Ford Fiesta RS WRC

[6789]

Great photos. The Fiesta looks mean

[Allyc85]

hi guys i'm new to this site. I notice you lot do talk rubbish sometimes.

Only sometimes ;)

[Barreis]

Don't like it..

[Brother John]

hi guys i'm new to this site. I notice you lot do talk rubbish sometimes. Anyawy.... I heard the fiesta did about 800km this week at kielder forrest with mikko and jari.

Do you mean the Citroën fans here? :s mokin:

[OldF]

hi guys i'm new to this site. I notice you lot do talk rubbish sometimes. Anyawy.... I heard the fiesta did about 800km this week at kielder forrest with mikko and jari.

ps. If you lot were wondering why it was slow at kames(Go kart track), it was a engineer doing the driving not matt. They were just putting miles on the engine. All the other drivers were at greystoke testing the focus before GB Rally.

Two good comments in your first post. Not a bad start. Let’s see how the “experts” will comment about the engineer cruising around in the Fiesta WRC. Welcome jim84.

[N.O.T]

is the engineer driving here as well ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deGFA0L4tjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwtjQGIdo8

i really hope the car is fast and every finnish and british person feels proud of their drivers and cars... the happier europeans are the more money they send over here.

The car LOOKS slow...maybe its the video maybe, its the cat of Mr. Wilson that drives, maybe they do it on purpose, maybe they have a bad hair day during test...but the car looks slow.

compared to this...it looks slow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw

[darkstar]

i dont think its looking slow...also hardly compareable those videos. one is on dry surface, one wet. what i must say is that the citroen sounds more agressive.

[Daniel]

is the engineer driving here as well ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deGFA0L4tjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwtjQGIdo8

i really hope the car is fast and every finnish and british person feels proud of their drivers and cars... the happier europeans are the more money they send over here.

The car LOOKS slow...maybe its the video maybe, its the cat of Mr. Wilson that drives, maybe they do it on purpose, maybe they have a bad hair day during test...but the car looks slow.

compared to this...it looks slow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw
I too agree with you NOT. But sadly some people seem to want to find excuses as to why one video looks faster rather than just saying that the DS3 looks faster which it does.

[Bobcat]

is the engineer driving here as well ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deGFA0L4tjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwtjQGIdo8

i really hope the car is fast and every finnish and british person feels proud of their drivers and cars... the happier europeans are the more money they send over here.

The car LOOKS slow...maybe its the video maybe, its the cat of Mr. Wilson that drives, maybe they do it on purpose, maybe they have a bad hair day during test...but the car looks slow.

compared to this...it looks slow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw
Yeah it is slow because you are not trying to compare with this... http://dai.ly/amzuRu

[Barreis]

From all this 1.6T WRC's when great Gronholm drove mini WRC it was looking fastest to me (today saw road version-ugly like ****)..

[Daniel]

Yeah it is slow because you are not trying to compare with this... http://dai.ly/amzuRu
How many roads in the WRC are that wide? Answer? Almost none.....

Seriously, lets just get the embarassment for Ford supporters out of the way now and say that Ford will be bridesmaids again :)

[Roy]

How many roads in the WRC are that wide? Answer? Almost none.....

Seriously, lets just get the embarassment for Ford supporters out of the way now and say that Ford will be bridesmaids again :)

This comment is foolish. I don't say you are, but your comment ;) .You watch to much F1 and other boring 'round and round' racing on wide roads.
Many stages are narrow. Nice to hear Ford doing well in tests. Now no more tears or nonsense about the tests.

The test on tarmac was slow, but now it is clear why it was slow.

[Daniel]

This comment is foolish. I don't say you are, but your comment ;) .You watch to much F1 and other boring 'round and round' racing on wide roads.
Many stages are narrow. Nice to hear Ford doing well in tests. Now no more tears or nonsense about the tests.

The test on tarmac was slow, but now it is clear why it was slow.
Did you watch the video? The road was wide enough to land a plane on it...... they should be testing on proper roads like the ones they're going to be rallying on, not ones that are autobahn's by comparison.....

[jim84]

i think i'm right you guys do talk rubbish. Comparing speeds on video is nonsence, they're on totally different roads. maybe we'll have a better idea when ford test in portugal next week.

[Roy]

Did you watch the video? The road was wide enough to land a plane on it...... they should be testing on proper roads like the ones they're going to be rallying on, not ones that are autobahn's by comparison.....

And some they are wide too. Do they test on a small road it is not good, do they test on a small road it isn't good either. Ford test the car every where like Citroen does. But some have to lived behind this forum and yell about everything that is not Citroen. There are here some sick dogs. :\

And I see in February if WRC are more competitive than last year. I hope on more fast cars and drivers and many winners. If not... I have a life.

[Doon]

The Citroens always seem faster on video's because the are louder. If you took a clip from Latvala and one from Loeb on the same part of a stage in Rally GB, Loeb would seem faster. Perception of speed also comes from sounds, measure the distance they travel on a road in a set time and they would be split by the hair on a fly's arse!

Lets wait until Sweden and then make judgement. All those bashing Ford may well just be eating their words. Even the Mini seems quicker than the Fiesta on videos, but nobody can tell me that it would actually beat it on stage coming straight out of the box, compared to Fords years of development?

[Roy]

...
Lets wait until Sweden and then make judgement.
...

:up:

[Allyc85]

The Citroens always seem faster on video's because the are louder. If you took a clip from Latvala and one from Loeb on the same part of a stage in Rally GB, Loeb would seem faster. Perception of speed also comes from sounds, measure the distance they travel on a road in a set time and they would be split by the hair on a fly's arse!

Lets wait until Sweden and then make judgement. All those bashing Ford may well just be eating their words. Even the Mini seems quicker than the Fiesta on videos, but nobody can tell me that it would actually beat it on stage coming straight out of the box, compared to Fords years of development?

Spot on :)

[Rallyper]

Honestly I can give the lads right that say the Citroen looks to be faster. But that´s not a big case now, is it?

Because none of us can tell.

So - let´s wait and see. The best is that they hopefully are equal, so there´s gonna be competition during 2011. That would be good for next year, wouldn´t it?

[cali]

The Citroens always seem faster on video's because the are louder. If you took a clip from Latvala and one from Loeb on the same part of a stage in Rally GB, Loeb would seem faster. Perception of speed also comes from sounds, measure the distance they travel on a road in a set time and they would be split by the hair on a fly's arse!

Lets wait until Sweden and then make judgement. All those bashing Ford may well just be eating their words. Even the Mini seems quicker than the Fiesta on videos, but nobody can tell me that it would actually beat it on stage coming straight out of the box, compared to Fords years of development?

Next year there will be no more live timing in WRC. From now on there will be 3 "independent experts" sitting in the wrc officials room and they will measure the speed shown in video. Rally results will be published after all of the videos have been evaluated ...

Seriously

[Daniel]

Next year there will be no more live timing in WRC. From now on there will be 3 "independent experts" sitting in the wrc officials room and they will measure the speed shown in video. Rally results will be published after all of the videos have been evaluated ...

Seriously

:rotflmao: Why do people continue with this? You can judge exactly how quick a car will be but it can give quite a good idea.

I'm happy to wait till the end of next year and we'll see who's right :laugh:

[bluuford]

Next year there will be no more live timing in WRC. From now on there will be 3 "independent experts" sitting in the wrc officials room and they will measure the speed shown in video. Rally results will be published after all of the videos have been evaluated ...

