Rally Jordan 2010

[bluuford]

Well, cannot wait next rally :-)

Official site: http://www.jordanrally.com/
Very interesting website, there is written: live tracking. What does it mean?

Anyway, closing date for entries was 1 of March and we know the following:

WRC:
1 Loeb Citroen
2 Sordo Citroen
3 Hirvonen Ford
4 Latvala Ford
5 Wilson Ford
6 Räikkönen Citroen
7 Ogier Citroen
8 Solberg P Citroen
9 Solberg H Ford
10 Villagra Ford

SWRC:
1 Tuohino Ford
2 Pons Ford
3 Sousa Ford
4 Al Attyah SkodaS2000
5 Sandell SkodaS2000
6 Brynildsen SkodaS2000
7 Kocziusko Ford
8 Ketomaa Ford

PWRC:
1 Araujo Mitsu EvoX
3 Semerad Mitsu Evo9
4 Baldoni Mitsu EvoX
5 Mayer Subaru
6 Linari Subaru
7 Nobre Mitsu
8 Muhonen Mitsu
9 Wang Rui ???
10 Flodin Subaru
11 Georgiou ???

Possible entrants:
WRC:
1. Qassimi Ford

Other:
1. McRae Proton
2. Any other Pirelli driver wishing to take full campaign in PWRC

So, 29 confirmed so far and many more local and regional drivers expected.

[Barreis]

Can't wait for it.. :)

[Camelopard]

I'll be there, enjoying the great hospitality that this area has to offer.

[RS]

sWRC should be interesting in Jordan. Pons was good in Mexico and for Jordan we have some of the guys who did Sweden back again plus Ketomaa who seems highly rated on here and the impressive Kocziusko.

[Langdale Forest]

The 41.45km Jordan River stage should be epic, especially as it is run twice. :)
Loeb will probably win, with Hirvonen second and possibly Solberg 3rd.

[EavesFan09]

The 41.45km Jordan River stage should be epic, especially as it is run twice. :)
Loeb will probably win, with Hirvonen second and possibly Solberg 3rd.

:confused:

[Langdale Forest]

;)

[bluuford]

sWRC should be interesting in Jordan. Pons was good in Mexico and for Jordan we have some of the guys who did Sweden back again plus Ketomaa who seems highly rated on here and the impressive Kocziusko.

I would say 6 out of 8 drivers are able to win that thing. It is going to be very nice :-)

[Viking]

It will be something different with the Thursday-Saturday format, one more workday destroyd for me :)

[Wim_Impreza]

6 drivers, that is more than I think (Pons, Al-Attiyah, Kościuszko, Ketomaa). Tuohino is an outsider for me and Sandell is overrated.

I hope Brynildsen has a good rally without mistakes.

[snellman]

will loeb be the cleaning lady on day one, or how doe's this work?

[bluuford]

6 drivers, that is more than I think (Pons, Al-Attiyah, Kościuszko, Ketomaa). Tuohino is an outsider for me and Sandell is overrated.

I hope Brynildsen has a good rally without mistakes.

Well, I meant Tuohino and Brynildsen additionally to those four you mentioned on the brackets. Tuohino can be very good so as Brynildsen (bit more consistency is needed for the last mentioned Norwegian). Tuohino can be very consistent and save a car which is very important when the competition is close and the name of the rally is Jordan.

[bluuford]

will loeb be the cleaning lady on day one, or how doe's this work?

Yes he cleans but who is third on the road? Ogier or Latvala? both have same amount of points, same amount of same places and both are P1 drivers :-) I assume that according to tie brake rule they take into account the results of the first stage of the year where Ogier was 2nd and Latvala 5th. that means Ogier should be third on the road? But at the same time first stage was SSS, so if they take second stage then Latvala was one place ahead...

[Leon]

Loeb will win because Rautenbah will not participate...

[pettersolberg29]

Is the sweeping effect important in Jordan? Struggling to remember last time.
My early prediction is also for Loeb-Mikko-Petter but with the battle being much tighter than usual.

[nr7wave]

Is the sweeping effect important in Jordan? Struggling to remember last time.
My early prediction is also for Loeb-Mikko-Petter but with the battle being much tighter than usual.

In an intervjue with viasat motor after his 2. nd place this weekend, Petter said that Jordan is at bit similar to day 1 in Mexico. The cleaning effect is'nt that huge as it was this weekend. There's not so much loose gravel. First on the road will deifnetly be a disadvatage, but not as much as in Mexico. Further more he stated that he would take on Rally Jordan with a more tactical approach.
I think there is good chance that Petter can win Rally Jordan. He has the perfect starting position and with a more tactical drive, he can bring home his first win since 05 :)

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb will win because Rautenbach will not participate...

:rotflmao:

[alleskids]

Rautenbach drives for Ford now....Maybe Malcolm is thing of revenge for the Mexico tactics of Citroen :)

Will there be wild cards in PWRC ad SWRC?

[Mirek]

Rautenbach is really said to drive for Ford later in the season but this weekend drove official Prodrive N16 Impreza in Tour of Natal ;)

[Viridian Black]

Loeb will win because Rautenbah will not participate...
haha :p

[ProRally]

Just confirmed my trip, will be going there too.

[Micke_VOC]

PG is trying to drive Jordan to...

[alleskids]

JM Racing has to enter the SWRC to have PG keep his points. Are they allowed to do only 6 instead of 7 and still keep their points? The points won in Sweden will be lost for the team?

[Moriarty]

I had seen Jordan rally in 2008 and drove through all country. If you have any question contact me there or write to PM.

[Micke_VOC]

PG´s late entry in Jordan is approved..and Jonas Andersson is back as codriver...

