2010 IRC Rally Islas Canarias

[[Madeira-Rally]]

That's a "stupid" rule... because almost all drivers break it!

Even in local rallys, the rule exists, but everyone knows that everybody is breaking the rule... and nothing happen!

In local Madeira Rallys you have 2 specific days for recce, but any driver respect the rule... that's very common everywhere, like Mirek wrote...

[Francis44]

Thats dosen't make sense.

The organisation of the rally has no right to prevent a driver from getting through the roads an week earlier if the road is open to the public, dont forget drivers are citizens and therefore they have the same rights.

[Mirek]

There are of course exceptions for drivers who use stages on journey to work etc. but they are obliged to inform rally organization. Those rules work for many years. It's just about the way they are applied and sense of fair play.

And yes, they can prevent drivers from driving on public roads :) The reason is that when driver enters event, it means he agrees with suplementary regulations. Recce rules are part of them. Maybe better to say, they can't stop them doing that but they can punish them - refuse to accept entry form, give some penalty etc. Organizer should also inform ASN.

[wwbroe]

Shouldn't stage 7 and 8 be live now, i don't see any results of stage 7 yet?

[Mirek]

Stage 7 started at 19:03 (there was 30 min delay). Juho must be close to finish now.

[RS]

Meeke fastest again. I doubt Kopecky can do anything about this lead now.

[Madeira]

no time for Vallejo yet....

[Mirek]

His time appeared now, he is late (2 mins penalty).

[Luis Pacheco]

He was penalized at SP and his starting out of his order.

[Madeira]

]His time appeared now, he is late (2 mins penalty).
I see, thanks ;)

[Mirek]

Hänninen doesn't have penalty, it's mistake...

[fmcv]

Hi, Guys...
Just arrived
Meeke with a flat tyre...???

[RS]

Rally radio saying zero car and Meeke both have punctures.

[Madeira]

zero car(Ferrari) finish SS8 with a puncture...

[Luis Pacheco]

The canarian radio tells Wilks had a flat tyre too. :confused:

[Mirek]

No, Wilks is safe and perfect ;)

Juho overheated tyres on stages and lost few seconds...

[Luis Pacheco]

They (radio canarian) speaks to fast and some times is not easy to understand the spanish. :D

[Luis Pacheco]

Another bad time for Hevia.

[Mirek]

Hevia said he drives slowly with Vallejo down behind. He has no targets in IRC.

[Madeira]

3 in row for Skoda after SS8!!

[wwbroe]

Bad luck for Chris this time, he had puncture and drppoed back to 6th overall. Looks like his luck is changing. :(

[Mirek]

Let's not underestimate Kris, he is able of big things ;)

[fmcv]

Well, I have some ability to understand Spanish, even with accent because I was born near the border and lived there until I was 18... So I clearly heard the puncture statement on radio...

[Madeira]

Punctures for Neuvile and Wittmann

[Mirek]

Peugeot disaster in this stage...

[RS]

I think the Peugeot puncture problem (at least on Meeke's car) is a repeat of the problem they had on Madeira last year.

[fmcv]

Last SS could be suspended. Too much spectators...

[Luis Pacheco]

Last stage could be canceled. Too many spectators, said the canarian radio.

Francisco was faster than me... :D

[fmcv]

we are not racing Luis...

But it is confirmed: no more rally today.

[Mirek]

Photos from leg one including roll of Anxustegi: http://pepafotorally.rajce.idnes.cz/100430_Rally_Islas_Canarias/#album

[fmcv]

Goog morning everyone! The rally is on!
BTW, great photos, great spot choices.

[Mirek]

Jose Suarez (No. 20) out, mechanical

[Wim_Impreza]

A pity, Suárez was by far the most spectacular driver in the Eurosport coverage.

[fmcv]

nº 19, Bolanos, is also out.

[eloyf1]

Part of what happened yesterday on SS9:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5cwRry5lKs

[HaCo]

Hanninen fastest for now...