Seriously

Yeah :-) That is great man!
I heard also that the split times page will be replaced with split point evaluation marks page.There will be one official in each split point and they are evaluating the speed of the car and giving marks. We can see their marks on the screen we formerly knew as a split-times screen. At the end of the stage the marks will be averaged and those averages will be compared with video evaluations :-P

EDIT: I hope FIA does not read this comment... who knows..

[cali]

Yeah :-) That is great man!
I heard also that the split times page will be replaced with split point evaluation marks page.There will be one official in each split point and they are evaluating the speed of the car and giving marks. We can see their marks on the screen we formerly knew as a split-times screen. At the end of the stage the marks will be averaged and those averages will be compared with video evaluations :-P

EDIT: I hope FIA does not read this comment... who knows..

:D

[Daniel]

:rotflmao: Why do people continue with this? You can judge exactly how quick a car will be but it can give quite a good idea.

I'm happy to wait till the end of next year and we'll see who's right :laugh:

Sorry I should clarify this.

"You can't judge exactly how quick a car will be but it can give quite a good idea."

[Rallyper]

Next year there will be no more live timing in WRC. From now on there will be 3 "independent experts" sitting in the wrc officials room and they will measure the speed shown in video. Rally results will be published after all of the videos have been evaluated ...

Seriously

Will N.O.T. be hired as an expert? :D

[cali]

Will N.O.T. be hired as an expert? :D

Some rumours say that FIA has been watching our forum quite closely for the last couple of years and few of our fellow forum members have been spotted as a "raw talent". No names have been published yet, but N.O.T. has a strong campaign going on here so he is my favourite for the available spot in WRC speed measuring board.

[TMorel]

Cali, does he have a five year plan?

1st year looking at crayon drawings of rally cars to judge speed
2nd year looking at water colour fine art (might be problem with watersplashes)
3rd year watching youtube clips
...
9th year [well, we all know how these plans take longer than expected]

[Daniel]

Or just take the Ford fan's route

1st year. This is our year, we're going to win.
2nd year. That damn Loeb, if he was driving for us we'd win.
3rd year. Don't be mean to Mathew Wilson! If Malcolm was your dad you'd do it too!
4th year. Matt's testing the new car! It's going to be a cracker.
5th year. Damnit, if Sebastien Ogier was driving for us we'd win
....
10th year Now that Mathew has taken over M-Sport we're SURE to win now!!!!

If Malcom's boys win this year it'll be a miracle.

[cali]

Cali, does he have a five year plan?

1st year looking at crayon drawings of rally cars to judge speed
2nd year looking at water colour fine art (might be problem with watersplashes)
3rd year watching youtube clips
...
9th year [well, we all know how these plans take longer than expected]
Yes he has!
Is called randomly rant about things that i do not have a clue about it! Should work well in FIA :rotflmao:

[Kamikaze]

Or just take the Ford fan's route

1st year. This is our year, we're going to win.
2nd year. That damn Loeb, if he was driving for us we'd win.
3rd year. Don't be mean to Mathew Wilson! If Malcolm was your dad you'd do it too!
4th year. Matt's testing the new car! It's going to be a cracker.
5th year. Damnit, if Sebastien Ogier was driving for us we'd win
....
10th year Now that Mathew has taken over M-Sport we're SURE to win now!!!!

Or take the Danielway:

!st year. Write crap
2nd year. Write more crap
3rd year. Write even more crap
4th year. Still write crap
....
10th year. You have 34,435 Post (9.65 posts per day)

[Allyc85]

Or just take the Ford fan's route

1st year. This is our year, we're going to win.
2nd year. That damn Loeb, if he was driving for us we'd win.
3rd year. Don't be mean to Mathew Wilson! If Malcolm was your dad you'd do it too!
4th year. Matt's testing the new car! It's going to be a cracker.
5th year. Damnit, if Sebastien Ogier was driving for us we'd win
....
10th year Now that Mathew has taken over M-Sport we're SURE to win now!!!!

If Malcom's boys win this year it'll be a miracle.


Number 3 is very much wrong, who the hell ever defends Mat Wilson ;)

[Daniel]

Or take the Danielway:

!st year. Write crap
2nd year. Write more crap
3rd year. Write even more crap
4th year. Still write crap
....
10th year. You have 34,435 Post (9.65 posts per day)
Is there any particular reason you feel the need to make personal remarks rather than talk about the topic? Reported your post anyway.....

[Kamikaze]

Reported your post anyway.....

You are my hero.......

[Allyc85]

You reported that Daniel? Man up a bit!

Anyway back to the Fiesta :)

[Daniel]

You reported that Daniel? Man up a bit!

Anyway back to the Fiesta :)
I've had enough of taking crap from people who just want to be personal rather than actually having a discussion about the topic.

[Iskald]

Reported your post anyway.....

Thats become a habit of yours, hasn`t it, Daniel? Love it...

[Daniel]

Thats become a habit of yours, hasn`t it, Daniel? Love it...

irrelevant, reported.

[Mirek]

Guys, please, stop that useless rubbish for good sake.

[Daniel]

Guys, please, stop that useless rubbish for good sake.
Agreed. I came here to talk about the Fiesta WRC...... seems some others didn't.

[PuddleJumper]

Please keep the discussion on topic. Next time the thread will be closed.

[Barreis]

Moderator, please close the topic imidietly 'cos we know who'll be the champ next year.. :D

[alleskids]

I hear different stories about the exclusief use of the 1,6t WRCars to the WRCars. They also may drive in national/regional series which already allow WRCars. Are the 1.6t WRCars only legal for the WRC? I hear that Nasser Al Attiyah bought a Fiesta WRcar for use in the Middle East Rally Championship next year ?!

http://sport.turbomagazine.be/news_FR_5580_Quid_des_WRC_16_Turbo_hors_championna t_du_Monde_.html

[Barreis]

Legal in national and regional championships..

[Mirek]

No, in the moment it's still not decided. They are legal only in WRC. Originally there was no plan to allow even SP in regional championships for 2011 but there are quite strong pushes to do so. Most probably they won't be allowed in IRC. In national championships it's always up to ASN. We have to wait few weeks for more news.

Alleskids: I doubt that there is any new WRC car for sale and not only for rent. But maybe...

[Tomi]

No, in the moment it's still not decided. They are legal only in WRC. Originally there was no plan to allow even SP in regional championships for 2011 but there are quite strong pushes to do so. Most probably they won't be allowed in IRC. In national championships it's always up to ASN. We have to wait few weeks for more news.

Alleskids: I doubt that there is any new WRC car for sale and not only for rent. But maybe...

Hopefully they will be allowed in national championships, its much cheaper for drivers with serious ambitions to get used to those that way.

[Mirek]

Agree with that

[Bobcat]

Ford’s drivers were equally pleased with the results of their time in the Fiesta RS WRC in Cumbria. This was the first time the full 2011 specification Fiesta ran on gravel in Britain, having tested the chassis with the new engine on asphalt at an airfield close to M-Sport’s Cockermouth base.

Jari-Matti Latvala said: “Everything is going really well with the new car. We are making good progress and, I have to say, it’s a very exciting car to drive. It feels really nice and well-balanced and good power. It’s good to be in the car which we are using for next year, we will be driving it a lot before Sweden [the opening round of next year’s World Rally Championship], but that is good, we need a lot of experience for the car before we start competing.”http://www.wrc.com/news/citroen-and-ford-extend-their-uk-stay/?fid=13965

[Bobcat]

Kuipers to drive Ford Fiesta RS WRC for 2011: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/493-kuipers-to-drive-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-for-2011

[Red bull]

Kuipers to drive Ford Fiesta RS WRC for 2011: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/493-kuipers-to-drive-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-for-2011
and imagine solberg is struggling to get a drive :mad:

[N.O.T]

and imagine solberg is struggling to get a drive :mad:

i am sure if Solberg was willing to spend the amount Mr turist does he would get a drive in no time.

