis]

Meeke out!!!

[Sulland]

Always hard to defend the crown !

[wwbroe]

Tsjoen also went off on first stage of the day, also Van den Heuvel is out. :(

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_Cerny__kohout_%28renault_clio_r3%29_015f9caa75 .jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_van_eldik__buysmans_%28Skoda_fabia_s2000%29_50 92d4b0be.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_meeke__nagle_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_ea76d5368 1.jpg

More photos from 1st leg from Roy HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=736&fseason=2010) ;)

[6789]

Meeke out!!!
Was it mechanical? Or driver error?

iRally was reporting all 3 Protons had the same valve spring failure on cyclinder number 2

[PetrWRC]

Was it mechanical? Or driver error?
Kris Meeke (1) went off and rolled the car.

[pettersolberg29]

Why is Burcu so...poor? She's losing to Fiesta R2s and Clios. She is far and away the slowest S2000 driver - how can it be economically viable to sponsor her?

[RS]

Why is Burcu so...poor? She's losing to Fiesta R2s and Clios. She is far and away the slowest S2000 driver - how can it be economically viable to sponsor her?

Because she gets much more publicity than those Clio and Fiesta drivers and more than some of the other S2000s too....

Meeke's off is not surprising. It's pretty clear he is having to push beyond the limits of his car now. His only saving grace is that Hanninen went off too.

[RJM]

I think meeke is over driving the Peugeot, it just doesnt seem to have speed compared to last year, and that's why he's the one making the mistakes, I think the title is juho's this year.

[RS]

I think meeke is over driving the Peugeot, it just doesnt seem to have speed compared to last year, and that's why he's the one making the mistakes, I think the title is juho's this year.

For sure the Peugeot got faster, but the Fabia did more so...

I still think the title could be Meeke's, Hanninen's or Kopecky's.

[pettersolberg29]

Because she gets much more publicity than those Clio and Fiesta drivers and more than some of the other S2000s too.....

I'm sure she does, but unless she improves massively, surely sponsors will leave her. If she comes about 30th in IRC events in a S2000 car then she may as well move down a peg and drive a Fiesta or something where she may be more competitive. She never has any chance of points - must be demoralising when she evaluates her aims for the event. It is always just to 'finish and get more experience'. Experience is no good if you have no pace.

[Francis44]

Meeke now was to win some events, if not all, to be champion. It's rumoured that before Açores he and Bruno Magalhães will participate in Rally Marítimo to prepare Vinho Madeira, and I think that's a good choice since the Skoda's will have no chance in their first time there, Meeke's biggest opponents in Madeira will be locals and some others drivers who know the event, so if he manages to stay on the road he will probably win.
Now in the rest of the events it's different talk, I dont see him winning in Barum for example.

[cut the b.s.]

Why is Burcu so...poor? She's losing to Fiesta R2s and Clios. She is far and away the slowest S2000 driver - how can it be economically viable to sponsor her?

that you even mention her shows why she is worth backing, a man in that car and we wouldnt even comment! She gets more coverage than all but the very top drivers in IRC, and its not hard to understand why! ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I don't agrre that Skoda drivers don't have chance to win in Madeira..

Kopecky is really good driver and he should be the IRC driver with more rhythm... don't forget he is always competing with great oponents... IRC and CIR..


He won in Italy last week against drivers that knows the satages very well... so.. it wouldn't be a suprise seeing Kocpeky winning in Madeira..

Remember Basso, and Kremer in Madeira for their first time... especially Basso... ;)

Haaa.. and local boys don't have any chance this year...

[pettersolberg29]

Delay in SS11 due to the Mayor's intervention! Casier and Mikkelsen haven't started yet!

edit: SS11 cancelled due to spectator numbers

[Francis44]

]I don't agrre that Skoda drivers don't have chance to win in Madeira..

Kopecky is really good driver and he should be the IRC driver with more rhythm... don't forget he is always competing with great oponents... IRC and CIR..


He won in Italy last week against drivers that knows the satages very well... so.. it wouldn't be a suprise seeing Kocpeky winning in Madeira..

Remember Basso, and Kremer in Madeira for their first time... especially Basso... ;)

Well let's wait and see, what I really want is Bruno winning, and with some more competition this year he might be able to do it.

[dimviii]

Pitty for the championship and Ypres about Meeke.
Arai must be on problems at ss10.

[mousti]

Dikkebus cancelled! Fans were staying on no public zone! Mayor has made decisioon no rallying here! Idiots of fans!

[dimviii]

Arai retired.Broken suspension arm.

[RS]

It is always just to 'finish and get more experience'. Experience is no good if you have no pace.

You obviously haven't been to the 'Matthew Wilson School of Driver Development' ;)

[pettersolberg29]

You obviously haven't been to the 'Matthew Wilson School of Driver Development' ;)

;)

Wilson may be slow, but compared to Burcu he is a superstar! He can at least drive for points and for top 10 stage times. Burcu drives for top 30 stage times!

