One-Make Cup's

[Gordini]

What one make cups are run around Europe?
Pls with links to homepage for the cup?

[hari]

What one make cups are run around Europe?
Pls with links to homepage for the cup?

In Austria: Suzuki Motorsport Cup
with Suzuki Swift Sport and Suzuki Ignis Sport
http://www.suzuki-cup.at/

[ProRally]

There will be Renault Clio R3 cup in Spain

[MartijnS]

Citroen C2 , Ford Fiesta and Peugeot 207 RC in Belgium.
Nissan 350Z, Mitsubishi Colt, BMW E30 325i , Peugeot 205 in the Netherlands.

[M5]

In Norway we have 2 left after the 206 Supercup was cancelled for 2010.
http://www.peugeotsport.no/

Subaru Cup
http://www.voldsund-motorsport.no/Webdesk/netblast/pages/index.html?id=1015472

Ford Fiesta
http://topdriver.shotcode.no/

[Jarek Z]

In Poland, Czech Republic, Belgium, Ireland, UK, Portugal, Romania and next year also in Switzerland - Citroen Racing Trophy (Citroens C2 R2)

[MartijnS]

We also have the BMW Compact M3 Cup and Volvo Original Cup in the Netherlands :)

[PLuto]

There will be also international Renault Clio R3 Trophy.

[Andrey]

Renault Logan Cup in Russia: http://www.logancup.ru/

[Tom206wrc]

Trofeo Peugeot 207 in Italy ;)
http://competition.itacampi.com/

Volant 207, Citroën Racing Trophy, Clio&Twingo Cup in France...

[Tom206wrc]

"Desafio Modelstand" in Portugal(running in regional championship, using ex-206 cup cars)since this 2009 season ;)

[eloyf1]

There will be Renault Clio R3 cup in Spain
... you know even better than us :D

Dunno, Renault Sport España has suffered some changes in its structure, and all 2009 Clio R3 Challenge drivers have put their Clios in sale... If there is any Challenge again, it will be very, very light...

Anyway, in Spain there are Clio R3 Challenge, Evo Cup (Not really a cup, but gives money to best Mitsus in both gravel and tarmac), Producción Rally Racing (Gr.N Evo X in both tarmac and gravel events), Copa Suzuki Swift, and Fun Cup (VW Golf II in gravel). There are also lots of trophies in regional championships...

[urabus-denoS2000]

Mitsubishi Evo Cup and Subaru Cup in Italy ;)

[modri dirkac]

Now we have a big fight in Slovenia between two organisers, who wants to organize Dacia Sandero Cup (1.6, cca 100 HP) and Renault Clio Cup (the old one, 1,4 16V with 100 HP). But there is no room (money) for both, so we will see who will succeed. ;)

Renault Twingo, made in our country, is too expensive. Even if is quite the same as R1 ...

[urabus-denoS2000]

I just hope something WILL be organised (always ideas at the beggining of the season,never realised)

[Fly]

Fiesta R2 in Finland

http://www.fiestar2.fi/news.php

[ProRally]

... you know even better than us :D

Dunno, Renault Sport España has suffered some changes in its structure, and all 2009 Clio R3 Challenge drivers have put their Clios in sale... If there is any Challenge again, it will be very, very light...

Anyway, in Spain there are Clio R3 Challenge, Evo Cup (Not really a cup, but gives money to best Mitsus in both gravel and tarmac), Producción Rally Racing (Gr.N Evo X in both tarmac and gravel events), Copa Suzuki Swift, and Fun Cup (VW Golf II in gravel). There are also lots of trophies in regional championships...

Easy I know the guy who organizes the Clio Cup in Spain... :D

[Tom206wrc]

... you know even better than us :D

Dunno, Renault Sport España has suffered some changes in its structure, and all 2009 Clio R3 Challenge drivers have put their Clios in sale... If there is any Challenge again, it will be very, very light...

Anyway, in Spain there are Clio R3 Challenge, Evo Cup (Not really a cup, but gives money to best Mitsus in both gravel and tarmac), Producción Rally Racing (Gr.N Evo X in both tarmac and gravel events), Copa Suzuki Swift, and Fun Cup (VW Golf II in gravel). There are also lots of trophies in regional championships...


