Call me a hypocrite....

[Daniel]

I know I was against this when people were wanting Ioan banned but can we please rid the F1 forum of Saint Devote? The sort of racism seen in the Malaysian GP thread has NO place on this forum and IIRC the forums policy on racism is an instaban. Can we get this done ASAP so we can enjoy F1 rather than having to deal with this facepalmtastic stuff over and over again?

[wedge]

Just read the so called 'offending' post.

I wouldn't say it was racist.

I can kinda see what Saint Devote's pointing at but this is 2010 and not 2007. 'Golden Boy' would be more apt today and even

The adulation and reference to skin colour was over-zealous in Hamilton's rookie, then Remember when after Hamilton won WDC and at the McLaren centre and some pillock hack made a reference to him and Obama respectively winning the WDC and US presidency.

The so called Obama-disease in reality is a certain middle class appeasing disease of the media. The media love a feel good story that tugs the hearts of the middle-class eg. nobody cares about gang stabbings but if innocent civillians possibly with 'middle-class aspirations' then that manages to appear in the main headlines.

[anthonyvop]

Can somebody point me to the offending post. i have gone through many of St. Devote's posting and have seen nothing even close to being racist.

[Daniel]

Tbh I think it's pretty obvious. He felt the need to bring race into it when there was no mention of it by anything. Clearly the fact that Lewis is black is a problem for him.

Tony, it's the difference between you criticising Obama based on what you think of him (which you do) and you feeling the need to bring Obama's race into it (which you don't)

[BDunnell]

I think there are plenty of reasons to object to much of what he says, which will be obvious to most who read his contributions, but I don't think he's actually been racist. There is absolutely no need for him to have brought race into that discussion, and his comments suggest that his attitude towards race is utterly skewed, but racist? Not really.

[wedge]

Quite right, BDunnell.

He gets rattled too easily. Most of his arguments are laughable.

[airshifter]

Maybe it would be easier to ban Daniel again? :laugh:

I didn't think anything racist was said myself, but tire of people flying off the handle whining to try and get others banned. I often don't agree with the point of views and sometimes just crazy debates in the forums, but if I don't want to read it I can use the ignore function.

After the last round of bannings I thought it was made clear that jumping into multiple threads, or creating them, to attack another poster wasn't something to be tolerated. The supposed offending post could have simply been forwarded to a moderator for review, rather than aired in public.

[Daniel]

Ah come on. It's clear enough to see. No one else feels the need to bring someone's race into a discussion about motorsport. Now if Lewis did actually get away with murder due to racial sensitivities I could understand it but this wasn't justified at all.

[Easy Drifter]

In my opinion it was a rather silly comment but I don't feel overtly racist. St. Devote is often contraversial and quite opionated but then so are quite a few of us.
I found some of the comments that followed to be more out of line than the original one and really had no place in the forum.
I think we should just let it drop here and now.
Daniel if you really feel strongly PM Pino and let him decide rather than creating a fuss on the board.

[anthonyvop]

Tbh I think it's pretty obvious. He felt the need to bring race into it when there was no mention of it by anything. Clearly the fact that Lewis is black is a problem for him.

Tony, it's the difference between you criticising Obama based on what you think of him (which you do) and you feeling the need to bring Obama's race into it (which you don't)

The issue some might have is that the fact LH was black was pushed by the media. AFAIK LH never tried to put a damper on that talk.

Last year I had an issue with the US F1 broadcast. Particular David Hobbs's insistence on call Felipe Massa "Phil" and Fernando Alonso "Fred". Why did he feel the need to angloize their names? Being Latin myself I found it a bit degrading.

It is all a matter of perspective.

[Bob Riebe]

It is all a matter of perspective.
Correct before President Obama entered politics, and to some degree after, his friends called him Barry.

[Roamy]

Hobbs is a certified idiot. Let St Devote say anything he wants and quit your fag whining. Take him on that is what forums are about. Seriously the whole world is racist and if you can't figure it out by now you are a lost soul. Politicians make a big freaking deal all the time out of racism and they are probably the worse.

[Jag_Warrior]

Ah come on. It's clear enough to see. No one else feels the need to bring someone's race into a discussion about motorsport. Now if Lewis did actually get away with murder due to racial sensitivities I could understand it but this wasn't justified at all.

We're talking about the same character who compared the USF1 effort to Nazi Germany. So... :rolleyes:

I skip over most any post where I see his name. I figure he'll get himself banned sooner than later, because he wants/needs attention. And to get it, he'll eventually step way over the line.

Til then, I can wait. He's just a garden variety troll who has managed to hang around past his due date.

[harsha]

surely this could have been better communicated over PM

[anthonyvop]

Correct before President Obama entered politics, and to some degree after, his friends called him Barry.
Yes, but Barry is a nickname that he approves of.

My fist name is Anthony but my friends call me Tony. That is cool by me.

I sincerely doubt that Fernando Alonso told Hobbs it was ok to call him "Fred"

BTW Fred is short for Fredrick which in Spanish is Federico not Fernando. The English version of Fernando is Ferdinand.

[Daniel]

We're talking about the same character who compared the USF1 effort to Nazi Germany. So... :rolleyes:

I skip over most any post where I see his name. I figure he'll get himself banned sooner than later, because he wants/needs attention. And to get it, he'll eventually step way over the line.

Til then, I can wait. He's just a garden variety troll who has managed to hang around past his due date.

Exactly. He's just an out and out troll. Sure most people in this thread are guilty of saying things for effect from time to time, but this guy does it with pretty much every post :mark:

[Eki]

Hypocrite!

[odykas]

Hypocrite...

[Lousada]

Ah come on. It's clear enough to see. No one else feels the need to bring someone's race into a discussion about motorsport.

And there was me thinking this was a race forum :dork:

[BDunnell]

Last year I had an issue with the US F1 broadcast. Particular David Hobbs's insistence on call Felipe Massa "Phil" and Fernando Alonso "Fred". Why did he feel the need to angloize their names? Being Latin myself I found it a bit degrading.

I certainly agree with your view as expressed there and in your subsequent post.

[Mark]

If you feel someone should be banned then lobby the moderators. It's not a public discussion topic.

[BeansBeansBeans]

Though I completely disagreed with the posts in question I don't have problem with people discussing race. St Devote wasn't being racist (in my opinion).

[Mark in Oshawa]

I don't think he is a racist. A little edgy or foolish? oh ya....

[anthonyvop]

I certainly agree with your view as expressed there and in your subsequent post.








ohhhh...crap!

[BDunnell]

ohhhh...crap!

I know. I hated doing it too. But if I think you're right I will say so.

[Garry Walker]

I have as much respect for st.devote as I have for an average drug abuser, but there was no racism in his post, that is an over-reaction. Not everything that involves hamiltons skin-colour automatically means it is racist.

[pino]

I am going to close this for 3 reasons :

1) This should not be discussed in pubblic.
2) I will never ban a member because is requested by other members.
3) There's not reasons to ban him.