[RS]

Kopecky could do well on Madeira, but I would love to see Vouilloz there in a third Skoda and Basso in a Punto too.

One little thing about Ypres; I just watched the day one review programme from Eurosport last night and it was really good. Great footage and they used the two commentators they use for the live stages for the first time on a "non live" stage programme and it worked very well. I hope they do it on every event from now on.

[RS]

;)

Wilson may be slow, but compared to Burcu he is a superstar! He can at least drive for points and for top 10 stage times. Burcu drives for top 30 stage times!

Didn't she finish about 12th on WRC Rally Turkey? :D

I do know what you are saying, and I doubt she will ever be considered fast. On the other hand she has very little experience in a 4 wheel drive car, so maybe she will get a bit better...

[pettersolberg29]

Didn't she finish about 12th on WRC Rally Turkey? :D

I do know what you are saying, and I doubt she will ever be considered fast. On the other hand she has very little experience in a 4 wheel drive car, so maybe she will get a bit better...

I'm not certain about Turkey (but I doubt she got as high as 12th ;) )

It would be good if she could speed up to the level of someone like Magalhaes or Solowow i.e. not necessarily winning IRC events, but at least up there in the points.

[Francis44]

HAHA Proton can't get their stuff lol. The local garage where they stuffed equippment was closed and the owner went to see the rally.

Im sorry for them but this is quite funny.

[RS]

I'm not certain about Turkey (but I doubt she got as high as 12th ;) )

It would be good if she could speed up to the level of someone like Magalhaes or Solowow i.e. not necessarily winning IRC events, but at least up there in the points.

I just checked, actually it was bang on 12th!

I guess she doesn't have so much experience on tarmac, maybe she will do better in Azores. It's a pity really because it is good for the championship to have a woman driver and I love the livery on her car.

[urabus-denoS2000]

She will never be on the pace of Solowow. Michal Solowow is a very fast and consistant gentleman driver and I don't see why he deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence as Burcu Cetinkaya ;)

[N.O.T]

why we get crazy results after stage 12 ??

[Francis44]

why we get crazy results after stage 12 ??

It's the internet, we can never trust on it.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

;)

Wilson may be slow, but compared to Burcu he is a superstar! He can at least drive for points and for top 10 stage times. Burcu drives for top 30 stage times!

don't forget IRC have much more competition than in any WRC event... much more quality drivers!

But I agree with you saying that Burçu is a total failure... :s mokin:

[noel157]

I'm not certain about Turkey (but I doubt she got as high as 12th ;) )

It would be good if she could speed up to the level of someone like Magalhaes or Solowow i.e. not necessarily winning IRC events, but at least up there in the points.

Finished 12th and got the Abu Dhabi award.

[Barreis]

And on gravel..

[pettersolberg29]

I just checked, actually it was bang on 12th!

I guess she doesn't have so much experience on tarmac, maybe she will do better in Azores. It's a pity really because it is good for the championship to have a woman driver and I love the livery on her car.

Really - I have to admit surprise. Her Sardinia pace was poor too so I assumed that gravel and tarmac were equally difficult for her. I agree wholeheartedly that a good woman driver would be great for rallying (and especially for Colin Clark at stage ends!)


She will never be on the pace of Solowow. Michal Solowow is a very fast and consistant gentleman driver and I don't see why he deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence as Burcu Cetinkaya ;)

I didn't mean to offend Solowow - he is a good national driver, but when it comes to the IRC he is not a top contender in my view.


]don't forget IRC have much more competition than in any WRC event... much more quality drivers!

But I agree with you saying that Burçu is a total failure... :s mokin:

The IRC competition is a factor I suppose - there are always a good number of local drivers who enter one or two events a year and have great experience of 'their' local roads.

[dimviii]

12th is good when you have some good drivers/cars behind......

[[Madeira-Rally]]

12th is good when you have some good drivers/cars behind......

Some WRC events... JWRC, SWRC and PWRC is much more about surviving to the difficult conditions than being fast :s mokin:

[dimviii]

]Some WRC events... JWRC, SWRC and PWRC is much more about surviving to the difficult conditions than being fast :s mokin:
Yes but at our subject almost all pwrc+jwrc+r3 are in front of a s2000 with BIG budget even at gravel. :dozey:

[noel157]

Meeke crash onboard (recorded from screen):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzgPyMlTCM

Chopper view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GRW5tpQRlE

Should all be on Eurosport tonight.

[dimviii]

seems to be wrong pacenotes.Pitty as the rally is over,as all positions with big gaps :(

[Luis Pacheco]

Big moment with Loix and a security bike at stage 15!

[RS]

Magalhaes has picked up the pace now, good stuff.

