rate the teams for 2010

[ratonmacias]

based on your hunch, engines, driver lineup and other unforeseen factors how do you think the teams will stack up for this season.


1.-ferrari
2.-redbull
3.-mclaren
4.-mercedes
5.-williams
6.-renault
7.-sauber
8.-force india
9.-toro rosso
10.-lotus
11.-virgin
12.-campos
13.-usf1

flame on

btw i think the top 4 will bevery close, williams far from the top 4 and far from 6th then 6th to 10th will be close and then the 2nd division teams

[DazzlaF1]

1. McLaren
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Mercedes
5. Williams
6. Force India
7. Renault
8. Lotus
9. Sauber
10. Virgin
11. Toro Rosso (they could struggle seeing as they have to build their own chassis for the first time)
12. USF1
13. Campos Meta

[F1boat]

1 Mercedes GP
2 McLaren Mercedes
3 Ferrari
4 Red Bull
5 Williams F1
6 Renault
7 Force India
8 Lotus
9 Virgin Racing
10 Sauber
11 STR
12 Campos
13 USF1

I have a feeling that this will be a very silver year, as I am very confident in Ross Brawn and Mercedes and also in the McLaren team. I believe that Ferrari will be stronger than last year, but still not as good as the silver arrows of either Mercedes of McLaren Mercedes. Red Bull - about them I am biased as I don't like neither the team and his boss, nor their supposed wunderkind Vettel, but I simply view them as weaker teams than the Big Three. About Newey - he is brilliant, but he has made turkeys as well as world beaters and I rate Brawn more than him anyway.

[V12]

1 McLaren
2 Ferrari
3 Mercedes
4 Red Bull
5 Renault
6 Williams
7 Sauber
8 Force India
9 Lotus
10 Toro Rosso
11 Virgin
12 Campos
13 USF1

Of course I'll probably be totally wrong :)

[philipbain]

ooh, I like this kind of thing!

1. McLaren
2. Red Bull
3. Mercedes
4. Ferrari
5. Sauber
6. Williams
7. Force India
8. Renault
9. Toro Rosso
10. Virgin
11. Lotus
12. USF1
13. Campos

Ferrai - In my own personal opinion I can't see Ferrari going back to the front, even with Alonso in the seat - the fastest thing about Ferrari last season was Raikonnen, and he's now driving hatchbacks down country roads for a living.

McLaren - Really impressed me last season, turning what was fundamentally a turd of a car into a multiple race winner in mid season with no testing was a magnificent achievement and with added quality in the driving department I think McLaren should be there or thereabouts from day one.

Red Bull - Came up with the formula for what was clearly the fastest car at the end of the 2009 season, so that momentum can be carried through with an even faster car, I can see Vettel challenging at the sharp end.

Mercedes GP - The rebadged and refinanced Brawn team ought to be able to mix it up at the sharp end with what i'd rate as a driver pairing only matched for quality by McLaren's lineup. Also with the relative lack of development through last season it would be safe to assume they got on with the 2010 challenger nice and early again so expect them to be on the money from the start of the season.

Midfield - Sauber will benefit from the removal of the corporate culture that BMW brought to the team, going back to Ferrari engines is a good move too. Williams have a decent driver lineup combining the most experienced driver in F1 history with a very bright prospect in the shape of The Hulk. Force India were the most improved team of 2009 and the addition of 4 brand new teams ought to guarantee thier mid field status. Renault are still feeling the shockwaves of the spygate scandal and with the removal of Flav & Pat the heart has been ripped out of the team, I feel it will take quite some time for this pheonix to rise from the flames. Toro Rosso need to learn to make better use of thier Red Bull chassis, they did it during 2008, though Vettel is very much a superstar and got the potential performance from the car, please - no Alguersuari.

Backmarkers - unsurprisingly we are talking about the 4 new teams here. I feel that Virgin & Lotus are best prepared, I have given Virgin the nod simply because they have had a longer lead time, though both Virgin & Lotus have a decent driver lineup. Campos will run a Dallara chassis, which will be a completely unknown quantity, though i'm thrilled that Bruno Senna will be driving for them. USF1 - I heard that Jose Maria Lopez, the Argentine driver that ran in GP2 a few years back but has more recently been doing domestic stock car racing in South America will be driving for them, I assume he brings along a fair bit of sponsorship with him. Thats if they turn up at all - if not expect Stefan GP (using what was to be the 2010 Toyota chassis) banging on the door for an entry into F1 at the start of the European season - you heard it here first!

