Future Rally Media Coverage

[rallyfiend]

Since they started producing the TV programmes in HD this year, I reckon the on-board camera footage and locations have improved quite a lot.

[Lundgaard]

Since they started producing the TV programmes in HD this year, I reckon the on-board camera footage and locations have improved quite a lot.

Do you have any examples of that? I haven't seen a real improvement to be honest. And as far as HD goes, I have never seen real full HD from a WRC car.

[igi]

Onboard with proper camera position and decent light control is the most valuable kind of video for me.
Second most valuable is camera mounted at one place showing in sequence how each driver passes it.

I agree with both points...


Well I don't want to damage a Volvo crank by giving myself brain-damage for no good reason....and putting myself out of misery (nåd skottet till nacken is maybe a little too much..) (oh dear ......
............
.....windscreen with black, we see even less.

I think you are quite lonely with your opinion :)

[Franky]

And how do you know that?
Since North One Sport took over and placed cameras in all the wrong places inside and outside of the car, the ratings has not exactly gone up...

Do you really think that the WRC broadcast ratings have got anything to do with the way onboard cameras are placed? Majority of people don't even give a s... as long as they see something. This is a rally forum and it's a place where more or less die hard rally fans have gathered over time and you can't make a TV programme based on hard core fan base wishes because they are the minority. Janvanvurpa has actually the right idea because people want to see what's happening (and the hard core fans want to see how it happened).

About ratings. Ratings have a rather simple story, they go up when there's something interesting and down when it's boring. People got bored of Michael Schumacher dominating the F1 and they've got bored of Seb Loeb just humiliating the competition. The ratings won't go up before there's a proper fight going on and channels with bigger audiences start to broadcast it.

And generally, rallying isn't a TV friendly sport. The only way to get more people interested is actually embracing the new media fully. More content and of course the need for the kind of feed they did in France last year. That's what might get WRC more audience but all that demands quite much money.

Going back to your question. I don't know it by 100% but I'm more than pretty sure that I'm not wrong. Majority of people don't even notice details.

[janvanvurpa]

I agree with both points...



I think you are quite lonely with your opinion :)

No, it has been discussed many times before.. This forum being mainly a "fan" forum, well we can probably assume , on average, a younger crowd somewhat distant to real participation, maybe a bad sample, or maybe those bored iwth in-car have already shot themselves, or bashed a crankshaft on their head

[stefanvv]

And how do you know that?
Since North One Sport took over and placed cameras in all the wrong places inside and outside of the car.

You can't satisfy everyone. One likes one view, other another. NOS had really showed lot of views, we could even watch the car's suspension dynamics sometimes. Of course watching the whole stage from this perspective will be stupid. Perhaps a survey should be made and different perspectives should be timed according to audience percentage preference.

[rallyfiend]

Do you have any examples of that? I haven't seen a real improvement to be honest. And as far as HD goes, I have never seen real full HD from a WRC car.

Both the Ford and Citroen YouTube clips seem to use the FIA's HD feed for a lot of their vision.

[Gard]

Some inboard are ok, but not too much. The most important is to have the splits and finish at good positions with good camera angels. With grapics and split times live. Some switching between inboard, heli and the split cams, when a car approaches the split or the finish.

[Lundgaard]

Well, if I am alone on this (that this - Ruben Zeltner WP4 Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULQDh_2vvnw&feature=plcp) - is great) then there is a long way to go :)
I really thought that all "the real fans" could see the differens in both picture quality and angle quality.
And to Rallyfiend: NOS calls it HD, but it has NOTHING to do with HD. That is one of the reasons why I hate them so much.

[andyone]

I have seen proper. By go pro. Have you seen ken blocks helmet cam? Awesome

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[RAS007]

I guess some are easily amused.
We have discussed this before, and there seems to be a generational split. I want to see what the driver makes the CAR do relative to the road.
too much In car is so boring I want to take a Volvo crankshaft and drop it on my toes to cause brain damage.

Is there any reason why we can't want good quality camera work inside and outside the car?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Speed TV broadcast Rally Finland in HD!!!

But everyone else got MotorsTV from
Finland and quality... Not so good!

[GigiGalliNo1]

The only reason why we can't see HD coverage of the WRC this year properly is because NO is showing in HD, a random one off I watched on Speed TV.

MotorsTV is horrible, in SD. When NorthOne were showing, it was in HD!

Even today current series the WRC is IS in High Definition!!!! But no one shows it on TV!!

[janvanvurpa]

Is there any reason why we can't want good quality camera work inside and outside the car?

Of course not, is there anybody anywhere that has suggested you cannot want good quality camera work anywhere?
The dirty bastid. I say we go find the bastid and beat him up.

[Langdale Forest]

They should bring back WRC to ITV4.

[Sulland]

Anyone that has seen the plan the new WRC promotors presented FIA to win the contract?

[dimviii]

nice article about the Alsace live coverage
Un Rallye automobile en intégralité et en direct : Une première mondiale Canal + / AMP Visual TV | Media un autre regard (http://www.mediaunautreregard.com/2012/10/05/un-rallye-automobile-en-integralite-et-en-direct-une-premiere-mondiale-canal-amp-visual-tv/)

[OldF]

The director in the van must be very busy and up to date to choose which of the seven channels he forward.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I can guarentee you that the WRC is broadcast and recorded in HD. Depending who picks it up to show on TV, it is filmed in HD.

[Langdale Forest]

I don't care if is in HD, all I want is it to be back on ITV4 and NOT DAVE or E.S.P.N

[rallyfiend]

I don't care if is in HD, all I want is it to be back on ITV4 and NOT DAVE or E.S.P.N

What would be the difference between it being on ITV4 or Dave?

[Langdale Forest]

You cannot get Dave on Freesat and the Dave coverage was rubbish anyway.

[GigiGalliNo1]

So you want it on Free TV. Got it.

How about internet coverage? As LIVE this weekend in France? You need Sport+ from France... but we've found a way to watch it online Free =)

[darkstar]

wrc´s youtube channel has come back to live today. they´ve uploaded the same stuff thats online on wrc.com but still better then nothing. maybe we can hope to request onboards in the future again:

The Official WRC Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/wrc?feature=watch)

[MrJan]

You cannot get Dave on Freesat and the Dave coverage was rubbish anyway.

ITV4 coverage before Dave took over was even worse though. The X-Fighters coverage is quite good, a bit shouty and lacking in substance but I think a lot of that is down to the ethos of the sport itself.

[rallyfiend]

Sounds like Monday is the day...

Long-term WRC promotion to be discussed in Paris FIA meeting - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103699)

The long-term promotion of the World Rally Championship will be discussed at a meeting between the FIA and rally organisers in Paris next week.

A document seen by AUTOSPORT includes the agenda for the meeting, at which crucial investment plans for the future of the series are expected to be revealed.

Red Bull Media House and Sportsman Media were revealed as the WRC's new promoters in September and have attended the last three rounds of the series.

Both have remained silent on their plans for the future of the sport during that time, leading to increasing levels of disquiet among the stakeholders in the championship.

However, Monday's meeting comes at the end of a positive week amid talk of rapid and prolonged investment from the promoters. It is expected to set the tone for announcements from the promoter next month.

"They've [the new promoter] had time to have a look around and get among us," a senior source told AUTOSPORT.

"But now it's time for them to give us some news. And I'm sure that's what Monday is going to be all about.

"We've all done our homework on the companies involved and we all know they're not in the WRC to turn a profit in year one - maybe not event the couple of years following - they're in the WRC to invest in it for the long term."

The 2012 WRC season has been among the most difficult in its history. This follows its former promoter North One Sport going into liquidation last December and has included events such as the Acropolis and Rally Australia stuggling to remain financially successful.

AUTOSPORT's source added: "The final few years of the ailing North One Sport era saw a trend of further and further reducing investment and increased cost-saving, putting more and more pressure on the organisers and teams to carry the financial burden.

"We are now getting a glimpse of the light at the end of the tunnel."

"This is a 10-year deal we're talking about and that's going to come with significant investment.

"For the event organisers and the other stakeholders, this is what they have been waiting for - investment in the championship; a promoter coming along to take some of the strain financially.

"Undoubtedly, Monday is a great chance for a line to be drawn in the sand - it's a meeting of the highest importance.

"Admittedly, the meeting won't have a huge regulatory impact, but the chance to boost confidence and set the tone for some of the more, should we say, cash-strapped, organisers is vital."

New proposed sporting regulations, guidelines for event organisers, the new FIA Rally Organisation - specifically relating to Jarmo Mahonen's role as rally director - and the timing and tracking deal are also set to be discussed.

[bf1_IRL]

So... Any News??

[bf1_IRL]

A week has passed since the meeting and nobody has heard anything? :confused: Hope the news (if there is any to report) will be good (especially if it is being kept quiet..)

[stefanvv]

I heard someone somewhere saying Lack of news is good news... But I think it was in war times.
The only think I've read recently about this is Eurosport claiming Red Bull Media House's offer to WRC promotion was better than theirs. The only question is - better how?

[AndyRAC]

Just look at the coverage of the RedBull Stratos with Felix Baumgartner....they know how to promote an event. Have a look at their website, or RedBullTV, RedBulletin magazine, etc RedBull are in a different league to Eurosport.

[MrJan]

Yeah Red Bull is so much more than a brand now. The promotion of X-Fighters, Air Race and their Formula 1 team is amazing. I think that, as motorsport fans, we all have to be very grateful for what Red Bull have done for the sport. There doesn't seem to be a facet of the sport that isn't touched by their sponsorship. F1, MotoGP, Rallying, Pikes Peak, motocross...hell you could even claim that Relentless and Monster are part of the Red Bull legacy.