It is a shame when the entry lists of some of these events have such great potential and then people crash out early (Meeke, Hanninen, Sarrazin here and Ogier, Wilks in Sardinia)

[Pinto]

i hear van dalen is blaming the notes to save his own backside,we have to admit hes done a poor job with the 207 this year,and kris has to overdrive the thing

i would not blame nagle for this one

[Wittmanello]

i hear van dalen is blaming the notes to save his own backside,we have to admit hes done a poor job with the 207 this year,and kris has to overdrive the thing

i would not blame nagle for this one

If someone blames the notes it does not always mean the co-driver made a mistake!

[RS]

i hear van dalen is blaming the notes to save his own backside,we have to admit hes done a poor job with the 207 this year,and kris has to overdrive the thing

i would not blame nagle for this one

I don't think developing the 207 is really Van Dalen's responsibility, more Peugeot Sport.

[dimviii]

If someone blames the notes it does not always mean the co-driver made a mistake!
+1
it was obvious that Meeke went to fast into the right corner.

[noel157]

i hear van dalen is blaming the notes to save his own backside,we have to admit hes done a poor job with the 207 this year,and kris has to overdrive the thing

i would not blame nagle for this one

All van Dalen can do, and has done, is make the car run as best as he can with what he has been given from Peugeot Sport.
Four years old it may be but I imagine there is a degree of frustration within the team that the 207 is being left behind in the development stakes compared to Skoda.

[bluuford]

If someone blames the notes it does not always mean the co-driver made a mistake!

I think the onlyone whom we can blame is the Qensel. As far as I know they got a few updates for Ypres but not too many.

[Barreis]

They made mistake and game over.. That's it..

[RS]

I would love to know what Meeke could do in the Skoda, as I still think he is the fastest overall driver in IRC.

The Skoda seems to be ahead almost everywhere now except really smooth flowing tarmac events like Canarias.. but it's only a little bit. Last year Meeke and Loix battled for the lead, both in 207s... this year Loix moved to Skoda but the battle was the same (just maybe Meeke is having to push harder than last year in order to do that)

[Sulland]

that you even mention her shows why she is worth backing, a man in that car and we wouldnt even comment! She gets more coverage than all but the very top drivers in IRC, and its not hard to understand why! ;)

Danica Patrick effect, but so far the US girl is a faster driver. But give Burcu some time, and she will improve. She has not that many rallies on this level, and Ypres is a difficult one as well !

[fmcv]

There are some rumours that state the 207's (Meeke and Magalhães) will have motor evolutions for the Azores

[urabus-denoS2000]

That is a simple lack of natural talent , she will not get considerably better. Lack of experience means nothing , look at Neuville. He has driven small cars like her until 2010 (Ypres 2009 is an exception). He has limited S2000 experience just like Burcu and look at them: Neuville is 3rd and Cetinkaya was 26th when she retired. I saw her at Rally All Stars and she is very bad

[Sulland]

That is a simple lack of natural talent , she will not get considerably better. Lack of experience means nothing , look at Neuville. He has driven small cars like her until 2010 (Ypres 2009 is an exception). He has limited S2000 experience just like Burcu and look at them: Neuville is 3rd and Cetinkaya was 26th when she retired. I saw her at Rally All Stars and she is very bad

Maybe Gronholm should train her as he does with others, I miss having more girls in rally.
No reason in motorsport that they should be worse than the men !
One of the few sports it is equal, and muscle has little or nothing to do with the result !

[urabus-denoS2000]

I did't say anything with Burcu being a female , I just pointed out that she is a very bad driver ;)

[RS]

Maybe Gronholm should train her as he does with others, I miss having more girls in rally.
No reason in motorsport that they should be worse than the men !
One of the few sports it is equal, and muscle has little or nothing to do with the result !

Burcu has done quite a lot of training in the 207 with Ogier already.

[RS]

Congratulations Freddy on a great drive! Looking forward to seeing him on further IRC rounds now. I wonder if he might get a promotion to the works team again for Madeira?

5 different winners in 6 events now, although one car won the last 4 :)

[Sulland]

Fast Freddy :beer: have a Leffe Blond on me !

[muscrae]

I heard that Burcu had a terrible crash, but the crew is ok. Any news & photos?

[dimviii]

Fantastic job from all the skoda team.Like to see Loix also in next rounds.

Solowow:We drove behind Betti for 20 kilometers a he did not let us go in front! And then we got a puncture, because we did not see a road in his dust." :vader:

[dimviii]

Snijers retired at last ss due to engine failure :eek:

[Wim_Impreza]

Stéphane Lhonnay, only third in Group N before the final stage, wins in Group N. Mathias Viane had a puncture in the last special stage and Alexandre Romain lost time too.

[bluuford]

well, Skoda has theoretical chance to secure manufacturer title in Madeira. That is four rounds before the end of season! If they will get 18 points in Acores then no mater in which positions Peugeots are they are only 1 point from the title (that means Peugeot should should be first and second in every remaining round).