What about an eventual 207 rally cup in Spain(in 2009 it was cancelled, but with possibility for 2010) :confused: :confused:

[eloyf1]

What about an eventual 207 rally cup in Spain(in 2009 it was cancelled, but with possibility for 2010) :confused: :confused:
It's better to wait until 2011... Manufacturers are returning to National Championship, and Peugeot Spain is waiting for looking at how does 2010 champ evolve (Skoda & Ford continuity, Fiat return...) to decide the return of their official entry, that would come with the 207 Cup, cancelled this year due to small number of entries.

It also depends on what happens with 207 Cup in circuits, as there have been lots of problems with cars (France units were used here, and Spanish summer provoked lots of overheating): if they aren't arranged for 2010, or the rise of costs reduces entries, then it will disappear, and Peugeot Spain will put all their efforts in rallying.

I heard about a two car/team effort for 2011, but it's still extremely indefinite ("vague" in French, I can't translate properly :p )

[vino_93]

Fiat will come back in Spanish Championship the next year ? Who will be the driver(s) ? :p

[eloyf1]

Fuster is said to enter a Punto S2000, but he still owns a Porsche, so we'll see... I forgot that Suzuki will have an official team, with Gorka Antxustegi and a very experimented and quick driver... I'll stop, I don't want to make an OT of this topic... :D

[Tom206wrc]

"Desafio Modelstand" in Portugal(running in regional championship, using ex-206 cup cars)since this 2009 season ;)


Rali Montelongo next week, first meeting of Desafio Modelstand(16 crews on current pre-entrylist) ;)

[Sulland]

What is the specs of the Clio R3 in the different cups that is run:
Access
Premium
Maxi

What are the differences btw them, and the prices to buy them new ?

[br21]

Clios r3 are available in access or maxi specs. You can upgrade your maxi to evo spec.
Access costs 32,6k euro for kit and 9,8k for parts from series model to build complete rally car.
Maxi costs 49,6k euro for kit. 7,7k euro for gravel kit. Also some parts from series model needed.
Main differences between access and maxi are: different suspension (not only dampers (bilstein/ohlins) but also different front and rear axles), different brakes (no hydraulic handbreake in access), no "pedal box" in access and of course different engine (200hp in access, 230 in maxi)
Evo is an upgraded maxi with different - carbon airbox, more powerfull engine (250hp/8500revs max comparing to 230hp/7800revs max in maxi). There are also many different upgrades available like different final drive, different driveshafts, waterducts, rear brakes etc.
When buying maxi kit you receive bodyshell, complete front and rear suspension (ohlins dampers, axles etc.), brakes, interior (dashboard with display, seats, belts, fire system), pedal box, ecu, electric loom, engine, gearbox with driveshafts and 4 rims. In gravel kit you've got: suspension parts (i.e. different dampers, springs), brakes, 4 gravel rims, and different sumpguard plus fuel tank cover.
You have to build the car from the kit by your own, as far as I know Renault Sport is not selling complete cars.
You can buy Clio R3 in top spec with all available upgrades for around 90k euro from different teams using them in Europe.
I don't know exact specs of the Clios competing in cups in different countries.

[Micke_VOC]

In Sweden:

Topdriver, Ford Fiestas http://topdriver.shotcode.no/

Volvo Original, old Volvo cars. http://www.volvooriginal.com

Mitsubishi Evolution Challenge http://www.evo-challenge.se/

[Tom206wrc]

Rali Montelongo next week, first meeting of Desafio Modelstand(16 crews on current pre-entrylist) ;)

And live results http://www.temposonline.net/info.aspx?id=2 :)

[Tom206wrc]

Next week Carlos Barros from Peugeot-Sport Portugal goes in France to see a test of the 207 RC Evo10 and will take then decision to have or not a 207 Cup in Portugal this season ;)

Next week-end is also Rali de Barcelos next event of the Desafio Modelstand :)

Source http://ralis.online.pt/

[Tom206wrc]

The Rali de Curitiba, IRC event and brazilian rally championship round will be also the first round of the Copa Peugeot 2010(drivers running in 206 and 207 Compact) ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic battle for the victory of Desafio Modelstand at rali Barcelos yesterday !!! Only 0.8s between Pina and Ribeiro at the finish of the eight stages!!! :D
http://cam.stm.pt/barcelos2010/doc/F_MOD.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like we go to an end of the gravel Subaru Cup in Italy :(

[Tom206wrc]

Currently at the Ciocco(TRA tarmac championship)is starting the italian 2010 Trofeo 207 with 8 crews ;)

[Jarek Z]

There will be two cups in Polish championship this year - Citroen C2 R2 Challenge (Citroen Racing Trophy) and Renault Clio Cup.