[RS]

Meeke through, quickest. He may be able to take Magalhaes by the end.

[fmcv]

Meeke through, quickest. He may be able to take Magalhaes by the end.
It will be a close battle. According to yesterday's differences and to the extension of today SS i would think it wouldn't be possible but after Meeke's performance in this stage I begin to believe...

[fmcv]

problems for Vallejo. Witmann had an accident? Heard it on radio but I only caught the end of the report and i'm not sure of what happened.

[Luis Pacheco]

Wittmann went off.

[fmcv]

Thanks, Luis.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

It's a pity to not see Simon competing :(

http://img5.rajce.idnes.cz/d0508/3/3362/3362372_d3e93f1647029a04d930abe48cfc3f7f/images/238.jpg

[RS]

Oliveira also out with mechanical problems.

[noel157]

It will be a close battle. According to yesterday's differences and to the extension of today SS i would think it wouldn't be possible but after Meeke's performance in this stage I begin to believe...

You never know but he needs to pull 26 + secs back with limited stages left..

[Madeira]

The explanation about Kris's puncture yesterday...

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/van_dalen_meeke_wont_give_up_on_gran_canaria/

[fmcv]

Well, after all it seems that Magalhaes will be able to defend his position.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Thierry Neuville is having a great performance in Canarias..

He still a bit far away from top times, but, he is losing less time than I expected before the rally.

[Mirek]

Well, after all it seems that Magalhaes will be able to defend his position.

If he won't let Kris pass. I think that it's possible also.

[HaCo]

Poor Vallejo, without power steering in such road must be very hard!

[Madeira]

Does anyone knows which mechanical problem cause Oliveira's retirement?
Thanks

[fmcv]

]If he won't let Kris pass. I think that it's possible also.
I don't think so. Although the Peugeot Teams can share some things, they still have complete authonomy.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Jonathan Perez car...

http://xs.to/image-A121_4BDBFD56.jpg~

http://www.canarias7.es/fotos/o/1004/166987-2g.jpg

[Mirek]

Does anyone knows which mechanical problem cause Oliveira's retirement?
Thanks

Engine

[Madeira]

]Engine
Thank you Mirek ;)

[RICARDO75]

]Jonathan Perez car...

http://xs.to/image-A121_4BDBFD56.jpg~

http://www.canarias7.es/fotos/o/1004/166987-2g.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXN7x1O541k&translated=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_49mVFUWk4&translated=1

[Madeira]

Video from Leg one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Uy4tTPeHw

[Mirek]

Vallejo continues without power steering - no spares probably.

[RS]

No team orders for Skoda: http://www.ircseries.com/html/readNews.asp?id=1736

[RS]

That time by Magalhaes can't be right?!

Edit: It wasn't, now 4.3 on Hanninen.

But Meeke takes 13s out of Bruno!

[HaCo]

That time by Magalhaes can't be right?!

Only skoda's can drive that fast? :p

[Mirek]

It was my mistake ;)

[Luis Pacheco]

The stage is stoped.

[Mirek]

Neuville crashed?

[Luis Pacheco]

The information from radio is that Neuville has crashed but they don´t have confirmation.

[RICARDO75]

Neuville crashed and broke suspension

[RS]

Jan's first win of the year, 4 different winners this year!

Great drive by Hanninen too.

[tolis]

Congratulations to Kopecky for the win!!! Great drive by Juho on tarmac!!!

[RS]

Wilks through, 2nd Skoda 1-2-3 in a row :up:

[Mirek]

Bruno let Meeke pass.

[RS]

I think Bruno slowed down for Meeke...

[Luis Pacheco]

Magalhães told canarian radio he had to respect team orders.
One point more for Meeke could be important in the end of the year.

[RS]

Magalhães told canarian radio he had to respect team orders.
One point more for Meeke could be important in the end of the year.