By the way our JWRC driver Kruuda reached to the finish (6th in 2WD class) without any major mistakes and looks like the other Estonian, Kangur retired (was holding 4th place in IRC 2WD class) on the second last stage (it was their first ever tarmac rally).

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_magalhaes__magalhaes_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_b 78840fe5b.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_loix__miclotte_%28Skoda_fabia_s2000%29_0b975e6 aea.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_oleksowicz__obrebowski_%28ford_fiesta_s2000%29 _2169dc4b53.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/735/735_neuville__klinger_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_4fc5 87bad2.jpg

More photos from 2nd stage from Koen HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=735&fseason=2010) ;)

[Jafry]

Video from Kris Meeke crash HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=9426) ;)

[Luis Pacheco]

I heard that Burcu had a terrible crash, but the crew is ok. Any news & photos?

She also crash badly with a Fiesta ST last year or two years ago?

[RS]

What happened to the tv programme last night? Grrr. It's supposed to be on again this morning and then the magazine programme this evening so I will try again!

Some positives and negatives of this rally for me:

+ Great performance of Freddy Loix and the new Evo Skoda
+ Thierry Neuville maturing (last year he was perhaps faster but crashed)
+ Competitive entry with guys at the front pushing very very hard
+ Eurosport TV footage I have seen so far was excellent
+ New Evo Skoda looks nicer :)

- Sarrazin and Hanninen's early crashes. Would have expected both to challenge for a podium.
- Proton's engine failures. Would have bee nice to see one of them sneak into the top 10 at the end.
- Mikkelsen's pace a bit disappointing. Very hard to say though how much was him, how much was the car and how much the tyres.

[noel157]

........................

[noel157]

Peugeot UK Day 2 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwlFk0Js5HE

[VFTS]

What happened to the tv programme last night? Grrr. It's supposed to be on again this morning and then the magazine programme this evening so I will try again!

Some positives and negatives of this rally for me:

+ Great performance of Freddy Loix and the new Evo Skoda
+ Thierry Neuville maturing (last year he was perhaps faster but crashed)
+ Competitive entry with guys at the front pushing very very hard
+ Eurosport TV footage I have seen so far was excellent
+ New Evo Skoda looks nicer :)

- Sarrazin and Hanninen's early crashes. Would have expected both to challenge for a podium.
- Proton's engine failures. Would have bee nice to see one of them sneak into the top 10 at the end.
- Mikkelsen's pace a bit disappointing. Very hard to say though how much was him, how much was the car and how much the tyres.

I dont find Mikkelsen pace diappointing at all.
-Its his first event on tarmac since Costa Brava last year.
-He has never driven Ypres before which is important if you shall fight in top three.
-Local knowledge is important(It was three belgians in the top 4)
-He has never driven the Fiesta on Tarmac
-Its Hankooks first tarmac event with the Fiesta
-He is young, became 21 last week.

His goal before the event was a sixth place.

Everyone in his team is satisfied.

[Kurt L.]

My photos from yesterday

http://foto.zita.be/5624954789

[Sulland]

Neuville drove impressive, and will with enough money (again) reach far !

[MartijnS]

My photos are online! :)

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/Neuville%201.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/Oleksowicz%204.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/Kopecky%205.jpg

Click for more! (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/gekoypres.html)

The video will follow today ;)

[GioRallyReport]

MY VIDEO OF THE GEKO YPRES RALLY :

http://www.rallyandraces.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=810:geko-ypres-rally-2010&catid=63:2010&Itemid=121

GREAT EVENT !

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_neuville__klinger_%28peugeot_207_s2000%29_17d5 78a3f9.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_solowow__baran_%28ford_fiesta_s2000%29_e4b87c9 39f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_casier__caesemaker_%28Skoda_fabia_s2000%29_d02 8f8b226.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/736/736_loix__miclotte_%28Skoda_fabia_s2000%29_bbdf778 020.jpg

More photos from 2nd leg from Roy HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=736&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

[RS]

I dont find Mikkelsen pace diappointing at all.
-Its his first event on tarmac since Costa Brava last year.
-He has never driven Ypres before which is important if you shall fight in top three.
-Local knowledge is important(It was three belgians in the top 4)
-He has never driven the Fiesta on Tarmac
-Its Hankooks first tarmac event with the Fiesta
-He is young, became 21 last week.

His goal before the event was a sixth place.

Everyone in his team is satisfied.

The end result was good for sure, but I still find the pace disappointing. It's not that the performance was that bad, I just expected more from him...

I'm sure it will go better on gravel events.

[HaCo]

Turkisch 207:
http://www.autosportforum.be/showthread.php/2137-Foto-amp-Film-Ypres-Rally-2010?p=196952&viewfull=1#post196952

Before that happend I saw them passing on Heuveland with the rear windscreen broken and a missing rear wing.

