Schumacher to test GP2 car at Jerez

[Giuseppe F1]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80792

Schumacher to test GP2 car at Jerez
By Edd Straw and Pablo Elizalde
Monday, January 11th 2010, 10:17 GMT

Seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher will return to action on Tuesday when he tests a GP2 car at the Jerez circuit in Spain.

The German, who will make a sensational return to Formula 1 racing with the Mercedes GP team this year, will take part in a private test at the Spanish circuit, using a GP2 car from the Supernova team........

[Sonic]

Interesting. I wonder why he feels the need? F1 testing is only 20 days away.

Shows he's very motivated though.

[Mark]

Interesting. I wonder why he feels the need? F1 testing is only 20 days away.

Shows he's very motivated though.

The more practice the better. The F1 pre-season testing it about getting the car sorted, not to get him sorted.

[Valve Bounce]

Maybe he wants to make sure his neck is now 100% for the high 'G' forces.

[Sonic]

I guess. But I should think running a F2007 on gp2 tyres would be more beneficial.

[Sonic]

Ooops! Just answered my own question didn't I! Gonna take some getting used to. Schumacher = ferrari in my head.

[Mark]

I'd only just got used to him being a Ferrari driver too, then the bugger moves again... Someone hold this guy down!!... :p

heh, and I didn't notice your error until you pointed it out. It will take some getting used to!

[Dave B]

It's going to seem very odd seeing him in Mercedes colours after so long in red!

[F1boat]

Maybe he wants to make sure his neck is now 100% for the high 'G' forces.

I think so. I hope that everything will be fine.

[Saint Devote]

I certainly hope its OK, as this will be very embarrassing for him to be forced to drop out for a second time.. :)

But thats the whole point - I also raised it a while ago.

Schumacher only knew his injury was a problem when he tested the Ferrari. Now he has been pronounced back to full strength - how?

He did not drive a racing car - unless of course it was a ruse because he realized just how bad he would perform in the F60 without time to adapt.

Mario Andretti commented that he hopes the injury was the real problem because in his view, Schumacher handled the whole situation very badly. I would not disagree with the greatest American driver in history and probably the greatest all rounder in history.

WISH the US could find another driver like Andretti interested in f1 - Tony Stewart would have been ideal! :D

[Saint Devote]

It's going to seem very odd seeing him in Mercedes colours after so long in red!

Even odder will be when he arrives in Monza and the tifosi hiss and boo at him. Could make the Austria 2002 reaction pale in comparison.

[F1boat]

WISH the US could find another driver like Andretti interested in f1 - Tony Stewart would have been ideal! :D

too fat!

[F1boat]

Even odder will be when he arrives in Monza and the tifosi hiss and boo at him. Could make the Austria 2002 reaction pale in comparison.

IMO they won't boo at him. My friend was at Monza this year and they didn't boo at Barrichello, although Rubens has said bad things about the red team. They will boo only at McLaren and likely only at Lewis.

[Dave B]

Even odder will be when he arrives in Monza and the tifosi hiss and boo at him. Could make the Austria 2002 reaction pale in comparison.
I credit the Tifosi with a bit more intelligence than that. They surely recognise that Schumacher did not defect as a racing driver, and didn't stich Ferrari up. I'm certain they appreciate all he did for their team and wish him well.

[Daniel]

Iagree Dave. I think they'll enjoy seeing him too.

[Dave B]

And I'll be at Monza to witness their reaction :D :D :D

[Sonic]

I just hope this test doesn't end up being a right pain in the neck.. :p

God that was bad... Taxi!!

Groan! I'll get your coat.... :D

[555-04Q2]

Interesting. I wonder why he feels the need? F1 testing is only 20 days away.

Shows he's very motivated though.

He's always had a very good work ethic on and off the track.

[Dave B]

And here he is, the leg-end at the wheel of a GP2 car:

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1263292690.jpg










http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80812

[maximilian]

http://sport.orf.at/100112-21920/f1_schumacher_auto_pop_up_gr_a.jpg

[maximilian]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47093000/jpg/_47093642_schuap466.jpg

[555-04Q2]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!

[maximilian]

How do you all like the "Red Ferrari helmet" with the Mercedes logo on it? :p

[motetarip]

Interesting. I wonder why he feels the need? F1 testing is only 20 days away.

Shows he's very motivated though.

Probably just itching to get in a fast single seater and rag it round the track!

[CNR]

Q:why he did not test in a 2007 honda ?

maybe honda still own the cars
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1033440_brawn-gp-auctioning-off-honda-f1-cars-at-silverstone-classic-event

One of those ways is the auction of several race cars and show cars from the 2001-2006 period of the Honda (http://www.thecarconnection.com/make/honda) and British American Tobacco F1 teams that were included in Brawn's purchase of Honda's F1 operation (http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1032170_official-honda-sells-f1-team-to-former-team-principal-ross-brawn).

