Rally Bulgaria

[Red bull]

PG what happend to him?

[Rallyper]

PG what happend to him?

Well, I think he´s still learning.
New car, tarmac. So...

[Hartusvuori]

Kimi's out.

[Rallyper]

Now we´ve to hold our breath.... :(

[jonkka]

I won't cry for Louie

[blissard]

Anyone else that thinks Petter is doing extremely well on his first rally with new codriver? Only second on tarmac in the C4 also, if i recall correctly.

Yeah! He's doing great, though he seems to lose time towards the end of stages. 2.4 secs, then suddenly 7.5 secs.

[JRodrigues]

Kimi's out.

I think some greek guy just put some oil on the middle of the road :dozey: :mad:

[johunn]

Does anyone know anything about Kimi?

[Xsara Fan]

Does anyone know anything about Kimi?

RallyRadio said: "Crew is fine, crew is OK".

[jonkka]

Does anyone know anything about Kimi?

He likes to party - hard.

[blissard]

See the big time losses between split 5 and 6 for those after Kimi!

[johunn]

He likes to party - hard.

Good call :D

[Bobcat]

]It's for sure not only in the engine but I believe that Citroën's advantage in more powerful engine is the bigger the higher is the altitude. Also 5-speed gearbox of Focus may not be ideal when engine doesn't run in optimal conditions.

Of course it's just one piece of puzzle. When You watch these cars on tarmac You can clearly see that Citroën is more nimble while Focus looks quite slow in cornering. It may be down to Focus gravel nature. I heard more people saying that it's easier to make winning tarmac car good on gravel than vice versa.

There are more questionable features like spare wheel behind rear axis which for sure has negative effect on car's polar moment of inertia which is the most important thing when it comes to cornering agility.

I think that it's a lot of small issues which altogether makes the difference.
Henning said... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85109

Henning Solberg revels in S2000 Ford
By David Evans, Friday, July 9th 2010, 12:45 GMT

Stobart driver Henning Solberg says his early pace on Rally Bulgaria has vindicated his decision to switch to the Ford Fiesta S2000 for the asphalt rounds of the World Rally Championship.
Solberg leads Group N on his debut in the Fiesta, despite only testing for 30 miles ahead of the Borovets-based event. The Norwegian driver ended the opening loop 11th overall and hoping to make the top 10 through the afternoon.
"People say: 'Henning, he can't drive on tarmac,' but I know that's not true," he said.
"Let me tell you, there are not many people around here who could beat me in a go-kart. I know I can drive on asphalt, but I just couldn't do it in that car [the Focus RS WRC]. I don't know why, but I just didn't understand the car; it was something to do with the camber. I don't know, it just didn't work. But this one certainly does. I love it. It's just like driving a go-kart. It's a fantastic tarmac car."
Solberg added that his early running in the Fiesta chassis bodes well for next season.
"I want to be back in the Fiesta World Rally Car next year," he said. "From what I've seen so of this car so far, it will be a great year."

[Xsara Fan]

I`ve just found a 'iRally' - what a great programme for iPhone! :)

[Hartusvuori]

Mikko 4th, JML 5th after first day. Kimi huge accident. Driver and Co-Driver ok, no serious injuries. Car 6M off the road on it's roof.

http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn

[dimviii]

i can t understand why Henning is so happy about his speed in asphalt when is some seconds faster from c2s1600s :confused:

in a rally with usual swrc competitors will be more than a minute behind faster swrc crew(in asphalt)

[gregwrc]

I think some greek guy just put some oil on the middle of the road :dozey: :mad:

Do you have any problems with Greeks.....???

[Francis44]

Do you have any problems with Greeks.....???

He is refering to N.O.T, jeez please have some sense of humour :bulb: .

[dimviii]

He is refering to N.O.T, jeez please have some sense of humour :bulb: .
hahahahahahhahahaha :D

NOT even he isn t at forum, can make a mess :D

[kolvas]

PG is faster than Slowson and PG is not trying so hard, he´s driving with good safety margin

[ProRally]

PG is faster than Slowson and PG is not trying so hard, he´s driving with good safety margin

Most are quicker then Slowson even on 85% :D :D :D

[gregwrc]

He is refering to N.O.T, jeez please have some sense of humour :bulb: .

I am new in the Forum and I don't know you well .... :)

[Francis44]

I am new in the Forum and I don't know you well .... :)

Then I would say to back off with so agressive comments, if you dont know what they are talking about :up: .

[Rallyper]

Do you have any problems with Greeks.....???

Well, not greeks. It could just be a coincident that both are twisting things around all the time, trying to be experts, who they certainly not are.

Quotes are anyway fifteen year-old boy quotes. :p :

[gregwrc]

Then I would say to back off with so agressive comments, if you dont know what they are talking about :up: .

ok ... sorry !!!


Well, not greeks. It could just be a coincident that both are twisting things around all the time, trying to be experts, who they certainly not are.

Quotes are anyway fifteen year-old boy quotes. :p :

you should be more polite . you don't know me. I consider the matter closed.Let's say about rally :)

[Francis44]

ok ... sorry !!!


Cheers man welcome to the forum!!!!

[Rallyper]

ok ... sorry !!!



you should be more polite . you don't know me. I consider the matter closed.Let's say about rally :)

I am polite. OK man, welcome to the forum! :)

[Bobcat]

Malcolm said... http://www.rallybuzz.com/ford-will-struggle-bulgaria/

"It's not very good," he acknowledged. "On the first stage we felt the drivers were finding their feet, it wasn't too bad, but on the really fast section on the second stage [between 1km and 10km] we lost a lot of time - which would probably point to power. We've been looking [at data] and when there's a technical section then the pace of both Mikko and Jari is much better. Okay, not as fast as Loeb, but certainly on the likes of Petter and Ogier. Ok, are there some problems with a speed increasing gearbox and their real top speed?

[N.O.T]

back from day 1...

very very nice rally...i was amazed that the stages were dry...it rained so hard yesterday and the atmosphere was so humid that i thought impossible the stages to be dry...well i guess i won't quit my day job to become a meteorologist.

Loeb was indeed a level up from the competition and it showed...Kimi was beyond his limits...on the stage he crashed i was a few Kms from where it had his off and he had a very close moment crashing infront of me. Sordo also very clean lines...Ogier looked fast but was clumsier than both, same goes for Solberg.

the fords are pieces of junk....their drivers lack a spine and just cruising through the stages to avoid an off humiliating themselves, Mathew Wilson is just laughable...a moving sick joke spending daddys money, he is a disgrace to rallying and to the human species. Very dissapointed about PG as well...he showed nothing.