[Wittmanello]

Turkisch 207:
http://www.autosportforum.be/showthread.php/2137-Foto-amp-Film-Ypres-Rally-2010?p=196952&viewfull=1#post196952

Before that happend I saw them passing on Heuveland with the rear windscreen broken and a missing rear wing.

That looks really bad, I hope they are ok - at least physically

[Mirek]

Just returned, great rally. Hope to go back again next year! Big thanks to our Belgian friends for guiding through very nice and really fast places :)

Kris Meeke said on local Belgian radio that he felt he had no chance with Peugeot this season. He said that he wouldn't have spoken about the speed of car if there was some Peugeot driver faster than him but there has been none so far. I think that it's quite obvious already for some time but hearing that on public means that he really is very disappointed.

By the way works Skoda were running reasonably longer gears than others, especially Ford.

[bluuford]

So, some interesting statistics for tire freaks:-)
Abbring was driving with BF Goodrich rubber in Ypres and Kruuda was using Pirelli Control tires (to test for Bulgaria). Kruuda lost 2.11 s/km during the first day, 1.17 on next 3 stages, 1.03 sek/km from stages 10-13; 1.04 sek/km on 14-19 stage and 1.78 sek/km on last three stages (seems that there was some problem on the last stage , without that he lost 0.73 sek/km. You can compare their speed in Bulgaria and see what is the difference there. We can say that Kruuda was roughly 1 sek slover per km compared to Abbring by the end of rally.

[dimviii]

So, some interesting statistics for tire freaks:-)
Abbring was driving with BF Goodrich rubber in Ypres and Kruuda was using Pirelli Control tires (to test for Bulgaria). Kruuda lost 2.11 s/km during the first day, 1.17 on next 3 stages, 1.03 sek/km from stages 10-13; 1.04 sek/km on 14-19 stage and 1.78 sek/km on last three stages (seems that there was some problem on the last stage , without that he lost 0.73 sek/km. You can compare their speed in Bulgaria and see what is the difference there. We can say that Kruuda was roughly 1 sek slover per km compared to Abbring by the end of rally.
thanks bluford :)

there is Sarrazin

http://picasaweb.google.be/T.Goudeseune/GekoYpresRally2010#5487415202996155938

[MK2 BDG]

In brief,,,had a great week ourselves, must be Ypres for a long time

Our plan was for a finish, after the last 2 attempts in the Fiesta,, so were off the pace somewhat, but the car ran well, with no problems, bar the intercom volume !! a couple of bent rims, big stall at the bales in Nieuwkerke, etc etc

The first couple of stages, had dead and bent cars all over the place, along with a fair bit of scenery damage were others had regained the road !!

If anyone has any pictures of the S1600 Fiesta, a link would be appreciated,
TIA

[VFTS]

]Just returned, great rally. Hope to go back again next year! Big thanks to our Belgian friends for guiding through very nice and really fast places :)

Kris Meeke said on local Belgian radio that he felt he had no chance with Peugeot this season. He said that he wouldn't have spoken about the speed of car if there was some Peugeot driver faster than him but there has been none so far. I think that it's quite obvious already for some time but hearing that on public means that he really is very disappointed.

By the way works Skoda were running reasonably longer gears than others, especially Ford.


The M-Sport Fiesta/Mikkelsen used a gearbox with maximum topspeed of 172. The other gearbox they could have used had a topspeed of 180-182. But they didnt change it.

[Mirek]

I'm not sure about that but I think that Skodas were using gearbox with 182-184 km/h top speed. Peugeot 175 as usual I think. On long straights before places were I was works Skodas were always last in rpm limiter compared to good drivers on other cars. Fords on the other hand were first in rpm limiter.

It was also interesting that Mikkelsen's works car had completely different soud to Fiestas of Solowow and Oleksowicz.

Also driving through deep cuts was interesting. Where Fabias and especially Fiestas had all four wheel on the ground exiting cuts, Peugeots and especially Protons were kicked in the air.

[RICARDO75]

In brief,,,had a great week ourselves, must be Ypres for a long time

Our plan was for a finish, after the last 2 attempts in the Fiesta,, so were off the pace somewhat, but the car ran well, with no problems, bar the intercom volume !! a couple of bent rims, big stall at the bales in Nieuwkerke, etc etc

The first couple of stages, had dead and bent cars all over the place, along with a fair bit of scenery damage were others had regained the road !!

If anyone has any pictures of the S1600 Fiesta, a link would be appreciated,
TIA

http://oldtimerke2.freehostia.com/2010/ypres/ (http://oldtimerke2.freehostia.com/2010/ypres/thumbs/IMG_2054.JPG)
http://oldtimerke2.freehostia.com/2010/ypres/

[ProRally]

That looks really bad, I hope they are ok - at least physically

Saw the 2 girls saturday after they got back to service park, they where ok but still shaken

Also Oliviera had big one and his co-driver has to stay in Ypres hospital at least till tuesday.