If anyone can turn around the popularity of rallying then it'll be Red Bull, I just hope that they can do it by promotion of the sport as it is, rather than a complete restructuring.

[Motorsportfun]

Just look at the coverage of the RedBull Stratos with Felix Baumgartner....they know how to promote an event. Have a look at their website, or RedBullTV, RedBulletin magazine, etc RedBull are in a different league to Eurosport.

Agree! Eurosport is just a beginner compared to RedBull marketing boys...

[Francis44]

Be fair.... Red Bull has an huge economic power compared to Eurosport, you can't really compare them both, not fair.

[rallyfiend]

Be fair.... Red Bull has an huge economic power compared to Eurosport, you can't really compare them both, not fair.

It's a fair comparison in this context.

One is a marketing company.

One is a TV broadcaster that pretends to market.

[MrJan]

Be fair.... Red Bull has an huge economic power compared to Eurosport, you can't really compare them both, not fair.

But why does it have such power? Red Bull isn't a particularly nice drink and there are alternatives...it's powerful because they are so good at promotion.

[tommeke_B]

But why does it have such power? Red Bull isn't a particularly nice drink and there are alternatives...it's powerful because they are so good at promotion.
Marketing is everything. Heineken (Dutch beer) is perhaps the worst beer you can find, but with good marketing you sell everything, it's one of the most sold beers in the world. :)

[AndyRAC]

But why does it have such power? Red Bull isn't a particularly nice drink and there are alternatives...it's powerful because they are so good at promotion.


Exactly! Look at some of the events they're behind; RedBull Air Race, RedBull Crashed Ice, X Fighters. None of which you'd call 'mainstream' but they have become 'Events'. How many of the WRC rounds would you class as an 'Event'?

[SubaruNorway]

I really hope they will revamp it completely, they do make a lot of good things like this

Red Bull Signature Series - Loretta Lynn's 2012 FULL TV EPISODE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agn4Flkbp9M&feature=g-high-u)

Always thought the WRC had the coolest sports intro before :)

[olschl]

I really hope they will revamp it completely, they do make a lot of good things like this

Red Bull Signature Series - Loretta Lynn's 2012 FULL TV EPISODE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agn4Flkbp9M&feature=g-high-u)

Always thought the WRC had the coolest sports intro before :)

Exactly the kind of thing the sports needs to capture the next generation of WRC fans although I doubt something like this would get too much support from the "old guard" here on the forum. There is kind of a paradox around here in that most agree something drastic needs to change in the WRC regarding capturing footage but most here seems to revel in the "good old days" without much regards as to what it will take to make the WRC appealing to Generation Z. To me Red Bull is a good fit as they are the kings at promoting extreme sports which are typically individual-based, not team oriented, and will hopefully be able to capture the extreme nature of an individual WRC car on a stage by itself. This I feel is the biggest struggle in gaining an audience here in the U.S. as even my gearhead friends who appreciate the technical aspects of the WRC, are turned off by the single vehicle in a stage at a time aspect of the sport. With most people having larger format TVs, I feel one option would be to provide multiple views on the screen at once. I prefer seeing the stage from the "fender cam" but also appreciate seeing the footwork as the brake/clutch/throttle are manipulated in relation to the corner. Combine these shots with external views of the car sliding through the corners and you'd have something that anyone who has any appreciation whatsoever for automotive competition couldn't help but enjoy! Bottom line is that the footage surely can't get any worse than it was the past few years and I am looking forward to what is being planned!

[rallyfiend]

Apparently a tender to provide the television production for WRC in 2013 went out some time last week.

Companies like 2012 supplier EBU expected to put in a pitch.

[tfp]

Marketing is everything. Heineken (Dutch beer) is perhaps the worst beer you can find, but with good marketing you sell everything, it's one of the most sold beers in the world. :)

Disagree! I like Heineken ;)

[tfp]

Exactly! Look at some of the events they're behind; RedBull Air Race, RedBull Crashed Ice, X Fighters. None of which you'd call 'mainstream' but they have become 'Events'. How many of the WRC rounds would you class as an 'Event'?

I was always hoping for a eurosport promoter, but fter you point that out, I am not particurlarly interested in stunt bikes or diving but RB make a really good show and its always entertaining, so imagine what they can do with WRC...

[wrc1600]

The big question is whether they will broadcast on freeview or not and what about coverage. Europsort offers best coverage with no extra cost.

[rallyfiend]

The big question is whether they will broadcast on freeview or not and what about coverage. Europsort offers best coverage with no extra cost.

Only in a few countries is Eurosport free.

Here in UK it's pay tv.

Being on Eurosport also stops the ability to do deals with individual country broadcasters.

[EightGear]

Eurosport themselves admitted the Red Bull offer was simply better. The strong point of Eurosport is their wide audience, and apprently they think Red Bull's offer will be better than that.

[wrc1600]

Only in a few countries is Eurosport free.

Here in UK it's pay tv.

Being on Eurosport also stops the ability to do deals with individual country broadcasters.

You can get it on satellite for free and that is the point, natioal broadcasters weren't interested in WRC and I don't think Redbull presence will change that. To get audience it needs to be free and in as many countries as possible.

[OldF]

Eurosport would have suited me well because the housing association (google translated) where I live has Eurosport. This year I subscribed for the MTV3 web stream for 25 € so that’s not so bad. Only thing is that quality is not so good when connecting the laptop to a TV.

[autoxgymkhana]

Malaysia could hardly see Rally nowadays... missing those days seeing the cars running in the muddy course :(

[tfp]

Diddnt really know where to post this, but I thought a lot of people would like to see this -

Time for Tea? 1980s Rallycross - PistonHeads (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26702)

Enjoy :D

[OldF]

I read in the yesterday newspaper (Helsingin Sanomat) about the young golf player (23) Rory McIlroy. He’s made a sponsorship with Nike from the beginning of next year, which estimated value is 192 million euros over a ten year period, 19,2 millions per year. I think that any team or driver would be more than happy with such kind of sponsorship.

In the article was also written that thanks to Tiger Woods the amount of money in pro golf has increased and attracted new spectators outside golf. By the world wide TV- visibility golf also attracted new sponsors outside golf.

Imo in golf there’s not so huge crowds following it onsite (at least compared to F1). The spectators follow their favourite player or the top players. Also the final outcome is decided (hopefully) at the last hole. So, the spectators have to follow the competition to last hole as in rallying to the last stage.

I can see some similarities in golf and rallying, both are very dependent on TV-visibility. What rallying needs is character like Tiger Woods to attract more spectators and sponsors or in other way make rallying more attractive to Average Joe and thereby also for sponsors. What that would be I don’t know. What MTV3 is doing here in Finland is that they put ads for NORF on their free to air channel during prime time although the WRC TV broadcasts are on their pay channel.

I hope that The Sportsman Media Group and Red Bull Media House can solve this problem.

[RS]

Being on Eurosport also stops the ability to do deals with individual country broadcasters.

Not true. Live stages from Barum Rally 2012 were also on Czech national tv.

[tommeke_B]

IRC has been on several channels in Belgium too, during the years... ;)

[Mirek]

Being on Eurosport also stops the ability to do deals with individual country broadcasters.

Care to elaborate? Our Barum rally has been part of IRC since 2007. From all those years there were reports on Czech TV using materials of Czech company mediasport. Mediasport also provides onboard videos free of charge on the internet from all Czech (and some other) events including Barum rally. The only difference was they were allowed to bring Barum ones online some ten days after the rally or so. As Ron pointed in 2012 Czech TV also broadcasted live stages of Eurosport. During all the years Mediasport-prepared rally magazines broadcasted on Czech TV used materials made by Eurosport as well (from all IRC events except Barum where - as I said - they had their own).

[bf1_IRL]

Any word/rumours about broadcasters being signed up to carry coverage? or any news at all from RBMH/Sportsman group or the new timing people about what they are planning to do? or even when they plan to announce what they are doing? I imagine they are probably are working quite hard towards doing a very good job, but it would be nice to hear how things are progressing :) Plus I have a terrestrial broadcaster to lobby here ;)

[gravelman]

Any word/rumours about broadcasters being signed up to carry coverage? or any news at all from RBMH/Sportsman group or the new timing people about what they are planning to do? or even when they plan to announce what they are doing? I imagine they are probably are working quite hard towards doing a very good job, but it would be nice to hear how things are progressing :) Plus I have a terrestrial broadcaster to lobby here ;)


Rte/tg4????

[vkangas]

Any word/rumours about broadcasters being signed up to carry coverage? or any news at all from RBMH/Sportsman group or the new timing people about what they are planning to do? or even when they plan to announce what they are doing? I imagine they are probably are working quite hard towards doing a very good job, but it would be nice to hear how things are progressing :) Plus I have a terrestrial broadcaster to lobby here ;)
I prefer "big bang" theory :) . I'm sure that when a new season starts we will see RBMH doing their magic.They have a contract of minimum six years so no need to rush things. RBMH/SMG were selected begause of their innovative digital media concept so expecting fresh ideas there. Ok, realistically they might not be able to get "everything" ready for Monte but in 1-2 years after collecting some experience and developing new products we should have the WRC media coverage in a totally different level.

[bluuford]

more work.. less talk..
Old Estonian version in some kind of dialect: enem tögöss.. vähäm mögöss

[bf1_IRL]

@gravelman Yep, it is worth a try :) I talked to Michael O'Carroll back in 2001 and eventually we got WRC on RTÉ2 albeit late at night but it was something!

