Viso confirmed at KV

[jwhite9185]

According to their facebook update a couple of secs ago. Probably a bit too soon to post a source.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Yet another case of a good Indycar name not being able to get a full time ride (Paul Tracy) while a so-so field filler does. I don't get where the money comes for the ride buyers. How can guys with talent be ignored, whether it be PT or Graham Rahal? At some point, don't people want to sponsor guys who will run up front?

[jwhite9185]

True but at least Viso does have a couple of seasons experience behind him and isnt a nobody whos here today and gone tomorrow (tristian gommendy anybody!?)

[Scotty G.]

I don't get where the money comes for the ride buyers.


For this particular ride buyer, its commie oil money.

Glad that Ernie finally found a couple of owners that would take his cash.


Maybe one day, Jimmy will wake up and realize that a guy (Jim Hayhoe) gave him a shot one day as a driver, when he didn't have much cash to bring to the table and without an owner like that, likely nobody would have ever heard of him.

But we don't need more Vasser's. We need more Sato's and Viso's and Rossiter's. That is exactly what the masses are clammoring for.

[garyshell]

Maybe one day, Jimmy will wake up and realize that a guy (Jim Hayhoe) gave him a shot one day as a driver, when he didn't have much cash to bring to the table and without an owner like that, likely nobody would have ever heard of him.

And maybe one day you will put your money where your mouth is and step up and sponsor one of these folks. You seem so quick on the draw to spend someone else's money... again.

Gary

[Mark in Oshawa]

And maybe one day you will put your money where your mouth is and step up and sponsor one of these folks. You seem so quick on the draw to spend someone else's money... again.

Gary

Gary, Scott thinks the owners of Indycars are an evil cabal who have kept Americans out of rides. Blame Corporate America for not backing these guys or blame the idiots who ran OW racing for the last 16 years for driving this sport into the ditch for creating a lousy business model. Don't blame the team owners for taking money to keep the doors open....

[Jag_Warrior]

True but at least Viso does have a couple of seasons experience behind him and isnt a nobody whos here today and gone tomorrow (tristian gommendy anybody!?)

Now there's a name that I haven't heard in awhile (and I've tried to forget :D ). I wonder what ol' Gummy Bear has been up to? When he left, the PR was that he had a visa problem. But I heard the problem was with American Express. :p

[Jag_Warrior]

Maybe one day, Jimmy will wake up and realize that a guy (Jim Hayhoe) gave him a shot one day as a driver, when he didn't have much cash to bring to the table and without an owner like that, likely nobody would have ever heard of him.

Oh, you mean back when major associate sponsorships were going for $2 million+ for a season? You mean back when sponsors lined the paddock? You mean back when outside interests actually saw value in putting their money behind drivers and teams? You mean back when an owner could give a driver a boost, and could actually expect to see a future payback if the hot shoe was any good?

When you drive by a Starbucks, you can't smell the coffee, can you? :rolleyes:

[jwhite9185]

Now there's a name that I haven't heard in awhile (and I've tried to forget :D ). I wonder what ol' Gummy Bear has been up to? When he left, the PR was that he had a visa problem. But I heard the problem was with American Express. :p

i think he might have done a couple of sports car races or something but i could be wrong.

[Scotty G.]

And maybe one day you will put your money where your mouth is and step up and sponsor one of these folks. You seem so quick on the draw to spend someone else's money... again.

Gary


Solid comeback.

NOBODY would be dumb enough right now, to sponsor anything to do with this sport. And judging by the lack of new sponsors in the past few years, I am right.

[Scotty G.]

Don't blame the team owners for taking money to keep the doors open....


Of course not.

Its NEVER the owners fault. Never.

Your lame excuse for these owners, is the same one we have heard for YEARS now.

When are these owners actually going to start acting like PROFESSIONAL team owners and go find the money for THEIR teams for once? When?

Because its way too easy to sit back on their ass and wait for the EJ Viso's and Hideki Mutoh's to come to their shops with a big check? Yep.

[elis]

Good for Viso. He isn't by any stretch an untalented hack. He has talent, he's engaging, he's fun! I'd hazard a guess that those who could seemingly score an Olympic Gold for Negativity wouldn't be quite so 'upset' if it was an American who arrived at the seat in 'the same way'.. y'know with various sponsors who all see value in backing him... but then it seems Corporate America doesn't see much stock in the current crop of homegrowners, or the series period. So don't be hating on the guys can that bring the moula.. they're the ones holding the series together, the Americans are barely bringing tumbleweed to the table..


All drivers are ride buyers in some sense. ;)

[Scotty G.]

It seems Corporate America doesn't see much stock in the current crop of homegrowners, or the series period.


The ROI and the lack of interest in the driver lineup might be a reason why. :)

[Josh1985]

Getting rid of Moraes and getting Viso is great for KV. Likewise, Viso getting an oppurtunity to drive for KV is one that he will make the most of.

The season is shaping up now, can't wait for Brazil!

[TURN3]

Getting rid of Moraes and getting Viso is great for KV. Likewise, Viso getting an oppurtunity to drive for KV is one that he will make the most of.

The season is shaping up now, can't wait for Brazil!