[ProRally]

Kuipers to drive Ford Fiesta RS WRC for 2011: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/493-kuipers-to-drive-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-for-2011

Kuipers just spending the interest on the interest he gets on his money.... :D :D :D

[alleskids]

If Kuipers is so lcuky in finance, he should create Ipatec World Rally Team Nederland- Belgie, with the new generation Dutch rally talents with talented Belgium navigators: Dennis Kuipers, Hans Weijs and Kevin Abbring. The Ipatec coulours are very beautifull, an improvement to the ugly works livery. So in terms of nice looks the Ipatec team is a very welcom part of the 2011 WRC.

[ProRally]

If Kuipers is so lcuky in finance, he should create Ipatec World Rally Team Nederland- Belgie, with the new generation Dutch rally talents with talented Belgium navigators: Dennis Kuipers, Hans Weijs and Kevin Abbring. The Ipatec coulours are very beautifull, an improvement to the ugly works livery. So in terms of nice looks the Ipatec team is a very welcom part of the 2011 WRC.

Good idea, hope it will happen :hot:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Kuipers...... who is he?!

But this is GREAT news!

[Roy]

If Kuipers is so lcuky in finance, he should create Ipatec World Rally Team Nederland- Belgie, with the new generation Dutch rally talents with talented Belgium navigators: Dennis Kuipers, Hans Weijs and Kevin Abbring. The Ipatec coulours are very beautifull, an improvement to the ugly works livery. So in terms of nice looks the Ipatec team is a very welcom part of the 2011 WRC.

I was thinking the same. Merksteijn, ipatec, Philips or something else on the car and Weijs and Abbring in the car.
A 'Lage Landen' WRT team is possible.

[Francis44]

Just heard Ford is testing the Fiesta WRC on Portugal, Algarve region since Tuesday.

[JAM]

Just heard Ford is testing the Fiesta WRC on Portugal, Algarve region since Tuesday.

It's true, from Tuesday to Friday and almost secret.

Translate from Google:

WRC: Ford tests ended in Tavira (http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Firis.cpidt.pt%2Fsportmoto res2003%2Fusrproj_sportmotores.go_noticia%3Fid%3D3 0639&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

And some pictures:

Pictures on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=32497&id=157929344227742)

[gloomyDAY]

It's true, from Tuesday to Friday and almost secret.

Translate from Google:

WRC: Ford tests ended in Tavira (http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Firis.cpidt.pt%2Fsportmoto res2003%2Fusrproj_sportmotores.go_noticia%3Fid%3D3 0639&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

And some pictures:

Pictures on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#%21/album.php?aid=32497&id=157929344227742)Damn, they're really beating the crap out of that little Fiesta!

[RICARDO75]

Video from Fiesta WRC test in Portugal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGWaDOUHp0M&feature=player_embedded#!

[Francis44]

Good sound and speed I must say.

[Iskald]

Good sound and speed I must say.

The reigning Fiesta-bashers on this thread will certainly "analyze and evaluate" this video and come to the conclusion that the car is pitifully slow and awful...

[Daniel]

The reigning Fiesta-bashers on this thread will certainly "analyze and evaluate" this video and come to the conclusion that the car is pitifully slow and awful...

I think it does look a lot better, perhaps not quite as fast as the DS3 but it looks good. My point previously was that if Ford are doing low speed tests then they're further behind in terms of testing that Citroen and that this would naturally be a disadvantage.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like for the cars to be as fast as each other then we can wonder about more than when one of the Sebastien's in a Citroen will win. I simply don't see the point in low speed testing when your adversary is testing at 100% pace on stages representative of what the events will be like.

[Bobcat]

Iskald, pretty sure. :D

[Daniel]

Iskald, pretty sure. :D

Definition of epic fail? :laugh:

[Bobcat]

http://olhares.aeiou.pt/teste_ford_fiesta_rs_wrc_foto4255154.html

http://ipt.olhares.com/data/big/424/4249562.jpg

http://ipt.olhares.com/data/big/424/4249568.jpg

http://ipt.olhares.com/data/big/424/4245723.jpg

[Racing Ka]

New life to PX59AUT.

[Sardalense]

New life to PX59AUT.

Yes, after this little problem : http://vne-resource.iol.co.za/30/picdb/article0/5/a/128940

[wwbroe]

Video from Fiesta WRC test in Portugal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGWaDOUHp0M&feature=player_embedded#!

No longer visible? :( :confused: :( :eek:

[Sardalense]

No longer visible? :( :confused: :( :eek:

The author wrote in other forum that a new version of the video will be available later today or tomorrow I guess.

[Rando]

No longer visible? :( :confused: :( :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQcpJh5Ayw

[Allyc85]

Id say from that vid the Fiesta is 0.231 seconds per mile slower than the Citreon...

Is the Fiesta going to be using a 6 speed gear box?

[Mirek]

Yes, all cars will have 6-speed box.

[Allyc85]

Excellent, cheers :)

[Hartusvuori]

New life to PX59AUT.


Yes, after this little problem : http://vne-resource.iol.co.za/30/picdb/article0/5/a/128940

So how it is with reg. plates and chassises, can they change them or do they go together? Meaning, is M-Sport really using a chassis of once burned Fiesta S2000 of Sousa's to develop their new Fiesta WRC? Well, world rally cars are strong built - obvious example being the PX08 AXD Focus of Latvala, same for Portugal 2009 and Finland 2010.

Same PX59 AUT was used for the tarmac test in October: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwtjQGIdo8&feature=related

[wwbroe]

Who was the driver on this testing video? I don't think it was Matthew, or has he improved his speed that much? :D

[Hartusvuori]

Who was the driver on this testing video? I don't think it was Matthew, or has he improved his speed that much? :D

From the pictures you can clearly see the coloured glasses of the driver so it's Latvala.

[RICARDO75]

Who was the driver on this testing video? I don't think it was Matthew, or has he improved his speed that much? :D

It was Hirvonen and Latvala

[jim84]

PX59AUT is a brand new shell built in october to do the spain tarmac test. it hasn't been used for s2000.

[Bobcat]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8085/fordfiestarswrc10heacop.jpg

[Daniel]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8085/fordfiestarswrc10heacop.jpg
20 years later what? Someone photoshops a car with the same livery? Delecour has a car confirmed? What?

[Mirek]

Yes, he is confirmed with Peugeot for Monte Carlo :)

[Daniel]

Yes, he is confirmed with Peugeot for Monte Carlo :)
So no Fiesta? :s

[BDunnell]

20 years later what? Someone photoshops a car with the same livery? Delecour has a car confirmed? What?

Simple. It's a celebration of someone not winning a rally, and what better way to celebrate than by mis-spelling the co-driver's name?

[HaCo]

It's a very nice pic!

[Daniel]

Simple. It's a celebration of someone not winning a rally, and what better way to celebrate than by mis-spelling the co-driver's name?

If I had been drinking milk (I don't like milk btw) whilst reading your post I would have snorted it out all over my monitor and keyboard :laugh:

[Bobcat]

Look at the car, awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QU15Wvc_U

[Mirek]

Yes, this really looks awesome. Very nice progress!

[N.O.T]

is the engineer driving ?

[Zico]

is the engineer driving ?

Do engineers usually drive in tests?

[Juha_Koo]

is the engineer driving ?

Obvious troll is obvious. :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

Do engineers usually drive in tests?

in the ford team yes, according to inside information.

[N.O.T]

Obvious troll is obvious. :rolleyes:

we will see Sweden is close

[bluuford]

is the engineer driving ?