[motetarip]

Q:why he did not test in a 2007 honda ?

Perhaps he'd rather not start the 2010 season suffering from depression

[Cooper_S]

How do you all like the "Red Ferrari helmet" with the Mercedes logo on it? :p

I was surprised (and delighted) actually to see he kept the red.. however that is not to say once the Mercedes 2010 livery is revealed he will have a colour coded lid.

[Cooper_S]

Interesting. I wonder why he feels the need? F1 testing is only 20 days away.

Shows he's very motivated though.

as I heard he is testing the 2010/2011 GP2 car not just having a test in a GP2 car...

[Saint Devote]

Watching a couple of minutes on tv showing Schumi - I have to say it really was so very special.

Support him or not its great to have him back :-]

I think an appropriate helmet design should be an elegant silver and white with the Merc star as shown on his red helmet today.

A German flag - hopefully tastefully placed and painted - will also probably adorn his helmet.

[F1boat]

I'd like the red helmet to stay, but I guess that this is impossible...

[Mark]

Q:why he did not test in a 2007 honda ?


Because I doubt Mercedes would be happy with one of their drivers driving a 'Honda' car!

[Julle69]

Here is video from the test. Video includes also Schumacher's interview....

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2010/01/1032776

[Dave B]

I see that his F1 engineers have appeared at the test. Not stupid, are they, this lot? :D

http://twitpic.com/xxivp

[truefan72]

as I heard he is testing the 2010/2011 GP2 car not just having a test in a GP2 car...

if those are the 2010/2011 GP2 cars then they look fantastic, and very similar to the 2007/2008 F1 cars. How does the lower series have better looking cars than F1?

[ioan]

How do you all like the "Red Ferrari helmet" with the Mercedes logo on it? :p

Nice compromise!

[ioan]

Perhaps he'd rather not start the 2010 season suffering from depression

:laugh: Good one! :up:

[CNR]

not sure how many of you have seen this but what a smart move when there is no testing after the season starts

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2010-01-13-1275236005_x.htm



Schumacher, a seven-time world champion, is helping F1 feeder series GP2 with the development of the 2011 car. The 41-year-old German is using the development sessions to prepare for his return to F1 after three years of retirement.


development of the 2011 ?

[Mia 01]

The word is that Ferraris new car is a dog.

MS will not have to fight Fernando and Felipe= Less training?

Or will LH still be a contender?

[scaliwag]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
Bless you all scaliwag.

The word is that Ferraris new car is a dog.

Since the car hasn't turned a wheel, nobody knows what it is like.

[SGWilko]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
Bless you all scaliwag.

Well, it eased the monotony of a Thursday afternoon I suppose....

[SGWilko]

Since the car hasn't turned a wheel, nobody knows what it is like.

Well, I hope the design, aero, engineering etc team have a rough idea, otherwise what's the point?

In comparison to the other teams' cars no one knows of course, but that is a different receptacle for boiling water with aquatic life in it altogether....

[Mark]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
Bless you all scaliwag.

:laugh: Nice :D I think the FIA are just about smart enough to spot the difference between a GP2 car and an F1 car :laugh:

[SGWilko]

:laugh: Nice :D I think the FIA are just about smart enough to spot the difference between a GP2 car and an F1 car :laugh:

Not sure Charlie Whitebait would manage that unaided.....

[edv]

Well, MS getting within 1 sec of the track record in moist conditions (Autosport) does make you wonder what kind of car that actually is.

[F1boat]

Well, MS getting within 1 sec of the track record in moist conditions (Autosport) does make you wonder what kind of car that actually is.

I think that they meant the GP2 record.

Well, I hope the design, aero, engineering etc team have a rough idea, otherwise what's the point?

In comparison to the other teams' cars no one knows of course, but that is a different receptacle for boiling water with aquatic life in it altogether....

The design, aero, engineering etc team can have a better than rough idea, but until the car hits the track nobody knows if the design, aero and engineering departments have got it right.

Windtunnels are not always accurate. Nor are aero specialists.

I should know.

In that case it looks like you both agree then... :)

I fully expect that Renault's design, aero and engineering teams thought they'd got the R29 right.........but they hadn't.

Same with BMW-Sauber and the F1.09.

But since neither Renault or BMW-Sauber got it right, why did they bother building cars they knew were wrong?

What was the point of building cars that could have been better?

That seems to be what SGWilko is saying.

And my response is that they didn't know they could have been better, otherwise they would have been.

[ioan]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
Bless you all scaliwag.

Please do us all a favor and return under your stone.

[ioan]

Not sure Charlie Whitebait would manage that unaided.....

I have to agree with you on this one.

[Robinho]

Well, MS getting within 1 sec of the track record in moist conditions (Autosport) does make you wonder what kind of car that actually is.

the record set by Kobayashi in 2008 in a GP2 car. which actually isn't really that good, i'd expect MS to be quicker, maybe he has lost it ;)

[F1boat]

the record set by Kobayashi in 2008 in a GP2 car. which actually isn't really that good, i'd expect MS to be quicker, maybe he has lost it ;)

The track was wet.

[scaliwag]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further back to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
scaliwag.

[Robinho]

yep we saw that when you posted it 6 hrs ago

[ioan]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive...

Nah, impossible as it looks like you've got all the blindness and naivety in the world, all for yourself.

[scaliwag]

yep we saw that when you posted it 6 hrs ago

Yep, right on the button Robinho, I thought I'd repeat it for those that are naive enough to believe, that the car Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car.
scaliwag.

[F1boat]

Nah, impossible as it looks like you've got all the blindness and naivety in the world, all for yourself.

Checkmate :)

[Mark]

Yep, right on the button Robinho, I thought I'd repeat it for those that are naive enough to believe, that the car Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car.
scaliwag.

Well if it is an F1 car, he's going properly slowly in it!

[SGWilko]

I think you might be winding everyone up..

...said the Dept of the Bleeding Obvious!!! ;)

[Mark]

It's actually not an F1 car, or a GP2 car. I can exclusively reveal that Schumacher actually did the laps in my Diesel Ford Fiesta :D

[Daniel]

It's actually not an F1 car, or a GP2 car. I can exclusively reveal that Schumacher actually did the laps in my Diesel Ford Fiesta :D
Mark, jokes are meant to be funny :p

[SGWilko]

Mark, jokes are meant to be funny :p

Not another one who doesn't get the Brit humour......

[SGWilko]

My concern with Schuey is that he was complaining of a sore neck after 53 laps of Jerez. I just hope he doesn't over do it in testing and deny us of a thrilling opening race in Bahrain by not being able to make it.. :)

A sore neck, in a GP2 car. Geez, he IS out of practice.

[Garry Walker]

My concern with Schuey is that he was complaining of a sore neck after 53 laps of Jerez. I just hope he doesn't over do it in testing and deny us of a thrilling opening race in Bahrain by not being able to make it.. :)

Even the young drivers when they havent tested for ages will suffer from a sore neck after the first day in car. Completely normal.

[Daniel]

Not another one who doesn't get the Brit humour......
I get British humour :p But that wasn't funny :)

[555-04Q2]

Ah, come on everybody how naive do you lot have to be, are you blind as well as naive, look at the history of the the Todt Brawn Schumacher time at Ferrari, and then look a little further back to the Brawn Schumacher time at Benetton, the truth is Brawn+Schumacher= cheating, and as I told you lot when todts Ferrari team came to an end "don't be surprised to see Brawn and Schumacher return in another guise", its no accident that the other corner of that tripartite pack is now in control of the FIA, if any of you really believe that the GP2 Schumacher is testing is really a GP2 car you are indeed naive,and for those of you that doubt my words ask yourself this if Button had stayed with the Brawn/Mercedes team would he have been testing a GP2 car?
scaliwag.

Who was daft enough to let you out of the nut house :?:

[Mark]

I get British humour :p But that wasn't funny :)

Alright, rub it in why don't ya!

[scaliwag]

First, before I get onto my main point, I didn't insult anybody on this thread, I simply said you are naive, OK guys and galls, the car is described as the junior varsity car, who built it, and where, what engine does it have, what transmission does it have, if it is a GP2 car why would it be built in 2009, but is not going to be used until 2011, come on guys and galls get up to speed, who goes to the expense of building a GP2 car for use two years hence.
Just cast your minds back to the gruesome threesome at Ferrari, whilst they were in charge at Ferrari they refused to join the other teams in a testing ban, Schumacher tested around the clock and around the year, so Brawn+Schumacher team up at Brawn/Mercedes and they get to test well in advance of the other teams, that car maybe not the finished Mercedes F1 car but I'd bet its pretty close to it.

scaliwag.

[ioan]

that car maybe not the finished Mercedes F1 car but I'd bet its pretty close to it.

scaliwag.

Did you take a look at those front and rear wings?!
And what about the exhaust chimney? And the flip ups in front of the rear wheels? Or the small wing on the airbox?
Does that look like a 2010 aero package to you?
Not that I would expect you to know anything about the F1 technical regulations. :\

[F1boat]

Did you take a look at those front and rear wings?!
And what about the exhaust chimney? And the flip ups in front of the rear wheels? Or the small wing on the airbox?
Does that look like a 2010 aero package to you?
Not that I would expect you to know anything about the F1 technical regulations. :\

It is amazing how much fear and paranoia is caused by an old man, who comes to have some fun.

[ioan]

It is amazing how much fear and paranoia is caused by an old man, who comes to have some fun.