@bluuford Yes I agree, but I would like some info so to then be able to approach the local broadcasters here with any relevant info they may need :)

[had_zachau]

I think, that Red Bull main platform will be Red Bull TV. It's available for Smart TVs, Android, Iphone and of course for free on the internet.

[had_zachau]

A few worlds (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallylife.cz%2Fwrc-mateschitz-o-vstupu-redbullu-do-ms&act=url) about Red Bull and WRC

[gravelman]

@gravelman Yep, it is worth a try :) I talked to Michael O'Carroll back in 2001 and eventually we got WRC on RTÉ2 albeit late at night but it was something!

@bluuford Yes I agree, but I would like some info so to then be able to approach the local broadcasters here with any relevant info they may need :)

I still have most of the broadcasts on tape, the joys of school in the morning. Michael gone now sadly, if it's not a ball sport, they aren't interested, as I'm sure you've discussed with me and others on another forum.

[bf1_IRL]

This isn't encouraging:
Sources in the FIA have confirmed the agreement between the sport’s governing body and Red Bull Media House and Sportsman Media has still not been signed.

From: autosport.com news: F1 | MotoGP | WRC | IndyCar | GP2 | Le Mans | NASCAR | F3 | DTM (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104770http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104770)

Wonder what the hold up is :confused:

[Josti]

This isn't encouraging:

From: autosport.com news: F1 | MotoGP | WRC | IndyCar | GP2 | Le Mans | NASCAR | F3 | DTM (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104770http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104770)

Wonder what the hold up is :confused:

From what I can make up, Mateschitz is someone who also sees WRC as F1 on gravel. Not really in line with the direction Todt is heading.

[Franky]

From what I can make up, Mateschitz is someone who also sees WRC as F1 on gravel. Not really in line with the direction Todt is heading.
Yep, got the same feeling when reading the article. But F1 on gravel is rallycross. WRC is a bit different as we all know.

[RAS007]

This isn't encouraging

I didn't find any aspect of the article encouraging at all. I was especially dismayed to read his comments about rallying not needing to be any more dangerous than it is now, regarding Todt's desire to get back to longer, endurance type events, which IMO, is the soul of the sport. If we make the sport any less dangerous than it is now, it will be go-karting for kiddies.

[Barreis]

Don't care what kind of coverage will be, just to see live WRC TV.

[tfp]

Don't care what kind of coverage will be, just to see live WRC TV.

Even if it was just the SSS at the end of the legs, for half an hour on live motors tv on rally days, that would do for me!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I didn't find any aspect of the article encouraging at all. I was especially dismayed to read his comments about rallying not needing to be any more dangerous than it is now, regarding Todt's desire to get back to longer, endurance type events, which IMO, is the soul of the sport. If we make the sport any less dangerous than it is now, it will be go-karting for kiddies.
I'd like to believe that Mateschitz's comments really mean "keep what we've got now, because we know it works". And as the incoming promoter, that makes sense - not just because it will be cheaper for them, but because they will gain experience promoting the events, thereby making it easier in the future if the FIA does encourage longer routes. That said, the promoter will have only a minimal ability to influence the rules. If Todt really wants endurance events, I'm sure he'll get them because he has the power to introduce them.

I just hope Mateschitz isn't thinking of dumbing the category down to an "extreme" sport.

[Plan9]

Even if it was just the SSS at the end of the legs, for half an hour on live motors tv on rally days, that would do for me!

I think anything but motors tv would be a plus. They just **** on and you can't here the cars at all and get no proper visual insights into individual stages. Hell, it looks like there wont even be a DVD of highlights for this season. If Red Bull can mimic what Eurosport did with IRc I will be pleased. Their coverage was very detailed.

[Barreis]

Eurosport would be great.

[AndyRAC]

Eurosport?? Er, wait a minute – they are the ERC Promoters – and lost out as WRC promoters; they’re hardly likely to put the WRC on, or am I missing something?


Anyway, if you have a PC, Tablet, Smartphone – it’s highly likely the coverage will be on RedBullTV...and can be accessed on there.

[MrJan]

I'd like to believe that Mateschitz's comments really mean "keep what we've got now, because we know it works". .

Umm, you do know that it doesn't work? That's why crowds are staying away from live rallies, TV viewing figures are in the gutter and we've only got two works teams next season. WRC is crap and whoever takes over needs to change something.

[tfp]

I think anything but motors tv would be a plus. They just **** on and you can't here the cars at all and get no proper visual insights into individual stages. Hell, it looks like there wont even be a DVD of highlights for this season. If Red Bull can mimic what Eurosport did with IRc I will be pleased. Their coverage was very detailed.

OK, their coverage is rubbish, but would you complain if they showed live SSS on friday night, saturday night and sunday afternoon? I know I wouldnt :)

Edit - If you live down under, then you'd be watching SSS on saturday morning, sunday morning and sunday evening ;)

[Sulland]

One of the most exiting in 2013 for the armchair brigade will be to follow the development of web and TV services for the two main rally series and the two media houses!

Lets see who has the biggest progress and transformation over the season!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Umm, you do know that it doesn't work? That's why crowds are staying away from live rallies, TV viewing figures are in the gutter and we've only got two works teams next season.
And all of those are problems that can be fixed by introducing a new promoter. Mateschitz's comments refer more to the format of the rallies than their operations. He obviously don't want to go changing things on a fundamental level at the same time as bringing in a new promoter. He needs to turn around the viewing figures first before the category starts introducing radical changes, because if he tries to do both, it will be difficult to pinpoint exactly what works and what doesn't.

[MrJan]

And all of those are problems that can be fixed by introducing a new promoter. Mateschitz's comments refer more to the format of the rallies than their operations. He obviously don't want to go changing things on a fundamental level at the same time as bringing in a new promoter. He needs to turn around the viewing figures first before the category starts introducing radical changes, because if he tries to do both, it will be difficult to pinpoint exactly what works and what doesn't.

I believe that the viewing figures are down because the sport doesn't grab people like it used to. And who said anything about radical changes? Making it so that rallies are 30+ stages long and have a proper number of tests on a Sunday is hardly ground breaking.

[Franky]

Been looking at TV promo spots and stumbled onto this - https://vimeo.com/13612779. I hope that no one makes that kind of promo any more for WRC because it is no wonder that the ratings started to go down.

[Kaps]

Ok, I haven't been here for absolutely ages, so could someone please explain it to me, what would be the TV coverage of 2013 WRC in Europe?

I just hope it won't be Motors TV exclusively.

[gtimad73]

This is not meant as a dig at you. But why do people slate motorstv so much. At least they had the WRC on all year. I agree that there picture quality is not the best but at least they had it on all year. They only show what the people at WRc provide...

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Been looking at TV promo spots and stumbled onto this - https://vimeo.com/13612779. I hope that no one makes that kind of promo any more for WRC because it is no wonder that the ratings started to go down.
It could be worse - this is the crap that we get every year for the Bathurst 1000:

V8 Supercars 2011 - The Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 - Intro Video "This Mountain" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3nblwbfd7M)

Dramatic voice-overs, unnecessary lens-flares and slow-motion shots of water falling off the drivers, a Hollywood score, and it all adds up to a pretentious, self-indulgent mess that has very little to do with the actual race and is really just an excuse for the network broadcasting it to spend as much money as they possibly can to turn motorsport into a show.

[SubaruNorway]

This is not meant as a dig at you. But why do people slate motorstv so much. At least they had the WRC on all year. I agree that there picture quality is not the best but at least they had it on all year. They only show what the people at WRc provide...

No they don't, we had HD quality on Viasat

[Franky]

This is not meant as a dig at you. But why do people slate motorstv so much. At least they had the WRC on all year. I agree that there picture quality is not the best but at least they had it on all year. They only show what the people at WRc provide...

You'd be amazed what kind of ****ty quality programmes the networks send to the transmission centers. The quality is quite often similar to the lower Youtube resolutions, e.g. 260p.

As SubaruNorway hinted, the production company sends a high quality file to the networks. So it's most likely MotorsTV who does some chemistry with the footage.

Prisoner Monkeys, that intro isn't bad at all. It's just that the voice over isn't supporting the visuals and the repetition of 'the mountain' gets annoying after like the second time.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I'm in Australia. SPEED TV showed the WRC in HD.

I've also sourced Viasat in HD.

I've sourced MotorsTV and it was in SD. Each of the networks around the world get supplied the HD coverage of the sport. It's up to who ever broadcasts it to show in HD. Perhaps MotorsTV don't have a High Definition feed on the satellite provider hence the poor quality. You have SD channels still on Sat and Cable TV around the world...

If you source a copy of the WRC directs from UBS from this year, it has ALL been filmed in HD!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Here is an insight of the WRC coverage from 2012!!!

http://www.live-production.tv/case-studies/production-facilities/epc-speeds-ahead-world-rally-championship-quantel.html

[AndyRAC]

I don't think MotorsTV show anything in HD. In fact, a lot of their output is barely SD....
Occasionally, both MotorsTV & Eurosport had the WEC on at the same time, Eurosport had it on HD and Eurosport2 - and the quality on Eurosport2 was far better than MotorsTV, even they were both SD.

[Kaps]

So, Motors TV it is then?

Yes, the picture quality isn't the best there is, but I didn't really mind that.

What annoyed me is the quality of the programme itself, consisting of 90% of on-boards, which I find dull.

But, my local cable provider took care of it for me, by putting Motors TV in another package, which i have no intention of buying. Hence my question in the 1st place, will it be available anywhere else.

[bf1_IRL]

MotorsTV (if I remember correctly) does not have as much satellite bandwidth as other channels hence the somewhat lower picture quality.