Yes, seems that Ford engineers can drive better than real pilots in many other teams ;-P

[rp]

Ford was testing the Fiesta WRC last week in Sweden. J-M drove two days and after that Mikko three days...

Hopefully someone was there and can comment or show some videos...

[Karukera]

Ford was testing the Fiesta WRC last week in Sweden. J-M drove two days and after that Mikko three days...

Hopefully someone was there and can comment or show some videos...

There should be some videos because the ones showing the Fiesta are rather scarce, to say the least...

Where's bobcat when we need him ?

[MartijnS]

Video of the test in Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwjZ5NhoEA

[Bobcat]

Ford was testing the Fiesta WRC last week in Sweden. J-M drove two days and after that Mikko three days...

Hopefully someone was there and can comment or show some videos...
Christian Loriaux said: http://www.wrc.com/news/ford-enjoys-positive-test/?fid=14009

[Karukera]

Video of the test in Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwjZ5NhoEA

Gracias Señor ! :up:

The Fiesta looks sharp and well balanced. Promissing.

[Bobcat]

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/505-new-teams-enter-2011-fia-world-rally-championship
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88847

[Hartusvuori]

Video of the test in Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwjZ5NhoEA

What was the plate on the test car? PX58AXF or PX59AUT? On the video it looks good, but of course we won't know nothing until first proper stage in Sweden.

[Bobcat]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1358.snc4/163070_10150115157320733_206160890732_8111207_3328 444_n.jpg

[RS]

The Fiesta looks faster in the Sweden video than the Focus did; at least it looks & sounds much more entertaining. Great that the new cars rev higher too although the Fiesta still suffers a little from "Pipo Moteurs disease"

[Bobcat]

I think PIPO Moteurs haven't done a lot of work on this DI engine, on which Ford has collaborated with M-Sport and PIPO Moteurs.

[6789]

I think PIPO Moteurs haven't done a lot of work on this DI engine, on which Ford has collaborated with M-Sport and PIPO Moteurs.
So you're saying Ford and M-Sport did most of the development work or not much development has taken place at all?

[306 Cosworth]

Anyone got an idea when we're likely to see the works car with 2011 livery?

[Pinto]

tomorrow i think at the NEC

[Pinto]

Anyone got an idea when we're likely to see the works car with 2011 livery?

its been unveiled at 10am this morning in the autosport show

[paddocknews]

The covers are off http://yfrog.com/gyo9nnuj 2011 Ford Fiesta WRC

[N.O.T]

meh...it looks more like a private entry livery...from this angle at least.

[Hartusvuori]

meh...it looks more like a private entry livery...from this angle at least.

From this angle it's like commenting a final rally result from the first split. - - But it is better than Citroen anno 2007 or any Rautenbach livery...

[N.O.T]

the citroen of 2007 was a joke...was more like a private team ready to pull the plug on the WRC program.

To be honest i do not like white base colour for liveries Ford could have used their trademark blue or even that flashy green.

but i guess if it goes good, and wins the livery will get to us eventually.

[Roy]

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1294915111.jpg

Front of the car. To small and this looks a lit boring.
With Castrol Edge sponsoring you can do much better.

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=52335

[cali]

It looks slow :D

[6789]

From this angle it's like commenting a final rally result from the first split. - - But it is better than Citroen anno 2007 or any Rautenbach livery...

Rautenbach just had a Citroen logo lol.

I think it'll grow with me, looks pretty good

[N.O.T]

It looks slow :D

lol...


the front is better...but still.

[Roy]

http://www.worldrallypics.com/ford/

Studio pics are ok for me. Looks aggressive.

[6789]

http://www.worldrallypics.com/ford/

Studio pics are ok for me. Looks aggressive.

Car must be on bump stops, very low and the rears have massive camber. The wheel guard are massive, not your normal Fiesta

[Juha_Koo]

I like it. A nice final touch are those orange stripes there. But where is JM? I only see Mikko in those Autosport show photos... Shouldn't JM have the car #3 this season?

[6789]

I like it. A nice final touch are those orange stripes there. But where is JM? I only see Mikko in those Autosport show photos... Shouldn't JM have the car #3 this season?

You'd think so, but Mikko is nominated as lead driver for the Ford WRT

[OldF]

I like it. A nice final touch are those orange stripes there. But where is JM? I only see Mikko in those Autosport show photos... Shouldn't JM have the car #3 this season?

Gerard Quinn tells on Twitter that he’s there with Mikko.

"Just arrived at Autosport Show with Mikko. We will reveal our new livery at 1000h."

[Juha_Koo]

You'd think so, but Mikko is nominated as lead driver for the Ford WRT

WHAT?! That's just utter bullsh*t. What's your source? Because just few days ago JM told that there isn't any decisions made concerning driver hierarchy yet...

[RICARDO75]

WHAT?! That's just utter bullsh*t. What's your source? Because just few days ago JM told that there isn't any decisions made concerning driver hierarchy yet...


http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2011/Pages/2011_wrc.aspx

[N.O.T]

indeed the studio photos look far better....

as far as the lead river...the one with the better manager and he who pumps more money will get the lead driving seat, its almost a custom for finnish drivers nowadays.

[6789]

WHAT?! That's just utter bullsh*t. What's your source? Because just few days ago JM told that there isn't any decisions made concerning driver hierarchy yet...

Yeah it's in the nominations for Manu points. Was supposed to say that. They might still treat them as equal or something. Takes the pressure off Jari, so he can just drive. I really hope Mikko found his mojo/balls over the holidays.

[Francis44]

the citroen of 2007 was a joke...was more like a private team ready to pull the plug on the WRC program.

To be honest i do not like white base colour for liveries Ford could have used their trademark blue or even that flashy green.

but i guess if it goes good, and wins the livery will get to us eventually.

Funny how differently all of us think. For me the Citroen livery in 2007 was the best in recent years, simple, with just one colour. Recent paints look like someone with a varied diet vomited all over the car.

[Josti]

Far better than the messy livery of 2008-10 and I think it's good they based there colourscheme on white again (like they always did). Would've prefered the blue-white-grey livery of M-Sport, but couldn't expect that with Castrol and Abu Dhabi as sponsors.

I also think the Citroën livery of 2007 was good, it made it look like an actual manufacturer car, without a lot of different sponsors and colours. I never liked the look of Red Bull logo's on cars, but on the DS3 it actually looks nice. Could have more to do with the car though.

[Salist]

Very nice the new livery.

[Salist]

http://www.worldrallypics.com/ford/

Studio pics are ok for me. Looks aggressive.

Thanks Roy!

[Ondra WRC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N85tTPE208A&feature=sub

[GigiGalliNo1]

Nice white inclusion as well as a new green!

Interesting to see Ford and M-Sport growing some balls and having their names First in the team name!!

Ford Abu Dhabi World Rally Team and M-Sport Stobart WRT!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Red Bull still sponsoring Citroen WRT?

[peg306]

Far better than the messy livery of 2008-10 and I think it's good they based there colourscheme on white again (like they always did). Would've prefered the blue-white-grey livery of M-Sport, but couldn't expect that with Castrol and Abu Dhabi as sponsors.

+1

[rallyfiend]

Nice white inclusion as well as a new green!

Interesting to see Ford and M-Sport growing some balls and having their names First in the team name!!

Ford Abu Dhabi World Rally Team and M-Sport Stobart WRT!

I bet it has nothing to do with balls, but more to do with financial necessity. If Stobart aren't paying full freight, they need way to give them less prominence.

I'm sure if someone came along and offered the right price, the Ford would soon disappear as the first word!

