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RS
20th February 2010, 17:15
Ok, so with Argentina only two weeks after Brazil, it's about time we started a thread for that event too.

According to the info here, the event will start with a spectator stage through the streets of Carlos Paz: http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=1541

S2000 entries for Argentina should be:

Meeke (207)
Magalhaes (207)
Oliveira (207)
Hanninen (Fabia)
Kopecky (Fabia)
Wilks (Fabia)
Al-Attiyah (Fabia)
Villagra (Fiesta)

Any big ones to add? Hoping to see Pozzo and Ligato too, but I suppose they will be in normal N4 cars?

ZequeArgentina
22nd February 2010, 14:09
Pozzo will be there with Subaru N4, Ligato with Lancer Evo X.

Other quick drivers will be:
Menzi (Subaru)
Cancio (Evo X)
Madero (Evo X)
Marchetto (Evo X)
Bernardi (Evo X)

But no chance with the S2000.
I do nto know if Villagra has any test with the Fiesta prior to the rally, if not, difficutl to see him doing great.

AndyRAC
23rd February 2010, 00:54
Personally, I think the decision not to run El Condor and only have 2 day Rally is a mistake. But I do wish the organisers well.

RS
6th March 2010, 19:15
Right, on to Argentina!

Should be a bit more entertaining than Brazil with the addition of Al Attiyah and Villagra in S2000s, plus Ligato & Pozzo in the normal N4 cars. If the stages are high altitude like in Mexico, maybe they can get quite close to the S2000s?

I would expect Meeke to fight for the win again, with Hanninen and maybe Wilks too now that he has a bit more experience of the car from Brazil.

Edit: Looking at last year's times from the WRC event, Cancio, Menzi and Madero should all be pretty quick too. Anyone else?

CABAIO E'LONA
6th March 2010, 19:43
Right, on to Argentina!

Should be a bit more entertaining than Brazil with the addition of Al Attiyah and Villagra in S2000s, plus Ligato & Pozzo in the normal N4 cars. If the stages are high altitude like in Mexico, maybe they can get quite close to the S2000s?

I would expect Meeke to fight for the win again, with Hanninen and maybe Wilks too now that he has a bit more experience of the car from Brazil.

Edit: Looking at last year's times from the WRC event, Cancio, Menzi and Madero should all be pretty quick too. Anyone else?

Marchetto, Baldoni, Bernardi, Cantón...

tolis
6th March 2010, 20:07
Here is a provisional entry list... http://www.rallyargentina.com/castellano/inscriptos.php

ZequeArgentina
8th March 2010, 16:30
Gustavo trelles and Jorge del Buono will also race in Argentina, after a long stopped he has turned back in Arg. Championshiop first round with decent times.

Mirek
8th March 2010, 18:38
Today is a closing date. There are 51 crews from which 39 with 4WD cars (8 S2000).

ZequeArgentina
9th March 2010, 19:53
Entries totalled 67 (maximun is 70) even closed mailed entries are still accepted (I doubt anyone interesting could come).

So who to watch/follow?

the 8 S2000:
Meeke Peugeot 207 S2000
Hanninen Skoda Fabia S2000
Kopecký Skoda Fabia S2000
Wilks Skoda Fabia S2000
Villagra Ford Fiesta S2000
Al Attiyah, Skoda Fabia S2000
Magalhaes, Peugeot 207 S2000
Oliveira Peugeot 207 S2000 (not so much to watch from him)

Fast locals who could fight for a top 5 (even a podium is almost reasonable):
Pozzo Subaru Impreza
Ligato Mitsubishi Evo X
Menzi, Subaru Impreza
Madero, Mitsubishi Evo X
Marchetto, Mitsubishi Evo X
Cancio Mitsubishi Evo X
Bernardi Mitsubishi Evo X

Others interesting:
Trelles, Gustavo/Del Buono, Jorge Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X
Dominguez Mitsubishi Evo X
Confetti,Subaru Impreza
Baldoni, Mitsubishi Evo X
Martínez, Subaru
Padilla Mitsubishi Evo X
Canton Mitsubishi Evo IX


In a group N 4 light (standard gearboxes, differentials and some other minor limitations to usual N4)
Campos Subaru Impreza
Bassi Mitsubishi Evo IX
Kovacevich Mitsubishi Evo IX
Cacopardo Subaru WRX STI
Elvira, Mitsubishi Evo IX

In the 2WD clases only interesting driver is Rafael Tulio, Brazilean, with a Peugeot 206.

ZequeArgentina
9th March 2010, 23:10
Fnally entiesreach max of 70.
Last tim entries are not of special interest to international viewers:
1 N4 Light (Gil de MArchi), 1 Clio N2 and 1 VW Gol A6.

Luis Pacheco
11th March 2010, 13:25
http://www.ircseries.com/html/uploadedFiles/PDF/201037191625.3.EntryList.pdf

Mirek
11th March 2010, 14:47
Luis, it's dated before the closing date of entries. Watch the link posted by Tolis: http://www.rallyargentina.com/castellano/inscriptos.php

jbmarcus21
12th March 2010, 23:44
The Google Earth Map of The Rally Argentina is now online : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm

Luis Pacheco
15th March 2010, 11:08
Any of our fellow Argentines know if any local radio station will cover the rallye that we can listen online?

noel157
16th March 2010, 14:05
Any of our fellow Argentines know if any local radio station will cover the rallye that we can listen online?

Zeque would know about local stations.

The usual Peugeot UK rally radio will be broadcasting. http://www.peugeot.co.uk/about-peugeot/sport/rally/rally-radio/

noel157
16th March 2010, 14:30
Don't know if you can get this online Luis -

Cadena 3 - 106.7 FM.

ZequeArgentina
16th March 2010, 14:38
Yep, usuallu cadena 3 gives on line coverage. http://www.cadena3.com
Not confirmed yet, but http://www.cadenaeco.com.ar would do it also.

I will have to take a look

Luis Pacheco
16th March 2010, 15:33
The usual Peugeot UK rally radio will be broadcasting. http://www.peugeot.co.uk/about-peugeot/sport/rally/rally-radio/

I know noel but I also know that argentines love motorsport and usually the radio transmitions are very enthusiastics.