[Tom206wrc]

Today was presentation in parisian suburb of the Citroën DS3 R3T :bounce:

Several rallies to run this year: Ulster Rally(lucky Irish/UK rally fans :D ), french tarmac championship(Mont-Blanc, Cévennes, Var)and gravel(Cardabelles, Vaucluse) :cool:

There are pics of the car, to me it looks great :up:

[Tom206wrc]

And here pics of the "beast" :p :
http://www.netcarshow.com/citroen/2011-ds3_r3/

Looks like the DS3 will also take part to Sanremo and Valais this year :confused:

Next year is scheduled a DS3 european rally trophy with 10 countries :cool:

[Sulland]

Do we know any prices of the different kits on the DS3 R3T ?

[Tom206wrc]

Do we know any prices of the different kits on the DS3 R3T ?


Rallybuzz sums it quite well ;)
http://www.rallybuzz.com/info-citroen-ds3-r3/

[Sulland]

So 206, where in there does it mention Euro, pls help me out ?

[br21]

62000 euro for tarmac kit plus 7800e for gravel conversion kit.
kits available from end of october/november 2010

[Sulland]

Plus donorcar, then we are at 90 000€ aprox ?

How much is a Clio R3 Maxi ?

And how will those two compare in speed ?

[br21]

Plus donorcar, then we are at 90 000€ aprox ?

How much is a Clio R3 Maxi ?

And how will those two compare in speed ?

yep. also you have to build your rally car from that kit - it also costs.
clio r3 costs around 50k euro for tarmac kit.
I don't know any comparision between those two cars. surely clio is currently more reliable as it is widely used all over europe. citroen is brand new project. and it's complete new technology and completely new approach to group R rally car - 1,6 turbo engine, gearbox with paddle shift, etc. I should know something more about citroen after wrc in bulgaria.

[Tom206wrc]

What should happen with Citroën after Rally Bulgaria ??? Announcements ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Very good choice from Citroën, "polish champion" Bryan Bouffier will drive the DS3 R3 in Ulster(20th august)for its first official outing :D
http://www.ulsterrally.com/ (see provisional entrylist)

[Tom206wrc]

First Peugeot 207 RC in Poland, next week at Rajd Warszawski: crew Pawel Bielak/Michal Bojar ;)

[br21]

First Peugeot 207 RC in Poland, next week at Rajd Warszawski: crew Pawel Bielak/Michal Bojar ;)

This car was already presented in Poland during Rajd Krakowski, at the beginning of July, with the same driver. I think they have some technical problems during that rally.

[Tom206wrc]

Two portuguese drivers have planned to run a DS3 R3 next year: Paulo Nieto and Ivo Nogueira ;)

Source http://ralis.online.pt/

You even can see Nieto's vrtual livery for the Citroën :p :

[Sulland]

What cups are planned for 2011 around the world ?

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Tomasz Porebski(CRT Polska)will test a DS3 :confused:

[Jarek Z]

Yes, that's true. Porebski will be testing this car in Italy together with some other drivers.

[Gordini]

If a Country shoud do a Twingo R1 cup or a Gordini Cup (R1), how much would a car be including discount from the Renault importer in that contry, aproxi?

[Sulland]

How much time difference is it btw the Twingo R1 and R2 pr km SS ?

[Mirek]

A lot, R1 is almost stock car with rollcage. It doesn't have even limited slip differential...

[Sulland]

A lot, R1 is almost stock car with rollcage. It doesn't have even limited slip differential...

I know, but if you should make a guess Mirek ? 30 hp difference in power.

[Mirek]

It's not that easy. You can only measure s/km with same driver on same road. Otherwise the number has no meaning. I can say for example 3 s/km but even if I'm wrong by just 1 s/km, it's so huge difference, that such guessing doesn't make sense.

[Sulland]

The guy doing Rally France in a R1, had 79,5 km/h average, and the only finishing R2 had 86. But I dont know anything about the drivers of course.

Loeb had 106 average, so aprox 80 is not that bad for a standard+ car !

[vino_93]

Manu Guigou is the best 2WD driver in France, but in France he wasn't very excited to drive a R1 instead of his Clio R3 :rolleyes: It was strange to see this fabulous driver slow slow slow in the Twingo, because when he has the Clio, he is just :eek:

[Sulland]

Manu Guigou is the best 2WD driver in France, but in France he wasn't very excited to drive a R1 instead of his Clio R3 :rolleyes: It was strange to see this fabulous driver slow slow slow in the Twingo, because when he has the Clio, he is just :eek:

So he could have gone faster if he wanted to, is that what you are saying ?

[Fly]

So he could have gone faster if he wanted to, is that what you are saying ?

I think he means the car is underpowered. My dad was at Rallye de France and he told me the R1 was boring to watch.

[vino_93]

So he could have gone faster if he wanted to, is that what you are saying ?

he could I think ... Guigou didn't push a lot :( I think he was very unhappy to drive this car. When I saw him, in the military camp, he didn't attack, he didn't push hard ...
But the car, like said Fly, was unpowered too, maybe it's why Guigou didn't push...
To compare R1 to R2, maybe furthers rallyes of the FRC are better example ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Congratulations to portuguese crew Pedro Zamith/Gilson Rocha who won the 2010 brazilian Peugeot 207 cup :up:

[Tom206wrc]

Laurent Reuche new leader of the french Volant 207 today, after his victory on Terre du Vaucluse, with only the rallye du Var to go and close the 2010 season :D

We aren't far to have for the first time a non-french driver winning this french cup...mmmmh that's interesting ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Laurent Reuche won the Volant 207 2010 last week-end after Rallye du Var !!! As a swiss driver he made history, being the first non-french driver to win the french Peugeot cup !!! Congratulations to him :bounce:

[Sulland]

Will France have a Megane RS N4 cup in 2011 ?

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like an important upgrade for the 207 R3T in 2011 !!!! :eek:
Portuguese team RF Competiçao will have a 207 with "Citroën DS3 engine" in it next year...

Wonder if it'll be the official factory evo :confused:

Source http://www.ralis.online.pt/

Exciting if the 207 can reach the level of performance of the Clio R3 evo next year :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Why no Citroën Racing Trophy in the norwegian rally championship ??? :confused:

Citroën Norway prefers to concentrate on Petter Solberg's program alone ??? :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Why no Citroën Racing Trophy in the norwegian rally championship ??? :confused:

There is not a single C2 R2 in Norwegian championship. At least in Sigdasrally today.

[Sulland]

Why no Citroën Racing Trophy in the norwegian rally championship ??? :confused:

Citroën Norway prefers to concentrate on Petter Solberg's program alone ??? :rolleyes:

We had a Peugeot 206 cup, but that one has ended, so the only cup left is the Fiesta SportTrophy together with the Swedes
http://topdriver.shotcode.no/

The Splendid Subarucup also died in its original format, but many of the cars are still in use, but are more or less being rebuildt to full N4 spec.

But the DS3 R3T is too expensive for a 2wd. Maybe a C2 or a Twingo R1/R2 cup would fly, I dont know.

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic entrylist for the 2011 Desafio Modelstand(Portugal) :)
First round of the season this week-end at the Rali Barcelos ;)

[Sulland]

Saw that the Twingo R1 will be well represented in the French Asphalt championship this year.

Have been looking a bit into this class, to see if that could be an option for a new cup up north. But so far the only suspension option I have seen is for asphalt. Has it been made, or will it be made an option also for Gravel for the R1 ? Can gravel parts made for the R2 be taken, and put directly on the R1, do they fit ?

[Mirek]

R1B is basically N2. I don't think there are any special gravel/asphalt parts for such almost stock car. But the problem for gravel would definitely be an absence of LSD.

[br21]

currently no gravel dampers available for Twingo R1. Kit contains only front tarmac dampers, the rear ones remain stock. also the lack of LSD as Mirek said.

[Sulland]

So what you are saying is that the R1 class is useless on gravel ?