[Mirek]

I like the new livery more than the one from Focus which was awful. It's still a bit too colorful but looks much more dynamic than before (also thanks to Fiesta look).

[darkstar]

I like the new livery more than the one from Focus which was awful. It's still a bit too colorful but looks much more dynamic than before (also thanks to Fiesta look).

completely agree! the old livery was so ugly...and it feels like they we´re driving around with it since 5 years(it was only 2 i guess) and got more and more boring. new one looks mutch better!

[Sulland]

The Ford team design team need to understand "less is more" !

[ste898]

This is the first nice Ford livery for at least 4-5 years maybe longer

[ste898]

http://www.worldrallypics.com/ford/

Studio pics are ok for me. Looks aggressive.

Photos have gone now?

[darkstar]

photos are also available here: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/galerien/2011/ford-fiesta-wrc/index.html

[ste898]

Not hi res like the other ones

[Micke_VOC]

really nice livery...

[Plan9]

Photos have gone now?
do you guys know if there is a photo website for the monster team on the world rally pics site????
By the way is there any word on when the other teams will launch their liveries?

[RICARDO75]

do you guys know if there is a photo website for the monster team on the world rally pics site????
By the way is there any word on when the other teams will launch their liveries?

http://www.monsterworldrallyteam.com/sites/default/files/blog/images/TRAXHI2_0.jpg?1292542481

Should be like this.
This photo is from December 16 but is still from the american version with 5 door body

[Pinto]

thays the gymkhanana car it may look like it or there maybe a new fresh look for 2011

[TyPat107]

Knowing Kens normal marketing technique he will drop a hint of the car 2 weeks before Sweden and then he will unveil the car the night before sweden.

[rp]

Fiesta WRC set for Artic Rally debut :
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88938

[Bobcat]

Official: P-G Andersson will drive a Ford Fiesta RS WRC - http://www.wrc.com/news/fans-rally-around-for-anderssons-swedish-entry/?fid=14043


Andersson’s entry means 13 World Rally Cars will start Rally Sweden, nine of them being Fords.

[jiipee64]

http://www.iltalehti.fi/ralli/2011012313058679_ri.shtml

Ford will continue testing in Sweden...

[Xsara Fan]

http://www.iltalehti.fi/ralli/2011012313058679_ri.shtml

Ford will continue testing in Sweden...

By unofficial information M-Sport will not start cause JML crashed Fiesta WRC and the team urgently went to England to built a new car for Sweden...

[N.O.T]

Some of you really live in star trek universe.....Do you have any clue about marketing ??? was it ever possible the next generation of the WRC to debut on a village event ????

[Gard]

Some of you really live in star trek universe.....Do you have any clue about marketing ??? was it ever possible the next generation of the WRC to debut on a village event ????
This is fairly normal practice, but these days, everybody knows about it.

[Ucci]

By unofficial information M-Sport will not start cause JML crashed Fiesta WRC and the team urgently went to England to built a new car for Sweden...

Not good for self-confidence before new chapter in rallye-era.....

[N.O.T]

indeed so commo that last time it happened was 1986....welcome to yesterday.

[DonJippo]

Some of you really live in star trek universe.....Do you have any clue about marketing ??? was it ever possible the next generation of the WRC to debut on a village event ????

Following quote from Ford WRC Facebook page.


A crash while testing in Sweden (at 150kph) means we now won't be tesing in Arctic Rally.

The car, which requires extensive repair work, will now remain at the test location to ensure adequate preparation time for Rally Sweden.

[Hartusvuori]

In this (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F01%2F1261032%2Flatvala-rajusta-ulosajostaan-virhe-oli-taysin-minun) article it's written that the accident happened at 150 km/h AND at 6th gear. Have I missed this, does Fiesta WRC has 6 gears or is the article just wrong. (Google Translate doesn't translate 6th gear, but it is "kuutosvaihteella".)

[Francis44]

I guess crashes will be something usual in the first half of the year, it's not that I want those crashes to happen, I hope no one gets hurt, but considering what drivers are saying about the new cars, It's something waiting to happen.

Plus the paying drivers tend to crash heavily even not competing on the top, so I guess both Ford and Citroen will have plenty of work in the meantime.

[N.O.T]

Following quote from Ford WRC Facebook page.

lol...so ford posses just 1 testing car for all 9 drivers to compete in Sweden...nice. Lets hope they let the drivers drive the car and not the engineers...

[DonJippo]

lol...so ford posses just 1 testing car for all 9 drivers to compete in Sweden...nice. Lets hope they let the drivers drive the car and not the engineers...

With your experience you should know it by now that this is a normal procedure to have one car for testing purposes while others are being build or under maintenance for coming events. And atleast this crash was done by JML so unless he has changed to a team engineer it looks like drivers do the driving in testing.

[Brother John]

I guess crashes will be something usual in the first half of the year, it's not that I want those crashes to happen, I hope no one gets hurt.

I had already rather predict that there several crashes will happen this year with the new wrc cars and I hope without serious impact.
They are too fast and more dangerous.
Why haven't they decided to drive some years with normal S2000 in the WRC?
1-Fast enough.
2-Possible more car factories in WRC.
3-More drivers (that could win!).
4-More WRC T.V Coverage.
5-Probable more interesting for of sponsors.http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/s.gif

[Bobcat]

...the team urgently went to England to built a new car for Sweden...You're wrong!


Jari-Matti Latvala: "It was my error, I tried to use the snow banks to slow the car, but it rolled in the road before vaulting the snow banks and hitting some trees. The Fiesta RS WRC stood up to the impact remarkably well and Miikka and I escaped unhurt. The fact that the team can repair it and we can continue to test this week shows just how strong it is."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89056

Gerard Quinn: "Accident in testing. Latvala and Anttila were unhurt in the 150kph crash but the Fiesta RS WRC requires extensive repair work. The team has revised its schedule and the car will now remain at the test location to finalise preparations for next month's Rally Sweden."

[Bobcat]

In this (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F01%2F1261032%2Flatvala-rajusta-ulosajostaan-virhe-oli-taysin-minun) article it's written that the accident happened at 150 km/h AND at 6th gear. It's true.

[Rallyper]

Where in Sweden is this test?

If I got this right they will repair the car in sweden and continue test later this week?

Any pics someone? This is hot stuff! :eek:

[DonJippo]

Where in Sweden is this test?

Somewhere near Kall, where Staffan Parmander has his test facility.

[Bobcat]

If I got this right they will repair the car in sweden and continue test later this week?

Yeah, right.

[Barreis]

You're wrong!


Jari-Matti Latvala: "It was my error, I tried to use the snow banks to slow the car, but it rolled in the road before vaulting the snow banks and hitting some trees. The Fiesta RS WRC stood up to the impact remarkably well and Miikka and I escaped unhurt. The fact that the team can repair it and we can continue to test this week shows just how strong it is."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89056

Gerard Quinn: "Accident in testing. Latvala and Anttila were unhurt in the 150kph crash but the Fiesta RS WRC requires extensive repair work. The team has revised its schedule and the car will now remain at the test location to finalise preparations for next month's Rally Sweden."

Latvala was relaxed again..

[aykutbilir]

Its probably the test car only. The official Sweden Fiesta's are @ M-Sport HQ getting ready for race.
That's a guess.

[Hartusvuori]

Its probably the test car only. The official Sweden Fiesta's are @ M-Sport HQ getting ready for race.
That's a guess.

They were supposed to use the test car for Arctic.