[Juha_Koo]

the fords are pieces of junk....their drivers lack a spine and just cruising through the stages to avoid an off humiliating themselves, Mathew Wilson is just laughable...a moving sick joke spending daddys money, he is a disgrace to rallying and to the human species. Very dissapointed about PG as well...he showed nothing.

:D Thanks man, a real in-depth analysis of Ford's current situation on tarmac.

[Aquagen]

Fresh photos from Day 1 of Rally Bulgaria 2010 added:

http://reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/92/

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/73c3eaa529f0020ef22ce5313bbcd94c.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/abed2d173d7825a73fa9eddf46722ed8.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/7e4f712aa43b8eccdc35c5d63428f962.jpg

[bluuford]

i can t understand why Henning is so happy about his speed in asphalt when is some seconds faster from c2s1600s :confused:

in a rally with usual swrc competitors will be more than a minute behind faster swrc crew(in asphalt)

You know, the C2S1600 on tarmac in the hands ofˇArzeno and Neuville is very, very fast car. And if Henning is faster than him on Tarmac with new S2000 car without much testing, then he should be happy :-)

[pino makinen]

PG is faster than Slowson and PG is not trying so hard, he´s driving with good safety margin

When I saw this morning times from stage 4 it really made me mad that Wilson is still 2 sec/km slower than the head of the race. How is it possible he has a seat in the championship? (yeah, daddy, I know!!) Don't brittish have a thousand better drivers? I'd like to see, for example, Meeke back in a WRC car. It annoys me so much that there are not so many WRC seats and one of them is wasted in such a stupid way.

[OldF]

The Ford must be a really crap car on tarmac if a guy (Kimi) with only few rally experiences can beat them on his first WRC tarmac event. Tarmac is closer to Kimi’s F1 experience but still this is a completely different world than F1.

[garais22]

Raikkonen crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIzBbCsUono

[Miika]

Kimi´s tree-hugging moment part 1 from Bulgaria - part 2 tomorrow perhaps?

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[rbatista82]

Photos from Rally Bulgaria
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=170

[Barreis]

Fresh photos from Day 1 of Rally Bulgaria 2010 added:

http://reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/92/

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/73c3eaa529f0020ef22ce5313bbcd94c.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/abed2d173d7825a73fa9eddf46722ed8.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/7e4f712aa43b8eccdc35c5d63428f962.jpg
I like the photos..

[ste898]

What a joke Ford and its 2 drivers are now.......

They are just wasting time and money and should pack up and come home.

[Allyc85]

They are just wasting time and money and should pack up and come home.

So should every team or driver who isnt winning do that? :rolleyes: :confused:

[Langdale Forest]

What a joke Ford and its 2 drivers are now.......

They are just wasting time and money and should pack up and come home.

Prehaps I will agree with what you said about Hirvonen during the New Zealand rally thread...

[ste898]

So should every team or driver who isnt winning do that? :rolleyes: :confused:

There is only 2 teams and the other is Citroen and they are winning

Basically Ford has no chance on tarmac with the useless drivers they have

[danon]

According to the source of the service area Solberg can be investigated by the FIA for illegal game by warming up the tires. He has used tire warmers for each wheel before the start, which received the benefit of warm tires compared to other participants.

[Barreis]

Who's game is that? Wilson's?

[Hartusvuori]

Good morning! It seems to be challenging conditions - for Fords. Suddenly 20s down on second split. Such a good morning!

[jonkka]

Oh my - not that I am surprised about it, just sad...

[Hartusvuori]

Oh my - not that I am surprised about it, just sad...

This is getting beyond absurd.. Hirvonen's perhaps pulling out, missing splits. See you at Urria!

EDIT: Just a missing, shameful split.

[Hartusvuori]

I want to hear the theories. Howcome all of a sudden on the second split all of the Fords have lost some 15-20s compared to C4s? If saying Wilson's the fastest Ford there, you can understand the frustration.

[jonkka]

If saying Wilson's the fastest Ford there, you can understand the frustration.

That's the interesting part - my 2c is that they are on wrong tyres - ones that either are completely wrong or ones that are better on next one.

[Hartusvuori]

That's the interesting part - my 2c is that they are on wrong tyres - ones that either are completely wrong or ones that are better on next one.

Yes, they're on hard tyres and it's what - submarine conditions? Hirvonen said a mistake from the weather crew.

[jonkka]

Well, it's Citroen 1-2-3-4 again

[Xsara Fan]

Who is a gravel crew at Ford? May be Conrad Rautenbach?

[Hartusvuori]

Who is a gravel crew at Ford? May be Conrad Rautenbach?

It's not Marcus Grönholm, because he's not a meteorologist.

[jonkka]

Let's see if Loeb repeats 2005 Corsica...

[Xsara Fan]

Did Turan has gravel crew? If not - good game for him. He is clever than both factory Ford drivers.

[Hartusvuori]

Let's see if Loeb repeats 2005 Corsica...

No he didn't.

[jonkka]

Yeah...

[dimviii]

total disaster for Ford..

[tolis]

total disaster for Ford..
Why do you say that? They are in front of the JWRC guys!!! :D Good morning Dimitris!!!

[ProRally]

What happened to Arenzo ?

[WRC1]

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. (st. č. 5) "We took soft tyres, looks good choice. Sometimes quite difficult, dirty places."

good choice......???!!!

this stupid little wilson kid is on the right tires and is slower than some local with evo9 grN....it is a shame, i have no more words

BTW: BRAVO Frici Turan! this is a real rallye driver!

[dimviii]

Why do you say that? They are in front of the JWRC guys!!! :D Good morning Dimitris!!!
Good morning patrida!

[WRC1]

next stage finish - next painfull comment

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. (st. č. 5) "Still couple of corners under trees damp. Some mistakes, no dramas."

no,no, no big dramas, it is absolutly no drama to be the slowest driver in a world rally car in every event, again and again and again....

daddy wilson! : wake up!

[J.Lindstroem]

SS 7 is live now!

I hope that PG can raise his speed a little bit, i think we saw womething of that on SS6 when he was faster than Loeb...

[jonkka]

No splits though?

[tolis]

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. (st. č. 5) "We took soft tyres, looks good choice. Sometimes quite difficult, dirty places."

good choice......???!!!

this stupid little wilson kid is on the right tires and is slower than some local with evo9 grN....it is a shame, i have no more words

BTW: BRAVO Frici Turan! this is a real rallye driver!
Indeed, Petar Gyoshev (Evo 9) was faster than Matthew in SS5!!! :D

[Hartusvuori]

No splits though?

If you mean SS7, it's delayed. Spectator issue maybe.

[jonkka]

J. Lindstroem claimed SS7 to be live - that's why I wondered...

[Hartusvuori]

J. Lindstroem claimed SS7 to be live - that's why I wondered...

"Start of SS7 delayed as exit roads blocked by spec cars", says Stobart tweet.
"Stage start delayed due to spectator chaos - SS7 Still delayed. Spectator cars blocking stage start.", says Mr. Quinn's tweet.

[jonkka]

first time I ever see Twitter to be used for something sensible... live and learn, live and learn...

[ste898]

Another dire day for Ford........

Quinn should take over the driver choice at Ford and maybe then we might see some decent results.

Andersson is going very wel and showing Wilson how to drive the Stobart car but of course he won get a full time drive because its not how good you are at M-Sport it how much money you bring ...what a joke!!!!

[Hartusvuori]

first time I ever see Twitter to be used for something sensible... live and learn, live and learn...

I signed in just earlier this week and for just this kind of purposes. If you guys can tip on some good WRC/IRC twitter feeds with live info, please share.

[J.Lindstroem]

J. Lindstroem claimed SS7 to be live - that's why I wondered...

Yeah i posted exactly at 10.54 when the stage were supposed to be running... :P

[Hartusvuori]

SS7 cancelled most likely.

[tolis]

So, is it cancelled?

[Hartusvuori]

So, is it cancelled?

At least WRR crew heads to the next stage, but there isn't confirmation just yet.

[Hartusvuori]

And now there splits for Loeb and it says running! But are they timing road speed, Solberg's down 10s on first split...

EDIT: Yes, they are giving splits for cancelled stage. Loeb's fastest even on road speed :-)

[6789]

And now there splits for Loeb and it says running!
They would be running at road speed

Another dire day for Ford........

Quinn should take over the driver choice at Ford and maybe then we might see some decent results.

Andersson is going very wel and showing Wilson how to drive the Stobart car but of course he won get a full time drive because its not how good you are at M-Sport it how much money you bring ...what a joke!!!!

Good idea, take drivers who have a mind of their own and have balls to stand up to their boss.
Also send more people on foot in the stages to give ACCURATE weather reports. Apparently Citroën has an army in there, no wonder they never get tire choices wrong. FORD probably has....2 or 3 guys in there (its cheaper, lets not spend too much).

[J.Lindstroem]

Sorry about that post. Completly wrong.

Who is a gravel crew at Ford? May be Conrad Rautenbach?

Gravel crew passes many hours before the rallycars, so its not accurate help for weather.

[Barreis]

Turan faster then Ford boys.. YYYYEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pettersolberg29]

Any ideas when the stage will start? Planned for 13:22 but I assume it's delayed.

[saxter]

with a 27 minutes delay as the rest of the stages

[J.Lindstroem]

I am expecting a big improvement from PG this afternoon.

[julkki]

Another dire day for Ford........

Quinn should take over the driver choice at Ford and maybe then we might see some decent results.

Andersson is going very wel and showing Wilson how to drive the Stobart car but of course he won get a full time drive because its not how good you are at M-Sport it how much money you bring ...what a joke!!!!

Is it just too hard for you to say that the problem is mostly the car, not the drivers? You are completely blind or stupid if you can't see the diffenrence between c4 and focus. You can see the difference from the tv, example in the cornering!

Edit. Wilson jr. is a problem, but not PG, Hirvonen and Latvala

[saxter]

I am expecting a big improvement from PG this afternoon.

i believe the self confidence of the all ford team is not in a very high level. i dont expect something and this is the bad-sad thing

[Wasted Talent]

Is it just too hard for you to say that the problem is mostly the car, not the drivers? You are completely blind or stupid if you can't see the diffenrence between c4 and focus. You can see the difference from the tv, example in the cornering!

Edit. Wilson jr. is a problem, but not PG, Hirvonen and Latvala

Absolutely.

Somehow Citroen have discovered something in the car that means it is simply faster than a Focus. Sad but true.

If Wilson wasn't there it would just mean one less car - no-one else will get the drive. End of.

WT

[6789]

They should be starting SS8 now.. I think

[J.Lindstroem]

I think that PG is the only driver that actually can go to the stages this afternoon with confidence. Mikko, Jari-Matti and Matthew all have no excuses for their lack of pace, they are just bad! PG on the other hand knows that he is learning the car and the surface, with this is mind he has actually gone quite well. He has started of calm and steady but even though, he is beating Wilson on each stage. The other Ford drivers has been bad and they have no reason at all to take it steady, PG has that. I I dont expecty anything more from this other drivers, as a matter of fact i think we have to wait till 2011 to see competetive Fords again. But for PG, he has nothing to be ashamed of.

[J.Lindstroem]

Petter quicker than Loeb in the first split. Im really impressed with Petteras pace this weekend!

[ste898]

Is it just too hard for you to say that the problem is mostly the car, not the drivers? You are completely blind or stupid if you can't see the diffenrence between c4 and focus. You can see the difference from the tv, example in the cornering!

Edit. Wilson jr. is a problem, but not PG, Hirvonen and Latvala

Waken up and get in the real world yes the car is crap but also the driver are just as crap FACT!!!

PG is a fantastic driver and he is showing exactly why he should be in the Ford team instead of the useless Hirvonen.

JML is a good driver yes.

Oh and DO NOT call me stupid..........

[jonkka]

Oh and DO NOT call me stupid..........

Hmm, now that might be a nice hobby...

[saxter]

... he is beating Wilson on each stage.

every one can beat Wilson jr...even Turan with his old 307 wrc


... But for PG, he has nothing to be ashamed of.

thats true..and his has nothing to loose but only to win. But as we say here in greece "along with the dry one, burn and the fresh one" .In greek is hearing better :)

[saxter]

P.Solberg just finished his flight..10'' faster than Seb

[pettersolberg29]

I like the drama of the tyre situation again - we haven't had this for years as far as I remember. It means that previously unreachable gaps between drivers now can be reached - Petter for 2nd?

[Hartusvuori]

No power steering for Latvala.

[ste898]

No power steering for Latvala.


Yet another Ford excuse?

[Hartusvuori]

Yet another Ford excuse?

No. Power steering broken on SS8.

[Wasted Talent]

Waken up and get in the real world yes the car is crap but also the driver are just as crap FACT!!!

PG is a fantastic driver and he is showing exactly why he should be in the Ford team instead of the useless Hirvonen.

JML is a good driver yes.



Based on what??

PG was about as fast as Guy Wilks and Kris Meeke in JWRC, so they are all better than Hirvonen as well????

Thierry Neuville has had a few good stage times this year so he must be even faster...............

It is a little more complicated than you think

WT

[Pinto]

Yet another Ford excuse?

what are you on about stuff like that can happen on any rally car

[OldF]

There is only 2 teams and the other is Citroen and they are winning

Yes, there are only two factory teams and only one of them has a victory car, Citroen.


Basically Ford has no chance on tarmac with the useless drivers they have

What a childish comment. Do you really think that the Ford’s crap performance is about the drivers? But anyway this a disaster for Ford, totally humiliated!

[Barreis]

Satisfaction.. But Latvala could win like in New Zealand.. xd

[Francis44]

Yes, there are only two factory teams and only one of them has a victory car, Citroen.



What a childish comment. Do you really think that the Ford’s crap performance is about the drivers? But anyway this a disaster for Ford, totally humiliated!

Well it's obvious the no problem is not all about the drivers.

It's time that you Finns start telling your kids to drive on tarmac to you know :p :

Sideways isn't always the way.

[OldF]

Satisfaction.. But Latvala could win like in New Zealand.. xd

No way. Do you mean four Citroens would retire?

[blissard]

So.. SS9 starts xx:42?

[Barreis]

No way. Do you mean four Citroens would retire?

Just like in New Zealand.. But I don't like Ford guys..

[OldF]

But I don't like Ford guys..

That’s your problem. ;)

[pettersolberg29]

So.. SS9 starts xx:42?

Seems not - delayed again?

[tolis]

Loeb has started the stage!

[dimviii]

Petter faster at 1st split

[dimviii]

Petter 9,6 sec behind Sordo now :)

[blissard]

Petter wins another stage, unless Ogier puts the pedal down.

[dimviii]

Kimi good second split at+1

edit even better 3rd split at +0,5!!

[OldF]

i believe the self confidence of the all ford team is not in a very high level. i dont expect something and this is the bad-sad thing

One problem we have here in Finland is, there are no suitable roads for tarmac rallies. This has been recognized for a long time, but what can you do.

But I’ve been reading is, if you can drive on tarmac it’s easier to learn driving on gravel than visa versa (little same as I remember Mirek wrote about the cars earlier in some thread. Cars developed for tarmac is easier to adapt for gravel than visa versa).

[dimviii]

Bulgarian retirements

Donchev differential
Iliev engine
Popov accident

[N.O.T]

back from the rally...

Only peshtera today but was the best of them all !! the only change from yesterday was that Latvala was pushing hard this time which was nice...Hirvonen needs a balls transplant. PG upped the pace from yesterday but nothing spectacular. Slow-son makes me sad...what a waste....

Raikonen was attacking hard but was losing time trying to persuade people he knows what he is doing...was good to watch but a bit of a laugh.

pictures in a few hours

[N.O.T]

But I’ve been reading is, if you can drive on tarmac it’s easier to learn driving on gravel than visa versa

name a tarmac guy who managed to become something more than a public joke on gravel....

[cut the b.s.]

name a tarmac guy who managed to become something more than a public joke on gravel....

Delecour, and maybe Mr Loeb?

[Hartusvuori]

name a tarmac guy who managed to become something more than a public joke on gravel....


Delecour, and maybe Mr Loeb?

Lately Sordo. We'll see that again on the next round.

[jonkka]

name a tarmac guy who managed to become something more than a public joke on gravel....

Sandro Munari, Miki Biasion, Didier Auriol, Henri Toivonen et al

[N.O.T]

sandro munari was 100 years ago...

Miki Biasion was useless on all surfaces

Didier is valid...

Toivonen a tarmac guy ?? didn't know that....

Delecour was nothing special on gravel...

Sordo we will have to wait....signs are not that good though.

ON the opposite hand...the guys who managed to be good on tarmac coming from gravel experience are more...Solberg, Makinen, Gronholm

So to conclude there are rally drivers and tarmac guys, gravel guys, sand guys, snow guys, forrest guys, jungle guys and of course the famous ditch guys...you can group the second categories in one... the sick dogs.

[Barreis]

Just like in New Zealand.. But I don't like Ford guys..

Not problem at all.. :)

[Barreis]

That’s your problem. ;)

Not problem at all.. :)

[N.O.T]

here is a picture of kimi to show you my true love...

[jonkka]

sandro munari was 100 years ago...

Sigh...


Toivonen a tarmac guy ?? didn't know that....

He started with karting and racing was equally plausible choice for him at one point during his career, he even contested some F3 races. But due to opposition from his dad, Henri chose rallying instead. Ironically, Pauli opposed racing career because there had been many fatal accidents.


ON the opposite hand...the guys who managed to be good on tarmac coming from gravel experience are more...Solberg, Makinen, Gronholm

That's only natural because those guys fail from countries where national championships have little if any tarmac at all. Only French, Spanish and Italian nationals have predominantly tarmac. But I suppose you see that irrelevant sick dog mentality as well. Cough cough...

[N.O.T]

i don't see it like that...you are either fast on rally roads or you are not....very rarely someone who started as a specialist ended up in a full time job for a manufacturer.

[N.O.T]

Another 5 seconds off sordos lead from solberg...latvala had some kind of problem in there.

[pettersolberg29]

JML has had no power steering since SS8

[Barreis]

It's bad. Turan now more then minute behind PG Anderson..

[br21]

what happened with Abbring?

[GigiGalliNo1]

So the day is over yes?

[cut the b.s.]

Delecour was nothing special on gravel...

.

Delecour had some excellent drives on gravel, he may have been better overall on tar but he was definitely a good all round driver, better than some champions eg Biasion

Based on what??

PG was about as fast as Guy Wilks and Kris Meeke in JWRC, so they are all better than Hirvonen as well????

Thierry Neuville has had a few good stage times this year so he must be even faster...............

It is a little more complicated than you think

WT


Guys, remember that the 2 Ford Finns are driving top notch WRC cars since 2003.... that means this is their 8th season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Their experience at top level is HUGE. Their knowledge on driving, set ups, etc. is enormous.

Hirvonen is a good driver, yes, after years and years he has good speed but especially he is RELIABLE. That is his main quality.

Latvala on the other hand is not very reliable, even after sooooo much time and experience. Sometimes he is superfast, but a bit of a kamikaze.

Image wise and marketting wise they are both pretty dull and without charisma, although I would say Latvala is a bit more interesting than Hirvonen.

Delecour had some excellent drives on gravel, he may have been better overall on tar but he was definitely a good all round driver, better than some champions eg Biasion

100% right

[Juha_Koo]

According to Finnish MTV3 Timo Jouhki was rather angry to Mikko and JM for taking hard tyres in the morning. I guess few "perkele"'s were heard. :)

According to Finnish MTV3 Timo Jouhki was rather angry to Mikko and JM for taking hard tyres in the morning. I guess few "perkele"'s were heard. :)

Add another couple "vittu saatana" as well I think.......

[N.O.T]

According to Finnish MTV3 Timo Jouhki was rather angry to Mikko and JM for taking hard tyres in the morning. I guess few "perkele"'s were heard. :)

well i doubt tyres are the factor of the situation as it is....

[Barreis]

He has wrong guys..

[RobertS]

Sebastien Ogier Incar WRC Rally Bulgaria 2010 SS2 Citroen C4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR8sj1iLEVc

" Multiple incar+onboard views of the future World Rally Champion Sebastien Ogier " :eek:

[ShiftingGears]

Roads looking pretty fantastic. Nice.

[Juha_Koo]

Add another couple "vittu saatana" as well I think.......

:D


well i doubt tyres are the factor of the situation as it is....

So the hard tyres had no effect in the morning when Ford boys lost over a minute for the guys with soft tyres? Oh come on.


My personal analysis why the Focus is so incredibly slow on tarmac is that they use too soft setups. For me, Focus has always been a very, very soft car. Something in the car is too soft on tarmac and that results to understeering and the driver can't push at all because it immediatly starts to understeer. Other factors in Bulgaria are the altitude and, in my opinion, a totally different type of stages what I (and the Ford boys, as said by JM) expected - Czech style narrow but fast, very bumpy and broken tarmac stages with lot's of dirt on the road. Instead, the stages are very wide and there are just some sections which are bumpy and dirty, but it's not something that characterizes the route in general. JM said in one interview that they conducted the tests on a way too bumpy and narrow roads, bit like Irish ones.

[Mirek]

Well, then it's quite stupid mistake if it's true because Rally Bulgaria is held on same stages for many years.

[RobertS]

Other factors in Bulgaria are the altitude and, in my opinion, a totally different type of stages what I (and the Ford boys, as said by JM) expected - Czech style narrow but fast, very bumpy and broken tarmac stages with lot's of dirt on the road. Instead, the stages are very wide and there are just some sections which are bumpy and dirty, but it's not something that characterizes the route in general. JM said in one interview that they conducted the tests on a way too bumpy and narrow roads, bit like Irish ones.The test-rallye for Mikko in Serbia was a perfect warmup.
Very same roads, same tarmac, even same weather with some rain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKqtwqxFRw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eat4IHwdH1M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSp0XwK5XY&feature=related

[tmx]

Finger cross for Petter 2nd place tomorrow.

I think the championship is lost for Ford unless Loeb want to crash a few times on purpose, they should concentrate fully for the car next year.


Image wise and marketting wise they are both pretty dull and without charisma, although I would say Latvala is a bit more interesting than Hirvonen. That's surprising because Loeb and Dani has never really excited me from any of their interviews or perfect driving style. Not since I watch Loeb from 2002 till now.

[MJW]

:D



So the hard tyres had no effect in the morning when Ford boys lost over a minute for the guys with soft tyres? Oh come on.


My personal analysis why the Focus is so incredibly slow on tarmac is that they use too soft setups. For me, Focus has always been a very, very soft car. Something in the car is too soft on tarmac and that results to understeering and the driver can't push at all because it immediatly starts to understeer. Other factors in Bulgaria are the altitude and, in my opinion, a totally different type of stages what I (and the Ford boys, as said by JM) expected - Czech style narrow but fast, very bumpy and broken tarmac stages with lot's of dirt on the road. Instead, the stages are very wide and there are just some sections which are bumpy and dirty, but it's not something that characterizes the route in general. JM said in one interview that they conducted the tests on a way too bumpy and narrow roads, bit like Irish ones.
Spot on analysis, Focus is too soft, also has a lazy massive torque engine, (will pull from 1,500 rpm - like a diesel) and a 5 speed box. Citroen is a stiffer more agile chassis and can change direction fast, engine is a sweet high revving turbo, and has a 6 speed box that enables it to remain in the power band through the rev range. All in all like chalk and cheese, totally different packages. JML said something similar after the last time Fords were outclassed on rally Mexico's high altitude stages, torque like a turbo diesel, 5 speed box and a soft chassis to get grip on slippery surfaces.

[Mirek]

The test-rallye for Mikko in Serbia was a perfect warmup.
Very same roads, same tarmac, even same weather with some rain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKqtwqxFRw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eat4IHwdH1M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSp0XwK5XY&feature=related

Tarmac is Serbia is made of different compound and according to my Bulgarian friend the stages are different to Rally Bulgaria.

[RobertS]

Roads looking pretty fantastic. Nice.Agree.
Stages are OK. Something 'new' for the drivers.

Kimi Räikkönen Onboard WRC Rally Bulgaria 2010 SS3 - Citroen C4 on tarmac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnY9pKvDkA

[tmx]

In fact if it's possible, Mikko or Jari should be delegated to drive the S2000 exclusively and have Henning and Per Gunnar drive the main team. Though I know that probably don't make marketing sense, it would give them a head start. Perhaps Malcolm might switch out Jari for PG one event in the end of the year when they already lost both championship before the last rally.

[RobertS]

]Tarmac is Serbia is made of different compound and according to my Bulgarian friend the stages are different to Rally Bulgaria.Maybe the word similar in English is better for my statement.
Of course there are no 2 stages with absolute equality.

All of my personal(fading ;) ) memories with YU-Rallye and Rallyes Zlatni & Hebros & Vida are from the period 1974-86...

[OldF]

As I’ve said earlier I think the better performance of Citroen is due to the engine specs. Citroen has the best performance on higher revs. If a Ford has it’s best performance at about 3000 rpm and Citroen about 4000 rpm, it means at a higher altitude a Citroen engine have more time to “inhale” more air.

[N.O.T]

the citroen cars indeed sounded and looked more powerful but also their drivers were taking more risks...cutting the corners deeper and always exiting the corner using every inch of the road.

[Langdale Forest]

A good drive from Petter with his new co-driver, but Matthew Wilson should really consider leaving the WRC, he is the biggest future useless nobody you could ever imagine, has all the gear and no idea, but the yes men have to say he's good just to keep his dad happy.

Frigyes Turan is a more worthy driver than him, and don't forget he is in a 5-6 year old Peugot 307 WRC, which was never a competitive (or reliable) rally car.

But for now, I can only laugh at Matthew 'Wilslow'.

[blissard]

Langdale.. I think most people have got the idea about Wilson by now. You can stop repeating it over and over again.

[animrallye]

So the day is over yes?
Yes Gigi ;)

[Barreis]

As I’ve said earlier I think the better performance of Citroen is due to the engine specs. Citroen has the best performance on higher revs. If a Ford has it’s best performance at about 3000 rpm and Citroen about 4000 rpm, it means at a higher altitude a Citroen engine have more time to “inhale” more air.

I remember that M.Gronholm was driving on higher revs then this guys..

[N.O.T]

Gronholm had a character and his name was big enough in the WRC to stand his ground and go as fast as possible and crash trying to match Loeb....

With those scared kids ford has now Wilson is the boss and they don't even ask how high when he tells them to jump....

As for Slow-son its getting really annoying that he still has the funds to rally.....

[Juha_Koo]

About that softness of Focus, interesting comments by Latvala to the Finnish media:

"Itse uskon, että vastaus löytyy jousituksessa. Meidän auto elää vähän liikaa asvaltilla ja jos jousitusta jäykentää, autosta katoaa herkkyys"

And my translation:

"I personally believe that the difference is in the suspension. Our car is a bit wobbly (meaning like restless, "lives too much") on tarmac and if we stiffen it, then we lose all of the sensitiveness.

[Salist]

Photos from 2nd day?

[N.O.T]

About that softness of Focus, interesting comments by Latvala to the Finnish media:

"Itse uskon, että vastaus löytyy jousituksessa. Meidän auto elää vähän liikaa asvaltilla ja jos jousitusta jäykentää, autosta katoaa herkkyys"

And my translation:

"I personally believe that the difference is in the suspension. Our car is a bit wobbly (meaning like restless, "lives too much") on tarmac and if we stiffen it, then we lose all of the sensitiveness.

nice to see the ford boys are using the subaru/solberg excuses from a few years back....they are not even original in them.

[tolis]

Photos from 2nd day?
http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/92/

[Juha_Koo]

nice to see the ford boys are using the subaru/solberg excuses from a few years back....they are not even original in them.

Blablabla... What can we expect from you other than this useless nonsense cr*p talk in every thread?! You're such a positive person. :s mokin:

You can clearly see even from a video footage that Focus is too soft for tarmac.

[N.O.T]

so what was the point of Hirvonen doing a whole rally 2 weeks before on tarmac if he couldn't spot the problem ??? and why Gronholm was competitive with the ford a few years back ?? Nobody expected the fords to challenge Loeb or Sordo but losing to a tourist on day one is at least funny.

[TMorel]

nice to see the ford boys are using the subaru/solberg excuses from a few years back....they are not even original in them.

and now Petter is battling with the big boys again, so does that mean you think the Ford duo are accurate in their assessment ?

[N.O.T]

and now Petter is battling with the big boys again, so does that mean you think the Ford duo are accurate in their assessment ?

no...because when subaru changed to ohlins they remained slow

Solberg changed the whole car and managed to "battle" (follow is more accurate) with the big boys...

and thats what i am saying...in order the ford kids to do something they need a combo of things in themselves and in the car, not just better supsension, stiffer cars and a garfield toon on the back window....

[Mirek]

Frigyes Turan is a more worthy driver than him, and don't forget he is in a 5-6 year old Peugot 307 WRC, which was never a competitive (or reliable) rally car.

I tend to disagree. The whale was competitive when it was used with right tyres as proved in 2006 by Manfred Stohl, Henning Solberg, Toni Gardemeister or Gigi Galli. In fact the car was later still developed although it was minor progress. Last homologation is from 1st April 2009 !

[cut the b.s.]

]I tend to disagree. The whale was competitive when it was used with right tyres as proved in 2006 by Manfred Stohl, Henning Solberg, Toni Gardemeister or Gigi Galli. In fact the car was later still developed although it was minor progress. Last homologation is from 1st April 2009 !

all true, 'whales' are still decent cars, its a shame we dont see more of them out on WRC events

[Barreis]

Still M-sport works all the time on their machines and what kind of homologation was here.. Minor I guess..

[danon]

Jari-Matti Latvala makes almost the entire afternoon without servo!

"We have the same problems as in Mexico with high altitude," explained Latvala the reasons of the drastic decline of Ford, showing blisters on both hands from excessive effort in the afternoon stages without servo . "Definitely we are mush slower than Citroen. The other reason is that our suspension is not as good as theirs. Yes, we made many improvements in this area recently, but the C4 WRC is much more stable. And third - perhaps there is something in the pilots. "

[danon]

Petter says he will not risk everything in his battle for second place on Rally Bulgaria fighting Sordo - I don't believe it!

[PJRevs]

New galery, dan 1 and 2

http://www.automagazin.rs/galerije.php?tg=wrc&kat=WRC%20Rally%20Bulgaria%20-%20Race

[jonkka]

3rd day has dawned...

[jonkka]

Ah, Petter and Dani are at it... :D

[ridder]

nice to see the ford boys are using the subaru/solberg excuses from a few years back....they are not even original in them.

Doesn't solberg and ford boys during last 4 years show how much is today down to car?

oh wait arguing with NOT is pointless.

*gives up*

[ste898]

Gronholm had a character and his name was big enough in the WRC to stand his ground and go as fast as possible and crash trying to match Loeb....

With those scared kids ford has now Wilson is the boss and they don't even ask how high when he tells them to jump....

As for Slow-son its getting really annoying that he still has the funds to rally.....


100% true....

Hirvonen will never be a gronholm he is at the very best a good back up driver.nothing more.

He really should learn too keep his mouth shut at the satrt of the season he was going to do this and everything and he's done nothing.

[jonkka]

SS12 delayed?

[René]

Stage on air

[bluuford]

ou.. what is going on here.. seven drivers excluded?

[jonkka]

Was there some post-stage FIA check (á la fireproof underwear)?

[jonkka]

Sordo strikes back...

[HaCo]

Petter catched up a lot on the last split. He should be able to do it.

[John V]

Was there some post-stage FIA check (á la fireproof underwear)?
Trying to get some info from Bulgaria, hope to receive something ...

[Hartusvuori]

ou.. what is going on here.. seven drivers excluded?

Perhaps something to do with this (http://www.rallybulgaria.com/fce/001/0030/files/StewardsCommunication11.pdf), a bulletin released at 4PM yesterday:

"The stewards wish to inform that a possible breach by several competitors of Art 59.1.2. of the 2010 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations has come to our knowledge.

An investigations is being currently being carried out.

Meanwhile, we wish to remind all competitors that they must comly with the FIA WRC 2010 Sporting Regulations and here, in particular, with prescriptions regarding Fuel Refuelling."

[jonkka]

"The stewards wish to inform that a possible breach by several competitors of Art 59.1.2. of the 2010 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations has come to our knowledge.

Oh...

For reference, 59.1.2 says:

"Non-priority drivers may use commercially available pump fuel dispensed from pumps at filling stations or from organiser distribution points, marked in the road book".