2 207S2000 with lots of damage, 3 if you also count Meeke

[Mirek]

Tsjoen's one is also very much damaged, so 4.

[ProRally]

]Tsjoen's one is also very much damaged, so 4.

No problem now as Peugeot has about 14 cars in stock with 'everybody' buying Fiesta or Fabia :D

Before you had to wait if you wanted one, now there are cars in stock.

Said before Ypres, still want to see a car beating the 207S2000 on tarmac, saw it this weekend :D Well done Skoda with the evolution.

Bad luck for Proton and now the boys are on their way to Whangarei in NZ for APRC and same engine spec there too... hopefully the big bosses of Proton who where in Ypres and where impressed, give the team some more support to get the engine right.

If Peugeot give a next evolution of the engine to Meeke and Magelhaes in Azores it could be interesting too.

[Mirek]

I heard that Protons had problems with broken valve springs. Can anyone confirm? If that's true it's quite classic problem for high-rpm engines which all teams had during development and had to solve out.

[6789]

]I heard that Protons had problems with broken valve springs. Can anyone confirm? If that's true it's quite classic problem for high-rpm engines which all teams had during development and had to solve out.
Thats what iRally was reporting

[RS]

]I heard that Protons had problems with broken valve springs. Can anyone confirm? If that's true it's quite classic problem for high-rpm engines which all teams had during development and had to solve out.

Yes, all three cars on the same cylinder on every car on the same stage. Chris Mellors said "that's precision engineering" :D

[RS]

Said before Ypres, still want to see a car beating the 207S2000 on tarmac, saw it this weekend :D Well done Skoda with the evolution.

I still think the Peugeot will be more than competitive on the smoother tarmac events to come (Madeira and Sanremo) The Skoda's big advantage seems to be when the going is rouger or there are ditches to traverse as Mirek touched on - Reiger suspension of the Ford and Skoda keeps all the wheels in contact with the ground!

[RS]

]By the way works Skoda were running reasonably longer gears than others, especially Ford.

I guess this is an advantage of the Skoda's super-torquey engine. They can maintain decent accelleration whilst having a higher top speed.

[tolis]

In brief,,,had a great week ourselves, must be Ypres for a long time

Our plan was for a finish, after the last 2 attempts in the Fiesta,, so were off the pace somewhat, but the car ran well, with no problems, bar the intercom volume !! a couple of bent rims, big stall at the bales in Nieuwkerke, etc etc

The first couple of stages, had dead and bent cars all over the place, along with a fair bit of scenery damage were others had regained the road !!

If anyone has any pictures of the S1600 Fiesta, a link would be appreciated,
TIA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobikaze/4734095764/in/set-72157624350552536/

[MartijnS]

Video of the rally!

http://i47.tinypic.com/28lt5s5.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZdAz2LlPQ&hd=1)
HD on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZdAz2LlPQ&hd=1

[Mirek]

Onboards Černý SS7 and SS8: http://www.mediasport.cz/rally-cz/onboard-irc-videa

[Mirek]

Kris and Paul before the crash. Some very very crazy moments!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVwvdeCuzDk

[Mirek]

Video from very nice places: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azJ5J-PHXbw

[Mirek]

This is insane!!!

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/irc/ypres/lk_a_163_magalhaes_2.jpg

[N.O.T]

amazing....

[6789]

Thats awesome!!

[aircologne]

some more photos

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36653703@N06/sets/72157624254353711/

[Micke_VOC]

Crazy photo with the heli...

[anto-t]

http://youtu.be/easLf87lg7o

Video of the Irish team from the weekend.

[noel157]

http://youtu.be/easLf87lg7o

Video of the Irish team from the weekend.

Hey Anto, great video. Sadly a tale woe for the boys. Hopefully get things sorted for the next outing.

[noel157]

]Kris and Paul before the crash. Some very very crazy moments!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVwvdeCuzDk

Hopefully Peugeot Sport can give Kris the upgrades he needs very soon. Great to watch. But driving on the ragged edge, well we know what can and did happen.

By the way, what exactly did the spectators say at the end of the clip?

[anto-t]

I think they were laughing as one guy who thought meeke was going to crash into him ran and slipped in cow ****...

He spend 20 minutes cleaning it off his show

[HaCo]

That pic with the heli is nuts, amazing, cool... IRC :D

[ProRally]

]This is insane!!!

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/irc/ypres/lk_a_163_magalhaes_2.jpg

Where is the 500 feet minimum height ? :D

[Raven]

Maybe it's the former army pilot looking for some emotions? :-)
I really wolud like to see the Bruno's face after seeing the chopper in mirrors :-D

[Raven]

Looks like the crashes on Ypres are all the same style, the ditches are deep and happy of every driver visiting them. So happy that the car stays there.

