New Penske colours

[jwhite9185]

http://twitpic.com/14xul3

Not too bad i guess

[DBell]

So does that mean that Marlboro money is over? Is Penske funding this out of his pocket now? Just wondering if I missed something as I haven't been paying much attention to Indy Car lately.

[ykiki]

Pretty much looks like a Verizon color scheme.

[chuck34]

Why can't you Brits spell color correctly? :-)

[Chamoo]

Apparently they have a seal signed with Philip Morris' parent company Altria (spelling might be off).

[DanicaFan]

I like the new paint scheme.

[Easy Drifter]

Chuck: It is a honourable spelling that we Canucks do too. :cool: :p :

[TURN3]

The #6 looks good but something isn't right about the #3 with the standard Penske red end plates.

[garyshell]

Black driving suits? What masochist thought that up? Those will be real pleasant on an August afternoon.

Gary

[NY2IA]

Any ideas where this picture was taken?

[Rollo]

Any ideas where this picture was taken?

In the heady days of 1993 perhaps? This colour scheme reminds me a little bit of the Newman-Haas cars ala Mansell and Andretti. Slap on the words K-Mart and Havoline and Rog's your uncle...

[Mark in Oshawa]

Why can't you Brits spell color correctly? :-)

It is Noah Webster that has it wrong, and you Yanks followed. By the way....it is Zed that is the last letter in the alphabet, not ZEE. I would say you Americans are darn near illiterate! Honour, Colour,......well you get the idea. Us Commonwealth of Nations folk speak the Queen's English ya know...

[garyshell]

In the heady days of 1993 perhaps? This colour scheme reminds me a little bit of the Newman-Haas cars ala Mansell and Andretti. Slap on the words K-Mart and Havoline and Rog's your uncle...


Yep, I said the same thing in another thread here that posted a link to a different picture. But it sure does look like the old NH/K-Mart Havoline livery.

Gary

[gofastandwynn]

Any ideas where this picture was taken?

Today at Barber...

[garyshell]

It is Noah Webster that has it wrong, and you Yanks followed. By the way....it is Zed that is the last letter in the alphabet, not ZEE. I would say you Americans are darn near illiterate! Honour, Colour,......well you get the idea. Us Commonwealth of Nations folk speak the Queen's English ya know...


Eh, pass the back bacon.

Gary

[chuck34]

It is Noah Webster that has it wrong, and you Yanks followed. By the way....it is Zed that is the last letter in the alphabet, not ZEE. I would say you Americans are darn near illiterate! Honour, Colour,......well you get the idea. Us Commonwealth of Nations folk speak the Queen's English ya know...

Eh, we're bigger and better so we make ther rules now. So there's no u in color or honor. Bacon is the nice long crispy strips. And it's a freaking zee!

You Canucks are just our little brothers anyway, so do as you're told. And we kicked the UK's @ss in two wars and saved their @ss in two more. We'll kick it again if we have to! You think Jan checks in on the IRL board? If so I'll have to run for that one. [Big 'ole grin]

Sorry for all the off topic stuff, just having a bit of fun. :-)

[chuck34]

The #6 looks good but something isn't right about the #3 with the standard Penske red end plates.

I agree, the red does look a bit off. But it's nice for telling the two cars apart on TV I suppose.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Eh, we're bigger and better so we make ther rules now. So there's no u in color or honor. Bacon is the nice long crispy strips. And it's a freaking zee!

You Canucks are just our little brothers anyway, so do as you're told. And we kicked the UK's @ss in two wars and saved their @ss in two more. We'll kick it again if we have to! You think Jan checks in on the IRL board? If so I'll have to run for that one. [Big 'ole grin]

Sorry for all the off topic stuff, just having a bit of fun. :-)

Sorry for all the off topic stuff, just having a bit of fun. :-)???

Little brother? Ummm that may be true, but they kicked you guys around in the War of 1812 with our help. And furthermore, since we both speak ENGLISH, you would do well to remember there is honour, not honor....and it is ZED...but sadly you will keep up with you delusions, which is fine. We all have a crazy big brother in our lives and you guys just keep giving us cheap entertainment!

[Easy Drifter]

Chuck, Do we have to come down there and burn the White House again.
About the only battle you guys won was the Battle of New Orleans and that was after the war was actually over. :D

And you know I am just teasing I hope. Both sides were totally screw ups. I have studied the war!

Mens and Womens Hockey are the next battles! :s mokin:

[harvick#1]

another bit of racing history has died :(

that had to be the last true look of the Malboro livery still raced

[Rollo]

another bit of racing history has died :(

that had to be the last true look of the Malboro livery still raced

Now it's time for "Tenous Tie-in".

The once Marlboro liveried Holden Dealer Team as shown below...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2526705914_9dbafb1a53.jpg

Used the same PPG paint code number as the current Team Vodafone cars
http://images.smh.com.au/2010/02/20/1149363/yasmarinawhincup-420x0.jpg

Actually from what I can gather, Penske and Marlboro only go back until 1989; before which it possibly Patrick Racing that had it as far back as 1986?

[SoCalPVguy]

http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/Marlboro.jpg

Marlboro livery 1970's (my guess 1974ish) BRM F1

[SoCalPVguy]

http://myimages.bravenet.com/217/570/956/2/marlboro-car-f1.jpg

1977ish McLaren F1 Livery

[SoCalPVguy]

http://oilpressure.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/emmo.jpg

Emmo in Indy style "lola???" about 1984ish (Patrick Racing)

[SoCalPVguy]

http://f1colours.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ferrari08.jpg
Nothing says "Marlboro" like a ... bar code ???

[bennybigb]

Isn't that picture of Emmo from the 1989 season, when he took the championship driving a Penske chassis?

It does not look 1984ish to me at all....just checking.

And by the way, Canadians are cool, so back off!

[harvick#1]

Nothing says "Marlboro" like a ... bar code ???


because todays day in age, we all have to be tolerant and not allow tobacco to sponsor, but we can have Viagra and Extenze be allowed :rolleyes: what a sad day it is in todays day and age

[Chamoo]

because todays day in age, we all have to be tolerant and not allow tobacco to sponsor, but we can have Viagra and Extenze be allowed :rolleyes: what a sad day it is in todays day and age

I wish there was a way that tobacco companies could sponsor. Something like, every dollar they spend in advertising, they have to spend atleast a 1$ to 1$ ratio towards making kids aware smoking is no good!

Maybe some teams could approach other cigarette parent companies and sign deals like the rumored Penske - Altria deal that was just signed.

[Mark in Oshawa]

because todays day in age, we all have to be tolerant and not allow tobacco to sponsor, but we can have Viagra and Extenze be allowed :rolleyes: what a sad day it is in todays day and age

Nothing wrong with Viagra and Extenze. Last I looked, having a sex life didn't kill anyone (ok...safe sex everybody...anyone remember the condom sponsor Keke Rosburg had in Formula Atlantic?).

I think Penske will have sharp looking race cars no matter who pays the bills. Marlboro was great for him for a few years, but time moves on and that is just the way it is...

[Easy Drifter]

Howdy Holmes with E-Z Wider cigarette papers for roll your own. Everybody knew what kind of roll your own.
Then there was EFR with Penthouse and live 'samples' at the races.
Interesting seeing them put their Bikinis on to go swimming at St. Jovite in the open back of the transporter. :s mokin: :eek:

[Civic]

I started using tyre, kerb, colour, grey, etc. when I got into racing. Blame it on reading too much AUTOSPORT magazine! What's funny is that when I read AUTOSPORT I read it in an English accent, unless it's an interview with a driver. Like if I'm reading a Zanardi interview, I hear an Italian accent with a lisp.

[Civic]

Maybe it's me but I kinda think it's hypocritical that you can't have tobacco advertising on a racecar or near a school, but you can advertise alcohol.

[V12]

It's a shame the last real Marlboro colour scheme has gone, you can blame all our various nanny-state governments of the world for that. It was inevitable once "Team Penske" replaced Marlboro on the rear wing and sidepods. Expect Ferrari to lose the bar code sometime in the next few years too, although that won't actually affect anything since Ferraris were/are/will be all red before, during and after Marlboro.

Either smoking should be illegal, or advertising it should be legal, anything else is double standards.

On a lighter note, just why do Americans call football "soccer"? :p

[nigelred5]

Chuck, Do we have to come down there and burn the White House again.
About the only battle you guys won was the Battle of New Orleans and that was after the war was actually over. :D

And you know I am just teasing I hope. Both sides were totally screw ups. I have studied the war!

Mens and Womens Hockey are the next battles! :s mokin:


LOL, apparently, we won the latest round of that battle as well ;)



Not sure about the deal w Altria. I was under the impression all Phillip Morris(Altria) money was gone. I don't see any sign of any Altria brands anywhere. It does bear some resemblance to the NH cars, but it also somwhat reminded me of the blue/white paint schemes on the Penske's from the 80's.

[nigelred5]

It's a shame the last real Marlboro colour scheme has gone, you can blame all our various nanny-state governments of the world for that. It was inevitable once "Team Penske" replaced Marlboro on the rear wing and sidepods. Expect Ferrari to lose the bar code sometime in the next few years too, although that won't actually affect anything since Ferraris were/are/will be all red before, during and after Marlboro.

Either smoking should be illegal, or advertising it should be legal, anything else is double standards.

On a lighter note, just why do Americans call football "soccer"? :p

Because our FOOTBALL is better! lol ;)

[BoilerIMS]

On a lighter note, just why do Americans call football "soccer"? :p

Our friends in Canada call it "soccer" as well.

(They also play a bizarro-world version of gridiron football which is nothing but pure awesome. Multiple men in motion, only three downs; it's like the XFL with skilled players.)

[V12]

I wish there was a way that tobacco companies could sponsor. Something like, every dollar they spend in advertising, they have to spend atleast a 1$ to 1$ ratio towards making kids aware smoking is no good!

Maybe some teams could approach other cigarette parent companies and sign deals like the rumored Penske - Altria deal that was just signed.

I suggested an idea, admittedly sort of tongue-in-cheek, somewhere sometime ago - the packet I have with me now has a large warning message in bold black lettering on a white background "Smoking seriously harms you and others around you". All packets are required by law to carry this or words to a similar effect on them. Since racing cars with tobacco title sponsorship tended to be painted up like the fag packet, maybe they could be allowed but made to carry this warning? :p

Not sure how well a graphic picture of a diseased lung or heart plastered on a car's airbox or sidepods would go down though...

Having said that, I read once that the reason that tobacco companies poured so much money into motor sport was that advertising through "traditional" methods - TV, newspapers, magazines etc. had been restricted for quite some time, so they poured their excess marketing budgets into sports sponsorship, mainly motor racing but also things like Snooker championships here in the UK.

And even then, I even remember when I started watching F1 as a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, at certain races (off the top of my head; France, Britain and Germany), the cars had to carry substitute logos such as the Marlboro barcode on the McLarens, Camel's logo being replaced by the name of the team (Lotus, Benetton or Williams) in Camel lettering, and so on. Even though at other races the full logos could be seen on millions of British, French and German TV sets.

So I guess double standards have always been at play.

[chuck34]

Chuck, Do we have to come down there and burn the White House again.
About the only battle you guys won was the Battle of New Orleans and that was after the war was actually over. :D

And you know I am just teasing I hope. Both sides were totally screw ups. I have studied the war!

Mens and Womens Hockey are the next battles! :s mokin:

Just got done reading a bio of James Monroe, and if Madison had just listened to him Washington wouldn't have been burned. So we won't make THAT mistake again in the war of 1812 part 2, we'll have Monroe as Sec. of War. We'll also put Jackson in charge of the entire army so that we'll have New Orleans all over and BEFORE the war's over too. :D

And yes I know that you're teasing, I hope you know I am too.

But we did kick you butts at Mens Hockey, and we'll do it again, if we need too. Have the women played yet?

Again, sorry for the OT stuff.

[methanolHuffer]

I started using tyre, kerb, colour, grey, etc. when I got into racing. Blame it on reading too much AUTOSPORT magazine! What's funny is that when I read AUTOSPORT I read it in an English accent, unless it's an interview with a driver. Like if I'm reading a Zanardi interview, I hear an Italian accent with a lisp.

Same here. Too true, mate.

[bblocker68]

I dont care what the cars look like as long as Will is driving the #12 for the full season.

I wish he had last year's livery. It was an all-time scheme. The new paint jobs look pretty good, but I dont think "Penske" when I see it. They actually look like my Dallara in iRacing :)

[bblocker68]

I started using tyre, kerb, colour, grey, etc. when I got into racing. Blame it on reading too much AUTOSPORT magazine! What's funny is that when I read AUTOSPORT I read it in an English accent, unless it's an interview with a driver. Like if I'm reading a Zanardi interview, I hear an Italian accent with a lisp.

Ha! I think the same way when I read Nigel's columns!

[SoCalPVguy]

because todays day in age, we all have to be tolerant and not allow tobacco to sponsor, but we can have Viagra and Extenze be allowed :rolleyes: what a sad day it is in todays day and age

Frankly, it is the leftist liberal socialist "nanny state" govenment that seeks to "protect us from ourselves" and substitue govenment tyranny control over all aspect of our lives becuase as jus normal folks, we don't know what's good for us - bu the elite statist governists do. No where in the world has the nanny state taken more control of our daily lives than in California wher the so-called elite statists have taken the Golden State and driven it into an almost bankrupt sewer of over-regulated morass, people and business employers leaving daily.

For example:
Hard Alcohol sponsorship - banned (but rules are starting to be relaxed a little)
Tobacco sponsorship: Banned
Sodas in school: being banned
Candy in school: being banned
cel phones in cars banned
bicycle helmets- required by law
But...
Homosexual teaching in school-required, including fisting and oral techniques
Sharia law- encourtaged over common laws
taking of wealth to redistribute to others that don't work- in progress...

Just so this rant is Indy related: No where has the nanny state hurt sports sponsorship more than in open wheel racing.

If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!

[F1boat]

Frankly, it is the leftist liberal socialist "nanny state" govenment that seeks to "protect us from ourselves" and substitue govenment tyranny control over all aspect of our lives becuase as jus normal folks, we don't know what's good for us - bu the elite statist governists do. No where in the world has the nanny state taken more control of our daily lives than in California wher the so-called elite statists have taken the Golden State and driven it into an almost bankrupt sewer of over-regulated morass, people and business employers leaving daily.

For example:
Hard Alcohol sponsorship - banned (but rules are starting to be relaxed a little)
Tobacco sponsorship: Banned
Sodas in school: being banned
Candy in school: being banned
cel phones in cars banned
bicycle helmets- required by law
But...
Homosexual teaching in school-required, including fisting and oral techniques
Sharia law- encourtaged over common laws
taking of wealth to redistribute to others that don't work- in progress...

Just so this rant is Indy related: No where has the nanny state hurt sports sponsorship more than in open wheel racing.

If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!

That's way off topic from me, but I want to rant - right people seem to be pro-Christian (in a bad way), anti gay and slightly racist and left politicians seem to ban everything which is cool and be pro-Islamic (in a bad way). Hello! Give freedom to people and try to stay out of their lives!

[Lousada]

If you look back to the great race car sponsorships of the past, its a wonder I am not a chain smoking alcoholic seeing as how many races I've seen in person or on TV... but I'm not so the nannies can stick it !!!

Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years, simply because they could not spent it on common advertising. Cigarettes are a highly competitive business which would require a constant bombardement of advertising. I think the (big) cigarette companies were never really opposed to the advertising ban. Of course, it also made them a sitting duck for political games, but that's what the next generation has to solve.

I would not be surprised if a lot of these "leftist" measures were actually whispered in their ears by big companies.
Another example: the biggest sponsors of reports that say lightbulbs are bad for the environment are.... lightbulb producers! Because TL and LED lights have a higher profit margin....

And to keep this on topic: The number 3 car with the red lines is the best looking car on the grid in my opinion!

[nigelred5]

Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years, simply because they could not spent it on common advertising. Cigarettes are a highly competitive business which would require a constant bombardement of advertising. I think the (big) cigarette companies were never really opposed to the advertising ban. Of course, it also made them a sitting duck for political games, but that's what the next generation has to solve.

I would not be surprised if a lot of these "leftist" measures were actually whispered in their ears by big companies.
Another example: the biggest sponsors of reports that say lightbulbs are bad for the environment are.... lightbulb producers! Because TL and LED lights have a higher profit margin....

And to keep this on topic: The number 3 car with the red lines is the best looking car on the grid in my opinion!Cigarette companies were basically only banned from television advertising. Ads were just about everywhere else imagineable until the master settlement. Philip Morris spent more on advertising world wide than almost the entire GNP of all of central America. Tobacco is cheap. It still is, it's just the government still taxes the living he'll out of the fools that use the crap.

[Lousada]

Cigarette companies were basically only banned from television advertising. Ads were just about everywhere else imagineable until the master settlement. Philip Morris spent more on advertising world wide than almost the entire GNP of all of central America. Tobacco is cheap. It still is, it's just the government still taxes the living he'll out of the fools that use the crap.

New customers of Marlboro are for the large part people who never smoked before. To make sure a new customer picks your brand when he starts smoking, you must make sure your brand name is the first that comes up when he thinks about cigarettes. People have short memories for things they are currently not thinking about. Which means the tobacco companies must keep reminding you about themselves until you are ready to think about cigarettes. Radio and Television are the most effective in this because you can reach a lot of people at once. Sponsorship and magazine advertising have only a limited public, so you need a lot more of them to get the same result as a TV-ad. Only the biggest companies, like Marlboro, can manage that. The result is that new customers will be more likely to use one of the big brands.
And now there is a total ban on advertising. How is a new tobacco company ever going to get any marketshare? How are small companies going to increase market share? Cigarettes still have the same before-tax price but the big advertising budgets are gone.

[anthonyvop]

Cigarette companies have had enormous excess profits the past 40 years,
Define "excess"? Then explain it to the boys in Indy. They could use some excess profits.

[Alexamateo]

It is Noah Webster that has it wrong, and you Yanks followed. By the way....it is Zed that is the last letter in the alphabet, not ZEE. I would say you Americans are darn near illiterate! Honour, Colour,......well you get the idea. Us Commonwealth of Nations folk speak the Queen's English ya know...

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