Yes, I'm sure Peugeot Portugal will get a return favour from Peugeot Sport for this...

[Wasted Talent]

Brilliant drive from Meeke though, he hasn't really had any luck this year but certainly looks to be the fastest driver

WT

[noel157]

Brilliant drive from Meeke though, he hasn't really had any luck this year but certainly looks to be the fastest driver

WT

He is the fastest driver, little doubt about that.

[Mirek]

Yes, he is. This season he was just moved to the role of a fox with hunters behind. Once again Skoda defeated Peugeot by it's own weapons which worked that well in previous years - lots of competitive drivers covering each others back.

[RS]

Hanninen is closing fast though. It will be interesting to see if Juho can keep up his new tarmac pace on the following rounds and whether he can dominate gravel events like he did in Argentina.

Plus we have the Evo2 Fabia yet to debut and possible developments from Peugeot too...

[noel157]

]Yes, he is. This season he was just moved to the role of a fox with hunters behind. Once again Skoda defeated Peugeot by it's own weapons which worked that well in previous years - lots of competitive drivers covering each others back.

I agree Mirek, tables are turned. But Sardinia will be difficult for Peugeot but Meeke will no doubt try his hardest as will everybody else.

[ZequeArgentina]

Good rally for Skoda once more, itlooks Meeke is just getting those small things that get him out ofwin!

One thing to commetn: have you noticed the timesof the old BMW M3 (E30) with over 20 years old!!!
Even Ponce, great knowledge of Canaria, but old too have posted incredible tiems, and always really nice to watch (have to press "All" in IRC-resuts site to see the M3 times)

[HaCo]

Pitty, pitty for Neuville :(

Great drive from Skoda!

[Luis Pacheco]

In the 90´s Ponce won this event with the BMW M3 in front of some Escorts RS and Kit-Cars.

[Allyc85]

14th place for Dan Barry in his Evo 9 after an over heating engine and no anti-lag for the whole event and a blown diff for the last stage. Great result considering :D

[bluuford]

I don't think so. Although the Peugeot Teams can share some things, they still have complete authonomy.

Bon appétit ;-)

Its a team sport

[Mirek]

Very spectacular video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uABYx_Sdv50

[Madeira]

]Very spectacular video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uABYx_Sdv50
Thanks!! really five stars this images!!

[HaCo]

Yep, great spot!

Any more info on the off of Neuville?

[Francis44]

Pitty for Magalhães, Meeke said he got to 4th position with Bruno help, so I guess he lost time to let Meeke pass him on the overall classification of the rally.

Bruno showed speed this rally and I think he still has room for improvement, his biggest downside his the lack of competition on the National Championship, he was fast on two stages and then he just had to control, and that's why he loses time on big stages.
In my opinion he is the future of Portuguese rallying, and I wish the best for him.

[Luis Pacheco]

Pitty for Magalhães, Meeke said he got to 4th position with Bruno help, so I guess he lost time to let Meeke pass him on the overall classification of the rally.


I was listening Las Palmas Radio and at the end of the last stage Bruno told with all the letters that he obey team orders to stop.

[Bobcat]

]Vallejo continues without power steering - no spares probably.
Probably, you're wrong. http://www.ircseries.com/html/readNews.asp?id=1738

[noel157]

I was listening Las Palmas Radio and at the end of the last stage Bruno told with all the letters that he obey team orders to stop.

Bruno pulled in for 10 secs or so just before stage finish.

[Mirek]

Accident Oliveira RZ1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyu3KanFy00

[Sergio-Rallymax]

Picture of the state of Franz Wittmann vehicle after the accident. As a curiosity one can see that Toni Gardemeister appears on the back-right of the photograph.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4568909617_5588df54d7_o.jpg

[COD]

Picture of the state of Franz Wittmann vehicle after the accident. As a curiosity one can see that Toni Gardemeister appears on the back-right of the photograph.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4568909617_5588df54d7_o.jpg

Of course Garde is there, the man who can find all the places for accidents :laugh:

[Mirek]

A crazy corner by Kris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMojumDhEGQ

Driving like this can easily cut tyre by the way...

[fmcv]

Mirek, You were right.

Tactics made Magalhães slow down in Meeke's benefit. But I really can't understand this. Ok, Meeke is the only peugeot driver who can challenge the Skodas... The crew may be the same for both drivers but one thing is really different: the origin of the money.

I Just wrote an article explainig this. How can a sponsor be happy when his driver deliberately pulls back? We are not talking about Ford/Citroen tactics here...

And I still remember that in Portugal there was a "novel" in the beggining of the season in what concerns sponsoring our main drivers. Eventually Magalhães and Armindo Araujo could find the money. How is it going to be next year? For sure this does not help...

[Mirek]

According to my information Bruno gets some reasonable money for IRC from Peugeot Sport but I don't have it confirmed though.

[Francis44]

I dont think Peugeout Portugal would allow this move if they hadn't something to get in return.

Perhaps support for Bruno in Ypres and Barum, who knows??

Otherwise I would not seem him stop, although if it was me and Meeke ask me to let him pass, if I said no, I would have made a silly of myself.

[RS]

It's a pity Bruno had the small transmission problem on Friday otherwise he might not have been in this position and might have been able to challenge for a podium.

I am sure Bruno will be rewarded for helping Meeke out here.

[Mirek]

Josef Petrů add photos from leg 3: http://pepafotorally.rajce.idnes.cz/100430_Rally_Islas_Canarias/

[polo10]

]Don't get me wrong but if some rule is not controled, it doesn't automatically mean there is no such rule.

If there are no policemen on the roads with radar it also doesn't mean that allowed speed is unlimited although You can drive that way ;)


Sorry but, when the organisers open one road ,that is normally closed, to recce and see everybody going around more than 2,3,4 what can you tell me???..Every pilot before last year done more than 2 run in recce in Madeira, i only answer someone that says Campos and Adruzilo done it always in Madeira, and i said that everyone done it, the organisers said, you have two days to recce so do it...until last year was like this , so those two drivers only done what everybody did

[Mirek]

You still, don't understand my point. The rule exist and is included in European Championship Regulations, therefore it applies for Madeira also. That is fact. How it is taken in reality is another thing and organizer's problem.

[RICARDO75]

Videos from all drivers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiW2z35ZoqA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN3v0uffBNs&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMKQmM85JPk&feature=player_embedded

[polo10]

]You still, don't understand my point. The rule exist and is included in European Championship Regulations, therefore it applies for Madeira also. That is fact. How it is taken in reality is another thing and organizer's problem.

Ok i understand your point of view and you are pro bably right, but my first post was in answer to someone that told that saw Campos and Lopes doing, and they were not the only one to do it, in Madeira before last year EVERYBODY done it with the knowledge of the organisers, understand me
?

[dimviii]

Videos from all drivers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiW2z35ZoqA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN3v0uffBNs&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMKQmM85JPk&feature=player_embedded

:eek: :eek: 3,52 & 4,25 of 1st video Air Meeke!!

[RS]

:eek: :eek: 3,52 & 4,25 of 1st video Air Meeke!!

You can really see how hard all the top drivers are pushing in that first video, using all of the road.. especially Meeke!

[eloyf1]

You can watch some coverage from Spanish Championship on http://www.planetaras.tv

There is quite a lot onboard images in "Crónica"

[RICARDO75]

Still no pickems results from this rally

[Mirek]

GREAT video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyIDM-_t4MQ&feature=player_embedded

[Mirek]

Onboards of Kris Meeke: http://www.mediasport.cz/rally-cz/onboard-irc-videa

[dimviii]

@2,23 :eek:
http://www.mediasport.cz/rally-cz/video/10_canarie_meeke_10.html

mpressive steady/calm driving by Meeke