And for me is easy to understand the castilian language. :D

Luis Pacheco
16th March 2010, 15:34
Yep, usuallu cadena 3 gives on line coverage. www.cadena3.com (http://www.cadena3.com)
Not confirmed yet, but www.cadenaeco.com.ar (http://www.cadenaeco.com.ar) would do it also.

I will have to take a look

Gracias Zeque.

Maybe from here we can also listen the radio online.
http://www.rallyargentino.org.ar/

RS
16th March 2010, 19:13
So there is a lot of talk that the traditional N4 cars could battle at the front here with the high altitudes, sandy stages and very good N4 drivers.

I'm not convinced about that till I see it but it will be great to see some different cars battling for the points positions on merit and not just attrition.

Anyone think they can make the podium?

Mirek
16th March 2010, 19:52
High altitude affects naturally aspirated engines more than turbo units, that's true and now with bigger restrictor gr.N cars really can be able to fight on top. We could see that already in Mexico.

RS
16th March 2010, 20:27
]High altitude affects naturally aspirated engines more than turbo units, that's true and now with bigger restrictor gr.N cars really can be able to fight on top. We could see that already in Mexico.

That is true, the top pWRC boys were very close to the sWRC drivers on some stages in Mexico, although Arujo's gap behind Pons at the end was still nearly three minutes. On the other hand, Mexico was a longer rally than Argentina will be and it is hard to tell the relevant speeds of the drivers from Mexico too.

I think in 'normal' conditions the S2000 cars are still a long way ahead of the N4s, bigger restrictors or not (for example see Sweden) but maybe these variables in Argentina will make it close.

ZequeArgentina
17th March 2010, 03:02
I do nto think there is a reallistic chance for a normal N4 agianst S2000.
High altitude (not that high in this year rally of Argentina), the usual visit to "traslasierra" with he typical El Condor, has not been chosen for he IRC round.

Faster, smoother roads this time.
I guess they were looking for les atrition with a weaker entry than in WRC.

May be this are better conditions for N4, but no way better than S2000.

It is possible a top 5, I said even a podium but with some delays o problems by top S2000.

Haninen already was on times of the locals with an Evo in his first visit, so I rate him high as the candidate.

I expect Pozzo to be the fastest local, and a 5th position, with some times in top 3 or 4.

bluuford
17th March 2010, 07:05
I do nto think there is a reallistic chance for a normal N4 agianst S2000.
High altitude (not that high in this year rally of Argentina), the usual visit to "traslasierra" with he typical El Condor, has not been chosen for he IRC round.

Faster, smoother roads this time.
I guess they were looking for les atrition with a weaker entry than in WRC.

May be this are better conditions for N4, but no way better than S2000.

It is possible a top 5, I said even a podium but with some delays o problems by top S2000.

Haninen already was on times of the locals with an Evo in his first visit, so I rate him high as the candidate.

I expect Pozzo to be the fastest local, and a 5th position, with some times in top 3 or 4.
Well, traditional GrN cars has higher top end speed and that seems to be positive factor in Argentina too (very fast rally). But we will see.

RS
17th March 2010, 10:21
Well, traditional GrN cars has higher top end speed and that seems to be positive factor in Argentina too (very fast rally). But we will see.

People said that before Sweden too and N4s were nowhere close to S2000s.

I could well imagine the strong locals to be ahead of Oliveira, Villagra and maybe Magalhaes though.

Looking forward to seeing Villagra's Fiesta. I guess it will be in Munchi's colours?

Mirek
17th March 2010, 11:51
Villagra was always strong in WRC Argentina, don't underestimate him ;)

RICARDO75
17th March 2010, 16:28
Tests in Argentina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TShCqnwTfXo&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-8hz61tmRE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cy_PsAWwjw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4a8zSqLyWM&feature=player_embedded

jbmarcus21
18th March 2010, 13:43
Program, Entry List, Google Earth Map, Mobile Live Results : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/argentineirc10.htm

ZequeArgentina
18th March 2010, 22:02
Not much people interested in IRC Argentina. Little pickems, and not many comments here

PLuto
18th March 2010, 22:23
Design of Federico Villagra (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=10056)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/48517c8290ba779959f0bfc517986e7f.jpg

PLuto
18th March 2010, 22:26
Not much people interested in IRC Argentina. Little pickems, and not many comments here

Actually 43 pickems isnt bad number...

Luis Pacheco
18th March 2010, 23:52
Not much people interested in IRC Argentina. Little pickems, and not many comments here

This year I´m seeing more pickems then last year.

PLuto
19th March 2010, 00:22
Despite they are activating them too late. Due to I missed pickems for Curitiba (I was returning from Rallye des Routes du Nord and missed deadline for two hours :( )

PLuto
19th March 2010, 03:17
Who is interested, photogallery from test Skoda Motorsport and Nasser Al Attiyah (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=10053)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/a49e4f72fe5b2138672491778c147fad.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/1e7dcea9cc6f77719b632ff34b0f0f8a.jpg

PLuto
19th March 2010, 03:19
And, of course, official results of Rally Argentina (http://irc-results.com/2010/irc/argentina)

RS
19th March 2010, 10:46
Al-Attiyah and I guess Villagra will probably run Pirelli tyres, I wonder whether this will be an advantage or disadvantage in terms of performance and puncture-proofness?

RS
19th March 2010, 12:29
Shakedown 12pm-6pm CET, hopefully we'll get some news from that.

The superspecial stage this evening is being screened on Argentinean TV, anyone know if this tv station does live online streaming?

RICARDO75
19th March 2010, 12:31
And, of course, official results of Rally Argentina (http://irc-results.com/2010/irc/argentina)

Shakedown as started.

RS
19th March 2010, 12:34
The superspecial stage this evening is being screened on Argentinean TV, anyone know if this tv station does live online streaming?

To answer my own question, looks like it does!:

http://www.livestation.com/account/streams/5709036-canal_12_cordoba

ProRally
19th March 2010, 13:04
Just read that BIG thunderstorm last night and Service park almost floating towards the lake.... :)
Like we had in 2007, we had 35cm of water in the SP :D :D

RS
19th March 2010, 13:34
Just read that BIG thunderstorm last night and Service park almost floating towards the lake.... :)
Like we had in 2007, we had 35cm of water in the SP :D :D

Hope that doesn't mean stage cancellations or other problems like we had in Brazil :(

noel157
19th March 2010, 13:59
Meeke and Wilks have both stopped on the SD stage. Broken suspension, now repaired and ready for another pass. Must be bad.