So there were people with fuel canisters at the end of the stage? Or did someone use aviation gas?

[Hartusvuori]

Oh...

For reference, 59.1.2 says:

"Non-priority drivers may use commercially available pump fuel dispensed from pumps at filling stations or from organiser distribution points, marked in the road book".

So there were people with fuel canisters at the end of the stage? Or did someone use aviation gas?

http://www.rallybulgaria.com/fce/001/0030/files/Stewarddec3.pdf

Here's decision of crew no 45 Gyoshev, who were seen on the correct refueling zone but refuelling not from the pumps but a canister brought in by a mechanic.

EDIT: You can read more documents on exclusions from here (http://www.rallybulgaria.com/cgi-bin/e-cms/vis/vis.pl?s=001&p=0051&n=&vis=). There's at least one more on Lemes (http://www.rallybulgaria.com/fce/001/0030/files/STEWARDS_DeC_2.pdf). That wasn't due to refuelling, but for preparing car between checking in to stage and the start of the stage.

[jonkka]

Interesting... perhaps a common practice in Balkans?

[br21]

yep, it was wrong refuelling - using their own fuel rather than organisers fuel of fuel from gas station. so non priority drivers were exluded because of that.
plus lemes (who is priority 3) was excluded because of servicing in park ferme (between time control and start of the stage).

]Well, then it's quite stupid mistake if it's true because Rally Bulgaria is held on same stages for many years.

I am afraid to use this word, but I can find no other than AMATEURS when I see the mistakes FORD makes. :confused:

the citroen cars indeed sounded and looked more powerful but also their drivers were taking more risks...cutting the corners deeper and always exiting the corner using every inch of the road.

Exactly my point. I believe this is because they have much more confidence in their car and are able to take it to the limit.
The Citroën is a driver friendly car.
The FORD is a very difficult car to drive at the limit.

[John V]

Interesting... perhaps a common practice in Balkans?
To be honest, having experience lot of crews have problems regarding refuelling when take part for first time on WRC round.
But on the other hand, about three years ago we had fight with Bulgarian chief technical scrutineer in Borovetz, he completely changed text of one article in bulgarian translation of FIA technical regulations! The FIA delegate had to resolve this. And local drivers had no fireproof underwear, homologated overalls, helmets. Same situation later on at Madeira ERC round.

[Barreis]

Turan faster then Latvala on first stage..

[dimviii]

Petter faster at 1st split.Lets see if he can do it.

[jonkka]

Well, Sordo is under pressure to score and for Citroen 3rd nets as many manu points as 2nd... Yet, on first loop Dani showed spirit to fight and if that's anything to go by, Petter won't make it... But we will see...

[ridder]

Still Solberg fighting with Sordo on tarmac?

Read that again.... up until this weekend everyone would have thought that's a joke and never gonna happen.

[jonkka]

Petter missing a split?

[jonkka]

Dani at the end

[jonkka]

Just one second...

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg charging all on the last stage. That rings a bell. He surely didn't sound like a man who'll give up. But he is in a hurry. Last stage is the shortest of the rally.

[Gard]

At least the Fiesta seams to perform well. Henning says it's much better than the Focus on tarmac. Add a Turbo engine and the Ford will be a top contender again.

[HaCo]

Still Solberg fighting with Sordo on tarmac?

Read that again.... up until this weekend everyone would have thought that's a joke and never gonna happen.

Very good point indeed!

[WRC1]

At least the Fiesta seams to perform well. Henning says it's much better than the Focus on tarmac. Add a Turbo engine and the Ford will be a top contender again.

with matt slowson as main test driver for ford???

loeb and sordo do the main test work for citroen, i am afraid the gap between citroen and ford will be even bigger next year....

[Gard]

I wouldn't be in Pattersons seat now. Hopefully Petter is not going a "do or die" this time

[blissard]

Yeah, the gap is too large. He can only hope for Sordo messing up.

[Hartusvuori]

If Solberg will score fastest time on this, he'll have most stage wins from the rally. Now it's equal with Petter and Sebastien.

[bluuford]

Congratulation to Loeb for the first win in Bulgaria and Congratulation for Sordo for another second place and congratulation to Solberg for the first podium with new co-driver, congratulation to Citroen for 1,2,3,4 positions that they missed out a few weeks ago :-)
Bulgaria is a nice place !

[blissard]

He is securing 3rd.. thank god. He has matured!

[Hartusvuori]

He is securing 3rd.. thank god. He has matured!

It's only 3 more seconds. He must be tempted. EDIT: Aah, got it wrong.

[Gard]

with matt slowson as main test driver for ford???

loeb and sordo do the main test work for citroen, i am afraid the gap between citroen and ford will be even bigger next year....

Don't forget is basically s2000 they are running next year. Haven't seen much of the DS3 yet. so test drivers is also Henning, Pons, Mikko, Mikkelsen and more.

And this testing is done in race pace

[RobertS]

Well, Sordo is under pressure to score and for Citroen 3rd nets as many manu points as 2nd...
" Because Solberg is not in contention for makes’ points, it makes no difference to Citroen’s overall score if Sordo takes second or third. "

http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=8290&desc=Sordo+holds+firm+in+battle+for+second+place

[jonkka]

" Because Solberg is not in contention for makes’ points, it makes no difference to Citroen’s overall score if Sordo takes second or third. "

My point exactly...

[Gard]

" Because Solberg is not in contention for makes’ points, it makes no difference to Citroen’s overall score if Sordo takes second or third. "

http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=8290&desc=Sordo+holds+firm+in+battle+for+second+place

Missed the point? It mean a LOT if Sordo ditched it trying to hold of Petter

[RobertS]

My point exactly...


Missed the point? It mean a LOT if Sordo ditched it trying to hold of Petter

Must to improve my English...

[Hartusvuori]

Mikko didn't sound very confident about Finland. Not saying he should...

[RobertS]

2010 WRC Rally Bulgaria Sébastien Loeb Onboard SS9 Peshtera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upueE9uE8U4

[jonkka]

12th 1-2-3-4 win in history and now both Ford and Citroen have one of those...

[blissard]

Kimi in trouble?

[Hartusvuori]

Kimi was 2nd fastest in 3rd split, but then dropped 50+ seconds. Perhaps a minor off or puncture.

[bluuford]

Well, one more small fight left between Kruuda and Broccoli in JWRC. Kruuda looked quite hopeless on the first day (second ever tarmac rally in his life). On the second day he improved a little and today he has shown he can be faster than Broccoli and Slavov in some stages. Hope they all three stay on the road on the last stage:-)

[Red bull]

another flawless victory for citroen,what other excuse for ford and its tourist drivers?