[ratonmacias]

so it seems we have williams as 5 or 6th best is that good or bad for them?

[jas123f1]

1. Red Bull
2. McLaren
3. Mercedes
4. Ferrari
5. Williams
6. Sauber
7. Force India
8. Renault
9. Toro Rosso
10. Lotus
11. Virgin
12. USF1
13. Campos

[Cozzie]

1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. McLaren
4. Ferrari
5. Williams
6. Force India
7. Renault
8. Lotus
9. Virgin
10. Sauber
11. Toro Rosso
12. USF1
13. Campos

1-4 will win races and be the title contenders
5-6 will consistently score points
7-10 will be battling at the lower end of the points on a good day
11-13 will not score a point

[jonny hurlock]

1. McLaren
2. Red Bull
3. Mercedes
4. Ferrari
5. Force India
6. Sauber
7. Renault
8. Williams
9. Toro Rosso
10. Lotus
11. Virgin
12. USF1
13. Campos

[Rollo]

1. Mclaren
2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. Red Bull
5. Renault
6. Force India
7. Williams
8. Sauber
9. Toro Rosso
10. Lotus
11. USF1*
11. Virgin*
11. Campos*

Three teams I mark as equal 11th with the distinction that none of them will score a point. I mean for goodness sake, USF1 hasn't officially named a driver yet. At least Lotus has Mike Gascoyne working for them.

I think that Schumacher is probably past it, and that although he is working for Brawn, the other men in silver will have a better set of cars this year.
Ferrari appear to have lost their way, but are still probably better adaprted than Red Bull whom I think had a fluke in 2009.

I expect that Pedro de la Rosa will occupy the the second seat at Sauber, and that Kobayashi will replace one of the Mercedes drivers in 2011.

[V12]

1 McLaren
2 Ferrari
3 Mercedes
4 Red Bull
5 Renault
6 Williams
7 Sauber
8 Force India
9 Lotus
10 Toro Rosso
11 Virgin
12 Campos
13 USF1

Of course I'll probably be totally wrong :)

OK I should probably try and justify my selection like everyone else...

McLaren and Ferrari 1-2... I feel last year was an aberration due to the combination of the massive rule changes and them chasing the title to the death in 2008... I feel in my gut they'll be the top two teams in 2010.

Brawn (now Mercedes) and Red Bull were the teams of 2009, I think they'll be best of the rest (and probably closer to the front than "the rest" at that), but I feel Mercedes involvement has come too late to affect how Brawn would have done in 2010 anyway, they'll be one to keep an eye on in the long term but I don't see them winning (the title) again in 2010. Newey specialises on radical regulation changes, like how McLaren suddenly vaulted to the front in 1998, just like Red Bull in 2009, but as things settle down I don't think Red Bull have it about them to win the title in 2010, although I think they will win (some) race(s) like Brawn/Mercedes.

After the new "big four"...I think Renault with Kubica aboard and fresh impetus will *just* shade Williams with their stock Cosworths (my gut again).

Sauber, without BMW funding, but equally without BMW beaurocracy and with Ferrari engines again, will probably return to where they were before BMW - midfield respectability. Force India did well towards the end of 2009 but I'd put the newly independent Sauber just ahead of them.

I was going to put the four new teams at the back, but with Toro Rosso having the culture shock of reacclimatising to building their own car like when they were Minardi, I'll put Lotus just ahead of them as they seem the most purposeful of the new entrants.

The last three teams, Virgin, Campos, USF1, I base purely on what I've seen/heard of them so far.

Like I said, I might well be completely wrong :)

[macksrallye]

1-McLaren
2-Red Bull
3-Ferrari
4-Mercedes
5-Williams
6-Sauber
7-Force India
8-Lotus
9-Renault
10-Virgin
11-Toro Rosso
12-Campos (If they make it)
13-USF1 (Again, if they make it)

McLaren will just pip Red Bull at the post because I believe they have a better driver line-up. Ferrari have to come a long way from where they were last year but I believe Alonso can help that (as much as I personally don't like him). Mercedes money has come too late for Brawn to get a decent leg up for next year & I think MSh will be suprised just how competative the field is. Of all of the rest I guess the only suprising one is going to be Renault. My personal thoughts are if they hire a good second driver we will se them back up towards the top but only towards the end of next year. With everything being up in the air there for the last few months I think they will really struggle at the beginning of the year.

[christophulus]

Didn't we already have a thread like this? Maybe not.

Anyway:

1. McLaren
2. Ferrari
3. Mercedes
4. Red Bull
5. Renault
6. Williams
7. Force India
8. Sauber
9. Toro Rosso
10. Virgin
11. Lotus
12. Campos
13. USF1

Initially I thought Brawn/Mercedes might win again, but I just don't think Schumacher will be able to reach his previous form and Rosberg doesn't strike me as a world champion. Also their car won't be as far ahead as last year so I think they'll slip back. On paper, McLaren looks strongest and I just can't see them making the same mistake as last year.

I wanted to put Williams higher than 6th as they've shown they have raw pace in the past, at least at the start of the season, but I think the Cosworth could hinder them, both in reliability and fuel consumption. Hopefully Barrichello and Hulkenberg will get on the podium now and again though.

Virgin the best of the brand new teams for me, as I think the CFD approach is interesting and they've got a solid driver line up. Originally I would've put at least two of the new teams equal last, but now we've got points down to 10th I reckon they'll all get points on the board, provided they last the season.

[jens]

In November or somewhere like that we already had a thread like that, but since then my opinion hasn't changed much:

1. Red Bull
2. McLaren
3. Ferrari
4. Mercedes
5. Renault
6.-8. Williams/Sauber/Force India

Why such rankings?
Red Bull had the best aerodynamics last year and arguably various teams have taken RB5's design as their approach. So they are obviously the pacesetters. :) Renault has the most fuel-efficient engine. Also according to my knowledge Newey is the only chief designer, who was designing cars already during the previous refueling-ban (pre-94), so he may have some kind of an extra experience in approaching 2010. The main problems might be mechanical grip and reliability (the departure of Willis might have a negative effect on both areas).

McLaren is my next choice. Their aero seems still slightly "iffy", although they seemed to be improving nicely last year. Maybe abandoning KERS will have a negative effect too - it means they have to adapt once again (like they had to adapt for '09 with KERS), in this respect for instance RBR is having a much smoother run.

Others have more questionmarks in my view, including Ferrari. The reshuffling of the team and leadership in the team, whose decisions seem to be based too much on emotions, leave me cautious. I didn't see the point of sacking aero-guru John Iley last year - it may backfire.

Mercedes is the biggest questionmark among "Top4". They have none of the advantages they had in early-09: 400M$ budget for development (2010 car has been developed on a shoestring), DD-diffuser, the departure of chief designer Zander, big time advantage in development. Well, Brawn has claimed that they have abandoned 2009 and concentrated on 2010 already after Turkey, but to me it doesn't seem completely true. I remember Brawn claiming after the Hungarian GP that the upgrades hadn't worked at all (that's why there was a huge slip in car performance) and they had to re-analyze everything to understand, what had gone wrong. Ross Brawn may be a genius, but even he won't win every year - 2010 will be like that. Finally thanks to Mercedes the Brackley-based team is again a well-funded outfit, but it will have a positive effect more likely for 2011 or for mid-2010 developments at earliest.

Renault is a potential dark horse. Arguably they stopped developing their car a bit earlier too after Alonso had finally shown some promise (FL in Germany, pole in Hungary, although on light fuel load). Fuel-efficieng engine and arguably a more conventional design approach for 2010 after the 09 radical one didn't pay off. They also (and unlike McLaren/Ferrari - unsuccessfully) messed with KERS, which cost them valuable development time before 2009. We don't know the second driver yet, but if Heidfeld is signed alongside Kubica, they have a really strong line-up, which can nicely compete against the rest of the Top4 teams. Yes, the team has had some reshuffling, but as far as I know, the design team hasn't changed. The change in team management might turn out to be a hindrance in the second half of 2010 though (like it's known, all changes in F1 take time before seeing their full effect)

Force India could be fast, likewise Sauber (car was being developed during 2009 with the funds of BMW), but maybe drivers' performances will be a more "iffy". But still they may put in some surprising results here and there. Williams' stumbling block might be the thursty Cosworth engines. They may well qualify into Q3 on a regular basis, but race performances and reliability is a question-mark. Well, like 2006 a bit.

And finally I just plain hope that Lotus can surprise somehow and Trulli can get into Q3 at least for once. :D

P.S. Interesting is that endless talk about "Big Four". I remember that before 2009 we had a different "big four", who were expected to battle it out for the title (Fer, McL, BMW, Ren). By now two members of those four have changed, so that's how the radical season of 2009 has changed the general pecking order and perception. :p :

[Saint Devote]

Mclaren and Red Bull will make the running. I think that by mid-season Schumacher will still be behind Rosberg and after the German Grand Prix he will leave - his reputation in tatters and Merc third driver in the seat.

If Schumacher wins it will be extremely bad for f1 - a 41 year old, last racing in a different era to return and beat everyone in the new era - the cars probably the most difficult to drive in history? Not on.

Then will be Ferrari, Mercedes or Williams and, the rest.

[Rollo]

If Schumacher wins it will be extremely bad for f1 - a 41 year old, last racing in a different era to return and beat everyone in the new era - the cars probably the most difficult to drive in history? Not on.

"the cars probably the most difficult to drive in history"? Not bloody likely.

Try driving a 1955 Mercedes W196 with crap brakes, skinny tyres and virtually zero aerodynamic grip. Compared with 50 years ago, modern GP cars are a breeze... plus you don't have to worry about someone dying every other fortnight.

[DexDexter]

Mclaren
Ferrari
Red Bull
Mercedes
Renault
Sauber
Force India
Toro Rosso
Williams
Lotus
Virgin
Campos
USF1

- All the teams at the bottom of my list use Cosworth engines.

[Mia 01]

Mercedes
Redbull
MacLaren
Renualt
Ferrari
Williams
Sauber
Force India
Toro Rosso
Lotus
Virgin
Campos
"USF1" (Hope they make it)

[ioan]

If Schumacher wins it will be extremely bad for f1 - a 41 year old, last racing in a different era to return and beat everyone in the new era - the cars probably the most difficult to drive in history?

F1 history didn't start in 1993.

[jens]

Actually when I'm rethinking now, I suspect I may have given too little attention for Force India. They were almost frontrunners last year, there will be no engine equalization (still have the advantage of Mercedes) and unlike other 5th-8th position contenders the team has a clear stability. Driver consistency and form on street circuits (they were nowhere at Singapore and Abu Dhabi) are the biggest concerns. FI seems like one of the hardest teams to predict, but if we are seeking for a "2010 Brawn" - a real breakthrough team - they may be the closest bet. I'd move them up at least on par with Renault for 5th.

[Saint Devote]

"the cars probably the most difficult to drive in history"? Not bloody likely.

Try driving a 1955 Mercedes W196 with crap brakes, skinny tyres and virtually zero aerodynamic grip. Compared with 50 years ago, modern GP cars are a breeze... plus you don't have to worry about someone dying every other fortnight.

I did not say they were the WORST to drive - I do think they are the most difficult because of they are the quickest and the grid is covered by fraction of time compared to periods before.

[Saint Devote]

F1 history didn't start in 1993.

In terms of the 2010 grid it did start around then - the era of Schumacher.

It is a brave move for a driver who has so much to lose in reputation to re-enter during a different and much more difficult era than his was.

So his performance will either raise his standing or reduce it.

We assess him as having no weaknesses and this is valid. He will be the most "complete" driver on the grid. Only Alonso comes close to that but emotionally he is nowhere near Schumacher.

The question for me is how will he be able to adapt. We all expect him to be able from the start - but, against the top drivers of the new era?

If he does beat them all, especially his apparent nemesis Alonso and the man declared by so many to be his successor, Hamilton, then surely even I will proclaim Michael Schumacher to be the greatest driver in history and MEAN IT.

[Saint Devote]

Actually when I'm rethinking now, I suspect I may have given too little attention for Force India. They were almost frontrunners last year, there will be no engine equalization (still have the advantage of Mercedes) and unlike other 5th-8th position contenders the team has a clear stability. Driver consistency and form on street circuits (they were nowhere at Singapore and Abu Dhabi) are the biggest concerns. FI seems like one of the hardest teams to predict, but if we are seeking for a "2010 Brawn" - a real breakthrough team - they may be the closest bet. I'd move them up at least on par with Renault for 5th.

FI still have to demonstrate that their performance was no fluke. That will be shown if they can build on their success. Maintain performance on quick tracks but better results on slower tracks.

If they can do that then they will have "come of age". The continued technical association with Mclaren is a great advantage - are they able to leverage it further is the question and this time without having a Mclaren man on loan managing the team.

[ioan]

whats you prediction for the season ioan?

I usually don't make predictions, even more so when we didn't even see the 2010 cars let alone have some 'irrelevant' testing times.

[ioan]

The question for me is how will he be able to adapt. We all expect him to be able from the start - but, against the top drivers of the new era?

Adapt to what?!
MS has already driven cars with similar characteristics before, something the top drivers of the new era never did.
If someone needs to adapt that ain't Michael.

[Hondo]

Stand aside lads, here is the definative preview in all of it's meaningless, inconclusive glory.

I was once told, or read, or saw a quote attributed to Enzo Ferrari. Supposedly, Enzo was an engine and chassis man and regarded new technologies like areodynamics with suspicion until he saw their value proven on other cars after which, he'd copy it. Anyway, back when cars were starting to sprout wings, the story goes that Enzo told one of his prospective drivers "This is not the best car but if you are the best driver you can win with this car." True or not, it's a cool line and I think it will some up the 2010 season. Having to use both tire compounds along with a constantly changing weight due to fuel useage means each driver, for 1/3 to 1/2 of each Grand Prix, will be dealing with a car whose balance and set up is less then optimum for that driver. The guys that need a perfect, or near perfect car will struggle in 2010. So.

1. Red Bull.
These guys had a car last year that worked for both drivers. Breakage and crashing aside, both drivers can win and will adapt well to the car changes over the course of the race. They are the only team returning with the same drivers. They will be difficult to beat, at least in the early part of the season.

2. Mercedes GP.
The old git wouldn't be back unless he thought he could win. Then again, one year at Indy he thought he would slow up so he and Rubens could make a nice 1-2 finish in the same photograph. Rubens, already having enough photographs, sped up, zoomed past him, and took the win. So the old git doesn't always think correctly. Schumacher and Brawn will do good because they are Schumacher and Brawn. The old git may take the WDC but how Nico adapts to the carload of fuel is the unknown so the WCC may be out of reach. Think of what fun the anti-Mercedes fans will have pointing out how quickly Mercedes was able to turn a winning team into a loser.

3. McLaren F1.
The assumption is always made that "big" teams like McLaren and Ferrari will always build a contender from the get-go. In the last few years they have both done a fine job of proving otherwise. I don't have a clue as to how good their car will be this year and I bet they don't either. So forget the car, on to the drivers. After watching Hamilton last year, I believe he will one day be remembered as one of F1's exceptional drivers. Button will be the unknown. Winning the WDC has a habit of changing folks and Button has finally figured out the extra weight in his knickers is the set of balls that have been on backorder. If the car is close to right, these guys may be able to deliver both titles.

4. Ferrari.
Most of this is personal opinion but if BMW(ferrari)Sauber had some drivers, I'd have them at #4. To this day I think the McLaren-Ferrari spy thing was a set up deal and I think the man who engineered it remains at Ferrari. As soon as the FIA got through stomping a mudhole in McLaren, Ferrari quietly, as I predicted, dropped all criminal charges. Funny that they didn't do the same when Toyota got caught. The truth will come out some day. Anyway, the man whose bruised ego caused him to interfere enough with the dream team to the point it began to rot away in a festering ooze is now in full command again. As his control increased, so did the comedy routines of the team. Like McLaren, who knows what kind of car they'll show up with this year. Their test driver couldn't drive last years car. Alonso and Massa will do their best but the team will continue to shoot itself in the foot. No titles.