[Bobcat]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89099

[OldF]

By MTV3 web site the price of Fiesta RS WRC is 450.000 € / 370.000 £. Price of the latest Focus was 670.000 € / 550.000 £ so the price is down by 32%.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F01%2F1265539%2Fuusi-wrc-fiesta-irtoaa-puolella-miljoonalla

[Hartusvuori]

Wilson Sr (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89183). for Autosport:

"We have a good track record in Sweden, both of our drivers [Mikko Hirvonen and Jari-Matti Latvala] have won there, but Sweden is quite a specific event. At the same time, with the altitude, Mexico is a little bit the same in round two. I don't think it's until we're down at sea level in Portugal that we'll really see where we're at with the cars."


As part of its commitment to the WRC this season, Wilson's M-Sport firm will not run any Super 2000 cars at all this year, focusing its attentions only on running the Fiesta RS WRC.


"We've got nine cars running in Sweden," added Wilson. "But by Portugal we'll have 10. We're not going to release the cars to the customers just yet, that will come later in the season."

[Hartusvuori]

Pictures from inside of Fiesta RS WRC.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/01/1265433/talta-nayttaa-hirvosen-ja-latvalan-uuden-fiestan-ohjaamo---katso


http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2011/1075077.jpg

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2011/1075076.jpg

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2011/1075075.jpg

[Bobcat]

http://a.yfrog.com/img619/2808/2btqgy.jpg

[dimviii]

much nicer the fiesta! lets hope to be faster than focus too.

[Mirek]

Yeah, Fiesta looks muuuch better :)

[Hartusvuori]

Yeah, Fiesta looks muuuch better :)

And faster!

[PLuto]

By MTV3 web site the price of Fiesta RS WRC is 450.000 € / 370.000 £. Price of the latest Focus was 670.000 € / 550.000 £ so the price is down by 32%.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F01%2F1265539%2Fuusi-wrc-fiesta-irtoaa-puolella-miljoonalla

It is not possible to buy Ford Fiesta RS WRC now. So how can they found this prices...

[Brother John]

It is not possible to buy Ford Fiesta RS WRC now. So how can they found this prices...

http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0073.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-party-smiles.php)
There are on this forum too much new members (children) who think already of knowing everything better than the motorsport press!

[DonJippo]

It is not possible to buy Ford Fiesta RS WRC now. So how can they found this prices...

That information is from Malcolm Wilson and I believe he knows what the price is.

[mm1]

So who is the child now - Brother John with 4046 posts since 2005, or DonJippo with 7102 posts since 2001? Don`t take this post too seriously, though :)

[Mirek]

So who is the child now - Brother John with 4046 posts since 2005, or DonJippo with 7102 posts since 2001? Don`t take this post too seriously, though :)

And to make it even more funny, Pluto is motorsport press :D

[Brother John]

So who is the child now - Brother John with 4046 posts since 2005, or DonJippo with 7102 posts since 2001? Don`t take this post too seriously, though :)

The forum is no longer serious, for this reason many members have already here almost disappeared! http://serve.mysmiley.net/animated/anim_63.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-adult-smileys.php)

[Allar]

http://twitpic.com/3v86ay/full

I would be like a kid in a candy store there! :)

[N.O.T]

i thought they didn't have any spares to debut on artic lapland village event after Latvala crashed....

[Juha_Koo]

Just wondering are they so busy that they haven't had time to apply basecoat to the cars because they're not white, but "metal grey"... :confused: Or then the basic white has been changed to a silver type paint.

[Bobcat]

Ford Fiesta RS WRC Technical Specification: http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=38864

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs246.snc6/179425_1815805040681_1406751981_2063674_7874971_n. jpg

[OldF]

It is not possible to buy Ford Fiesta RS WRC now. So how can they found this prices...

Usually the price is set before sale, otherwise it would be called auction. ;)

[OldF]

Ford Fiesta RS WRC Technical Specification: http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=38864

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs246.snc6/179425_1815805040681_1406751981_2063674_7874971_n. jpg

Their been talking that the new WRCs will have less power compared to previous ones but still the 300 hp haunts around.

The 450 Nm torque I can believe. In fact I thought they would have less.

BTW, same information can be found on M-Sport web site also. http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/motorsport/the-rally-cars/ford-fiesta-rs-wrc

[alleskids]

Per-Gunnar Andersson will get his practising for the Fiesta WRCar with the Fiesta S2000 which is used by Henning Solberg in Monte carlo. M-Sport wil adjust the differential and a few other things - so that most resembled to the WRCar Fiesta.

[vkangas]

Their been talking that the new WRCs will have less power compared to previous ones but still the 300 hp haunts around.
The 300 hp has been pure PR for many years. Even private team WRC's have been dynoed to have over 360 hp. Over 370 hp is a realistic estimate for the latest 2.0 WRC's of Ford and Citroen.

[Mirek]

I don't want to say they are both same powerful but I also don't believe new public numbers. They were never real so why should they be now?

[bubbaontour]

The 300 hp has been pure PR for many years. Even private team WRC's have been dynoed to have over 360 hp. Over 370 hp is a realistic estimate for the latest 2.0 WRC's of Ford and Citroen.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Rolls around the floor with laughter.... thats the funniest thing i have heard in ages

[vkangas]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Rolls around the floor with laughter.... thats the funniest thing i have heard in ages

Please give more detailed explanation that what is so funny.

[Daniel]

Please give more detailed explanation that what is so funny.

Because he works or at least used to work for Prodrive and knows the actual figures that the cars get.

[Gard]

Because he works or at least used to work for Prodrive and knows the actual figures that the cars get.

That, could be true. Prodrive probably never got above 300hp with their setups. But the hp figure is a bit unrelevant. Group N also had about 300hp

[Mirek]

For sure they were above 300 Hp. Even Škoda with obsolete 20V engine was high above that number.

[Co-driven]

I've always heard that the WRC cars were limited to 300 hp (don't know whether it's true or not, but as I read on this thread it isn't).

I have a collection of 1/43 rally cars models. One of the C4's I have says in the back of the box a couple of informations. The one about the power of the engine says it has 320 hp.

[Mirek]

320 Hp was power of Škoda Octavia Evo II from 2002 ;)

The limiting factor was air flow given by restrictor size. It's not possible to limit actual power figures.

[BDunnell]

As I recall, it was certainly stated around the time of the banning of the Group B cars from WRC events after 1986 that their Group A 'successors' would have no more than 300bhp at their disposal. I suspect, though, that this was never formally applied. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I am will be able to clarify what is an interesting point.

[Micke_VOC]

Just wondering are they so busy that they haven't had time to apply basecoat to the cars because they're not white, but "metal grey"... :confused: Or then the basic white has been changed to a silver type paint.

Think they "tape" the whole car with stickers, color and everything..

Btw, PG´s Fiesta gonna be Blue and Yellow . ( as the Swedish flag)
"- It's like a tribute to those who helped and supported, says PG"

[AMSS]

320 Hp was power of Škoda Octavia Evo II from 2002 ;)

The limiting factor was air flow given by restrictor size. It's not possible to limit actual power figures.

Latest Focus WRC 343hp 870Nm torque, Fiesta almost same amount of HP but around 300Nm less torque. PS. very reliable source.

[OldF]

Latest Focus WRC 343hp 870Nm torque, Fiesta almost same amount of HP but around 300Nm less torque. PS. very reliable source.


Well, I don’t know what to believe anymore.

Is this a domestic or a works car?

As far as I know, power (in an engine) can’t be measured directly, only calculated with the formula P = T * angular velocity (correct me if I’m wrong).

Assuming the peak torque (870 Nm) is around 3000 rpm, the power at that stage would be P = 870 Nm * 3000 rpm * 0,0001424 = 372 PS.

Explanations needed.