This from another stage:

http://blog.krismeeke.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/p_2048_1536_3FA3AE9D-6207-4343-B821-D49ACC4126AF.jpeg

Mirek
19th March 2010, 14:14
That photo is from El Condor according to Kris's blog. This stage is not part of the rally this year.

noel157
19th March 2010, 14:28
]That photo is from El Condor according to Kris's blog. This stage is not part of the rally this year.

I know Mirek, it was meant to be an example of the flood damage caused to the older WRC stages, and according to a text this morning some of weekend's stages are badly rutted due to the rain with exposed rocks etc..
I should have worded it better.

noel157
19th March 2010, 14:45
Some SD times from Meeke blog:

Nasser 5m32
Hanninen 5m16
Kopecy 5m24
Villagra 5m28

Mirek
19th March 2010, 15:23
Thanks Noel

Wim_Impreza
19th March 2010, 15:38
]That photo is from El Condor according to Kris's blog. This stage is not part of the rally this year.

That is really a shame, it is a classic stage in this rally.

Mirek
19th March 2010, 16:06
They run the stage in Rally Mina Clevero two weeks a go I think.

RICARDO75
19th March 2010, 16:20
new photos from Kris Meeke shakedown
http://blog.krismeeke.com/2010/03/shakedown-5/

noel157
19th March 2010, 16:21
Right, I'm on the ball now :) :

From recce:

http://blog.krismeeke.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/p_2048_1536_FC6911CE-0A30-4CCA-B9BC-22DC7D7C33FB.jpeg

Other pictures and more SD times:

http://blog.krismeeke.com/

fmcv
19th March 2010, 16:31
First things first. just arrived to the forum so I must greet everyone, specially my friend Luis Pacheco. We haven't meet for a long time and now I found you here!

About the rally, I strongly believe that good (or bad) luck will play a decisive role in what concerns finding the winner in Argentina. To be quick will just not be enough.

RS
19th March 2010, 16:37
About the rally, I strongly believe that good (or bad) luck will play a decisive role in what concerns finding the winner in Argentina. To be quick will just not be enough.

I agree... 2 suspension breakages in shakedown already, bad weather and potential of punctures on very rough roads. It's gonna be tough!

RICARDO75
19th March 2010, 17:49
Today's super special stage

http://www.rallyargentino.org.ar/foto_noti/Super_Especial_WEB.jpg

Luis Pacheco
19th March 2010, 17:51
Welcome Francisco, my friend.

Nice to see you here too. Another IRC round this weekend and is party time over here. :D

Luis Pacheco
19th March 2010, 17:56
Today's super special stage

http://www.rallyargentino.org.ar/foto_noti/Super_Especial_WEB.jpg

Is not only in Portuguese super special stages that roundabouts are in fashion. :D

Mirek
19th March 2010, 17:58
Shakedown photos: http://www.rallyargentina.com/castellano/amplia_cate.php?categoria=57&Submit=Ampliar

Luis Pacheco
19th March 2010, 19:08
Hanninen was the fastest in the Shakedown. (5m16,9)

Translation of the news from www.rallyreportnews.com.ar (http://www.rallyreportnews.com.ar)

Juho Hanninen Mikko was extremely fast with the Skoda Fabia Super 2000 took the best record in the qualifying stage tuning, testing the Bicentenary of the IRC Rally Argentina 2010, dominating at length with a total time of 5m 16, 9 sec surpassing teammate Czech Jan Kopecky, using the backup car for the Skoda team, because the problem happened in court yesterday with the car owner, having the directors of Skoda Motorsport Michael Hrabanek and Pavel Hortek very upset with the situation, and lost many chances to take the car to the next race of the IRC in the Canary Islands in Spain.
As for the English pilots Kris Meeke (Peugeot 207 Super 2000 / Team Kronos) and Guy Wilks (Skoda Fabia Super 2000 / Team Skoda UK) had technical drawbacks in their units and were left behind in the scoring 26 times 5m , 5 sec, the UK and the Czech manufacturer's protected Flying Scotsman Colin McRae remembered, ended in fifth place with a time of 5m 28, 7 seconds, ahead of Nasser Al Attiyah, the crowd favorite with his Skoda Cordova Rene Georges Rally Sport.
Federico Villagra While the new Ford Fiesta Super 2000 Ford WRT Munchies, finished in sixth position, with a steady rhythm, using Pirelli tires, leaving more than 10 seconds Hanninen, the fastest of today's shakedown .
The best ranked Argentine Luciano Bernardi was the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X VRS beating the Portuguese Bruno Magalhaes with another car of the compa French lion, with attention in the subsidiary Lusitanian track.
Another fact of importance was the founding act of the Colin McRae Vision with the presence of Alison McRae, wife of unforgettable Mcrash, who gave important elements for the public hospital in Villa Carlos Paz.
on the other hand within hours the real action begins with the completion of the Rally Super Special in the coastal tourist town, a small path with asphalt floor, which is very refreshing to rally our nation, anxiously awaiting the release of same with the Qatari Nasser Al Attiyah opened the competition with the Fabia S2000 RGRS of Belgium.

Pablo MACHI
www.rallyreportnews.com.ar (http://www.rallyreportnews.com.ar)

Mirek
19th March 2010, 19:18
What exactly is the problem with Skoda second car? I don't get it...

Luis Pacheco
19th March 2010, 19:24
The argentine press talks about a "problema judicial" with the car on the scrutineering yesterday. A customs issue maybe.

Mirek
19th March 2010, 19:34
Thanks

Shakedown results:

1 Juho Hänninen 5m16.9s
2 Jan Kopecký 5m24.3s
3 Guy Wilks 5m26.5s
4 Kris Meeke 5m28.7s
5 Federico Villagra 5m28.8s
6 Nasser Al-Attiyah 5m32.1s
7 Bruno Magalhaes 5m33.2s
8 Luciano Bernardi 5m35.5s
9 Daniel Oliveira 5m44.3s
10 Geronimo Padilla 5m46.8s

noel157
19th March 2010, 19:46
Good thing Skoda took 3 cars out, lucky. Must have been a paperwork problem about temporary importation as mentioned, not good for rally publicity.