Sarrazin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj3rVaY72tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqLXdGJB6oc&feature=related
Tsjoen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4xXcmD_Bg&feature=related
Hanninen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anQZIRu5diU&feature=related

[Veekaa]

Pics online

http://www.rallyephotos.be/fotos2010/gallery/ypresshake/large/0048.JPG

http://www.rallyephotos.be/fotos2010/gallery/ypres/large/0029.JPG

http://www.rallyephotos.be/fotos2010/gallery/ypres/large/0039.JPG

rest here: http://www.rallyephotos.be/fotos2010/2010.html

[denjos]

My pictures of the Ypres Rally are online on www.rallyjos.be (http://www.rallyjos.be)
Amongst them are the crash of Oliveira on saturday and a warm moment for Kruuda on friday.
Hope you enjoy them.

[Mirek]

I can't enter the gallery. I tried Opera, Firefox and IE but with all the Ypres gallery never finishes loading :(

[noel157]

My pictures of the Ypres Rally are online on www.rallyjos.be (http://www.rallyjos.be)
Amongst them are the crash of Oliveira on saturday and a warm moment for Kruuda on friday.
Hope you enjoy them.

Great pictures Denjos, especially the Oliveira sequence, a good study in how not to ditch hook in Ypres.

PS - Mirek, they seem to work well in Chrome.

[Mirek]

Now it works in Opera also :)

[Mintexmemory]

My point and clicks from Ypres - Fantastic weekend and great value from the stage pass although I missed the shakedowns. 3 stages including all FIA Historics once on Friday, 4 different stages on Saturday
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157624262339775/

35mm shots at the w/e (if I have time from attending Goodwood :D )

[Juha_Koo]

Tsjoen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4xXcmD_Bg&feature=related

Wow, surprizingly hard crash. Luckily the initial hit was with a grass wall and not e.g. concrete one...

[millbrook]

My photos are online @ http://www.rallypix.tk

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7954/sizedyr303.jpg (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/sizedyr303.jpg/)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5241/sizedyr418.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/sizedyr418.jpg/)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9744/sizedyr535.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/sizedyr535.jpg/)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7356/sizedyr572.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/sizedyr572.jpg/)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4730/sizedyr632.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/sizedyr632.jpg/)

[mousti]

Wow, surprizingly hard crash. Luckily the initial hit was with a grass wall and not e.g. concrete one...
But still nobody knows what's the explanation how this crash happened :S. Suddenly the car breaks out from the rear, but why? Could be flat tyre, but Eddy Chevaillier the Co is still questioning it what it could be..

[Wittmanello]

for me it looks like the rear went sideways and he reacted with just stepping of the throttle a little bit.
With these cars going of the throttle can make the car very unstable...

[Mirek]

I heard he said that tyre exploded before the crash...

[wizaron]

Some from me

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2292/78087927.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3708/46004712.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3478/68960786.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8112/28040099.jpg

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/686/39536440.jpg

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[vespa63]

Some pictures here : http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/8486
;)

[Barreis]

Also very nice photos..

[mousti]

]I heard he said that tyre exploded before the crash...
Don't thinks otherwise Eddy wouldn't questioned that on his facebook. But probably it was a tire who was going to be flat. Don't know how u call that in good English (we call that 'leegloper').

[MarekP]

Hi. Have anyone some photo where is good to see this part. Sorry and thank you.

[mousti]

Hi. Have anyone some photo where is good to see this part. Sorry and thank you.
this ? http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/slides/Eldik%201.htmlhttp://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/slides/Eldik%201.html

[MartijnS]

Its not sharp enough to use it I think :)
If you want it bigger I can send it to you Marek.

[RS]

I must say I really like van Eldik's livery. Simple silver but really suits the Fabia:

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/gekoypres/Eldik%201.jpg

[Barreis]

But not good for sponsors except the major one..

[MartijnS]

I guess they dont pay enough then ;)

[Sulland]

http://www.rsmp.info/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/pierwsza_prezentacja_skoda_castrol_rally_team__18/pi_20100310_1478922504.jpg
http://www.rsmp.info/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/pierwsza_prezentacja_skoda_castrol_rally_team__18/pi_20100310_1689442867.jpg
I like this one !

[Barreis]

I guess they dont pay enough then ;)

Peanut's money..

[patwalsh13]

Hi. Have anyone some photo where is good to see this part. Sorry and thank you.

http://www.menmrally.nl/
http://www.menmrally.nl/2010/Ypres_Westhoek_Rallye/1024/ywrmm15.jpg
http://www.menmrally.nl/2010/Ypres_Westhoek_Rallye/1024/ywrmm5.jpg
http://www.menmrally.nl/2010/Ypres_Westhoek_Rallye/1024/ywrmm2.jpg

[Barreis]

http://www.rsmp.info/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/pierwsza_prezentacja_skoda_castrol_rally_team__18/pi_20100310_1478922504.jpg
http://www.rsmp.info/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/pierwsza_prezentacja_skoda_castrol_rally_team__18/pi_20100310_1689442867.jpg
I like this one !