[Karukera]

Citroën can be pleased with this one.
It will be hard to not name this rally a complete humiliation for Ford.

Congrats to Solberg, he gave Sordo a fight for his pesetas, i didn't expect Petter to be that quick on tarmac with a new codriver, good for him.

Man of the Rally : Turan, well done Sir, old lady 307 is still hot, a good reward for his Hungarian fans.

Interesting rally and scennery, bravo to the Bulgarians.

Actually and again thanks to the Czech websites. :up:

[dimviii]

Kruuda lost for 1 sec to Broccoli

Bravo to Citroen for an excellent rally.
Very good pace from Petter with a new co driver in a new rally.

[6789]

Mikko didn't sound very confident about Finland. Not saying he should...

Yeah, he said he hopes to go well.. Hmm, it's along time ago when he was leading the IRC and WRC championships earlier in the year

[Barreis]

Citroën can be pleased with this one.
It will be hard to not name this rally a complete humiliation for Ford.

Congrats to Solberg, he gave Sordo a fight for his pesetas, i didn't expect Petter to be that quick on tarmac with a new codriver, good for him.

Man of the Rally : Turan, well done Sir, old lady 307 is still hot, a good reward for his Hungarian fans.

Interesting rally and scennery, bravo to the Bulgarians.

Actually and again thanks to the Czech websites. :up:

I agree..

[HaCo]

And Belgian Neuville takes his first JWRC win! :D :D

[Barreis]

It's sad that this guy Turan didn't want to take more risks to pass PG Andersson 'cos he show everybody that he can be faster then works guys..

[N.O.T]

A fantastic result for Citroen and Loeb...the event was fantastic for me with lots of action i spectated 2 days and i fell in love with WRC tarmac events...will deffinately have some tarmac events in my plans in the future.

As far as bulgaria goes for me the experience was very nice, definately a better event than the last 2-3 acropolis events in every aspect. People were friendly the stages were very demanding and the weather on rally days was ideal.

will post pictures of the event in a few hours.

Next in line rally finland the best event of the calendar...lets hope the ford circus gets serious about it or we might have a full non-finish podium for the first time ever.

[Hartusvuori]

Next in line rally finland the best event of the calendar...lets hope the ford circus gets serious about it or we might have a full non-finish podium for the first time ever.

Back in 2003 when Bosse retired, best Finn was Mäkinen at 6th.

But all the omens are there that it'll be another victorious rally for Citroen. I've said this before and you guys know it too, but we'll know it for sure by midday service on Friday. If Mikko is behind Loeb by then, game is over. It's all about who's getting the upper hand in the beginning.

[RobertS]

It's sad that this guy Turan didn't want to take more risks to pass PG Andersson 'cos he show everybody that he can be faster then works guys..Frigyes Turán has relatively few experiences with Worl Rally Cars, especially compare with the guys on WRC.
This year Turán runs with Gr.N Evo IX. in Hungarian Championship.
In 2008 & 2009 he runs with the Bozian 307 on 11 rallyes in HuRC.
Probably we will see him on Rallye de France this year.

http://www.turanmotorsport.hu/tms/

[danon]

It has been a great weekend.
The Bulgarian fans created a thrilling atmosphere.
And I almost (missed only two places up :up :) got it right predicting first place for Petter and Chris - well, may be the next time... :champion:

[N.O.T]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/sets/72157624469723320/

my pictures from the event..tell me if the link works because i have just made an account and have no clue if you can view anything.

I have pictures of almost every crew in high quality and uncropped so if you have any specific requests please feel free to PM me or send an e-mail and i will send you any photo you like.

[Allyc85]

Yea that works, great pics :D :D

[N.O.T]

ok i did something wrong and the pictures disappeared....re uploading as we speak.

[JRodrigues]

I have pictures of almost every crew in high quality and uncropped so if you have any specific requests please feel free to PM me or send an e-mail and i will send you any photo you like.

Do you have any pic from Kimmi?

[dimviii]

Do you have any pic from Kimmi?

Wait....now he is uploading the autograph from Kimmi :p


@NOT any comments from the rally? ie the sickiest dog? the scariest kid?

[N.O.T]

ok here is the correct link

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/sets/72157624345322143/

again if you have any requests feel free to ask

[N.O.T]

i have many of kimmi...check the link. if you need any of them or any specific crew in high quality please e-mail me or pm and i will send any picture you like...i have almost every crew.

[N.O.T]

Wait....now he is uploading the autograph from Kimmi :p


@NOT any comments from the rally? ie the sickiest dog? the scariest kid?

both awards go to wilson....PG was also not going very well on day 1 but on day 2 appeared improved but still lacking.

[bluuford]

half of the left mirror is missing? http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/4782498135/in/photostream/
Very nice pictures :-)

[Daniel]

ok here is the correct link

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/sets/72157624345322143/

again if you have any requests feel free to ask

Nice pictures Greg :)

[JRodrigues]

Nice pics! :p

[ste898]

Does anyone have some hi res large pictures of the Henning Solberg Fiesta side on view?

[Mirek]

Pictures from official FiestaS2000.com are large ;)
http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/joomgallery?func=viewcategory&catid=28

[Salist]

]Pictures from official FiestaS2000.com are large ;)
http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/joomgallery?func=viewcategory&catid=28

Thanks Mirek.
Brilliant photos!!!

[ste898]

]Pictures from official FiestaS2000.com are large ;)
http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/joomgallery?func=viewcategory&catid=28

Thankyou they are great photos

[PJRevs]

Final gallery

http://www.automagazin.rs/galerije.php?tg=wrc&kat=WRC,%20Rally%20Bulgaria%20-%20Finish%20ceremony,

[Hartusvuori]

Neil Cole (http://twitter.com/neilcole) (Dave) tweets:


Oooh intrigue... FIA scrutineers have stripped down 2 Citroens, Loeb & Solberg... Could even the #WRC (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23WRC) be decided on penalties?

Anything going on that we should know more about?

[igi]

Sordos first win? Not the way he would like it if something happens :)

[Daniel]

They've only stripped the cars down. Doesn't mean they've found any irregularities.

[Aquagen]

Some photo of today Rally Bulgaria atmosfera is here. It was really nice event!

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/92/



http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/6dfc1ce6973d9aefa35772128f060aad.jpg



http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/3ba4aa104dc69c1ac19d67ab3e7343cc.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/0720999893b624d0fa23d40f44fd709d.jpg

[Xsara Fan]

Neil Cole (http://twitter.com/neilcole) (Dave) tweets:



Anything going on that we should know more about?

http://rallybulgaria.com/cgi-bin/e-cms/vis/vis.pl?s=001&p=0030&n=85&g=