I think this is a wash for KV, very much an upgrade for Viso though. Both Viso and Moraes are young, very aggressive and very fast. EJ has a little more experience but I think Mario showed last year he was up and coming, especially where he improved on ovals. So far EJ hasn't shown anything on ovals but hasn't really had the chance in HVM equipment. Even their personalities, EJ very outgoing and a jokster while Mario seemed much more laid back but I liked his fire when he had run ins with Marco and even PT last year. The only real winner here is EJ. Obviously Mario is the big loser while KV makes more or less a lateral move.

I will say that EJ does have some real sponsorship. Herbalife (of which I'm familiar) is behind him quite a bit as they have been for Townsend Bell. Remember Bell drove to 4th with Herbalife colors last year for KV and I know Herbalife was more than thrilled, they talked of up'ing their deal for Bell but instead became an associate sponsor for HVM on EJ's car. Herbalife is a great example of the type of company Indycar needs, the business model fits well with their product so hopefully this continues to grow with EJ.

[NickFalzone]

As much as I hate to admit it, Viso and Sato at KV is not a terrible combination. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or the other regularly get into the fast-six on road/streets, and I could see Viso having some decent oval runs. No, they're not drivers that excite me, but I do think they're talented enough that I can't dismiss them as JUST ride-buyers.

[Scotty G.]

I wonder what Ole' PT thinks of this whole deal.

Viso, Sato and Rossiter won't exactly scare anyone at Indy (well actually, they might scare a few of the drivers). :p

[NickFalzone]

I wonder what Ole' PT thinks of this whole deal.

Viso, Sato and Rossiter won't exactly scare anyone at Indy (well actually, they might scare a few of the drivers). :p

PT has regularly made his feelings clear to Vasser on Twitter, kind of funny actually. Recently he made a fairly pointed comment about Sato getting a ride instead of him (a multi-race winner/championship driver)

[Scotty G.]

PT has regularly made his feelings clear to Vasser on Twitter, kind of funny actually. Recently he made a fairly pointed comment about Sato getting a ride instead of him (a multi-race winner/championship driver)

A couple of hours ago, he said the reason KV "hired" Sato and Viso was because of "double h". "Honda and Hugo Bucks". :D

[Josh1985]

Who cares what Tracy thinks.....geez, it's 2010; not 1998 anymore. He is old news and the sport has all but passed him by due to him being unable to mature beyond his 17th birthday.

He showed everyone in Toronto that he still doesnt have the maturity to wait to make a safe pass (Taking out himself and Helio)

You want to know why he can't get a full time ride? Because of stupid twitter posts etc. If you can't get along with people you will have a pretty tough time.

I'm not a Tracy hater, actually being a fellow Canadian and growing up just 2 hours from where he did I was a big fan of his, but over the years he has worn thin and grown old in my eyes.

Besides, PT is a foreigner so why does anyone want to see him? :D

[NickFalzone]

PT was on Wind Tunnel last night (or as PT calls it "Windbag Tunnel"). Commented on his current IndyCar situation, Danica, and the Delta Wing:

http://www.speedtv.com/video/popup/?bcpid=1797019236&bclid=595125382&bctid=67937630001

[TURN3]

He showed everyone in Toronto that he still doesnt have the maturity to wait to make a safe pass (Taking out himself and Helio)

You want to know why he can't get a full time ride? Because of stupid twitter posts etc. If you can't get along with people you will have a pretty tough time.

Interesting take on the events at Toronto last year considering 95% of everybody in North and South America saw it exactly oposite.

At any rate, I hardly doubt the PT on Twitter is the reason he hasn't gotten a full-time gig...if anything it is his personality that Indycar desparately misses. If Twitter is the new reason he can't get a ride then what would be Graham Rahal's?

You don't have to be a fan of his, no problem there. His personality and racing aggression is polarizing..so you love him or you hate him. I assure you this though, the series would be far better served with him in there and you'd enjoy hating him that much more. But for goodness sakes, don't get started saying stupid crap like Twitter is why he can't get a ride.

[Scotty G.]

You want to know why he can't get a full time ride?


Because he doesn't have the big checko to pay for one? ;)

Geico only cares about the Indy 500 (because its the only Indy Car race that anyone watches).

[Mark in Oshawa]

PT's concern about the Delta Wing, other than the goofy styling was the front wheels being tucked in is about reference points for the drivers in tight corners. You cant know about your rear wheels clearing the hairpin at Long Beach when your front wheels are that much narrower. Like I said on the other D-Wing thread, I figure the wheels will be moved out at some point...

It's a shame Viso has a ride full time and PT doesn't...not that I hate Viso, but PT is the most colourful driver out there who isn't running full time.

[Mark in Oshawa]

AS for Josh's statement, well if he doesn't like PT, that's fine, but last time I looked, most of the guys with rides outside of the to 4 to 6 drivers have zero personality and about 1/10th the track record. That isn't opinion, that is just the reality...

[px400r]

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For this particular ride buyer, its commie oil money.



The party in power is socialist- not communist. There is a communist party in Venezuela, but declined to join the ruling party's coalition. There is a difference.

So for this particular ride buyer, it is socialist oil money.

FYI

[px400r]

Gary, Scott thinks the owners of Indycars are an evil cabal who have kept Americans out of rides. Blame Corporate America for not backing these guys or blame the idiots who ran OW racing for the last 16 years for driving this sport into the ditch for creating a lousy business model. Don't blame the team owners for taking money to keep the doors open....

The irony of course, is that ride buying is as capitalist as you can get...