[pantealex]

Entrylist from:
http://www.jordanrally.com/wrc_2010/static/pdf/new_2010/WRC_Entry_List.pdf

Notes:
-47 Tommi Mäkinen Racing Oy as entrant, so they are in PWRC
-PG is in
-only 11 WRC
-8 SWRC (+PG maybe?)
-10 PWRC
-36 cars total

[alleskids]

will Saudi driver Yazeed Al Hajhri be the Jordan Rally wildcard

[tolis]

So, is this the final entry list???

[Mirek]

Wau, PG enterd as RUFA Rally Team? That's interesting news.

[ProRally]

Mr Pavlides with TMR also interesting. With Nasser's 'old' co-driver...

[alleskids]

Anders Grondal has entered PWRC 2010, but has no (P3) FIA Priority in Jordan?

[bluuford]

Anders Grondal has entered PWRC 2010, but has no (P3) FIA Priority in Jordan?

He didn't nominate Jordan, Mexico and Germany

[bluuford]

will Saudi driver Yazeed Al Hajhri be the Jordan Rally wildcard

I think that they can nominate only local, that means Jordan drivers as wild cards.

[alleskids]

thanks Bluuford. so no regional/Arabic drivers to promote in SWRC or PWRC

[tolis]

So,did Amjad Farrah enter as a wildcard with his URT Impreza or will he do the PWRC?

[bluuford]

So,did Amjad Farrah enter as a wildcard with his URT Impreza or will he do the PWRC?

Number 49 and 50 are Wildcards, Farrah has 49. So, he will be Wildcard entry in PWRC.
Flodin is with URT Impreza?

[tolis]

Number 49 and 50 are Wildcards, Farrah has 49. So, he will be Wildcard entry in PWRC.
Flodin is with URT Impreza?
Thanks bluuford. ;) Yeah, I think that Flodin will be there with his URT Impreza.

[muscrae]

Seeded entry list for Rally Jordan is published.

http://www.jordanrally.com/wrc_2010/static/pdf/new_2010/WRC_Entry_List.pdf

61 - RUFA Rally Team - ANDERSSON, Per Gunnar - Skoda Fabia S2000

60 - GRONDAL, Anders - Subaru Impreza

Only two local drivers are registered so far, amazing. :eek:

[anesa]

I believe unfortunately Anders will not make it to Jordan...

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.norsk-rally.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26vie w%3Darticle%26id%3D6810%3Adet-blir-ikke-rally-jordan-for-anders-grondal&sl=no&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 :( :(

[Hartusvuori]

Seeded entry list for Rally Jordan is published.

http://www.jordanrally.com/wrc_2010/static/pdf/new_2010/WRC_Entry_List.pdf

That's not seeded list, right?

[bluuford]

That's not seeded list, right?

right

[muscrae]

That's not seeded list, right?

WRC.com : "Jordan Rally entries announced
The organisers of the Jordan Rally have published the seeded entry list for this year's event, round three of the World Championship season, which starts on 1 April."

But, it's not obviously especially for Non-priority drivers.

"Non-Priority Drivers are listed according to date of receipt of Entry Form"

[bluuford]

WRC.com : "Jordan Rally entries announced
The organisers of the Jordan Rally have published the seeded entry list for this year's event, round three of the World Championship season, which starts on 1 April."

But, it's not obviously especially for Non-priority drivers.

"Non-Priority Drivers are listed according to date of receipt of Entry Form"

Seeded means according to the last available championship standings. That means Loeb, Mikko, Latvala or Ogier, etc. Currently it is just entry list accepted by organizers.

[PLuto]

Al Qassimi wont start in WRC Rally Jordan... (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=10047)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ffda42ee0371964a1ada56955224c24a.jpg

[Red bull]

what happened to al qassami?

[PLuto]

He will start only in MERC with Fiesta (only second and third day)

[Red bull]

that means as a priveteer not supported by bp abudhabi ford?

[PLuto]

He will start with M-Sport Fiesta, usual car which he use in MERC.

[cercle]

Does anyone know his further program?
Does he start in Turkey with the WRC?

[alleskids]

Al Qassimi's program is: Jordan /Turkey /Portugal /Finland /Germany /France /Spain /Great Brittain. Plus the remaining rallies of MERC

[Wim_Impreza]

Lol, there will be more WRC's in the Tank S Rally this weekend then in Jordan.

[bluuford]

In another thread I also mentioned that Karl Kruuda changed his car from Civic to Swift S1600

[RICARDO75]

ENTRY LIST:

WRC: http://www.jordanrally.com/wrc_2010/static/pdf/new_2010/WRC_Entry_List.pdf
MERC: http://www.jordanrally.com/MERC_2010/static/pdf/2010/Entry-list.pdf

[Wim_Impreza]

34 cars again, really bad.

[bluuford]

64 in total is not that bad just 30 of them will not appear in WRC.com classification table.

[I am evil Homer]

what happened to al qassami?

He ran out of talent i'd imagine. Luckily he's got rich backers...

[Hartusvuori]

I was just having a quick look at the review of Jordan 2008. al-Qassimi described the stages being at times hard as tarmac, and also with breaking points hard to spot, saying the driving style of wet tarmac suits well in Jordan (also the loose gravel making going sideways very much not prefered). Sordo and Loeb were very strong, though Hirvonen and JML not being that much behind, at the end being at front actually. It was also nice to be reminded that there were straights with top speed over 200 km/h, but winner Hirvonen's avarage speed was only 88,8 km/h.

Now the question is, as we have read the heavy rains destroyed much of the roads that are being used as stages. They've been rebuilt, but could've this left the road surface softer than in 2008 edition. Also the nature of loose gravel could be different. So in this sense this year's Rally Jordan could have much different profile than that of 2008.

One talking point of Rally Jordan is always that it runs below the sea level where as previous round Mexico was at higher altitude, which is believed (and proofed) to be more favourable for Citroens. Jordan climbs higher altitudes as well, at highest over 1 700 metres, but that still is lower than the low point of Rally Mexico, 1 800 metres.