Kuzaj will have to repaint the car again after destroying it this weekend..

[Veekaa]

a video from Ypres online: http://specialstages.be/video/2010/2010.html

[karlzoro]

my video of Ypres:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nI4temQdaU

I didn't put the link here already i think.... :rolleyes:

[cut the b.s.]

Veekaa and Karlzoro, 2 excellent videos, thanks for sharing

Sarrazins crash was very odd, he had caught the skid, and what was Arai up too? Veekaas video shows a great angle of them

[Mintexmemory]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157624414886714/with/4758126979/

First of my photos- Hollebeke, check for additions over the next week

[MarekP]

If you want it bigger I can send it to you Marek.

Yes, it would be great! :)
My E-mail is: rb-rally@seznam.cz

Thanks all for trying ;)

[karlzoro]

Veekaa and Karlzoro, 2 excellent videos, thanks for sharing

Sarrazins crash was very odd, he had caught the skid, and what was Arai up too? Veekaas video shows a great angle of them

thanks for your comment on my video :)

Here are some pictures from the Ypres Rally....
with some ambient pictures and some nice action pictures...

http://dmares.zenfolio.com/ypres2010

[Mintexmemory]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157624414886714/with/4758126979/

First of my photos- Hollebeke, check for additions over the next week
Finally all my 35mm shots uploaded, P-V 1, Langemark 1, Kemmelberg 2 and Heuveland 2 from day 2. Hope you like them

[Jarek Z]

Finally all my 35mm shots uploaded, P-V 1, Langemark 1, Kemmelberg 2 and Heuveland 2 from day 2. Hope you like them

Not all of your photos are sharp, but it's good to see some analog photographs in this time and age! They look so different than the usual digital camera shots. Analog photography was so much fun back in the day! :up:

[Mintexmemory]

Not all of your photos are sharp, but it's good to see some analog photographs in this time and age! They look so different than the usual digital camera shots. Analog photography was so much fun back in the day! :up:

Thanks, I'm still getting used to lens selection with the 135 and 200 zooms and no auto focus, hence the fuzzy feel on some shots. I was using 800 film hence the grainy look in the low light photos, I was very pleased with some of the results but didn't erase the 'less than perfects' as they still have a reportage value.

[MartijnS]

Yes, it would be great! :)
My E-mail is: rb-rally@seznam.cz

Thanks all for trying ;)

Sorry, forgot this topic. Will send them tonight :)

[Jarek Z]

Thanks, I'm still getting used to lens selection with the 135 and 200 zooms and no auto focus, hence the fuzzy feel on some shots. I was using 800 film hence the grainy look in the low light photos, I was very pleased with some of the results but didn't erase the 'less than perfects' as they still have a reportage value.

I was working with 80-200 zoom for more than 5 years, it's not that difficult to use it without autofocus, you just need more practice. Good luck!
Here my old photos from 2003 Rally of Poland:
http://rallyonline.pl:84/g.php?1&pg_%5bdesc%5d=+DESC&pg_%5bex_path%5d=95&modex=pokaz&T%5bid%5d=156

[Mintexmemory]

I was working with 80-200 zoom for more than 5 years, it's not that difficult to use it without autofocus, you just need more practice. Good luck!
Here my old photos from 2003 Rally of Poland:
http://rallyonline.pl:84/g.php?1&pg_%5bdesc%5d=+DESC&pg_%5bex_path%5d=95&modex=pokaz&T%5bid%5d=156
Some really good captures there Jarek. Are these taken in locations that will be used WRC Rally Poland in future?

[Mirek]

These days Rajd Polski used to be tarmac event held hundreds of kilometers away from recent location ;)

[Jarek Z]

Like Mirek already said, those photos were taken in the days when Rally of Poland was held on tarmac stages. I'm afraid those beautiful stages will never be used in WRC.

[Walach]

Jarek, since Rajd Polski moved to gravel roads, on these tarmac stages there is any rally now?

[Jarek Z]

Jarek, since Rajd Polski moved to gravel roads, on these tarmac stages there is any rally now?

Yes, some parts of those stages are used on Elmot and Dolnoslaski rallies. But the whole route of the rally is completely different.

[Mirek]

Photos from Škoda Ultras: http://www.src.czechrallyeweb.net/pages/ypres2010.htm

[Mintexmemory]

]Photos from Škoda Ultras: http://www.src.czechrallyeweb.net/pages/ypres2010.htm
Nice set of shots, happy memories. Saw the gang (still carrying their long banner poles) in the market hall at midnight singing their 'We are Czech' song :) Just about the time I was having a late supper courtesy of the IRC over-catering ;)

[cpm]

My video from Ypres Rally 2011 Watch in HD!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIjQypzAfU