S1600 - Price vs Speed ?

[Sulland]

What S1600 cars are the best in todays 2nd hand market when you look at what you have to pay vs speed and drivability ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Definately Clio and C2 ;)

[pucky54]

don't forget the Swift

[Barreis]

Only for JWRC.. Otherwise not good investment..

[Sulland]

Definately Clio and C2 ;)


don't forget the Swift

I was thinking about use in national series, so money is an issue. But what cars are closest to the newest S1600, that still are very expensive.

So what is your best tip then ?
If you have price examples, with links, it is good !

[Karbonyl]

By me the R3 car is the best "value for money" nowadays.

[Francis44]

Clio's S1600 are good, but they are asking for 100000-120000 euros for one.

There is a C2 S1600 on rally cars for sale and they ask 77000 euros for it, here's the link http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/. (http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/)

[br21]

I think if you have mostly gravel events then R3 car is not bad choice. But on tarmac, especially smooth S1600 is much, much better. I don't know how much you have to pay for S1600 car, but good Clio R3 in top spec costs around 100.000euro. I think good S1600 car will be more expensive, surely the running costs.

[Barreis]

S1600 (C2 and Suzuki) is quicker then R3..

[Alvaro_Rally]

S1600 cars are not very expensive to buy but very, very, very expensive to maintain.

It´s much more cost effective a N4 or a R3 car!

[Sulland]

By me the R3 car is the best "value for money" nowadays.

Fully agree, but some want the racecar sound of a S1600 !

[PLuto]

I think if you have mostly gravel events then R3 car is not bad choice. But on tarmac, especially smooth S1600 is much, much better. I don't know how much you have to pay for S1600 car, but good Clio R3 in top spec costs around 100.000euro. I think good S1600 car will be more expensive, surely the running costs.

Top C2 S1600 is about 85 - 90 000 Euro.

[Barreis]

N4 ten times better option..

[Mirek]

S1600 cars are not very expensive to buy but very, very, very expensive to maintain.

It´s much more cost effective a N4 or a R3 car!

Renting Swift S1600 costs cca 85 Eur/km.

[urabus-denoS2000]

I can speak about Italian national scene because I know a thing or two...

About S1600 price , basically it is the maintenance that makes the price difference.If you service the gearbox every 500 km as it says in the Renault Sport papers (just guessing) then your car will have top performance for its whole life.A perfect Clio made in 2003 (in 2006 spec) will thousands of kilometers will still be around 120 000 euros. Top teams which are capable of this obviously have bigger prices.

Maybe a bit off topic,but in Italy Clio Williams FA7 from top teams like Padoan Sport,Pascoli,Munaretto,Orange Team,F.R. Special Cars, .... are very popular and are almost on the same level as S1600.The rent for these cars is THE SAME as for S1600.
Top cars like these cost around 70 000 euros. Some Italian drivers wanted to rent a S1600 but the car was already reserved so they got a Clio FA7 for the same price and of course nobody complained. These cars are real machines and I am a big fan of them.In proper hands they are regular top 3 finishers on any rally with any competition.

[Macd]

Older WRC cars would be more cost effective eg Corolla, Escort, 97,98,99 Subarus etc.

Have a look on http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/ they have hundreds.both S1600 and WRC

[Mirek]

I don't agree. Old WRC cars are quite cheap but non competitive against others in class.

We should compare cars capable of same things in their class.

[Macd]

]I don't agree. Old WRC cars are quite cheap but non competitive against others in class.

We should compare cars capable of same things in their class.

Its all down to the driver as far as I see it. Dennis Cronin recently won in Ireland in a 99 spec Subaru against s12b's s11's focus 05's etc. At wrc level they will not be competitive but on a national championship the playing field is relativly mis-matched in levels of skill so having a ultra quick car isnt as important.

[Mirek]

Yes, it's always down to driver but by this way we could say that since Loeb is able to win in R2 car in some countries, any more expensive car is waste of money. It's a bit biased because You can find some suitable circumstances for almost any argument.

Second thing is that WRC cars are allowed in only few countries on top competition level and the number of such countries will go down in next years during which WRC cars become useless almost everywhere.

[Sulland]

This season two drivers have bought a Ford Puma S1600 each, and in the first rally this season, a lot of people commented on them on a norwegian forum.

I dont know what they paid, but I find it cool that some drivers want to have a car that is not mainstream, that is a real racecar, and looks and sounds like that !

Is the Puma the best option in that older category S1600, or are others better ?

I remember when we had a Ibiza S1600 whining through the norwegian forrests years ago, a real orchestra in itself. But then again I like engines that have max output at high revs !! :D :D ;)

[pucky54]

Is the Puma the best option in that older category S1600, or are others better ?

No definately not. Fords Super 1600 cars are a waste of money. Doesn't matter if Puma or Fiesta. IMO the best choice of an "older" Super 1600 car is to take an Ignis, you are getting one from 40000 EUR on, but as said before, the running costs are the most expensive on such a car.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Sulland there is no Ibiza S1600 that was a Maxi Kit Car ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

If you want an older S1600 Punto was a good one in my opinion,they stopped in 2005 spec

[Sulland]

Sulland there is no Ibiza S1600 that was a Maxi Kit Car ;)

You are of course correct, but that was a nice car !
http://images.google.com/images?hl=no&client=safari&rls=en&q=seat+Ibiza+Kit+Car&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=iUxDS5fqHIvb-QbFodiuCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQsAQwAA

[urabus-denoS2000]

Of course , it is a great car

I know that Andrej Jereb's Ibiza Kit Car was sold to Norway,maybe we are talking about the same car ;)

[Sulland]

Of course , it is a great car

I know that Andrej Jereb's Ibiza Kit Car was sold to Norway,maybe we are talking about the same car ;)

As far as I know there has only been one, so you're probably right !

[Jarek Z]

I dont know what they paid, but I find it cool that some drivers want to have a car that is not mainstream, that is a real racecar, and looks and sounds like that !


I like what you say! Puma may not be the best S1600 car, but in 2006 here in Poland we had a driver who also bought Puma and I can tell you that it added some welcome variety to the championship dominated by Mitsus and Subbies

Here is the car
http://rallyonline.pl:84/ft.php?idg=1509&pg_[go]=31
http://rallyonline.pl:84/ft.php?idg=1509&pg_[go]=21

[Wim_Impreza]

Belgian driver Grégoire Coulembier drives for much years in a Puma S1600 and it seems he will drive only in very small rallies in the first part this year and, if his budget is good enough, than he will drive a Fiesta R2 in the second part of the year.

[Iskald]

I like what you say! Puma may not be the best S1600 car, but in 2006 here in Poland we had a driver who also bought Puma and I can tell you that it added some welcome variety to the championship dominated by Mitsus and Subbies

Here is the car
http://rallyonline.pl:84/ft.php?idg=1509&pg_[go]=31
http://rallyonline.pl:84/ft.php?idg=1509&pg_[go]=21

The two Ford Pumas in Norway was bought by two enthusiast drivers, who wanted proper racebuilt rallycars (sixspeed sequential etc.), but for a reasonable price. Each car was sold in Britain for appr. 35-36 000 Euros. On top of that the spare part prices was quoted as "extremely reasonable" compared to other S1600-machinery. The two guys who bought the cars are not first and foremost driving for championship honours, but are doing it mostly for fun. And why not? As you are telling form Poland, Jarek Z, cars like these adds a variety - and they certainly sound like proper racers in the forest. It was great seeing and hearing them in our "Mid-Christmas Rally" last week.