[bluuford]

Yeah, and remember that this time there will be over 60 cars passing the stages and most of hem are 4WD cars..

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Jordan Rally : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm

[tolis]

Italian Gianluca Linari won't start in Jordan. Source: http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7264&desc=P-WRC%3A+Flodin+set+for+Jordan+comeback

[RICARDO75]

Monday test

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=930&fotograf=100&all=1

[Boudica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT86Dlnhg28&feature=player_embedded

[bluuford]

Any results/news from shakedown? Just as a remind for everyone that Jordan rally starts on Thursday morning and therefore shakedown is currently live.

[Wim_Impreza]

This is the first time in all these years that I am to late for a pickem. It really shows my interest these days in WRC I think.

[bluuford]

I think that this is also first time of years when the shakedown is on Wednesday and real WRC rally starts on Thursday morning.

[Boudica]

Any results/news from shakedown? Just as a remind for everyone that Jordan rally starts on Thursday morning and therefore shakedown is currently live.

I thought the shakedown was starting at 10, in an hours time?

[bluuford]

No, Jordan has the same time as Estonia and it is 10:12 in here right now. According to the rally program, shakedown for P1 and P2 drivers starts at 8:00.

[Boudica]

No, Jordan has the same time as Estonia and it is 10:12 in here right now. According to the rally program, shakedown for P1 and P2 drivers starts at 8:00.

Okay thanks. Lol and thought it was in the same timezone as SA, GTM +2.

It certainly doesn't seem like there is a big interest in rally Jordan.

[Boudica]

Shakedown: - 3 runs at Shakedown so far, everything good! Car is perfect!

source : Citroen's Website







[JFL]

3 runs for Petter.. 2nd.time so far.. Perfect car..

[Boudica]

After two runs in the shakedown, Petter Solberg heads Sébastien Ogier, Dani Sordo and Mikko Hirvonen...:

[JFL]

Shakedown times, Jordan Rally;

Loeb, Citroën 1.13,4

Petter, Citroën 1.13,5

Sordo, Citroën 1.13,5

Latvala, Ford 1.13,7

Hirvonen, Ford 1.13,8

Ogier, Citroën 1.13,9

Villagra, Ford 1.15,1

Wilson, Ford 1.15,2

Henning, Ford 1.15,3

[6789]

Go Petter, he says he is going to play tactics in the afternoon, so should be a great rally!!!

[chryby]

some pictures from shake:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=679&fseason=2010

[Wim_Impreza]

Go Petter, he says he is going to play tactics in the afternoon, so should be a great rally!!!

A Rally with tactics is great? I don't understand this. It is not worth to follow the WRC these days, my opinion.

[Francis44]

A Rally with tactics is great? I don't understand this. It is not worth to follow the WRC these days, my opinion.

I dont know why all the fuss about tactics....Sure is not all that fair, but the point is that you're still able to see those fast passages by drivers on the stages. Sure it's not exciting to follow a rally on the internet with parcials when they are playing tactics but that's not how rally was meant to be followed.

[MartijnS]

A Rally with tactics is great? I don't understand this. It is not worth to follow the WRC these days, my opinion.

Lol, what's the point in mentioning your opinion about WRC twice on the same page while nobody really cares about it?
Either you like it or you don't, stop crying about it if you don't.

[chryby]

swrc & pwrc results:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=8999

[RS]

swrc & pwrc results:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=8999

Thanks. Maybe Nasser is getting the hang of his car now... Looks good with the Red Bull logos on it too :)

[Francis44]

Humm Armindo faster than Brynildsen and P-G Andersson with an Evo X, this looks promising.

[Wim_Impreza]

Lol, what's the point in mentioning your opinion about WRC twice on the same page while nobody really cares about it?
Either you like it or you don't, stop crying about it if you don't.

I am not crying about it, I only said my opinion.

[chryby]

armindo droves 4x, PG and eyvind only 2x

nasser´s drive was very bloody, totaly on the edge :)

[Francis44]

armindo droves 4x, PG and eyvind only 2x

nasser´s drive was very bloody, totaly on the edge :)

Still, Im quite impressed, perhaps this means the Evo X still has a chance to be competitive for the Production championship, and of course National championships.

[mm1]

Take a look at Finnish championship and Evo X competitivnes :)

[Francis44]

Take a look at Finnish championship and Evo X competitivnes :)

Well that ain't a good ideia because no matter what car Finns drive they will make it fly, even if it is a Datsun.

[mm1]

Yes, but there are other Finns in Subarus aswell.

[Francis44]

Yes, but there are other Finns in Subarus aswell.

Ok fair enough :p .

[bluuford]

I think it is interesting to read while waiting for the start of the rally. This is my raw translation from Estonian article: Original can be found here: http://rally.ee/?a=a009&b=8039

Estonians in Jordan rally in 1987

In 1987 the length of Jordan rally was 1300km. There were 48 cars representing 12 countries and five of them were from the former Soviet Union. Class winners were Raido Rüütel and Tõnu Vunn (Recently known as Jaan Mölder co-driver) with their Lada VFTS.

This rally was very different to all rallies our drivers had experienced before. It is worth mentioning that only 19 cars reached to the finish. Soviet Union Rally team achieved second place just behind local rally team. Our fastest crew (Raido Rüütel, Tõnu Vunn from Karksi collective farm rally club) finished in 7th place in general standings and won 1600 cm3 class. Second place in the same class belonged to Latvians from Riga – Ivars Caune/Andris Cimkus and third place belonged also to the Latvians Srazys Brundza/Sergei Dadvan.

Raido Rüütel shares his memories: Jordan Rally was one of the hardest rallies in Middle-East Championship. There were 49 crews at the start list. In addition to local crews there were crews from England, Finland and our five crews. Most famous crew at the start was Lasse Lamppi and Pentti Kukula with their Mitsubishi Starion Turbo (They finished in 14th place).

The winners of the rally were Mohammed Bin Sulayem - John Spiller with their Toyota Celica Twincam Turbo. They drove under UAE flag but they were actually British. Second place belonged to Saeed al Hajiri - Nigel Harris who drove with Porsche 911 SC RS that was prepared by David Richards company Prodrive. They won the same rally in the previous year. Third place belonged to Hani Bisharat - Wafai Mseis theiy were driving with Toyota Celica.

Rüütel continues: It was extremely difficult rally to us. We had to compete with our 1600cm3 LADAs against the cars that had 2000 and 2500cm3 engine capacities. Therefore we didn’t expect to fight for the rally win. But still our aim was to finish at top 10. There were 3 cars at the finish line from our Soviet Union team – exactly the number of cars to qualify for the teams competition. Vukovitš - Svingevitš retired due to the broken engine on the penultimate stage, our leading crew Eugenijus Tumalevičius - Pranas Videika retired after stage 10.

The rally lasted for three days and there were 34 stages in total. Most of them were short stages but some of them were still over 30 km. We had only two aims, finish the rally in one piece and keep the car in top 10. On such a rally it was very important preserve yourself and the car and also mechanics had really big responsibility. We could not take any risks while we were driving but at the same time we tried to be as fast as possible and conserve the car as much as possible. Only Tumalevičius – Videika were allowed to drive as fast as they could. They would have finished in top 6 if the piston on their engine would have lasted until the end of rally. On the other way around when they would have driven slower then it would have been easier for the car but their position would have been worse as well. I think that it is the most difficult task to divide your energy and conserve the car as much as needed to survive three days and at the same time drive as fast as you can.

Raido Rüütel continued: Our rally was not straightforward as well. At the beginning of the second day our car started OK but later we still had to push it over the start ramp. The fault was caused by the heat that we hadn’t experienced before and it was so unusual for us that finding and fixing process took us two minutes more time than allowed. Luckily we had spare distributor cap in the car. We were late to the start of the first stage for 2 minutes but that was not a problem. We managed to make up that time easily – we had driven with very big reserve so far and pushing little bit more was not a problem.

At stage 11 the gearbox of our Lada started to emit strange noises, something was wrong with fourth gear. Just for precaution we didn’t use fourth gear anymore. That mean, after the third gear we switched directly to 5th gear. We continued like that until the end of stage 16. Then we had longer resting break and we managed to change the faulty gearbox.

By the end of second day we (Rüütel/Vunn) had reached to eight position. On the last day we continued our careful tactics and we finished in seventh place – first in our class.

Raido Rüütel tells a little about his expectations: When travelling to Jordan I was expecting fights with sand and etc. In reality everything was different, rally route was passing huge empty areas and roads were covered with rocks and coarse gravel. Our legend was based on the numbers how fast you can go in specific bend… it didn’t worked there at all. There were nearly no bends. We had to adapt new categories in our notes that we had never used before, such as “hole with danger”, “hole with double danger”, “hole with stop” etc. Another difficult thing was that there were nearly no marks you can use as a markers. Everything looks the same, empty desert. The track itself was marked with coloured (red) stones. Still some of the competition cars got lost. And you cannot forget the dust; it was huge problem to negotiate.

Rüütel continued: This rally gave me a lot in terms of sporting side. It was possible to test my limits and at the same time the limits of the car on such a tough conditions. It was the first time when I really experienced how important is the physical fitness of the driver.

The work of mechanics was also unusual. They drove from one stage end to another stage end without missing any stages. There was a lot of work for them and the time was extremely limited. There were also three Estonians among the mechanics.

Organization of the rally was flowing as well; buts still there were a few spots that were not guarded on such a long track. In one place somebody put a sign on the stage that it was not allowed to drive there. Those who believed that the track was modified overnight drove to the wrong direction. Such mistakes cost a lot of time that was not possible to fight back – luckily we managed to escape from such mistakes.

The son of Jordan King prince Abdullah took part in 1987 edition of Jordan rally as well. Year before he became third in overall rankings. However, in 1987 he was not so lucky – he went off road and damaged the car so much that it was not possible to continue.

[Josti]

Nice story Bluuford. To me, 1300 km's of special stage distance would be near to ideal for a desert rally like Jordan, just like the old Moroccan WRC event. Since the rules have been smoothen this year as far as total stage distance goes, I think it's a shame Jordan didn't took the oppertunity (if it was possible at all).

[Juha_Koo]

(if it was possible at all).

To my knowlegde almost the whole route is man-made, sort of artificial roads build just for the rally in the middle of the desert... So increasing the total SS distance would have created a great amount of extra work for the organizers.

[Mirek]

Than there is a question if it's good to run rally on specially built roads...

[Juha_Koo]

]Than there is a question if it's good to run rally on specially built roads...

I don't see a problem with this in this scale. For some weird reason I like Rally Jordan because it's so specialized event due to the "weird" roads...

Ofcourse then we're lost if every rally starts to run on roads specially build for the event.

[RS]

]Than there is a question if it's good to run rally on specially built roads...

Yes, I hope WRC doesn't turn into F1 where there are now many circuits in the middle of a wasteland all designed by the same man supposed to be "exciting" but actually turn out to be the blandest races on the calendar.

[Micke_VOC]

anyone seen the full shakedown list ?

[RICARDO75]

Best SWRC and PWRC on shakedown:
1. Nasser Al-Attiyah, Škoda 1m20.2s
2. Michal Kosciuzsko, Ford 1m20.2s
3. Patrik Sandell, Škoda 1m20.8s
4. Jari Ketomaa, Ford 1m20.9s
5. Armindo Araújo, Mitsubishi 1m21.6s (PWRC)
6. Eyvind Brynildsen, Škoda 1m21.7s
7. P-G Andersson, Škoda 1m21.8s
8. Patrik Flodin, Subaru 1m22.5s (PWRC)
9. Bernardo Sousa, Ford 1m22.6s
10. Xavi Pons, Ford 1m23.6s
11. Martin Semerád, Mitsubishi 1m24.2s (PWRC)

[6789]

A Rally with tactics is great? I don't understand this. It is not worth to follow the WRC these days, my opinion.
Sorry, I meant great as a Petter fan that he is willing to play along with Loeb and Hirvonen for the victory..

[bluuford]

It was announced today (10 minutes ago) that Markko Märtin is going to replace Sebastien Loeb from Jordan rally.
Quensel says: "Well, we had to change our driver due to force major. That means Markko Märtin is driving his C4 together with Daniel Elena in Jordan Rally."

Markko comments: "Yes, Oliver gave me a call after the midnight and asked me if I can reach to Jordan by the start of the rally. He sent me his private jet and now I am here. There was French-English dictionary in the plane, so now I know already a few words like: quitté, juste, le saut, la prudence. It should not be too difficult with the best car on the field. Yeah, I think it should be possible to fight for the win from the start."

Quensel continues: "You know, when I realized that Sebastian cannot take part in the rally then I first called to Chris (Atkinson), but he was already surfing in Gold Coast and mobile was switched off. I also tried Duval but he had something against driving in Asia and stuff. Then Urmo (Aava) gave me Markkos contacts and he was agree".

Question about what happened to Loeb was left without answer. However we managed to get some rumors that Conrad (Rautenbach) throw him a driving glow yesterday after shakedown and they planned to continue what was cut short two years ago. Duel was expected to held on sunrise somewhere in Nebo Mountain. Since then, no one has seen either side...

[Krigen]

It was announced today (10 minutes ago) that Markko Märtin is going to replace Sebastien Loeb from Jordan rally.
Quensel says: "Well, we had to change our driver due to force major. That means Markko Märtin is driving his C4 together with Daniel Elena in Jordan Rally."

Markko comments: "Yes, Oliver gave me a call after the midnight and asked me if I can reach to Jordan by the start of the rally. He sent me his private jet and now I am here. There was French-English dictionary in the plane, so now I know already a few words like: quitté, juste, le saut, la prudence. It should not be too difficult with the best car on the field. Yeah, I think it should be possible to fight for the win from the start."

Quensel continues: "You know, when I realized that Sebastian cannot take part in the rally then I first called to Chris (Atkinson), but he was already surfing in Gold Coast and mobile was switched off. I also tried Duval but he had something against driving in Asia and stuff. Then Urmo (Aava) gave me Markkos contacts and he was agree".

Question about what happened to Loeb was left without answer. However we managed to get some rumors that Conrad (Rautenbach) throw him a driving glow yesterday after shakedown and they planned to continue what was cut short two years ago. Duel was expected to held on sunrise somewhere in Nebo Mountain. Since then, no one has seen either side...

Hahahahahahhahahah

[muscrae]

Nasser looks pretty fast after what happened in IRC round lately. In our local pickems @ rallivideo.com/forums, I really find it harsh to choose from the list of SWRC, there so fantastic drivers competing for this round. It's gonna be big fight for SWRC drivers.
And as for WRC, it may turn out even thougher, Petter will be in full attack mood with his new toy, and as he declared, he may play tactics here.
So let the game begin... !! :) :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[dimviii]

Good morning mates!

Loeb through first split.

ps no other forumers? :confused:

[jonkka]

GM Dimvii... here I am...

[Salist]

Good Morning guys...

[muscrae]

Good morning folks..
Mikko started slow again...

[jonkka]

And continues very slowly... +8,2 :eek:

[malscar]

Good evening everyone.

[miksu]

I wonder if Mikko has problems, or is it just a normal "mikko morning"

[jonkka]

Must have been a temporary miss, spin or stall as he's on (sort of) pace at split 3

[malscar]

I would say he made a small mistake. Next split is only .3 slower.

[Ondra WRC]

Mikko spin.

[Francis44]

Solberg again on the pace, might be faster than Latvala.

[dimviii]

Latvala Ogier fastest

[dimviii]

PGA extreme fast! :eek:

[bluuford]

MERC starts tomorrow? Can anyone post a link for MERC results?

[RS]

PGA extreme fast! :eek:

He was driving "careful" :D

[Francis44]

He was driving "careful" :D

Dont forget He was here in 2008 with Suzuki, most S-WRC drivers never drove in Jordan.

[malscar]

He was driving "careful" :D

Yeah, he was 'only' 1 second a kilometre faster than Pons. lol

[dimviii]

PGA 1,8 slower from Mikko and 8,8 faster from ice man. :D

Al Attiyah same pace with PGA till now!

[Francis44]

Bernardo Sousa ain't that bad either.

[Boris Ivanov]

Al-Attiyah is fast too.

[jonkka]

Mikko still on losing streak...

[Hartusvuori]

Where's Ketomaa? A problem with timing or - hopefully not - at the stage?

[jonkka]

Interesting times, relatively big differences on such short stage...

[mjh]

Mikko back on the pace on SS2.

Rally Radio says Petters tracking box is playing up so his splits are not coming through.

[Mirek]

Where's Ketomaa? A problem with timing or - hopefully not - at the stage?

Engine before start :(

[Hartusvuori]

]Engine before start :(

That's disappointing to say the least. It'd be nice if he could make it to superrally and to see how his pace compares to PGA and the rest, but if it's a bigger problem, then I guess we won't.

[dimviii]

]Engine before start :(

To much ''engine'' problems for the Fiesta Mirek eh?

[Mirek]

Brynildsen had two spins on SS1

[hari]

Andersson faster than Wilson, Raikkönen and Villagra on SS2!

[bluuford]

Seems that Nasser has done some training with non turbo car :-) Much better times than in Mexico and Argentina.

[jonkka]

Mikko faster on split 2 and Loeb missing split 3? GSP again? :eek:

[bluuford]

And now loeb is missing a split..

[jonkka]

With no Rautenbach on the rally I'd bank on GPS fault - though on desert it's not that usual...

[jonkka]

No split 4 either...

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb finished.

[jonkka]

Aye...

[Hartusvuori]

Apparently still everytime I hear on WRT "Where's Jari-Matti?" my heart skips a beat... Still alive though :-)

EDIT: 10s time penalty for JML. Started SS3 1 min late.
EDIT 2: Same for Petter.

[mjh]

Petter charging through SS3.

Me thinks he has got his mojo back : )

[Xsara Fan]

PG out?

[dimviii]

Apparently still everytime I hear on WRT "Where's Jari-Matti?" my heart skips a beat... Still alive though :-)

EDIT: 10s time penalty for JML. Started SS3 1 min late.
EDIT 2: Same for Petter.
I saw also that 10 s penalty @ Vysledky but now it doesn t exists :confused:

now exists again....agggrrrrrr...lol

[wwbroe]

And now the 10 sec panalty for Latvalla is gone again? Petter is saying he was late at TC too? :confused:

[Mirek]

PG stopped :(

[wwbroe]

Great time for Danni Sordo :)

[wwbroe]

]PG stopped :(

That is very bad, do you know what his problem is? :(

[RS]

Bad news about PG, in those 2 stages he already showed he was a class above the rest again like in Sweden.

[wwbroe]

Penalty for Latvalla is back and also one for Petter.

[wwbroe]

Because of those penalties, and also because of his great time on this last stage, Sordo is taking the lead of the rally :)

[wwbroe]

Sandell also stopped in stage :confused: Bad stage for the Skoda's. :(

[wwbroe]

He is stopped almost same place as PG, only 500 m apart? :eek:

[raybak]

It's all such a scam so Loeb and Hirvonen aren't in the top 3 for Friday stages which are the long ones.

Wait and see the times tomorrow afternoon, then we will see who is quickest.

Ray

[bluuford]

Bad stage for letter "S" and "Š" Sweden, Škoda, Sandell, Andersson... And reason.. Stone

[Mirek]

PG crashed

[dimviii]

ANDERSSON P.-G. / ANDERSSON J. (st. č. 53) Stopped in the stage 2 km from start with damaged front wheels.

[sarally]

Ketomaa still running?? I thought he blew a motor??

[bluuford]

Ketomaa just appears on Superally list. Andersson crashed in 2008 also in Jordan River stage. Not a kind rally for him.

[tmx]

Sorry, I am on slow internet that I can't even stream WRC radio. Can someone explained what happened? I can only look at the splits. Were Jari and Petter received penalty because of being late due to traffic?

Since that is the case already, I hope Petter will elect to drop back to 6th place before the end of the day.

[bluuford]

Yes Petter and Jari were late due to the traffic and seems that Andersson was also late starting. But he never reach till the end. In rally radio they are saying that he has two missing/damaged wheels.

[Hartusvuori]

Yes Petter and Jari were late due to the traffic ---


There was also a refuel between SS2 and SS3, and if I heard right they also stopped for a tyre change. So it was less than 30 minutes to run a 8,65 kms stage, refuel, tyre change and 10 kms liason.

[dimviii]

Except s2000 in front of Iceman now and Flodin.

By the way i was excepting Tuohino much more faster...

[Mirek]

Tuohino is no more...

[COD]

Ketomaa still running?? I thought he blew a motor??

I think the car just didn't start. Think he will be in tomorrow

[serial jeff]

I think the late penalty for both Jari and Petter has been removed

[6789]

I think the late penalty for both Jari and Petter has been removed
It said on WRRadio that Malcolm Wilson said the penalties have been removed. So i assume that thats correct and they have been

Very close at the top, who knows what will happen with the tactics but go Petter!!!

[ZequeArgentina]

Great that Nasser is on the expected speed after his bad performancs in Mexico and Argentina obviously his is the one with more expereince in Jordan.

Kosciuszko is doing another excellent performance, not that far fron Nasser!

[RS]

Great that Nasser is on the expected speed after his bad performancs in Mexico and Argentina obviously his is the one with more expereince in Jordan.

Kosciuszko is doing another excellent performance, not that far fron Nasser!

Nasser was the one with the most experience in Argentina too (apart from Villagra)...

Seriously, I am wondering how competitive the sWRC field is at the moment. PGA easily dominated on times whilst he lasted, just like in Sweden. Relative newcome Kosciuszko is right at the front, Sousa is right up there but has never been that fast before.

I am pleased that Nasser has found his way with the car now though and hope he continues to perform like that in the future. Did he have a test before this rally?

[jonkka]

First splits were missing, now Mikko is missing from the splits.

[Salist]

SS5 started...

[Francis44]

Solberg doing very well.

[Francis44]

Loeb still loses time during second passages, maybe the set up ain't the perfect one.

[jonkka]

Maybe he isn't yet decided on whether to stay close to Mikko in tomorrow's road position order or should he try to get closer to JML who's running away all the time.

[pettersolberg29]

I think JML will lead into Day 2. He will have a sizeable lead over Mikko and Loeb, and only Petter and Sordo will challenge.

[Mirek]

Nasser?

[Francis44]

I think we all can agree that the championship now may not be as "boring" as the last two. Of course the ultimate championship fighters are going to be only Loeb and Mikko but the additon of Solberg and his C4, Latvala and Ogier secure pace might make the championship more interesting.

[dimviii]

Petter very fast through ss6 :)

[jonas_mcrae]

great pace by petter, lets see how good he is tomorrow

[RICARDO75]

Still no Nasser

[RICARDO75]

Nasser off the road. He will be back tomorrow

[Ondra WRC]

Pons?

[jonas_mcrae]

S2000's falling like pigeons!

[dimviii]

AL-ATTIYAH N. / BERNACCHINI G. (st. č. 22) Went out of the road and rolled. :(

[jonkka]

Time for tactical games to begin...

[bluuford]

Nasser was the one with the most experience in Argentina too (apart from Villagra)...

Seriously, I am wondering how competitive the sWRC field is at the moment. PGA easily dominated on times whilst he lasted, just like in Sweden. Relative newcome Kosciuszko is right at the front, Sousa is right up there but has never been that fast before.

I am pleased that Nasser has found his way with the car now though and hope he continues to perform like that in the future. Did he have a test before this rally?

Yes, Nasser had a long day of testing right there in Jordan just before the event.

[pettersolberg29]

I see no splits? Not a tactic within tactics is it?

edit: splits back.

[ZequeArgentina]

Nasser out, Andersson out, Sandell out, ketomaa not even started, Brynisldssen delayed.
SWRC fight is just for the ones who survive only after half forst day!

In pWRC we have top3 within 2 seconds!! Araujo, Flodin and Semerad

[Mirek]

Huuuge battle in PWRC. Top three in less than 2 seconds.

[jonkka]

Splits don't do much... at the moment...

[Fly]

]Huuuge battle in PWRC. Top three in less than 2 seconds.

I agree. Many said PWRC is boring, but those three are exciting to follow. The others are way behind though.

[pettersolberg29]

Why do splits only fail when they're needed? Rubbish...

[serial jeff]

Petter slowed down a lot... JML did not, and leads for tomorrow

[pettersolberg29]

JML
Ogier
Loeb
Petter
Mikko
Sordo

[jonkka]

Interesting...

[miksu]

I must say it will be a interesting day tomorrow. Most interesting in a long time. Lookin forward to it :)

[Catiocha7]

Is Nasser ok ?

[fmcv]

Where are SS7 results?

[fmcv]

Yes, Nasser is ok. I believe he will restart tomorrow.

[bluuford]

Nasser could have continued but radiator was broken. So, he will be back tomorrow:-)

[Catiocha7]

And waha about his Fabia ? is it destroyed ?

[bluuford]

Fabia has also broken radiator and some more damage ;-) Nasser had easier escape :-P

[hari]

Looks like Kosciuszko and Brynildsen are also out now according to wrc.com timing
Only two SWRC contenders left.

[RS]

Nasser out, Andersson out, Sandell out, ketomaa not even started, Brynisldssen delayed.
SWRC fight is just for the ones who survive only after half forst day!


Looks like Kosciuzko also had problems on the last stage and only 2 cars completed the day!

What happened to Tuohino?

[bluuford]

Only two cars finished SWRC first day.. from 9 cars.. that is huge!
And our newcomer Kruuda reached to the finish as well. I think it was the longest day of rallying for him so far (First WRC rally) :)

[xavier]

Finaly the results of SS7.

I am surprised Dani dropped behind Seb.
The fact Peter dropped between Seb and Mikko seems to indicate that Citroen has no say in his strategy (and that's a good thing)

[fmcv]

Yes, Petter's words at the end of the stage confirm that he follows his own tactics.

[RS]

Finaly the results of SS7.

I am surprised Dani dropped behind Seb.
The fact Peter dropped between Seb and Mikko seems to indicate that Citroen has no say in his strategy (and that's a good thing)

A refreshing change.

Again a good day for Petter and Ogier.

[Mirek]

7 of 9 SWRC competitors retired and there isn't even a single word about SWRC on wrc.com. The info service is terrible.

[COD]

Looks like Kosciuzko also had problems on the last stage and only 2 cars completed the day!

What happened to Tuohino?

Tuohino also off, stuck, no big damage and will continue tomorrow.

[COD]

]7 of 9 SWRC competitors retired and there isn't even a single word about SWRC on wrc.com. The info service is terrible.

Seems like most of them driver errors, so no blaiming on the cars

[Mirek]

I don't blame cars. I blame ISC for no information at all ;)

[bluuford]

]7 of 9 SWRC competitors retired and there isn't even a single word about SWRC on wrc.com. The info service is terrible.
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=7301&desc=After+SS2%3A+Latvala+leads+Jordan+Rally+for+F ord

read the last two paragraphs.. they say that Ketomaa didnt start stage nr 2 :-P

[Mirek]

Alternator belt for Kosciuszko again. Sandell broke steering when he hit a stone.

[Kamikaze]

Citroen WRT

World Rally Tactics


.

[kolvas]

no splits?

[Langdale Forest]

I am happy that Jari is in the lead!!!

[kolvas]

I am happy that Jari is in the lead!!!
I hope he can stay in the lead tomorrow, it seems like Miko thoesn´t have "the right speed" but he maybe wasn´t pushing to the limit.

Patrik Flodin in lead for P-WRC, I hope he stays in the lead and that PG can do som excellent time in superrally

[Tomi]

I think the car just didn't start. Think he will be in tomorrow

yep,yep, and hopefully with competitive times, btw, smart move of him, the pirelli thing ;)

[chryby]

some pictures from first leg:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=679&fseason=2010

[A.F.F.]

WTF ??? They already drove a day ?

[Langdale Forest]

WTF ??? They already drove a day ?

I visiteid wrc.com this afternoon looking for the shakedown results and found out that JML was in the lead. :eek:

I think a few WRC events will finish on Saturdays this year.



Anyway, it should be an interesting day tomorrow, with 5 drivers fighting for places 2 - 6.

[JFL]

WTF ??? They already drove a day ?
:rotflmao:

[DonJippo]

WTF ??? They already drove a day ?

That happens when you are only dreaming about your coming trip :s mokin:

[MrJan]

Citroen WRT

World Rally Tactics


.

Can people just stop with this moaning about tactics bull****? Citroen do it, Ford do it, if MG were entered then they'd do it. It's a part of modern rallying and it's here to stay. No single team does it more than the other so there is no point in having a whinge.

BTW I'm with A.F.F, didn't realise that there were real stages today :laugh:

[Halvis]

Can people just stop with this moaning about tactics bull****? Citroen do it, Ford do it, if MG were entered then they'd do it. It's a part of modern rallying and it's here to stay. No single team does it more than the other so there is no point in having a whinge.

BTW I'm with A.F.F, didn't realise that there were real stages today :laugh:

If they went back to the old rule about the leader of the rally starting as nbr 15, the tactics would more or less disappear. I think that is what most of us want. Watching some drivers almost stopping on the last stage of the day is horrible.

[tmx]

Please consult older threads about road position for this discussion topic and not proliferate it here as well. We've already beat the horse to dead.

BTW, leader starting from behind is not old rule. Old rule is if you are leader you start first, this coincide with most other sports in the world. You don't have a top qualifier in F1 starting in back row. Then the rule changed so leaders started last. Now its simply going back to the old rule that has always been.

PS, Ford's strategy is very good here. Mikko is in the back while Jari is leading. They cover both possibilities of either slowing down or not without explicitly slowing down.

What I don't understand is if they are going to slow down why don't they take the opportunity to entertain the fans instead of sitting before the yellow board. I don't know, how about drive over the finish in reverse or reverse over a jump. Have the codriver drives the car while the driver stand on top of the roof, if its Loeb he can backflip over the finish line from the roof.

[Halvis]

Please consult older threads about road position for this discussion topic and not proliferate it here as well. We've already beat the horse to dead.

BTW, leader starting from behind is not old rule. Old rule is if you are leader you start first, this coincide with most other sports in the world. You don't have a top qualifier in F1 starting in back row. Then the rule changed so leaders started last. Now its simply going back to the old rule that has always been.

PS, Ford's strategy is very good here. Mikko is in the back while Jari is leading. They cover both possibilities of either slowing down or not without explicitly slowing down.

What I don't understand is if they are going to slow down why don't they take the opportunity to entertain the fans instead of sitting before the yellow board. I don't know, how about drive over the finish in reverse or reverse over a jump. Have the codriver drives the car while the driver stand on top of the roof, if its Loeb he can backflip over the finish line from the roof.

Well, I haven't followed rally long enough to have experienced last time they used todays starting order.

The difference from F1 and rally is of course that in F1 it is an advantage to start first - but you know that for sure.

[Salist]

Good Morning guys...

[Salist]

The SS8 has started. Ogier on the road.
Go Mikko Go!!! :)

[Moriarty]

Mikko lost right front wheel

[FAlonso]

Mikko went off the road and/or ripped off a wheel.

[jonkka]

Whaaat? :eek:

[6789]

Unlucky for Mikko, Loeb quickest so far through.

[Moriarty]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. Hit a stone. Lost FR tire.

[Salist]

ohh no. F..k.

[jonkka]

That's big blow to Mikko's championship dreams

[6789]

That's big blow to Mikko's championship dreams
Especially if Loeb is consistent this year and has no problems, really hope Loeb doesn't with this rally, make it abit more exciting

[tmx]

Doh, not a good news to read first thing in the morning. That's a second unfortunate rally for Mikko, he would need Jari and Petter to finish before Loeb to help his championship.

Still tomorrow is another long day. I can see a 3 way fight for the win and Ogier vs Petter again like in Mexico.

[Langdale Forest]

Mikko lost right front wheel

It's a sad sad situation. :bigcry:

[6789]

Latvala doesn't seem to be dropping time through the first two stages, he could be in a good position. Depends how this massive Jordan River stage goes i guess

[AndiG]

It's a sad sad situation. :bigcry:
Now just Rautenbach can help. Hopefully he is there as a spectator...

[Langdale Forest]

SS10 is the epic Jordan River stage. :s mokin:

[Langdale Forest]

Now just Rautenbach can help. Hopefully he is there as a spectator...

:laugh:

[jonkka]

Split 3... did something happen?

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb and Ogier are biting away at JML's lead.

[jonkka]

Ah, nothing big...

[Langdale Forest]

Ah, nothing big...

But this stage is 17km, Jordan Rover stage is over 41km!

[jonkka]

But this stage is 17km, Jordan Rover stage is over 41km!

I was referring to JML's possible problems... But even so, with current trend JML's lead is not in immediate danger. However, I think Loeb will attack hard on next one.

[Langdale Forest]

The rally is now passing over the road section where Rauntencrash took out Loeb in 2008!

[jonkka]

And Petter is speeding as well... But where is Loeb's final time?

[Langdale Forest]

I was referring to JML's possible problems... But even so, with current trend JML's lead is not in immediate danger. However, I think Loeb will attack hard on next one.

But Loeb can really take massive time of the leader, remeber what happend in Wales last October?

Unfortunatley this might force JML into a mistake. :(

[Langdale Forest]

Petter Solberg is now in 2nd!!! :bounce:

[jonkka]

But Loeb can really take massive time of the leader, remeber what happend in Wales last October?

Unfortunatley this might force JML into a mistake. :(

Unfortunately, that might happen. But it can go other way around as well. Tomorrow is a long day too and nothing is decided today unless one goes off.

[Langdale Forest]

Unfortunately, that might happen. But it can go other way around as well. Tomorrow is a long day too and nothing is decided today unless one goes off.

It will be so sad if he makes a mistake.




If Loeb is predicted to chew away at JML's lead, could Petter do it as well?

He his ahead of Loeb now.