Nothing on the Czech sites about it?

Barreis
19th March 2010, 19:55
]Thanks

Shakedown results:

1 Juho Hänninen 5m16.9s
2 Jan Kopecký 5m24.3s
3 Guy Wilks 5m26.5s
4 Kris Meeke 5m28.7s
5 Federico Villagra 5m28.8s
6 Nasser Al-Attiyah 5m32.1s
7 Bruno Magalhaes 5m33.2s
8 Luciano Bernardi 5m35.5s
9 Daniel Oliveira 5m44.3s
10 Geronimo Padilla 5m46.8s

Finn was flying..

Salist
19th March 2010, 21:05
Somewhere given online the SS1?

RS
19th March 2010, 21:12
It is on Canal12 Cordoba, I had an address for a live stream at livestation.com but it is not working. It is on Rally Radio, and times are here: http://irc-results.com/2010/irc/argentina/1irc.php

fmcv
19th March 2010, 21:17
I tryed to find canal12 cordoba in another online tv server but I couldn't find any ono working

noel157
19th March 2010, 21:18
Can't get the link to work either. Pity, sounds like a fun stage.

Anybody else got a link?

Luis Pacheco
19th March 2010, 21:31
I tried some links but they are all offline.

noel157
19th March 2010, 21:34
Thanks Luis.

dimviii
19th March 2010, 21:38
this site also has good info :)
http://www.rallyargentino.org.ar/index.php

Salist
19th March 2010, 21:39
only radio... :(

Salist
19th March 2010, 21:40
Kris the fastest... :)

noel157
19th March 2010, 21:40
Is it reverse top 10 in the morning or do the crews start as per results of SS1?

Mirek
19th March 2010, 21:45
Another small fire for Fiesta...

dimviii
19th March 2010, 21:51
it is not a ss to compare but first turbo n4 has lost 8,4sec @ 4km. :(
2sec/km is a lot.

m.lowe
19th March 2010, 21:52
]Another small fire for Fiesta...
Hope its not the same problem like in South Africa Mirek

Mirek
19th March 2010, 21:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JP8YXpc2y8

Shakedown ;)

m.lowe
19th March 2010, 22:01
Thanks Mirek
Good footage

Salist
19th March 2010, 22:21
Mirek: You are very quick... :) :)

noel157
19th March 2010, 22:30
Mirek: You are very quick... :) :)


So I hear.... :)

alleskids
19th March 2010, 22:47
Villagra was on fire, even before he started the rally :) ?

Ondra WRC
20th March 2010, 11:09
What is weather in Argentina?

Mirek
20th March 2010, 12:00
Villagra was on fire, even before he started the rally :) ?

http://www.rallyargentino.org.ar/ampliar_noticia.php?id_noti=2771

Onboard camera cables took fire from exhaust according to this article.

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 12:24
First stage should be live now, isn't it? Is there any site that gives some live covery? :)

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 12:29
Anybody has any idea about starting order today?

Sulland
20th March 2010, 12:33
Anybody has any idea about starting order today?
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=1623

RS
20th March 2010, 12:33
Anybody has any idea about starting order today?

1 Nasser Al-Attiyah
2 Juho Hänninen
3 Guy Wilks
4 Federico Villagra
5 Kris Meeke
6 Gabriel Pozzo
7 Claudio Menzi
8 Jan Kopecký
9 Nicolás Madero
10 Marcos Ligato

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 12:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5aSLFKFGg

Yesterday stage onboard.

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 12:36
Best time for Hanninen. Wilks more 7.1s

RS
20th March 2010, 12:46
N4s still seem to be 1s/km off the pace of the s2000s on this stage.

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 12:46
Meeke about 5 sec slower as Hanninen.

fmcv
20th March 2010, 12:51
1 mm is not enough for the N4s. In Spain they have a larger restrictor and they continue to buy S2000's...

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 12:54
I´m listen argentine radio. They told one of the stages was cut in about 8 kms.

The comentary are absoluty fantastic. Are like from a football match :D

fmcv
20th March 2010, 12:55
Bruno Magalhães keeps off the pace... Or something has happened...

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 12:55
Ligato with 10s of penalty.

fmcv
20th March 2010, 12:56
Luís, give us the link for that radio station. Rally Radio just left us when the 2nd was about to arrive...

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 12:56
Yes, it isn't such a great time by Bruno, maybe he had some issue?

RS
20th March 2010, 12:56
Bruno Magalhães keeps off the pace... Or something has happened...

Bruno not so bad compared to the guys who have a lot of experience here, but a long way off the top IRC guys. I think some points here would be a good result for Bruno.

fmcv
20th March 2010, 13:00
Bruno not so bad compared to the guys who have a lot of experience here, but a long way off the top IRC guys. I think some points here would be a good result for Bruno.

Absolutely. But it's too much time lost. more than 1sec/km...

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 13:00
Is the real pace of Magalhães. Nothing that we didn´t see in MC and in Brazil.

http://www.cadena3.com/multimedia.asp?programacion=LV3 – AM 70

Madeira
20th March 2010, 13:11
I´m listen argentine radio. They told one of the stages was cut in about 8 kms.

The comentary are absoluty fantastic. Are like from a football match :D

What a crazy broadcast!!!! :D Which car are Maradona driving?

ProRally
20th March 2010, 13:14
SS3 live

fmcv
20th March 2010, 13:20
GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :laugh:

WRC1
20th March 2010, 13:28
villagra again faster than nasser!! that surprises me ....

sure it is villagras home ground, but i rated nasser much higher as driver...

fmcv
20th March 2010, 13:30
villagra again faster than nasser!! that surprises me ....

sure it is villagras home ground, but i rated nasser much higher as driver...

He's opening the road...

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 13:35
Hanninen again faster as Meeke, but only for 1 second after 20 Kms of stage :)

Wim_Impreza
20th March 2010, 13:39
villagra again faster than nasser!! that surprises me ....

sure it is villagras home ground, but i rated nasser much higher as driver...