I'm afraid that the fear is there because of the paranoia and that his paranoia didn't start and it won't end with MS.

[Dzeidzei]

Since the car hasn't turned a wheel, nobody knows what it is like.

I think you seriously underestimate the modern simulators. They can very close to perfectly model a new design and get feedback of its behaviour in all tracks, in different corners, in different conditions. Its not the same than the real thing, but its certainly enough to tell the engineers if the design has fundamental flaws.

But then again, Id be very suprised if Ferrari messed up to cars in a row. Theyve been working on ther 2010 spec for months already.

[ioan]

I think you seriously underestimate the modern simulators. They can very close to perfectly model a new design and get feedback of its behaviour in all tracks, in different corners, in different conditions. Its not the same than the real thing, but its certainly enough to tell the engineers if the design has fundamental flaws.

It's funny how McLaren still came up with a fundamentally flawed car even though they have the best simulator in F1.
Do you think they can't use their own simulator?!

Simulators are exactly that, simulators, machines that simulate what you wish with the data you feed them.
As long as the engineers start from a flawed design and thus use the same wrong data for the simulator as they used for their design they will simulate that their crappy car is a world beater.

As long as the engineers start from a flawed design and thus use the same wrong data for the simulator as they used for their design they will simulate that their crappy car is a world beater.

Go to the first tests of 2009 and see the MP4/24, F1.09, F60 and R29 for further details.

First, before I get onto my main point, I didn't insult anybody on this thread, I simply said you are naive, OK guys and galls, the car is described as the junior varsity car, who built it, and where, what engine does it have, what transmission does it have, if it is a GP2 car why would it be built in 2009, but is not going to be used until 2011, come on guys and galls get up to speed, who goes to the expense of building a GP2 car for use two years hence.
Just cast your minds back to the gruesome threesome at Ferrari, whilst they were in charge at Ferrari they refused to join the other teams in a testing ban, Schumacher tested around the clock and around the year, so Brawn+Schumacher team up at Brawn/Mercedes and they get to test well in advance of the other teams, that car maybe not the finished Mercedes F1 car but I'd bet its pretty close to it.

scaliwag.

Take me to your dealer.

[Mia 01]

MS admit that he have neck pain after the tests.

Perhaps he needs moore runing before the ordinary tests begin.

MS has signed for three years!

[555-04Q2]

First, before I get onto my main point, I didn't insult anybody on this thread, I simply said you are naive, OK guys and galls, the car is described as the junior varsity car, who built it, and where, what engine does it have, what transmission does it have, if it is a GP2 car why would it be built in 2009, but is not going to be used until 2011, come on guys and galls get up to speed, who goes to the expense of building a GP2 car for use two years hence.
Just cast your minds back to the gruesome threesome at Ferrari, whilst they were in charge at Ferrari they refused to join the other teams in a testing ban, Schumacher tested around the clock and around the year, so Brawn+Schumacher team up at Brawn/Mercedes and they get to test well in advance of the other teams, that car maybe not the finished Mercedes F1 car but I'd bet its pretty close to it.

scaliwag.

You're still at it :?:

[F1boat]

Take me to your dealer.

Ahahahahhahah!

[SGWilko]

It's funny how McLaren still came up with a fundamentally flawed car even though they have the best simulator in F1.
Do you think they can't use their own simulator?!

Simulators are exactly that, simulators, machines that simulate what you wish with the data you feed them.
As long as the engineers start from a flawed design and thus use the same wrong data for the simulator as they used for their design they will simulate that their crappy car is a world beater.

I don't see it as funny, merely a consequence of pitting resources at the 2008 campaign to the detriment of the 2009 design dept.

Common totty if you ask me.

[Garry Walker]

First, before I get onto my main point, I didn't insult anybody on this thread, I simply said you are naive, OK guys and galls, the car is described as the junior varsity car, who built it, and where, what engine does it have, what transmission does it have, if it is a GP2 car why would it be built in 2009, but is not going to be used until 2011, come on guys and galls get up to speed, who goes to the expense of building a GP2 car for use two years hence.
Just cast your minds back to the gruesome threesome at Ferrari, whilst they were in charge at Ferrari they refused to join the other teams in a testing ban, Schumacher tested around the clock and around the year, so Brawn+Schumacher team up at Brawn/Mercedes and they get to test well in advance of the other teams, that car maybe not the finished Mercedes F1 car but I'd bet its pretty close to it.

scaliwag.
You write something like that and you call us naive. Wow.

[ioan]

I don't see it as funny, merely a consequence of pitting resources at the 2008 campaign to the detriment of the 2009 design dept.

Common totty if you ask me.

I was merely pointing out that a simulator means nothing in the early design stages, it usefulness only in development once the car hits the track and the testing feedback can be fed into the simulator.