[Co-driven]

Mirek,

LSD stands for limited-slip differential? If yes, why you say that its absence is the problem for gravel?

[Sulland]

Mirek,

LSD stands for limited-slip differential? If yes, why you say that its absence is the problem for gravel?

Cause the inner front wheel will use all the power spinning through bends, and little power, of the little power the R1 has available will drag the car forward.

[Co-driven]

Ah, ok then, it's a problem for the R1 cars then, right?

I asked that because here in Brazil probably 95% of the front-wheel drive cars doesn't have LSD. For example, in the National Championship I think it was last allowed in 2007. And there's the Peugeot Trophy too, and we don't use it.

Thanks for your answer.

[br21]

So what you are saying is that the R1 class is useless on gravel ?

When kit contains what it contains currently - I think yes.

[OldF]

The R1B is very close to Finnish V1600 class (V = vakio = standard).

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v1600.com%2F

The model of the car must be 2000 or newer. FIA homologation (group A or N) is not mandatory but the car should be available in EU. Every car must have a passport (homologation form), which is filled by the competitor. The application for a passport is send to the local ASN.

The min weight for the cars is calculated with the formula 525 kg + 6,8 kg/kW. For a car cylinder capacity of 1500 cc or smaller the formula is 500 kg + 6,8 kg/kW. If the car has a 6-gear gearbox the formula is 550 kg + 6,8 kg/kW. The kW is the power given by the manufacturer.

In rallying this is the min weight without driver and co-driver but in rallysprint and circuit racing it’s includes the driver also.

The main difference is that in group R the dampers must be homologated as in the V1600 they’re free except only dampers with only one adjustment are allowed.

Here is a list of cars that have a passport (situation 2.2.2010)

Alfa 147 (4), BMW 316 (2), Citroen C2 (2), Citroen C4 VTR, Citroen Saxo VTS (2), Citroen Xsara VTR, Fiat Bravo (2), Ford Focus (3), Lada Samara, Mitsubishi Colt, Nissan Micra (2), Peugeot 206 XS (4), Peugeot 106 GTI (2), Renault Clio (5), Renault Megane, Skoda Felicia 1,6, Suzuki Ignis Sport (2), Suzuki Swift Sport (2), VW Golf, VW Lupo GTI, VW Polo (2)

[br21]

very nice idea with this V1600. If google translates correctly gearbox have to be standard? So no LSD allowed? What are the safety rules? Of course the rollcage according to appendix J but what about seats, belts, extinguishers? - up to date homologations necessary or could be with expired homologation? tires are free?

[OldF]

That’s correct, the gearbox has to be standard and no LSD allowed. If the standard has a LSD, it must be removed or the differential replaced with a differential without a LSD.

The seats and seat belts must be FIA approved. The tires are free. A car that have an expired homologation or a car that even ever had a homologation can be used as long as the model in question is newer than year 2000.

You can find the regulations here V1600 regulations (http://www.autourheilu.fi/attachements/2006-01-19T13-41-5412.pdf) and make a google translation of them. I would have posted them here but there were over 10.000 characters so it wouldn’t fit in one post (I remember that the 10.000 character is the limit for one post).

[br21]

Thanx for explanations!

[Tom206wrc]

18 entries in the "Desafio Modelstand" at rali Rota Medronho(Portugal) this week-end ;)

[Sulland]

What were the driver comments/impressions on the French R1 round, were they happy or did they complain on some areas of the car?

[Tom206wrc]

Once again, impressive entrylist for the Desafio Modelstand at rali do Vidreiro this coming week-end :cool:

[Wim_Impreza]

Once again, impressive entrylist for the Desafio Modelstand at rali do Vidreiro this coming week-end :cool:

Do you mean this entry list? http://www.camg.pt/pdf/rv2011_inscritos.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Yep ;)

[Tom206wrc]

9 DS3 R3 on entrylist of Rally della Lanterna(TRA), first event of the Trofeo DS3 R3 Italia :eek:

[Gordini]

How is the R1 trophys going ? Are the cars improve with test and rally?

[Tom206wrc]

Again...about 12 DS3s awaited at next week-end Rally del Casentino, second event ofthe italian "Trofeo DS3" :p :

[OldF]

Renault trophy in UK for Twingo R1 and R2.