[GigiGalliNo1]

And at the begining of 2011, MotorsTV had an agreement with the promotor who ever it was at the time (UBS/NorthOne) that they could ONLY show 5 minutes of OUTSIDE coverage of the car, the rest was inside. Then when NorthOne finally went down the drain, they could show as much as they want picking up two commentators. But the QUALITY of the broadcast was still low....

[Barreis]

Commentators were really bad, too much speech...

[Fly_Half]

Commentators were really bad, too much speech...

You can't please all of the people, all of the time. I'd rather too much commentary than the long periods of silence the earlier programmes on MotorsTV suffered from.

[Barreis]

Really enjoyed 10 minutes onboards from previous seasons.

[kirungi okwogera]

Here is an insight of the WRC coverage from 2012!!!

EPC Speeds Ahead: World Rally Championship with Quantel | LIVE-PRODUCTION.TV (http://www.live-production.tv/case-studies/production-facilities/epc-speeds-ahead-world-rally-championship-quantel.html)

Ooh! I wonder if they'll keep using Quantel... I have 4 years experience editing with Quantel, 1 year editing national rally championship coverage... love the WRC... call me you guys!

[Motorsportfun]

Here is an insight of the WRC coverage from 2012!!!

EPC Speeds Ahead: World Rally Championship with Quantel | LIVE-PRODUCTION.TV (http://www.live-production.tv/case-studies/production-facilities/epc-speeds-ahead-world-rally-championship-quantel.html)

Source: Facebook. :D

[bf1_IRL]

This seems to be RedBull's first bit of media for the buildup to the 2013 season.. VIDEO: Mads Ostberg (http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331580165032/video-mads-ostberg-s-first-m-sport-test)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I was pleasantly surprised by it. I liked the way they just let Ostberg talk without the structure of an interview; I feel it let him give some insight that would not have been covered otherwise.

[Franky]

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I was pleasantly surprised by it. I liked the way they just let Ostberg talk without the structure of an interview; I feel it let him give some insight that would not have been covered otherwise.

Prisoner Monkeys, the structure of an interview is there actually. Just the questions have been cut out.

Some very weird camera angles from the interview. The core fans should be quite happy if that kind of clips keep coming throughout the season.

[Allyc85]

2 weeks till the new season and in the Uk at least we still dont know what channel we will be watching the WRC on. What a complete joke...

[bf1_IRL]

This Search - ITV TV Guide (http://www.itv.com/tvguide/search/?tvgBegin=177&tvgPageNumber=1&tvgSearchPhrase=WRC) seems to suggest WRC on ESPN but no guarantee that these programs are new or are past broadcasts.. There are no mentions of WRC on MotorsTV or ESPN's own listings..

[AndyRAC]

2 weeks till the new season and in the Uk at least we still dont know what channel we will be watching the WRC on. What a complete joke...

I imagine it's a hard sell for the UK - Monte has no British drivers entered, just 1 co-driver. Add in the fact there will be no Brit in a top seat for the rest of the year, can we expect anything different from what we've had recently?

You'll know as well as any other UK fan, the sport desperately needs some mainstream coverage - it's in a media vacuum here.

[rallyfiend]

I note there's been a few changes to WRC.com in recent days.

Seems to be a new video player, and a new sponsor in Certina - obviously replacing Edox.

Any reason to think this isn't the current list of broadcasters?

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-tv-guide/)

[MAXLD]

It's probably still accurate for a few countries...


At least this one certainly is:


Portugal - Sport TV


Those *******s get everything (F1, WRC, MotoGP)... even if the open channels had any major interest, they don't have money to compete. The problem with this? SportTV is cable... locked/paid... premium TV... w/ crappy commentators... 26€/month... want HD? That will be 29€/month.
Burn in hell.

A single Le Mans weekend, Live and HD, on Eurosport worths ten times that, and we get it for "free", with top commentators and excellent guests.


Back in late 90's I remember video tapping WRC recaps on open TV on Sunday mornings, those were the days... and when Rally Portugal was on, Live coverage/proper footage, WRC was treated like the World Cup.
On Youtube: ...v=hMQf6-Yi4w8

[Francis44]

That list is quite old, Sporttv showed the highlights when the production was still under North One Sport, after that they stopped showing WRC and I dont think they will show it anytime soon. I think Motors will show it again this year.

[JAM]

I note there's been a few changes to WRC.com in recent days.

Seems to be a new video player, and a new sponsor in Certina - obviously replacing Edox.

Any reason to think this isn't the current list of broadcasters?

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-tv-guide/)

That's the part of the problem: look at the official site as a central thing.

The site is a tool, but the main promotion must be the TV channels, because is the TV that put the WRC in front of big generalistic audiences. And about TV we have nothing. Let's hope that Red Bull don'ty create (one more) mess on the WRC,

[MAXLD]

That's the part of the problem: look at the official site as a central thing.

The site is a tool, but the main promotion must be the TV channels, because is the TV that put the WRC in front of big generalistic audiences. And about TV we have nothing. Let's hope that Red Bull don'ty create (one more) mess on the WRC,

Agreed, although these things like the website will also be essential nowadays to get younger audience involved and giving back more reputation to the sport. I mean, even considering the 30min TV recaps at the end of each day, people would like to follow the events more closely and having a solid/well designed website with several key features it's very important.

This is specially true considering the current low state of WRC's popularity... a big effort has to be made to elevate it, not only on TV, but several other types of services... WSBK a few years ago had free and live streaming, the same with GT1/GT3 championships... it would help.
I hope services like live timings direct to our mobile phones (or Android Apps), can return and provide a bridge to those who are unable to follow the rally at home.
Sure, those things require money and manpower, but if those platforms are provided with quality, people will get along with it and will keep close to the events... not interruptedly, by the 2 or 3 TV recaps at the end of the day (maybe not even that, if the recap is shown at late hours)...
Of course, let's not forget Rally Radio to those who want to follow every detail of the events.

Plus, why not providing some photos directly from the stages (you can upload images from everywhere nowadays)... and later some videos taking advantage of some of the current media resources like Youtube...

Why not getting the fans involved by encouraging them to share their best photos/videos taken during their event, and publishing them on their official site/facebook? I know, people shouldn't be holding their phones and cameras but cheering and enjoying the rally, but there's always people taking photos/recording thanks to nowadays common smartphone high capabilities.

Maybe even creating some merchandise giveaway contests? Powered by the teams/sponsors or WRC partners themselves? I doubt some of them wouldn't gladly provide some stuff to get a bit of public attention... specially the new/smaller ones like DMack that would actually gain a lot from spreading the brand out there to the regular guy...

All I see is potential to raise WRC from the ground... and with Loeb out of the picture the championship will certainly be more unpredictable and exciting... would be a great mistake not to take advantage of that. All this combined with the return of proper TV coverage, would seriously give WRC a great and necessary boost... one that would give constructors and sponsors a moment to think about the marketing opportunities.

[GigiGalliNo1]

On one note, having fans submit photos of their own straight away and from stages creates the issue of photographed such as my self not to have work or get clients in the WRC.

Also, photographers can submit photos straight away. ie agencies who supply to the WRC, to Citroen Racing, M-Sport, MINI and other privateer teams in each category but it takes time to edit process and upload the photos. It's a stressful time and you'd be surprised how many photos are taken and how many people do the work as the market has gone down, it kind of sucks.

[tommy2k8]

I cannot believe it! WRC - to me, and other motorsport fans - a major championship - is nowhere to be found in the TV schedules! Pathetic! And, slightly off-topic, but what happened to ESPN's other motorsport - the only other one found on their motorsport page is DTM!

[Livewireshock]

Basically on the subject of adding pictures direct from the stages, it would be best if the Twitter and Instagram et al pictures from stage end reporters, such as Julian Porter and Colin Clark, could be collated into one place on the WRC.com site. It should not be a place for instantly uploaded photos from the general public, as GigiGalliNo1 puts it, you do not want to dilute the market for the band of professional photographers who already struggle with increasing competition despite a decreasing market.

However a mean for photographers to share their pictures on the site, maybe a week afterwards, could generate interest between events. Maybe even hosting competitions for professionals and amateurs alike? That would allow the professionals time to present their picture to the time critical media outlets and allow an outlet for fans to share their views and passions with other passionate fans.

[MAXLD]

On one note, having fans submit photos of their own straight away and from stages creates the issue of photographed such as my self not to have work or get clients in the WRC.

Also, photographers can submit photos straight away. ie agencies who supply to the WRC, to Citroen Racing, M-Sport, MINI and other privateer teams in each category but it takes time to edit process and upload the photos. It's a stressful time and you'd be surprised how many photos are taken and how many people do the work as the market has gone down, it kind of sucks.

I don't think it would overlap that work. Fan images and videos taken on smartphones or modest cameras don't have much quality in the first place... it would be more of a complement to show key moments from a different angle, some shots of the spectators enjoying the rally, etc...

I mean, (semi-)professionals will always choose the best places to take the photos and make them the best they can later with software editing... those will continue to be the ones used for official entities. Fan photos/videos can actually capture moments where photographers aren't usually placed... we see that all the time along the years, fan videos/photos of crashes and extreme situations being included on official media recaps/highlights.

A typical situation would be this: in the middle of the stage (with no photographers near), some driver clips a stone or something and a fan captures the moment. With current smartphones you can share images/videos immediately, and the fan would upload that to WRC's facebook/youtube/website or whatever... being even an useful font of information to organizers/WRC media/fans... even the teams could find it useful to evaluate the level of damage taken by the car (on general, of course, quality wouldn't be that great).
I'm not saying they should re-publish everything the fans sent their way in their official general page (facebook speaking, for example), but some of it would be useful not only as an information point of view, but to establish a connection between the sport and the fans.