5. BMW-Sauber, Force India
Sauber and Rampf need to prove last year was a fluke and come out with a winner. They could use some drivers. Force India needs to prove last year was no fluke and come out fighting in the upper third.

6. WilliamsF1, Renault, and RB Jr.
Sir Frank and Pat need to move on. The old business model is dead and the car is no longer the star. The driver is important again and whether you like it or not, you better listen to them. If the Cosworth works, Rubens may be able to get you some points. Renault is dead. The people that made it work at all are gone. I don't know how to say "why me?" in Polish but I feel your pain Robert. Scuderia Red Bull II now has their first, very own "hey looky at what we made" sitting on the garage floor. We'll see.

7. The rest.
Take your pick. Much if what they do will depend on what the Cosworth can do. I guess my overall feeling is that this Cosworth thing was Mosely's idea and leave it at that.

[ioan]

Fair enough.. I just see it as abit of fun, like betting but without losing any money.

No money lost, but there are quite a few around here who love to bookmark posts and come back to haunt you at the end of the season.

Anyway making predictions requires to have a knowledge base and right now we know nothing so we can in the best case make some wild guesses.

[Rollo]

I did not say they were the WORST to drive - I do think they are the most difficult because of they are the quickest and the grid is covered by fraction of time compared to periods before.

That makes the competition difficult, not the cars.

[SGWilko]

No money lost, but there are quite a few around here who love to bookmark posts and come back to haunt you at the end of the season.


I find not balking tollocks helps avoid this practice....

[Saint Devote]

Adapt to what?!
MS has already driven cars with similar characteristics before, something the top drivers of the new era never did.
If someone needs to adapt that ain't Michael.

When was that?

The control tyres only began in 2007 - you say you cannot predict 2010 yet you already make an assumption about Schumacher??

[Saint Devote]

No money lost, but there are quite a few around here who love to bookmark posts and come back to haunt you at the end of the season.

Anyway making predictions requires to have a knowledge base and right now we know nothing so we can in the best case make some wild guesses.

Your fear of being wrong and evidently lack of faith in Schumi [OMG!!!] is no reason - an excuse yes - but valid reason, no.

'Fraidy cat, 'fraidy cat..... :s mokin:

[Saint Devote]

That makes the competition difficult, not the cars.

Interpret it as you wish - I think you comprehend my point :D

[Saint Devote]

I personally don't think Schuey is in danger of damaging his reputation as far as his win ratio goes, because this is a new chapter IMO. I agree that the competition he faces on his return is the toughest he's seen since 1993, and it'll be interesting to see how he handles it.

As far as adapting to the car is concerned, this has never really been one of Michael's weaknesses. He's driven so many variations over the years, I think he'll enjoy the challenge... :)

Certainly he will initially enjoy the challenge - the test comes if he has real problems adapting to the tyres and cannot test to rectify the situation.

Reputations are on the line - he has to beat the top drivers of the day otherwise the story will go he is over the hill or in his time the boutique nature of racing and the lack of competition made him look better than.

If he does beat them then their reputations will suffer - just as people here have claimed will happen if Jenson does not beat Hamilton.

[ioan]

When was that?

The control tyres only began in 2007 - you say you cannot predict 2010 yet you already make an assumption about Schumacher??

:?:

How many tire suppliers did they have back in the mid nineties?

You talk about control tire like if it was anything else than a race tire. Could you please point out what is so special about it and why a 7 times WDC should be afraid of the usual round black rubber?

[Saint Devote]

:?:

How many tire suppliers did they have back in the mid nineties?

You talk about control tire like if it was anything else than a race tire. Could you please point out what is so special about it and why a 7 times WDC should be afraid of the usual round black rubber?

You are like Bill Clinton you evade answering by posing a question - but I will answer you.

Unlike you, Schumacher is not afraid - otherwise he would not have returned risking his reputation. He realizes that it will be more difficult than at any other time in f1 for him.

The control tyre is different because it removes co-operation between the team and the tyre supplier.

It was directly this that collapsed the Renault competitiveness - their car became unbalanced and they never fully recovered.

Schumacher has never had this experience of having to adapt to a tyre - it was always testing and finding the best rubber or during his championship years designing the tyre also for the car and his style.