If the Fiesta has about 300 Nm less torque, that would mean about 570 Nm. This is IMO quite high value for 1600 cc engine with 1,5 bar boost. 570 Nm is what an EVO 9 has with 32 mm restrictor and higher boost.

[Mirek]

The peak torque is lower. I don't know about Focus but in Fabia WRC it was around 2700 rpm I think and that was pretty bad engine.

[Rollo]

Is this a domestic or a works car?

As far as I know, power (in an engine) can’t be measured directly, only calculated with the formula P = T * angular velocity (correct me if I’m wrong).


That's why you connect a dynomometer up to either the crankshaft or flywheel (Engine Dyno) or a set of rollers (Chassis Dyno) and read off the figures from a computer.

kW = Nm*rpm / 9549 (as a rough guide).

343bhp out of a Focus WRC sounds entirely plausible. The RS500 Focus gets 353bhp without the restrictor plates.

[AMSS]

Well, I don’t know what to believe anymore.

Is this a domestic or a works car?

As far as I know, power (in an engine) can’t be measured directly, only calculated with the formula P = T * angular velocity (correct me if I’m wrong).

Assuming the peak torque (870 Nm) is around 3000 rpm, the power at that stage would be P = 870 Nm * 3000 rpm * 0,0001424 = 372 PS.

Explanations needed.

If the Fiesta has about 300 Nm less torque, that would mean about 570 Nm. This is IMO quite high value for 1600 cc engine with 1,5 bar boost. 570 Nm is what an EVO 9 has with 32 mm restrictor and higher boost.

The restrictor is 33mm and the boost is restricted to 2,5 bar boost.
All formulas are nice and indeed correct if you know what you are searching for, you are correct that the formula is as calculated for angular velocity, but what it doesn`t take into account for is that there are in this case 4 cylinders on a crankshaft working all with different ignition times etc. therefore you would have to calculate all of them together and divide it in a complicated way( basically what a good engine dyno does) and therefore it is not as easy as it would seem based from a formula.

And the data is for latest spec. works car!

[Zico]

There are some Interesting and positive comments from Jari-Matti in this weeks Motoring News regarding the Fiesta WRC, iirc he said that it had more power than the Focus, the centre of gravity felt improved over the Focus, it had fantastic turn in, very agile and on tarmac especially.. a big improvement with the rear of the car (where the focus 'dragged' the rear) and that they now have the extra 6th cog they had been crying out for.

I would be interested to know if his comments on power are based on perception or actual figures, the extra cog itself will improve acceleration a little and maybe they have found some more power from more accurate fuelling via the DI (Direct Injection) but could it be that these 1.6T engines possibly having greater bhp than torque by ratio compared to the old 2.0T means that they now use the full RPM range instead of short shifting and driving to the peak torque figures they used to previously which should in my mind at least would make it feel faster?

Thoughts?

[dimviii]

but could it be that these 1.6T engines possibly having greater bhp than torque by ratio compared to the old 2.0T means they now use the full RPM range instead of short shifting and driving to the peak torque figures they used to previously which should in my mind at least would make it feel faster?

Thoughts?

If they manage to climb through revs, is achievable,despite less cc.

[vkangas]

Christian Loriaux said to MTV3 that he thinks that in slow rallies like Cyprus Fiesta may be faster than Focus was. In fast rallies like Finland or Sweden Fiesta is most likely to be little bit slower.

[dimviii]

Christian Loriaux said to MTV3 that he thinks that in slow rallies like Cyprus Fiesta may be faster than Focus was. In fast rallies like Finland or Sweden Fiesta is most likely to be little bit slower.

Wait exactly the opposite imho

[vkangas]

Wait exactly the opposite imho
I'd stick with Loriaux. :) Generally high speed performance is worse with lower peak power. Shorter car with the lower center of gravity on the other hand is more agile taking slow corners.

[Donney]

I really hope they use the car in higher revs, if only for the fact that it is more spectacular for the spectator!!!

[dimviii]

I'd stick with Loriaux. :) Generally high speed performance is worse with lower peak power. Shorter car with the lower center of gravity on the other hand is more agile taking slow corners.

Dont stick with him,he looses constantly last years.lol

[N.O.T]

I expect the cars to look and be much slower that the WRCs....no matter what Lauriax, Ogier, Loeb, the pope and everyone who is involved and getting payed by the industry tells to the media to attract attention....

Use your head....you work for an industry and there are some major changes going on... the more people are interested the more money you will get....now would you go around and say to people that the new product will be worse than the one offered for some time, or you would just try and cover things up...

some of you know some stuff...the majority do not know nothing, and just post for the sake of it....and then i am the bad boy and the nuisance in here.

[Mirek]

I noticed that both engines of Citroën and Ford are short-stroke design (83x73,9 and 82x75,5 mm). That's exactly opposite to old two litre cars (except Subaru boxer).

[dimviii]

I noticed that both engines of Citroën and Ford are short-stroke design (83x73,9 and 82x75,5 mm). That's exactly opposite to old two litre cars (except Subaru boxer).

cause they have to rev.

[Mirek]

Yes, of course but these times even naturally aspirated S2000, which have higher rews, have often long-stroke design, especially Fabia with very long stroke (83x92,2).

[dimviii]

different situations.
Normally aspirated engines is piece of cake to rev even to 9500 rpm whatever bore x stroke they have,even local garages can do it.
in wrc we have restrictor less displacement,and you have to help the engine from design to breath better in high revs.Smaller cc cant make enough gases for turbo in low revs.High revs helped by small stroke.

[alleskids]

part of an interview that Malcolm Wilson gave http://www.therallysite.com/

We reckon we will need to build 15-16 World Rally Car versions for what we have planned. So maybe 20-25 of the 1.6-litre cars in all. Drivers have different sorts of programmes. If drivers want to run a World Rally Car for a single event, like PG Andersson in Sweden and Bernardo Sousa for Portugal, we can look at that. But we have set ourselves a limit of running ten cars on an individual WRC rally.

10 Ford drivers are doing more or less a full championship (Latvalla/Hirvonen/Al Qassimi/Ostberg/Kuipers/Block/Solberg/Villagra/Wilson and now Novikov?) which leaves hardly a Fiesta WRCar available for 1-off drivers. PG Anderson in Sweden, Bernardo Sousa in Portugal and Janne Touhino are confirmed. The rest will depend on the scedule of Novikov, Al Qassimi and Wilson. Also Rene Kuipers will not get many changes to drive the Fiesta WRCar. Even if he is the first privateer to buy the Fiesta WRCar, he still has the car to be run by M-Sport ?

[Roy]

http://twitpic.com/3v86ay/full

I would be like a kid in a candy store there! :)

Do some one mention the different rear wings on this picture. Some look like a s2000.

Watch this: http://yfrog.com/h8mwshhj

I don't understand why?

[Mirek]

different situations.
Normally aspirated engines is piece of cake to rev even to 9500 rpm whatever bore x stroke they have,even local garages can do it.
in wrc we have restrictor less displacement,and you have to help the engine from design to breath better in high revs.Smaller cc cant make enough gases for turbo in low revs.High revs helped by small stroke.

I don't think that it's so easy with naturally aspirated units. Just watch the piston speed, In my opinion 26+ m/s (similar as F1 engines) isn't something what an average garage can cope with, especially with only steel allowed (if it should work for more than few kilometers).

[AMSS]

I don't think that it's so easy with naturally aspirated units. Just watch the piston speed, In my opinion 26+ m/s (similar as F1 engines) isn't something what an average garage can cope with, especially with only steel allowed (if it should work for more than few kilometers).
I completely agree with Mirek, the revolving masses will be very high for a normally stroked car with oem materials, in F1 the stroke was somewhere around 30mm for the V10 engines which you understand when they reved up to 20000rpm...