Another example: in Fafe Rally Sprint 2012 event, Michelle Mouton and the organizers went along the stage to contemplate all the public and wave at them. I've seen maybe 1 image of that moment in the media... but on Youtube there's a fan video showing that moment and the enthusiastic reaction of thousands of fans. It's not a very big deal per say, but it's an interesting situation otherwise we probably wouldn't see.

[Allyc85]

Well I asked VW about UK coverage through their WRC Facebook page and they have just got back to me saying that "opinion varies" on who will be showing it!! So that obviously means that nobody has a bloody clue!! Really pissed off about this whole situation, its a complete joke and bad (if it could get worse) for the WRC...

[SDG]

Well I asked VW about UK coverage through their WRC Facebook page and they have just got back to me saying that "opinion varies" on who will be showing it!! So that obviously means that nobody has a bloody clue!! Really pissed off about this whole situation, its a complete joke and bad (if it could get worse) for the WRC...

This could bring the entire future of the sport in jeopardy, as it is very doubtful whether constructors as Citroen or VW, let alone their sponsors, will keep going on for long investing money in a series that has almost no media coverage.

[rallyfiend]

This could bring the entire future of the sport in jeopardy, as it is very doubtful whether constructors as Citroen or VW, let alone their sponsors, will keep going on for long investing money in a series that has almost no media coverage.

The UK is just one country - admittedly a fairly important one - and one that has struggled for coverage for many, many years so I wouldn't use that as any guide.

It doesn't help that there's no British drivers and a crap event.

[Allyc85]

T I think Motors will show it again this year.

Just had a look and there is no sign of WRC coverage on Motors TV in the listings on their site.

Long live the ERC. HD TV coverage and an up to date website with highlights and all the info you need...

[Allyc85]

As I have far too much time on my hands ive searched through all the major channels that have shown WRC in the past or have been linked with showing it and there is nothing at all. Nor is there any mention of it on the Red Bull media house and Red Bull TV sites...

[BDunnell]

The UK is just one country - admittedly a fairly important one - and one that has struggled for coverage for many, many years so I wouldn't use that as any guide.

It doesn't help that there's no British drivers and a crap event.

Indeed. Best thing that could be done to boost the sport's profile in the UK would be a return to something approaching the old, longer route, but I digress.

[BDunnell]

This is specially true considering the current low state of WRC's popularity... a big effort has to be made to elevate it, not only on TV, but several other types of services... WSBK a few years ago had free and live streaming, the same with GT1/GT3 championships... it would help.

The trouble is that if the sport regains popularity, the obvious response is then to take advantage by starting to charge for access to the stream — and then you run the risk of turning your new-found viewers away, as people simply aren't willing to pay yet.

[EightGear]

At least the official WRC Twitter account is tweeting sensible things now. Short, informative tweets, instead of the usual abstract and weird titles with a link to the WRC.com site included of which you have absolutely no idea what the article is about until you click the link. Stuff like: 'Mikkelsen takes note' or 'And for my next trick...'

Now:

Pontus Tidemand, arguably Sweden's brightest prospect entered for home event in a Fiesta WRC car. Ex Academy and Stepson to Henning Solberg

and:

Jarkko Nikara will return to the World Rally Championship on next month's Rally Sweden driving a Prodrive Mini John Cooper Works WRC car

[Jajá]

Sorry if this has already been discussed here, but are there any news regarding TV/Internet coverage for RMC?
Can't wait for it to start...

[MrJan]

Without TV coverage on a Freeview channel the WRC will be dead to me...which is a real shame. I've recently moved to a new house where I've decided to try not having internet (can't justify the £20+/ month that it'll cost once I include line rental). That means that I only really use the internet at work during lunch and occasionally after work. Last year was awkward enough trying to find the time to watch rallies on Youtube when I got home, this year I just won't bother watching any modern stuff, far better to watch my Castrol Classics collection of Barrie Hinchcliffe produced stuff.

[Allyc85]

****ing hell, last night I emailed Red Bull Media House about the situation and ive just had a message back linking me to Dakar Highlights!! :eek:

Still, keep the faith. 2013 is the new start right?

[Franky]

There are idiots working at every company.

[MAXLD]

The trouble is that if the sport regains popularity, the obvious response is then to take advantage by starting to charge for access to the stream — and then you run the risk of turning your new-found viewers away, as people simply aren't willing to pay yet.

There's some cases like that, indeed. But free streaming is a common practice to help raise popularity and that's the major goal... it's something that can be run for a year/season with some sponsor support and then dropped off for the year after that if the sport is becoming more successful or if there's no sponsor to pay for it.
If they start to charge for it after a while, well, it's not impossible but I'm not sure if that would happen... the most possible thing can be the locking of a lot of the media and charge it on their website, like MotoGP... but I think it would require a lot more popularity than I think is reachable in next few years. Although unfortunately it makes more sense for them to charge WRC fans for that, since rally it's usually free to go and see, and circuit races tickets are charged... meaning that fans don't contribute so much for the sport revenues. I hope those business practices stay away from WRC, but we never know...
But then again, there are so many people taking photos and videos right there on the side of the roads, that charging for such things would be useless. Only charging for those live streams would make a bit of sense, if the quality, stages and action could worth it and many fans accepted to pay, which I doubt it...

[hari]

In German speaking countries it looks good for 2013 according to:
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/01/09/schoene-neue-fernsehwelt/index.html

Servus-TV: preview + daily highlights (30 min) + summary (60 min)

Sport-1: daily highlights (30 min) + summary on final day (60 min)

NTV: daily highlights + summary

RTL: news progammes and summary during F1 races

[EightGear]

In German speaking countries it looks good for 2013 according to:
Schöne neue Fernsehwelt*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/01/09/schoene-neue-fernsehwelt/index.html)

Servus-TV: preview + daily highlights (30 min) + summary (60 min)

Sport-1: daily highlights (30 min) + summary on final day (60 min)

NTV: daily highlights + summary

RTL: news progammes and summary during F1 races


That's very impressive! From the comments I read on that site though only the summary's are programmed on Servus and N-TV. :confused:

[Motorsportfun]

Also in Italy, RAI SPORT (Italian national public-service TV) has bought the tv-rights for 2013 season!

[Frostmourne]

According to iRally, Aljazeera also will be showing 2013 season in the middle east region, but not sure how they will cover it.

[makinen_fan]

From the launch of the Fiesta in Autosport International, Malcolm Wilson indeed confirms that the promoter deal is not signed yet.... Hopefully they sort it out soon, so they can get on with developing the promotion of the sport. FIA seems to be very slow when doing these deals. Probably this is a lesson they learned from the failure of NOS.

M-Sport WRC 2013 reveal - AUTOSPORT International - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZV6zIj7dyY&feature=youtu.be)
@ 11:25 of video

[AndyRAC]

I was going to say you couldn't make it up - but it's the WRC, so anything is possible. Unbelievable - it was announced in September.......1 week to the Monte....and still not signed??

[Allyc85]

This morning I recieved this, which is nothing ground breaking, apart from the fact that they claim they will try and listen to what we want!



Hello Alastair,

I managed to get some more information on this overnight from WRC Digital Media.
Please find the information below:

As new WRC promoter starting in 2013 Red Bull Media House together with the Sportsman Group
are, among other things, busy organizing the upcoming production and distribution of WRC content.
The worldwide tv and media coverage is still in negotiations and will be updated on wrc.com (http://wrc.com/) as soon
as possible.

Beside this we´re planning to design further innovative media products (e.g. live program) and restructure
the website, first changes are already visible. Also we´ll work over the social media platforms to bring more
up to date rally content to the WRC fans.

Please remain patient and keep on sending in constructive input - for this purpose we will provide an
extra e-mail address shortly. We´re looking forward to the WRC season 2013 and hope to keep you on board.


I hope this information helps for now.

Kind regards,
Kordula

[RS]

I'm pretty sure live coverage will happen at some point. Eurosport have been pioneers in this, but they admitted that the Red Bull offer for WRC promoter was "simply better".

The question is what channels will take it and where.

[MAXLD]

Good to know they are giving attention to the website and live program(we'll see what's that all about)... at least it shows they are on the move to shake things up.

[Motorsportfun]

It's encouraging seeing all the stakeholders are working in the same direction, both in sporting and commercial/marketing sides.
Look at Qatar M-Sport WRT website: when will be fully-working, it will have lots of informations, features and multimedia contents. Great job, like VW/Citroen did!

[bf1_IRL]

From twitter:

Colin McMaster ‏@colmcklein
Red Bull only took official duties a week ago, they are sorting everything out properly in time

[rallyfiend]

I'm pretty sure live coverage will happen at some point. Eurosport have been pioneers in this, but they admitted that the Red Bull offer for WRC promoter was "simply better".

The question is what channels will take it and where.

They were the pioneers, but only when someone else paid them to do it.

For all their faults, at least NOS was able to provide live coverage from every event in 2011 (Power Stage). That's what we need someone to bring back - consistency.

How are Eurosport doing at the ERC coverage so far? Not great....

[vkangas]

Just give them time. I know it's frustrating but it's more important to get the path right and not to rush to announce the first thing asap.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Check out iRally story online now!

Rally coverage Halved and distribution cut by a third across the world!

It's BS!

[rallyfiend]

Check out iRally story online now!

Rally coverage Halved and distribution cut by a third across the world!

It's BS!

That's what'll happen if you're trying to sell TV in March.....

[Frostmourne]

Check out iRally story online now!