I don't have Nasser in my pickems, I think that says enough? ;) I had no high expectations and the local guys are fast as we know.

Mirek
20th March 2010, 13:47
Oliveira off road.

fmcv
20th March 2010, 13:52
No punctures yet. I'm quite surprised...

alleskids
20th March 2010, 13:55
I expected more of Al Attuyah, expecialy having the most experience in Argentina. His dream of taking 4 title's (SWRC-IRC-MERC-Rally raids) in 2010 is becoming a real challange. He should have sticked to the Ford Fiesta S2000, then he would have an advance over the Peugeot and the Skoda I think.

WRC1
20th March 2010, 13:56
]Oliveira off road.


any info about damages on the car?

Mirek
20th March 2010, 13:57
He just finished. Spectators helped them to get back on the road. Only cosmetic damage.

RS
20th March 2010, 13:58
I expected more of Al Attuyah, expecialy having the most experience in Argentina. His dream of taking 4 title's (SWRC-IRC-MERC-Rally raids) in 2010 is becoming a real challange. He should have sticked to the Ford Fiesta S2000, then he would have an advance over the Peugeot and the Skoda I think.

Do you think so?

A Skoda is leading this rally...

Nasser is good, but he doesn't have much experience with S2000 cars and the guys at ther front of IRC are very fast.

Mirek
20th March 2010, 13:58
I expected more of Al Attuyah, expecialy having the most experience in Argentina. His dream of taking 4 title's (SWRC-IRC-MERC-Rally raids) in 2010 is becoming a real challange. He should have sticked to the Ford Fiesta S2000, then he would have an advance over the Peugeot and the Skoda I think.

He is VW works driver and there are all other Skodas infront of him ;)

WRC1
20th March 2010, 13:59
I expected more of Al Attuyah, expecialy having the most experience in Argentina. His dream of taking 4 title's (SWRC-IRC-MERC-Rally raids) in 2010 is becoming a real challange. He should have sticked to the Ford Fiesta S2000, then he would have an advance over the Peugeot and the Skoda I think.


after brasilia and the first two stages here he should forget the IRC and SWRC titels...also MERC will be difficult against AlQuassimi in Fiesta, only real chance is in rally raid :)

WRC1
20th March 2010, 14:01
]He just finished. Spectators helped them to get back on the road. Only cosmetic damage.

thx!

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 14:05
Stage four allready on it's way, see if Meeke can strike back. :)

alleskids
20th March 2010, 14:06
Do you think so?

A Skoda is leading this rally...

Nasser is good, but he doesn't have much experience with S2000 cars and the guys at ther front of IRC are very fast.

How hard is it to adapt from group N (turbo, 4wd, 2.0l) to S2000 (2.0l 4wd)? Even with the experience Al Attiyah has?

RS
20th March 2010, 14:10
after brasilia and the first two stages here he should forget the IRC and SWRC titels...also MERC will be difficult against AlQuassimi in Fiesta, only real chance is in rally raid :)

I think Nasser is better than AlCashMachine but I think sWRC and IRC will be hard for him, especially IRC asphalt rounds.

ProRally
20th March 2010, 14:15
Turbo you drive with torque

In Mexico had LONG talk to him, he said looking at the data .... at start of stage he shifts ok (high rpm) but once stage is longer he 'drops' back to turbo mode and shifts too early. These S2000 need really high rpm shifting to keep the power on.
He will get there, needs to adapt a bit more

In Rally Raid he has 2 turbo's on the Touareg :D :D

WRC1
20th March 2010, 14:21
I think Nasser is better than AlCashMachine but I think sWRC and IRC will be hard for him, especially IRC asphalt rounds.

if he can do all rounds in MERC i would agree...but due to his international program he skipped already 1 rally and now it is not enough to beat alquassimi in the remaining races, he must hope for some bad luck....

RS
20th March 2010, 14:23
Stage win for Wilks on SS4, he takes 3.5s out of Meeke.

Mirek
20th March 2010, 14:24
Looks like a battle of three on top. Nice start :)

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 14:43
Stage 5 is live now, i think this stage is the one that has been shortened by 8 kms?

RS
20th March 2010, 14:45
Stage 5 is live now, i think this stage is the one that has been shortened by 8 kms?

Yes, on the results page it now says 8.46km instead of 16.46km.

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 14:52
Hanninen fastest again sofar, beating Wilks by 4 sec.

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 14:56
Wilks is coming very close to Meeke in overall standings for second place, being only 0.2 sec behind Chris.

PLuto
20th March 2010, 14:56
Yes, on the results page it now says 8.46km instead of 16.46km.

It is only my tip ;-) I know they have shortened it about around 8 kms, but I dont know exact length.

alleskids
20th March 2010, 15:05
Al Attiyah will do 6 out of 8 MERC, missing Kuwait (were Al Qassimi won) and Saudi Arabia. Al Qassimi will do 7 out of 8. He drove the first, but failed to finish. Both have 10 points.

ZequeArgentina
20th March 2010, 15:06
As I expected, noral N4 had no chance over S2000, and Pozzo is the best so far rounding the 6 or 7th positions, likely the bestbe can expect except atrition help him up (but he is also having his own problemswith the Subaru so far).

I really donto understand Nasser performance,Villagra (who is amuch better dirver than he shows in the Focus WRC) adapated much faster, and I expect after service to see him even beter.

Rally Hokkaido
20th March 2010, 15:43
Is Meeke's engine losing power? I can't understand comment after SS5 on ewrc-results

Mirek
20th March 2010, 15:50
No, only his cut-off shift doesn't work so I presume he had to use clutch when shifting.

RS
20th March 2010, 15:50
Is Meeke's engine losing power? I can't understand comment after SS5 on ewrc-results

There is a problem with the cut off on the gear change (engine normally cuts power on gear change automatically so the driver doesn't have to lift off the throttle) It should be an easy fix in service.

PLuto
20th March 2010, 16:02
Is Meeke's engine losing power? I can't understand comment after SS5 on ewrc-results

Why you are watching comments on ewrc-results? On official result pages it is in english...