Maybe Mercedes will hit a sweet spot for the old German driver, and the tyres will be better than in 2009 and he will unusually be able to handle it from the beginning.

This is the unkown factor and given the experience of all the excellent drivers in f1 today makes his return being odds against him.

For you to ask such a question shows how little you know about f1.

[Rollo]

For you to ask such a question shows how little you know about f1.

No. Actually it's verbal irony and if any shows quite the opposite.

[ioan]

You are like Bill Clinton...

Luckily I'm not like Saint Devote.
Now, where's Monika?!

[ioan]

The control tyre is different because it removes co-operation between the team and the tyre supplier.

Almost missed this pearl.
So what is different compared to the other black round rubber things that MS raced from 1991 to 2006?!
And what exactly is the advantage that others are supposed to have over MS if everyone has the same tires?!
And last but not least this season there will be new compounds and also a different size front wheel, for everyone so they all have to adapt.

[Saint Devote]

Almost missed this pearl.
So what is different compared to the other black round rubber things that MS raced from 1991 to 2006?!
And what exactly is the advantage that others are supposed to have over MS if everyone has the same tires?!
And last but not least this season there will be new compounds and also a different size front wheel, for everyone so they all have to adapt.

You understand my point exactly so going around in circles is pointless.

Unlike you I am not afraid of being wrong and time will tell whether Schumacher is up to the challenge. I do not think he will beat the current top drivers while you do. If he manages the improbable I will enjoy it as much as anyone else. If he is defeated I will be disappointed albeit correct. That is his risk.

I think he is being used by Mercedes as an excuse to justify their greater involvement as a team in f1. It is well reported in the German press that their are disgruntled board members that see this venture as unneccessary and expensive.

While Schumacher is obviously bored and seeks a sequal to his career. Mercedes and Schumacher need each other but seldom is that a recipe for success.

Preferably I want Rosberg to do better - and I think he will - because he is one of the faces of f1's present and future. Trying to resurrect the past is never a sound idea.

[Hondo]

Here I take the time to write a quality, well thought review and get no feedback. None. Why? I'm glad you asked. It' because you meatballs have buried it with your incessant arguing over whom is the biggest moron.

Jeeezzzzz.

[Hondo]

It is unfortunate that Massa will also be a victim but enough player chickens are now roosting comfortably at home in order for that strange force of natural justice to kick in. Ferrari will have it's worst season in 10 years. Di Montezemolo will have new duties at the end of the season.

[F1boat]

You understand my point exactly so going around in circles is pointless.

Unlike you I am not afraid of being wrong and time will tell whether Schumacher is up to the challenge. I do not think he will beat the current top drivers while you do. If he manages the improbable I will enjoy it as much as anyone else. If he is defeated I will be disappointed albeit correct. That is his risk.

I think he is being used by Mercedes as an excuse to justify their greater involvement as a team in f1. It is well reported in the German press that their are disgruntled board members that see this venture as unneccessary and expensive.

While Schumacher is obviously bored and seeks a sequal to his career. Mercedes and Schumacher need each other but seldom is that a recipe for success.

Preferably I want Rosberg to do better - and I think he will - because he is one of the faces of f1's present and future. Trying to resurrect the past is never a sound idea.

Why don't you two make a sig betting match, Jenson vs MS?

[jens]

Why don't you two make a sig betting match, Jenson vs MS?

Because Ioan never bets. But maybe Saint Devote v Garry Walker would make sense. :p :

[ioan]

Because Ioan never bets.

Exactly! :)

[Robinho]

Luckily I'm not like Saint Devote.
Now, where's Monika?!

If your going to talk about people you should at least get his/her name right...it was Monica?!

[F1boat]

Because Ioan never bets. But maybe Saint Devote v Garry Walker would make sense. :p :

This will be cool, too. For me it will be difficult as I like both Michael and Jenson, although I believe that MS is a better driver - even now and I hope that he will win.

[F1boat]

My dream for 2010 would be MS champion and Jenson 2nd :)

[ioan]

If your going to talk about people you should at least get his/her name right...it was Monica?!

Monica who?

[Robinho]

Monica who?

the Monica connected with Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, although feel free to claim you meant someone else to disguise your double standards