Rally coverage Halved and distribution cut by a third across the world!

It's BS!

Man, that story was really hard to follow, lol. But from what I understood, those figures of 2012 season, right?

[GigiGalliNo1]

TV Markets all over the world are different... especially English speaking (UK, Australia, USA... well that's it) I'm not sure how Euro networks go (this is free to air) but sat and cable goes what ever specially with sports coverage. I don't know what seasonal Football/soccer/snooker/golf etc looks like in Europe so I can't comment.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone know what channel will be showing the WRC in the UK ?

I've checked my Sky EPG for next week and cant find coverage anywhere for the Monte ... :(

[AndyRAC]

At the moment, nobody is covering it. However, I'm sure things are being done to provide some coverage, even if it's online.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thats ridiculous if its not available with the multitude of sports and other channels in the UK (Sky, ES, Motors, ESPN etc) ...

Although TBH MotorsTV coverage last year was appalling.

At least it will be available somewhere online but thats a poor option considering its a major motorsport championship.

I wonder if Sky might pick it up and put it on their F1 channel - think I'll write and ask them.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Although TBH MotorsTV coverage last year was appalling.

At least it will be available somewhere online but thats a poor option considering its a major motorsport championship.
To be fair, that was a last-minute deal brokered because of the collapse of the original promoter following the arrest of Vladimir Antonov, the Russian banker who alternated between stripping Lithuanian bsuinesses of their assets and holding the commercial rights to the WRC.

[rallyfiend]

To be fair, that was a last-minute deal brokered because of the collapse of the original promoter following the arrest of Vladimir Antonov, the Russian banker who alternated between stripping Lithuanian bsuinesses of their assets and holding the commercial rights to the WRC.

Not true.

It had been on Motors for 2 years prior to that.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Yes, and when Antonov got himself arrested, the whole thing was thrown into disarray. The promoter collapsed, and it was the promoter's job to organise media coverage of the sport. With no promoter, a new deal was needed to sustain the sport until such time as a new promoter could be found.

[GigiGalliNo1]

MotorsTV the first year couldn't show more then 5-8mins of outside car footage in a show! Only inside camera angles!!

Confirmed that MotorsTV WILL NOT be showing WRC in the UK of Monte Carlo!

Sky Sports 1, 2, 3 & 4 won't be either. Nor ESPN or ITV.

Nothing for Australia or NZ. Baltic region nothing yet.

MTV3 in Finland yes (of Monte)

[makinen_fan]

From today earlier today. It looks like no one is sure what will happen with coverage.

rallytravel.com @rallytravel
@voiceofrally @WEASAL5488 Sportsman Media told us on Friday to expect a UK TV announcement early next week. Don't know if that helps!


Colin Clark @voiceofrally
@rallytravel @WEASAL5488 well it's almost certainly not @MotorsTV unfortunately. Could be someone like ESPN I guess.

[rallyfiend]

Yes, and when Antonov got himself arrested, the whole thing was thrown into disarray. The promoter collapsed, and it was the promoter's job to organise media coverage of the sport. With no promoter, a new deal was needed to sustain the sport until such time as a new promoter could be found.

And what does that have to do with the poor quality of the coverage?

[Franky]

Nothing for Australia or NZ. Baltic region nothing yet.


The Baltics have never had much of WRC coverage. When Märtin was still driving it was on a free to view channel in Estonia and I think last year the Viasat Sport started to show something of WRC, but not sure because I don't follow that channel.

[RS]

I've checked my Sky EPG for next week and cant find coverage anywhere for the Monte ... :(

In two years we have gone from almost the entire event televised live to nothing at all. Let's hope there is an announcement next week.

[Langdale Forest]

It is ludicrous that WRC isn't on normal TV in the UK, especially as this year could be the most exiting season for years.

[AndyRAC]

It is ludicrous that WRC isn't on normal TV in the UK, especially as this year could be the most exiting season for years.

But is it ludicrous? How many people will actually watch it? It's easier for the TV channels to put 'Pets cook their owners' on, and will get bigger viewers. However, I hope that maybe in the near future the sport will get mainstream coverage - and bringing in more sponsors and drivers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm not saying, or expecting, huge coverage or being on a major TV channel but surely someone should show it in the UK...

Even if its a minor channel that just wants to boost its profile like 'Dave' did a while back ?

[RAS007]

So, at this point in time, less than a week before the start of the 2013 season, nobody knows what the TV coverage is going to look like? IMO, that is really terrible stuff.

[Fly_Half]

It's an unmitigated shambles. No other way of putting it.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

And what does that have to do with the poor quality of the coverage?
Because the last-minute nature of the renewed deal with Motors TV gave the broadcaster a whole lot of power in negotiations. The sport needed a deal, and probably would have agreed to anything. Motors TV took advantage of that, getting the rights for a year in such a way that they could produce it for the lowest cost.

[GigiGalliNo1]

MotorsTV have confirmed NO WRC in 2013 on their channel!

I've checked EPG's in all English speaking countries. UK/USA/Aus/NZ/Sout Africa etc and nothing.

The EPG's CAN be updated last minute as the world don't really use a printed programme anymore.. well small amount.

The thing is, a lot of LIVE sport is on TV at the moment and during the weekend of Monte Carlo so let's see how they squeeze it in!

[GigiGalliNo1]

The Baltics have never had much of WRC coverage. When Märtin was still driving it was on a free to view channel in Estonia and I think last year the Viasat Sport started to show something of WRC, but not sure because I don't follow that channel.

ViaSat Baltic have been broadcasting the WRC since half way through the season!

And I mean in FULL High Definition. 1080x720!! Amazing stuff. I've sourced it online and it was great. In English too. Latvian version available. It was the broadcast that was pushed out internationally in which Paul King commented. Simply the best.

[AndyRAC]

This is a good place to post any articles from the mainstream press previewing the new 2012 season.

[GigiGalliNo1]

2013 you mean?

[GL Media Pro]

ViaSat Baltic have been broadcasting the WRC since half way through the season!

And I mean in FULL High Definition. 1080x720!! Amazing stuff. I've sourced it online and it was great. In English too. Latvian version available. It was the broadcast that was pushed out internationally in which Paul King commented. Simply the best.
Full High Definition is 1920x1080 not 1080x720.... but is ok ;)

[Rallying UK]

This is the future of what onboard rally TV coverage should look like.

It’s from Jännerrallye last weekend with Beppo Harrach on SS03


I hope the FIA take note for future WRC and ERC coverage!



http://youtu.be/WCPJSnLUQdE

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sorry! I ment 1080 somewhere

Will have to check but it was crisp and so nice!

[rallyfiend]

This seems to have been updated.

now mentions 2013 down the bottom.

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-tv-guide/)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ViaSat Baltic have been broadcasting the WRC since half way through the season!

And I mean in FULL High Definition. 1080x720!! Amazing stuff. I've sourced it online and it was great. In English too. Latvian version available. It was the broadcast that was pushed out internationally in which Paul King commented. Simply the best.

Where is this source ... link ?

[Franky]

Where is this source ... link ?

Welcome to the torrent underworld in that case.

[Sulland]

This is the future of what onboard rally TV coverage should look like.

It’s from Jännerrallye last weekend with Beppo Harrach on SS03


I hope the FIA take note for future WRC and ERC coverage!



http://youtu.be/WCPJSnLUQdE

Very good, but missing a sensor for gearselection.

[Motorsportfun]

This seems to have been updated.

now mentions 2013 down the bottom.

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-tv-guide/)

I see RAI Sports coverage is confirmed, like I said some days ago... but Canale Italia is not confirmed yet (they're working towards a project for a new tv-programme).

[Simmi]

Really sad to still be scrabbling around trying to find a way to watch the action.

I've been trying hard to keep the rally fires burning over the last few years. Finally 2013 seems to be a step in the right direction and then it's just another series of blows for the series.

[RAS007]

Who is running Bouffier's car?

[dimviii]

PH

[Miika]

Since no live-TV/stream, as long as the radio works and splits pop up everynowandthen, it´s all good. 2013, eh?

[RAS007]

Sorry wrong thread....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) @SKODAMotorsport (https://twitter.com/SKODAMotorsport)

(Re: UK TV) 'Hoping for some news tomorrow or Tuesday. Apparently a deal is in the pipeline ...' :)

[andyone]

Since no live-TV/stream, as long as the radio works and splits pop up every now and then, it´s all good. 2013, eh?
lol you know how it goes. i have lived with that since 07... and life goes on

[GigiGalliNo1]

SPEED TV HD Australia

The coverage kicks off tomorrow for round one, the Monte Carlo Rally (all times EDT):

9am TUE 15/1 - Preview
9am THU 17/1 - Day 1 highlights
9am FRI 18/1 - Day 2 highlights
9am SAT 19/1 - Day 3 highlights
7pm SUN 20/1 - Day 4 highlights
7pm MON 21/1 - Review

[Kielder]

Colin Clark confirms on Twitter that Motors TV won't be showing WRC this year :( .

[Isokello]

In Finland MTV Media (MTV3 MAX) shows WRC season 2013. Starts at Monte Carlo and it confirmed today. Let´s see who is rallyreporter at MTV because last year reporter reads pacenotes next to Juho Hänninen :) Sad that Motors TV won´t show WRC this year :(

[Plan9]

So it seems WRC will continue to be shown on random channels. Where does Red Bull House come into this situation now? I can;t believe we are this close to Monte Carlo and still no official announcement.

[stefanvv]

So it seems WRC will continue to be shown on random channels. Where does Red Bull House come into this situation now? I can;t believe we are this close to Monte Carlo and still no official announcement.