RS
20th March 2010, 16:37
They have just talked to Nasser on the radio and he thinks that running first on the road has not been good for him, so we will see what happens this afternoon. He also says he needs to adapt better to the S2000 cars and also to change the setup of the car a little.

Rally Hokkaido
20th March 2010, 16:39
Why you are watching comments on ewrc-results? On official result pages it is in english...

OK, thanks.

PLuto
20th March 2010, 16:43
Starting list into first leg-section two (http://www.irc-results.com/2010/irc/argentina/2etapa.php) (today morning)

Mirek
20th March 2010, 16:53
Great photos from Petr Lusk: http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=960&fotograf=2&all=1

WRC1
20th March 2010, 17:32
]Great photos from Petr Lusk: http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=960&fotograf=2&all=1

these pictures are indeed GREAT!!!!

wow!

HaCo
20th March 2010, 17:38
Yep, very nice!

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 18:49
The Rallye Argentina´s official sponsor has a very nice contest to choose the queen of the rallye. :eek: :D

http://www.cadena3.com/contenido/2010/03/20/49267.asp

Luis Pacheco
20th March 2010, 19:04
Stage 6 has started.

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 19:05
Those pictures look great indeed, very, very nice. :)

ZequeArgentina
20th March 2010, 19:07
The Rallye Argentina´s official sponsor has a very nice contest to choose the queen of the rallye. :eek: :D

http://www.cadena3.com/contenido/2010/03/20/49267.asp

In your same "line of interest" whach here: http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/?q=content/las-mejores-curvas-del-rally-3

Barreis
20th March 2010, 19:12
:)

Mirek
20th March 2010, 19:17
Double puncture for Nasser :(

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 19:17
Puncture for Nasser, loosing 1,5 minutes to Juho. :(

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 19:20
Juho had to pass Nasser on the stage, so maybe he lost a bit of time there. He is still faster then Wilks tough, let's wait for the time of Meeke.

ZequeArgentina
20th March 2010, 19:22
Pass Nasser? don´t they start every 2 minutes? Nasser did not lost that much

Mirek
20th March 2010, 19:26
Yes, they are starting in 2 minutes intervals.

WRC1
20th March 2010, 19:27
meeke wrong tires, double lead for SKODA!!

dont understand why hänninen had to pass nasser?? 2 min startintervall??

ZequeArgentina
20th March 2010, 19:31
Pluto, for irc-results.com
Pozzo hada broken differnetial cassing which was fixed in service, but was late to time control, was penalized 10 secs.

PLuto
20th March 2010, 19:37
Pluto, for irc-results.com
Pozzo hada broken differnetial cassing which was fixed in service, but was late to time control, was penalized 10 secs.

Thanks.

WRC1
20th March 2010, 20:18
where is villagra????

juho is in fantastic form!

sorry villagra is there!

RS
20th March 2010, 20:56
Puncture for Kris on the last 2km of SS8, dropped 20s so Guy is a bit more comfortable on 2nd now.

fmcv
20th March 2010, 21:00
Those are really bad news. I was expecting a big fight from the two brits...

Mirek
20th March 2010, 21:02
It's still possible.

WRC1
20th March 2010, 21:06
Those are really bad news. I was expecting a big fight from the two brits...

agree!! the fight of the brits today was very nice, now kris is to far behind wilks for a real fight...

RS
20th March 2010, 21:09
agree!! the fight of the brits today was very nice, now kris is to far behind wilks for a real fight...

18.8s is not that much, I'm sure Meeke won't give up!

wwbroe
20th March 2010, 21:09
I think we can still see nice fight between Wilks and Meeke tomorrow. I am surprised by Wilk's speed to be honoust but good for the title fight. Juho was really too strong today, only some problem can take away victory from him, but i really hope he will keep the lead till the end. :)

RS
21st March 2010, 00:42
Nice footage from Eurosport this evening, much better than the stuff from Brazil.

PLuto
21st March 2010, 01:07
Starting order into second leg (http://www.irc-results.com/2010/irc/argentina/3etapa.php)

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 12:05
Claudio Menzi and his codriver did wake up late and penalized 50s at the start of today´s leg. Good news for Magalhães.

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 12:08
Argentine radio is saying the weather is good today and at the moment there is no fog at the top of the stages.

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 12:45
Good time for Pozzo.

Mirek
21st March 2010, 12:48
Big gaps in this stage. It's the highest stage I think.

RS
21st March 2010, 13:35
Problems for Villagra on SS9? The gap is huge, 3s/km...

PLuto
21st March 2010, 13:49
Problems for Villagra on SS9? The gap is huge, 3s/km...

He isnt satisfied with engine power...

bt52b
21st March 2010, 13:49
Meeke lost loads of time on SS9 and SS10 with an engine sensor problem. Will be lucky no to lose at least another 30secs on the next two stages at this rate.

RS
21st March 2010, 13:52
He isnt satisfied with engine power...

I would tend to agree with the guys on the radio - that he is not committed enough in the corners and not keeping the engine on song. He has been quite slow all rally. Maybe underestimated the competition a little, like Al-Attiyah.

RS
21st March 2010, 13:52
Meeke lost loads of time on SS9 and SS10 with an engine sensor problem. Will be lucky no to lose at least another 30secs on the next two stages at this rate.

He only has to worry about Kopecky, who is not fast enough to close the gap I think...

fmcv
21st March 2010, 14:02
Yesterday on argentinian radio they were saying that it was shame the Fiesta S2000 could not pair the commitment of Villagra... Different aproaches ;)

Mirek
21st March 2010, 14:09
Nasser is missing...

fmcv
21st March 2010, 14:18
Nasser had a problem in a water crossing. He stoped but is on the run again.

fmcv
21st March 2010, 14:33
Nasser retired

RS
21st March 2010, 15:22
Anyone else having problems viewing videos on the IRC official site? I am getting the message "Get the Flash Player to see the video" but I already have it!

PLuto
21st March 2010, 15:23
Anyone else having problems viewing videos on the IRC official site? I am getting the message "Get the Flash Player to see the video" but I already have it!

Same problem for me.

noel157
21st March 2010, 15:23
Looks like Skoda UK will decide if they'll commit more money and do Gran Canaria according to RR. This season is going to be very competitive.

ZequeArgentina
21st March 2010, 15:23
SS12, best stage for Pozzo so far, 6 seconds after motre than 19 km.
He may be ableto catch Villagra (even after his penalty yesterday) and get the win for the local championship.

A comment, Villagra is using Pirellis admitted in National Championship, not the ones the M-Sport usually use, in ordet to get points for local champ., i do not know how much difference they can give.

Mirek
21st March 2010, 15:26
There are some problems with timing. In the moment we don't get more times. Please be patient. We don't know if there is some problem with Villagra or only his time is missing.

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 15:36
http://www.okin.com.ar/tiempos/2010/carrera02/GRAL_PE12.HTM

RS
21st March 2010, 15:36
Villagra through but drops behind Pozzo.

PLuto
21st March 2010, 15:38
http://www.okin.com.ar/tiempos/2010/carrera02/GRAL_PE12.HTM

This wasnt working too. We have direct line with results from organisers. If it isnt working, it is the same here and also on official IRC results.

PLuto
21st March 2010, 15:58
Daniel Oliveira crashed on SS 11

Catiocha7
21st March 2010, 16:18
Nasser retired

Why ? :(

RS
21st March 2010, 16:24
Why ? :(

Water in the engine at a river crossing, they decided to stop to not damage the engine further as they were out of the points anyway.

PLuto
21st March 2010, 16:29
Why ? :(

Engine problems after watersplash.

Catiocha7
21st March 2010, 16:34
Thanks Ron & Pluto
:)

Madeira
21st March 2010, 17:25
It has been a great rally for Skoda, showing his power over their contenders....specially the engine built by Oreca. I´m wrong?

RS
21st March 2010, 17:33
It has been a great rally for Skoda, showing his power over their contenders....specially the engine built by Oreca. I´m wrong?

I agree. I think the engine and suspension are the best bits of the Fabia, and it has shown here well. It's not over yet though!

bt52b
21st March 2010, 18:05
Anyone else having problems viewing videos on the IRC official site? I am getting the message "Get the Flash Player to see the video" but I already have it!


Same problem for me.

Have you tried uninstalling flash and doing a fresh install of the latest version. Might work.

fmcv
21st March 2010, 18:08
Somo problems with people walking through the stages. Organizers say that they might cancel the stages. Not sure but I think this is happening on SS14.

ZequeArgentina
21st March 2010, 18:21
Sometimes the organizers send those rumours through the radio to make spctators (listening to the radio) to shout other spectators (wrongly placed) t get better locationsso as not to make the stage cacelled. hopefully that is the case.

RS
21st March 2010, 18:26
SS13 running, Juho and Wilks through.

RS
21st March 2010, 18:32
Nice time by JK, slow again by Villagra - let's see if Pozzo can stay ahead.

WRC1
21st March 2010, 18:36
Federico Villagra (2): There are no improvements on the car.

me thinks that car is ok, at least hirvonen showed this in monte...improvements should be made behind steering wheel ;)

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 18:36
One policeman at the radio told the spectators were walking on the middle of the road making hard they work. But is normal this kind of situation and the spectators are many today suprising the organizers.

fmcv
21st March 2010, 18:37
Everything is ok now with the spectators.

Mirek
21st March 2010, 18:42
Federico Villagra (2): There are no improvements on the car.

me thinks that car is ok, at least hirvonen showed this in monte...improvements should be made behind steering wheel ;)

Colin said on the radio that his car sounds very rough.

RS
21st March 2010, 18:46
]Colin said on the radio that his car sounds very rough.

But as you know, S2000s sound rough on idle anyway. Is it really that likely that the car has had an engine problem for the whole rally but one that neither can be fixed, nor is terminal?

Villagra's gap in s/km to the leaders is actually bigger this year than in the WRC event last year.

RS
21st March 2010, 19:10
Juho and Wilks through the last proper stage :up:

RS
21st March 2010, 19:12
Meeke problem, Skoda 1-2-3!

Mirek
21st March 2010, 19:13
Ou, that's shocking news!

fmcv
21st March 2010, 19:15
Meeke? what kind of problem?

Storm approaching the rally area...

Madeira
21st March 2010, 19:15
Kris Meeke something happened very bad time or time error...

PLuto
21st March 2010, 19:17
Kris Meeke something happened very bad time or time error...

It looks not time error, Kopecky was in finish earlier than Kris.

fmcv
21st March 2010, 19:19
Hail storm in Vila Carlos Paz... Those 3km could have some drama.

RS
21st March 2010, 19:21
There is a big gap for the next times to come through, it could be an error on the times for Kris...

Madeira
21st March 2010, 19:22
It looks not time error, Kopecky was in finish earlier than Kris.
Thank you, so Meeke could be in big troubles to reach the finish line....
Maybe a puncture....

noel157
21st March 2010, 19:22
Meeke has broken suspension, front strut I think.

Madeira
21st March 2010, 19:24
Mechanical failure...for Meeke!! (steering)

RS
21st March 2010, 19:24
They say steering link on the radio.

Mirek
21st March 2010, 19:26
Steering tight on previous stage then suspension broke without warning on last stage. Long road section to finish could be a problem.

From Kris's blog. That's really bad for him.

fmcv
21st March 2010, 19:27
The official site says broken suspension

White Sauron
21st March 2010, 19:27
Villagra's gap in s/km to the leaders is actually bigger this year than in the WRC event last year.

The same was with Rautenbach when he competed in one IRC round last year...S2000 cars are more difficult to drive...

noel157
21st March 2010, 19:28
This is Yazeed Al-Rajhi's MERC car isn't it?

Mirek
21st March 2010, 19:30
Yes, it should be one of two cars used by Al Rahji. Both were always serviced by Kronos.

Madeira
21st March 2010, 19:31
This is Yazeed Al-Rajhi's MERC car isn't it?

According S2000 database yes! and the same Pug that Kris used in Curitiba...

WRC1
21st March 2010, 19:31
skoda 1-2-3

gratulujem!!!! velmi dobre ;)

poor kris, this rally was not good to him :(

Luis Pacheco
21st March 2010, 19:32
In Argentina like in Portugal the radio cut off the rallye coverage before the finish to bring the football matches! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

fmcv
21st March 2010, 19:35
"Technical problems with results transfer".
This might be the storm producing its effects...