[Roy]

Do some one mention the different rear wings on this picture. Some look like a s2000.

Watch this: http://yfrog.com/h8mwshhj

I don't understand why?

Problem solved http://t.co/aGCO1F3

[alleskids]

Do some one mention the different rear wings on this picture. Some look like a s2000.

Watch this: http://yfrog.com/h8mwshhj

I don't understand why?

I think it is a 2 piece wing. all cars have the basis "thing" on, and only 1 car has the second piece fit to the car.

[dimviii]

I don't think that it's so easy with naturally aspirated units. Just watch the piston speed, In my opinion 26+ m/s (similar as F1 engines) isn't something what an average garage can cope with, especially with only steel allowed (if it should work for more than few kilometers).

Honda engines vtec/vti/s2000 rev with ease at 9000rpm as you get them from factory,and with a factory quarantee for 100k kms.Peugeot 106 s16 in grA from local garages make power at 8500rpm.and some at more rpms.I am talking about engines that they last thousands of kms.Of course peugeots have different pistons/rods/cams but nothing with extraordinary materials.
280-300bhp from a natural aspirated 2000cc 4 cyl engine is not new.Before 30 years even with dual carbs (and not with high end electronics )were winning championships at rallies with 300km special stages.

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport Stobart Ford Rally Team 2011 livery:

http://www.wrc.com/drivers-and-teams/teams/m-sport-stobart-ford-rally-team/?teamid=7

[Zico]

I expect the cars to look and be much slower that the WRCs....no matter what Lauriax, Ogier, Loeb, the pope and everyone who is involved and getting payed by the industry tells to the media to attract attention....

Use your head....you work for an industry and there are some major changes going on... the more people are interested the more money you will get....now would you go around and say to people that the new product will be worse than the one offered for some time, or you would just try and cover things up...

some of you know some stuff...the majority do not know nothing, and just post for the sake of it....and then i am the bad boy and the nuisance in here.

I wish you were more of an optimist! They obviously wont be as quick over a stage because of the slower more 'sideways' driving style they will have to adopt due to having no centre diff, they will have to throw it into corners much more. They will also be revving higher and so will sound faster.. combining both factors they should be more spectacular to watch.

The new regs are not my ultimate ones but I do think the changes are all positive, Im really looking forwards to this season for the 1st time in quite a few years, I dont care if they are a little slower than the old cars over a stage, as long as they provide more spectacle.. thats all that matters to me.

[Fri]

PG's Fiesta livery:
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2011/02/02-05-wrc_andersson_fiestawrc_dekor.htm

[Bobcat]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled.php?tn=0&server=619&filename=yh8fd.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs043.snc6/167334_1822768454762_1406751981_2074946_7057422_n. jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs291.snc6/181974_1823685117678_1406751981_2076220_3204799_n. jpg

[Sulland]

How much alike are the S2000 Fiesta and the WRC version to drive ? Will driving the s2000 give you training for the WRC?

[Mirek]

For sure yes.

[Coach 2]

If anyone wonders whether there will be spectacular and see the new WRC cars, I can assure you, the sound, speed and appearance are fabulous. I've been on the test today with Stobart team, Østberg was brilliant.
Look forward to the Swedish Rally with joy.

[Micke_VOC]

If anyone wonders whether there will be spectacular and see the new WRC cars, I can assure you, the sound, speed and appearance are fabulous. I've been on the test today with Stobart team, Østberg was brilliant.
Look forward to the Swedish Rally with joy.

I was there to. The sound of the fiesta , i love it !!!

[Coach 2]

As N.O.T. wrote, they are the most probable slower than last year's WRC cars, but they look and feel faster. And as I see it, that is most important for both new and experienced spectators.

[Bobcat]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs049.snc6/167922_497256652023_692847023_6596192_862794_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/181350_497257027023_692847023_6596200_3824229_n.jp g

[TyPat107]

Can anyone explain why the rear struts are laying back at such an angle? They look to be parallel to the front struts, though th rear doesn't need caster like the front :confused:

[AMSS]

Can anyone explain why the rear struts are laying back at such an angle? They look to be parallel to the front struts, though th rear doesn't need caster like the front :confused:

The rules state that you must be able to switch front and rear dampers, meaning the pickup points must be the same, and the leaning is for them to be able to have long stroke. PS. Allthough the front dampers lean quit much this doesn`t mean they have that much caster, it`s the pickup points for the upright that makes the caster angle..

[Roy]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs049.snc6/167922_497256652023_692847023_6596192_862794_n.jpg

So still Stobart on the car and... a Santander logo...
Very boring livery



[img]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/181350_497257027023_692847023_6596200_3824229_n.jp g

No Castrol Edge, but Mobil 1. Strange.

[Fri]

No Castrol Edge, but Mobil 1. Strange.[/QUOTE]

And Pirelli on the windscreen!

[Bobcat]

http://www.focusrs.ch/~ne0dyme/images/fiestawrc/PG_5.jpg

[Plan9]

where did you guys get those awesome photos of the fords? I assume as Ken is sponsored by Pirelli he will be using their tyres this year instead of Michelin? What does Henning's car look like?

[Walach]

Micke Lindh´s gallery on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=609654&id=822440466

Henning´s car is now just orange :

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167498_10150387644055467_822440466_17043736_231895 3_n.jpg

[ProRally]

where did you guys get those awesome photos of the fords? I assume as Ken is sponsored by Pirelli he will be using their tyres this year instead of Michelin? What does Henning's car look like?

???????? Only Michelin and D-Mack tyres in WRC this season.....

[noel157]

I suppose Block can have whatever stickers he wants on the car as long as he still uses Michelin or D-Mack or is there a regulation stating that the correct stickers must be used? (there usually is).

[rsmith16]

Micke Lindh´s gallery on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=609654&id=822440466

Henning´s car is now just orange :

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167498_10150387644055467_822440466_17043736_231895 3_n.jpg

Could he have been using a S2000 car earlier in the test session?

[Gard]

Could he have been using a S2000 car earlier in the test session?

The plain orange one is the WRC and the one with stickers is S2000

[alleskids]

M-Sport Stobart is cutting the budget for the stickers department? Both Wilson and Ostberg have boring cars. I was hoping for some nice Coca Cola and Dekko logo's on a Ostberg's (black) car. Hopefully he has taken a good look at PG 's Sweden flaged car and Brynildsens Norwegian car.

[Roy]

M-Sport Stobart is cutting the budget for the stickers department? Both Wilson and Ostberg have boring cars. I was hoping for some nice Coca Cola and Dekko logo's on a Ostberg's (black) car. Hopefully he has taken a good look at PG 's Sweden flaged car and Brynildsens Norwegian car.

Coca Cola is on the other side of the car. But indeed it's boring, although the car looks much better in video action than a still photopic.
Do I think right there come more stickers on Hennings car?

[cardy]

this is how you launch a car :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRpSsCRf4aI

[Daniel]

this is how you launch a car :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRpSsCRf4aI

No, that's how to look like a fool and appear as if you don't know anything about rallying.

[dimviii]

this is how you launch a car :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRpSsCRf4aI

i d say thats the way to make money even if you passed from s2000 cars @ss

[N.O.T]

Its a pity that block tries to bring the hooligan/rap/drift mentality to his WRC project... but i guess the american market likes that and since he makes money out of it then its ok.

By the way...i think with the bank account (what do the swiss magazines and finish media say it is ?? 55 billions ??) he has he could hire some real models instead of transvestites