Servus TV is RedBull's channel. But still doesn't smell like global promotion because it is in German.

[tolis]

No live Power Stage this year?

[had_zachau]

Czech TV sport

Thursday 22:40 - 23:10
Friday 22:45 - 23:15
Sunday 22:40 - 23:15

[Allyc85]

Any info on this?!

::..RallyLive TV..:: (http://www.rallylive.tv/)

https://www.facebook.com/RallyLiveTV

[rallyfiend]

So it seems WRC will continue to be shown on random channels. Where does Red Bull House come into this situation now? I can;t believe we are this close to Monte Carlo and still no official announcement.

REd BUll Media House are one of the company's responsible for producing and selling the WRC TV programmes.

Where did you expect them to sit? What outcome were you expecting?

The key to this is them selling it to as many 'random' (as you put it) TV stations as possible to maximise the viewing potential.

[twodice]

Hey! New to the forum, just a bit gutted that Motors TV will not be showing the WRC this year. I thought I'd join as this looks like a great forum and hopefully the UK can see the coverage some other way.

[EightGear]

I just watched the last few minutes from the preview show on Servus TV Austria online. At the end there were logo's of the Red Bull Media House and the Sportsman Media Group.

[Bigdiggerman]

SKY TV has finally just announced it will be covering the WRC for NZ with daily highlight packages! PHEW!!

[RAS007]

Still no news for the UK? And I am assuming the US is going to get f-all as usual.....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Watching WRC Magazine Monte Carlo Preview. Østberg testing, Citroen Abu Dhabi launch, VW Debut story and preview of Monte! New Graphics too and in HD.

Funny I've checked the program guides... Day 1 coverage is only 15mins long. Day 2 to 4 is 30mins

[GigiGalliNo1]

The production and commentary is the best I've seen! They did a review of 2012 and it was put together - I can't describe it! Amazing

[GigiGalliNo1]

Redbull Video:

Video preview of what (http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331580439181/wrc-2013-preview-video)

[noel157]

Redbull Video:

Video preview of what (http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331580439181/wrc-2013-preview-video)

John Desborough announces at the end that 2013 "will give us a new world rally champion".....exciting times.
A student of the bleeding obvious..................to quote somebody I can't remember :)

[Mintexmemory]

John Desborough announces at the end that 2013 "will give us a new world rally champion".....exciting times.
A student of the bleeding obvious..................to quote somebody I can't remember :)
You have a PM Noel

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still no news for the UK and the rally starts tomorrow... :(

Last call ..... pleeeeeease someone sort it out !!

[GigiGalliNo1]

The Magazine/Monte Carlo Preview is available on the torrents.

[EightGear]

You can watch the preview show in German here: ServusTV - World Rally Championship 2013 (http://www.servustv.com/cs/Satellite/Article/World-Rally-Championship-2013-011259478275842)

[CatraBiNAS]

In Portugal we have Highlights every day in HD..

[satukata]

RALLYE DE MONTE-CARLO
Mardi 15 janvier à 17:40 French sport+ channel? Any change to watch this in internet?

[Simmi]

John Desborough announces at the end that 2013 "will give us a new world rally champion".....exciting times.
A student of the bleeding obvious..................to quote somebody I can't remember :)

That's not Desborough I don't think.

[noel157]

That's not Desborough I don't think.

Hmmm, just listened again, you could be correct. Who then I wonder?

[rallyfiend]

Hmmm, just listened again, you could be correct. Who then I wonder?

It's the same guy who used to work for North ONe and do the voicing when the usual guy was doing the POwer Stage commentary.

I think I remember hearing him do some interviewing the the Service Park in 2012 too.

Just watched the preview show on portuguese SportTV and I must say it was very good indeed. Historical images, good insight from the testing period... let's hope this continues like this for the rest of the season.

[Motorsportfun]

Watched the first show on Servus TV website. Let me say: WOW!

> TV production: high production and post-production quality, all in HD. We really couldn't hope better than this.

> New graphics: Remember the 2011/2012 Opening Titles (30" long, now shortened to 10", like Major sports events), on-screen graphics (calendar, drivers during on-board footage, etc.) and Instant Replay Transitions (the WRC logo that "introduce" you to the IR)? Now, finally, we have a very strong brand identity! Finally something exciting and - at the same time - fresh! That's simply great on the marketing point of view! Now, they've to give the same "theme" to website, official game, merchandising, etc.

> Contents: good features during factory-teams' tests, great historic shots for the Monte Carlo and a "breathtaking-edited" review of 2012 season.

Good stuff from Red Bull till now. If they continue this way, we'll have in 2014 a TV-production not very far from Formula 1 contents! Stay tuned, I'm finally happy and hopeful! Thanks Austrians! :)

[stefanvv]

Watched the first show on Servus TV website. Let me say: WOW!

> TV production: high production and post-production quality, all in HD. We really couldn't hope better than this.

> New graphics: Remember the 2011/2012 Opening Titles (30" long, now shortened to 10", like Major sports events), on-screen graphics (calendar, drivers during on-board footage, etc.) and Instant Replay Transitions (the WRC logo that "introduce" you to the IR)? Now, finally, we have a very strong brand identity! Finally something exciting and - at the same time - fresh! That's simply great on the marketing point of view!

> Contents: good features during factory-teams' tests, great historic shots for the Monte Carlo and a "breathtaking-edited" review of 2012 season.

Good stuff from Red Bull till now. If they continue this way, we'll have in 2014 a TV-production not very far from Formula 1 contents! Stay tuned, I'm finally happy and hopeful! Thanks Austrians! :)

Indeed it looks quite different (and lot better) from recent reviews (I've watched on Motors TV). These were just overview of last year's Rally.

[Fly_Half]

Watched the first show on Servus TV website. Let me say: WOW!

> TV production: high production and post-production quality, all in HD. We really couldn't hope better than this.

> New graphics: Remember the 2011/2012 Opening Titles (30" long, now shortened to 10", like Major sports events), on-screen graphics (calendar, drivers during on-board footage, etc.) and Instant Replay Transitions (the WRC logo that "introduce" you to the IR)? Now, finally, we have a very strong brand identity! Finally something exciting and - at the same time - fresh! That's simply great on the marketing point of view! Now, they've to give the same "theme" to website, official game, merchandising, etc.

> Contents: good features during factory-teams' tests, great historic shots for the Monte Carlo and a "breathtaking-edited" review of 2012 season.

Good stuff from Red Bull till now. If they continue this way, we'll have in 2014 a TV-production not very far from Formula 1 contents! Stay tuned, I'm finally happy and hopeful! Thanks Austrians! :)

Which makes it even more sickening that us poor sods in the UK won't be seeing any of it.

[satnav]

Watched the first show on Servus TV website. Let me say: WOW!

> TV production: high production and post-production quality, all in HD. We really couldn't hope better than this.

> New graphics: Remember the 2011/2012 Opening Titles (30" long, now shortened to 10", like Major sports events), on-screen graphics (calendar, drivers during on-board footage, etc.) and Instant Replay Transitions (the WRC logo that "introduce" you to the IR)? Now, finally, we have a very strong brand identity! Finally something exciting and - at the same time - fresh! That's simply great on the marketing point of view! Now, they've to give the same "theme" to website, official game, merchandising, etc.

> Contents: good features during factory-teams' tests, great historic shots for the Monte Carlo and a "breathtaking-edited" review of 2012 season.

Good stuff from Red Bull till now. If they continue this way, we'll have in 2014 a TV-production not very far from Formula 1 contents! Stay tuned, I'm finally happy and hopeful! Thanks Austrians! :)

I'd have to agree with you there , i thought it was very good indeed. Fly_Half you can watch the ServusTv programme ok heres the link ; http://www.servustv.com/cs/Satellite/Article/World-Rally-Championship-2013-011259478275842

[makinen_fan]

I ve watched the SPEED coverage in english. Very good indeed. I have seen almost all the footage before but editing and commentary is very good and hence engaging to watch. First time in years to watch a WRC program and not get bored.

BTW who is the commentator?

[makinen_fan]

for french guys:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMT7Q8XL1t8&feature=youtu.be

[EightGear]

Coverage in the Netherlands will be horrible as usual. The only rally program we have here is RTL Rally Report, which only has shows during the Dutch rally calendar. It usually starts around mid-March, in the weekend of the first Dutch rally. There are often some shows completely decidicted to WRC, but by far not all rounds.

RTL7 profiles itself as the TV channel 'for real men.' They cover(ed) F1, DTM and sometimes IndyCar, Darts, etc. Dakar coverage is huuuge with every day a 1 hour show. But that's because there are a lot of Dutch participants I guess... Time to cover WRC now...

[Motorsportfun]

I ve watched the SPEED coverage in english. Very good indeed. I have seen almost all the footage before but editing and commentary is very good and hence engaging to watch. First time in years to watch a WRC program and not get bored.

BTW who is the commentator?

We're all starting to understand why Eurosport insiders said a while ago that Red Bull bid "was simply better"...

[SDG]

Coverage in the Netherlands will be horrible as usual. The only rally program we have here is RTL Rally Report, which only has shows during the Dutch rally calendar. It usually starts around mid-March, in the weekend of the first Dutch rally. There are often some shows completely decidicted to WRC, but by far not all rounds.

RTL7 profiles itself as the TV channel 'for real men.' They cover(ed) F1, DTM and sometimes IndyCar, Darts, etc. Dakar coverage is huuuge with every day a 1 hour show. But that's because there are a lot of Dutch participants I guess... Time to cover WRC now...