RS
21st March 2010, 19:52
More results in; Pozzo should be good for 4th. Kris down to 6th but sounds as if he may have problems to get to the finish...

RS
21st March 2010, 20:22
Meeke out :(

Shame, but at least Peugeot UK have budget for the whole season.

Mirek
21st March 2010, 20:22
If I heard Greg on the radio well, Kris Meeke retired.

noel157
21st March 2010, 20:40
First mechanical retirement ever for Meeke in the 207 I think, no?

RS
21st March 2010, 20:42
So the rally is pretty much finished...

+ Perfect drive by Juho
+ Great weekend for Skoda
+ Very solid performance by Wilks
+ Great job by Pozzo to beat an S2000 car
+ Great to have three different drivers and three different cars win the first 3 events of 2010!

- Villagra & Al Attiyah slower than expected
- Reliability problems for Peugeot on rough surface

ZequeArgentina
21st March 2010, 20:45
I do nto think there is a reallistic chance for a normal N4 agianst S2000.
High altitude (not that high in this year rally of Argentina), the usual visit to "traslasierra" with he typical El Condor, has not been chosen for he IRC round.

Faster, smoother roads this time.
I guess they were looking for les atrition with a weaker entry than in WRC.

May be this are better conditions for N4, but no way better than S2000.

It is possible a top 5, I said even a podium but with some delays o problems by top S2000.

Haninen already was on times of the locals with an Evo in his first visit, so I rate him high as the candidate.

I expect Pozzo to be the fastest local, and a 5th position, with some times in top 3 or 4.

This was my post on March 17th.
Normal group N did exactly what I expected, Pozzo is finally 4th, after problems from Meeke, so quite what expected!

Pitty for Meeke and the championship.
Haninne is very strong right there!

Mirek
21st March 2010, 20:49
It's still no big problem for Meeke. Best 7 of 12 are counted.

ZequeArgentina
21st March 2010, 20:50
But Meeke has already 2 DNF, and Haninen very good results.
Kopecky already commented they are seeing if it is possible to go to Canarias

RS
21st March 2010, 20:54
But Meeke has already 2 DNF, and Haninen very good results.
Kopecky already commented they are seeing if it is possible to go to Canarias

True, but as I wrote to RallyRadio, Hanninen needed this start to the year with lots of tarmac coming up. He is good on tarmac too, but there should be lots of fast guys on the tarmac rounds, especially when Abarth join in. It should be a very interesting championship, and Mikkelsen is coming too!

GTA
21st March 2010, 21:30
Water in the engine at a river crossing, they decided to stop to not damage the engine further as they were out of the points anyway.

Not Water IN Engine.... Water caused Electrical system to mal function... thats why he had to retire.

Catiocha7
21st March 2010, 22:41
Skooooooooooda ...

The greatest

:)

RS
21st March 2010, 23:58
Skooooooooooda ...

The greatest

:)

:up:

Only one stage the whole weekend was not won by a Skoda :)

ZequeArgentina
22nd March 2010, 00:44
And Meeke´s win was only first superspecial, not a proper stage

Sulland
22nd March 2010, 08:57
Skoda Uk have done a scoop with Wilks !

Wim_Impreza
22nd March 2010, 09:41
Congratulations to Škoda and the drivers. Only Al-Attiyah wasn't on the pace, but I expected this.

A shame for Meeke, but that is rally.

Is there already more known about the program of Vouilloz?

Cristian Confetti was in the begin of the rally Italian and now he is Argentinean. :D

bluuford
22nd March 2010, 09:52
Well, I just watched Eurosport coverage in Argentina. It was so much better than Curtiba. Well, there was not too many close fights but they really managed to give me an impression that there was areal rally in Argentina. So, I assume that when they do two events in one weekend they have just 50% less staff and time for both events. I really expect that they will not arrange rally and WTCC at the same weekend ijn the future. Maybe the solution will be one week apart. Those "eco" coverages are not much better than nothing.

RS
22nd March 2010, 10:39
Well, I just watched Eurosport coverage in Argentina. It was so much better than Curtiba. Well, there was not too many close fights but they really managed to give me an impression that there was areal rally in Argentina. So, I assume that when they do two events in one weekend they have just 50% less staff and time for both events. I really expect that they will not arrange rally and WTCC at the same weekend ijn the future. Maybe the solution will be one week apart. Those "eco" coverages are not much better than nothing.

You are absolutely right Bluuford. Here in the UK the commentary was a bit disjointed from the pictures at times, but the footage itself was actually great. Big improvement :up:

ZequeArgentina
22nd March 2010, 14:17
Cristian Confetti was in the begin of the rally Italian and now he is Argentinean. :D


Confetti was born in italy, and has Italian nationality.
He lives and works in Argentina since long ago, and his rally carreer (and license) has been made in Argentina. This is all a fact.
He may also have Argentinean nationality.

Wim_Impreza
22nd March 2010, 14:41
OK, thank you.

PLuto
22nd March 2010, 14:50
Confetti was born in italy, and has Italian nationality.
He lives and works in Argentina since long ago, and his rally carreer (and license) has been made in Argentina. This is all a fact.
He may also have Argentinean nationality.

On entry list he was italian, on start list argentinian...

Maybe the reason - he has italian nationality, but his sporting licence is from Argentina. And in the results, there is is important nationality of licence...

RS
22nd March 2010, 17:55
Have you tried uninstalling flash and doing a fresh install of the latest version. Might work.

(Re: rally-irc.com videos)

Thanks for the tip, it worked :)

PLuto
22nd March 2010, 19:23
(Re: rally-irc.com videos)

Thanks for the tip, it worked :)

Problem was on side of Eurosport, now it is working also without reinstalling ;)

Mirek
24th March 2010, 00:45
Some action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuccFvyQtwY

RS
24th March 2010, 10:04
]Some action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuccFvyQtwY

Good video, looks like a nice event to spectate at that.

Ok, it is only one corner but you could really see the difference between the styles and commitment of the top guys vs. Villagra in that video, although even the slower guys in the S2000s look good!