Indeed, the Dakar show on RTL7 is very good. Of course the focus is mainly on the Dutch participants, but nevertheless it's very in-depth in general, with a lot of 'behind the scenes'-info. Way better than the Eurosport coverage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Will post the WRC Monte Preview here soon.

[GigiGalliNo1]

30mins of Monte Carlo Preview:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i9qwm0it5y27o6/WRC%202013%20%20Monte-Carlo%20Preview%20Show%20SPEED.mkv

Video will stay up for 24 hours or until Day (15mins broadcast) is shown.

[SDG]

Many thanks! Hope you will post more highlights throughout the season.

[EightGear]

30mins of Monte Carlo Preview:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i9qwm0it5y27o6/WRC%202013%20%20Monte-Carlo%20Preview%20Show%20SPEED.mkv

Video will stay up for 24 hours or until Day (15mins broadcast) is shown.

Nice work! It would be easier if you upload it on YouTube though, I'm sure it will be greatly appriciated by a lot of viewers!

Keep it up. :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Already put it on YouTube but cannot. Apparently it was "too long"

Unless someone can cut it.

[MrJan]

Dropbox is ideal for me, I can download it and watch it at home (where I don't have internet) so am more grateful for that than a Youtube link, thank you very much. The real shame is that I'll have to wait until Mondays before I can download it....although with so little coverage in the national media I should at least still be able to watch without knowing anything that's happened during the event :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

I can try to store all 4 days of coverage on my dropbox.... keep you posted. Preview will be gone in 24hrs. Sorry.

[Gabriel Wareing]

Just getting an error message when trying to access that Dropbox link. Maybe upload onto mediafire? Although it's odd that you say youtube upload isn't working properly.

"Error (509)
This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled!"

[GigiGalliNo1]

Yeh my dropbox has been suspended. It must have had so many views!! Sorry about that guys!

Will try to source another way.... I think it has ended up on YouTube now...

[Gabriel Wareing]

No worries, I think Dropbox are quite strict on copyright issues.

I couldn't find it on youtube, have you got a link?

allmyvideos.net - Could be a good option to upload to as well.

[Lousada]

RTL7 profiles itself as the TV channel 'for real men.' They cover(ed) F1, DTM and sometimes IndyCar, Darts, etc. Dakar coverage is huuuge with every day a 1 hour show. But that's because there are a lot of Dutch participants I guess... Time to cover WRC now...

That's because the Dutch participants pay 2000 euro per minute to rtl7! And it's paid in advance, so if you pay for airtime on the seventh day and you crash the sixth, well bad luck!

[MartijnS]

Not sure what these says?

Le rallye Monte Carlo 2013 en live sur motorstv.com ! | Motors TV (http://fr.motorstv.com/auto/rallye/wrc/15012013/le-rallye-monte-carlo-2013-en-live-sur-motorstvcom?fb_action_ids=4091403480057&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UPa-iG7coux.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A5866386 54696471%7D&action_type_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A%22og.lik es%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A%22.UPa-iG7coux.like%22%7D)

[Lousada]

Not sure what these says?

Le rallye Monte Carlo 2013 en live sur motorstv.com ! | Motors TV (http://fr.motorstv.com/auto/rallye/wrc/15012013/le-rallye-monte-carlo-2013-en-live-sur-motorstvcom?fb_action_ids=4091403480057&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UPa-iG7coux.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A5866386 54696471%7D&action_type_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A%22og.lik es%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%224091403480057%22%3A%22.UPa-iG7coux.like%22%7D)

It basically says that you can follow the rally live on their website. That means live timing and live reports, but not video.

[MartijnS]

Ok, thought so. Thanks.

[RAS007]

Still nothing for the UK? Man alive, what a cluster. I hope some good chaps on here can upload daily reviews to YouTube...... ;)

[Allyc85]

Latest news on the UK TV situation.

No British TV deal for Monte Carlo Rally - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105145)

[whereschris]

I don't think that this link has been posted yet....

WRC 2013 Rallye Monte-Carlo Preview - Part 1/2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQOoJpGilLg)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Day 1- Brief highlights with English comms:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J98eLZTuEc4

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Day 1 on Sport TV2 in Portugal at 22.30 ... thats NOW !!

Sporttv 2 online, sporttv2alternativa em directo no CasaDosSegredos.tv - Secret Story 3 Online (http://www.casadossegredos.tv/sporttv2alternativa)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

15 mins highlights package better than nothing...

Its funny that the drivers are interviewed in English when we cant watch the rally ... :rolleyes:

On again tomorrow at 23.00 UK/Portugal time:



5a. feira
17 de janeiro de 2013

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23:00




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AUTOMOBILISMO RALIS - WRC
(MONTE CARLO - RESUMO 2º DIA)
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SPORT.TV2

[GigiGalliNo1]

Just to add. SPEED TV in Australia are showing WRC Day 1 Monte Carlo Highlights... 15minutes.... Day 2 to 4 will be 30mins...

Will try to post up later on.

[noel157]

Here it is, official day one coverage:

MC 2013 Jour 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QuUuDjs3rIA)

Edit- dimviii beat me to it on the official thread :(

[Franky]

Its funny that the drivers are interviewed in English when we cant watch the rally ... :rolleyes:


In what language should they be interviewed then? French, Spanish, Chinese, Hindi?

[noel157]

In what language should they be interviewed then? French, Spanish, Chinese, Hindi?

Give him a break :) It's called irony.

[noel157]

As I posted in the main thread, English version:

WRC 2013 Monte Carlo Day 1 Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpcweqS-wmE&feature=em-uploademail)

[Franky]

Give him a break :) It's called irony.

It's the constant complaining of no coverage that's starting to annoy. It's the era where pretty much everything is either viewable live or with a small delay on the Internet. So if you really want to watch something you usually find it.

[noel157]

It's the constant complaining of no coverage that's starting to annoy. It's the era where pretty much everything is either viewable live or with a small delay on the Internet. So if you really want to watch something you usually find it.

I agree Franky. Everything is there if you look but I understand that watching it on the big screen with commentary in a language you understand makes a difference. Along with the feeling of being "left out" compared to other countries.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's the constant complaining of no coverage that's starting to annoy. It's the era where pretty much everything is either viewable live or with a small delay on the Internet. So if you really want to watch something you usually find it.

Thats exactly what I did, even if it meant loads of searching and then having to watch with Portuguese commentary... :rolleyes:

[SDG]

I agree Franky. Everything is there if you look but I understand that watching it on the big screen with commentary in a language you understand makes a difference. Along with the feeling of being "left out" compared to other countries.

True, if you happen to live in a country where's no big general interest in rallysport, this means you're completely cut off from footage except for some short snippets on the official WRC site afterwards. Fortunately there's YT and other stuff nowadays...

[BDunnell]

As I posted in the main thread, English version:

WRC 2013 Monte Carlo Day 1 Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpcweqS-wmE&feature=em-uploademail)

What very irritating commentary.

[James Graham]

It's the constant complaining of no coverage that's starting to annoy. It's the era where pretty much everything is either viewable live or with a small delay on the Internet. So if you really want to watch something you usually find it.

I agree. Which is why I'm on a one man mission to curate some of the best content I can find. I've created a YouTube channel to gather some footage together, however amateur so that we can at least watch something fairly easily.

#Sideways TV. (http://www.youtube.com/user/sidewaysmag)

If you subscribe then you'll be notified when a new playlist gets added or the videos are updated. I'll add a new playlist for each day of the rally to keep things simple and I'll update each one as I find new footage.

Plus there is the news feed from day one here (http://storify.com/sidewaysmag/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2013-day-1).

... and...

Plus there is the news feed from day two here (http://storify.com/sidewaysmag/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2013-day-2).

[ilsit]

Its a shame there's no coverage in the UK it would be good if Redbull setup a dedicated channel for the people in the UK to watch it on. Hopefully with a high number of hits they could show that Rallying is still popular in the UK when trying to sell it to a free to view channel.

[V.Gatev]

From iRally: Laola TV broadcasting WRC
Laola TV is now listed on wrc.com as an international broadcasting partner for WRC for Austria and Germany.

According to Wikipedia, the online channel is incorporated under the Sportsman Media Group - which is part of the new WRC promoter, along with Red Bull Media House.

Laola offers live broadcasts from sporting events, and on-demand videos.
The Laola website - Free Sport Live Streams / Videos (http://www.laola1.tv) - is currently listing 3 2013 WRC videos.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Laola website - Free Sport Live Streams / Videos (http://www.laola1.tv) - is currently listing 3 2013 WRC videos.

Great site, thanks. :)

[EightGear]

Great site, thanks. :)


Those video's are from wrc.com and the official WRC YouTube channel. ;)

[fmcv]

To be fair I was expecting a better tv coverage. No live stages, the tv shows are just about the same, only with fewer technologies like simulcam... I'm not sure if it got worse but it didn't got any better.

[Franky]

Have some patience. Wait a few rallies because usually TV productions gets quality-wise better (only exception is when funding is decreased).

Let's make judgements about better or worse at the end of the season, because then we have seen all what they planned to offer us.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If they just match what the IRC (Eurosport) has been doing for the last few years it will be a start ...

[noel157]

As in main thread:

30 min highlights of day 2 in English :

Part 1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK9G-LkFzVw




Part 2: WRC 2013 Monte Carlo Day 2 - Part 2/2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHAuYR1XPg)

[fmcv]

Have some patience. Wait a few rallies because usually TV productions gets quality-wise better (only exception is when funding is decreased).

Let's make judgements about better or worse at the end of the season, because then we have seen all what they planned to offer us.
Quite right! The first impressions are a bit disappointing though.