MaxRally | News | New Renault Trophy for UK (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/new_renault_trophy_for_uk/)

[Sulland]

Any new cups, or cups that has been put to sleep in 2012?

[Wim_Impreza]

Any new cups, or cups that has been put to sleep in 2012?

There is now a Fabia R2 Cup in the Czech Republic: http://fabiar2.com/ENG/fabia-cup/about-project

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end in France, two one-make cups share the same rally: Volant Peugeot 207 and Citroën Racing Trophy at the Rallye Terre de Lozère(gravel event) ;)

Several foreign drivers on the entrylist: German Karl-Friedrich Beck in 207 cup, Belgians Cédric Chérain, Kevin Demaerschalk and Irish Keith Cronin in DS3 cup...

To follow in thread "News from France" :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Citroen C2 , Ford Fiesta and Peugeot 207 RC in Belgium.
Nissan 350Z, Mitsubishi Colt, BMW E30 325i , Peugeot 205 in the Netherlands.


207 Cup in Belgium was a total failure(not enough entry crews), let's hope Peugeot Benelux will try again with the new 208 R2 in 2013 :confused:

[Gordini]

The Peugeot 207 RC looks like cheapest r3t class, why is this car chepest?
will it go on, or will new 208 come in r3t?

[Tom206wrc]

Well, in same time as terre de Lozère in France, there was also the Citroën trophy Italy running at the Rally Friuli Alpi orientaly, where Andrea Crugnola did a very good result(6th overall, first 2WD)and should take the lead of the cup now ;)
Pitty Rudy Michelini had to retire on penultimate stage while fighting for the lead :(
The other finishers were: Alex Vittalini(8th), Alessandro Re(10th)and Gabriele Cogni(12th).

[Sulland]

Look at the stage-times and you will know why it is the cheapest... Less developed and not so fast as DS3 or Clio R3, the 207 was made for trophies, not for being state-of-the-art in R3 class... ;)

Are Peugeot planning a 208 RC ?

[dimviii]

Are Peugeot planning a 208 RC ?
208 gti 1,6lit 200ps
http://www.zougla.gr/automoto/article/me-200-ipous-to-neo-peugeot-208-gti

[Sulland]

How quick is the 207 volant' that is a R3T.
What other type car can we compare it with?

Will the price drop, now that the french cup is over?

[tommeke_B]

I would say the 207 R3T is around same pace as a C2 Max. It's R3, but they kept it cheap, the car is made for the trophy, Peugeot had no other goals with it.

[Sulland]

Thx!

[Tom206wrc]

Official birth of the 208 Rally Cup in France for 2013... ;)
7 events, four on gravel, three on tarmac, including the finale in Belgium(Condroz) :)

[Tom206wrc]

More than 25 crews are awaited for the first round of the 2013 french 208 Cup in april(rallye terre des Causses/gravel event) :)

Also in Switzerland, a 208 cup is being prepared ;)

[Sulland]

What is the prize for a cup car?

[Tom206wrc]

This week Citroën Racing should communicate about the Citroën Racing Trophy 2013, and should add a trophy for the Ds3 R1(in France) ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Official !!! Peugeot Benelux and Kronos create the 208 Rally Cup in Belgium rally championship :cool:

[Adler]

There will be DS3 R1 Trophy in Germany, France, Belgium. Registered teams can compete, score points and receive trophy money and goods in all countrys. Each trophy winner will get a free ride in Monte 2014 in an DS3 R1!

DS3 R1-Trophy offiziell vorgestellt*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/dm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/12/01/ds3-r1-trophy-offiziell-vorgestellt/index.html)

Trophy Citroën DS3 R1 Trophy der PRO-DRIVERS Deutschland GmbH (http://www.citroen-trophy.de/trophy/)

price of the car is 25000 € + VAT (in Germany)

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks for the info Adler ;)

[Tom206wrc]

This is finally OffShore Limited team who will take charge of the organization of the Peugeot 208 R2 Rally Cup 2013 in Switzerland...
http://www.facebook.com/OffshoreRallyTeam

[Tom206wrc]

This time it's official !!! Birth for 2013 of the Citroën Top Driver, a european trophy for the DS3 R3T on 6 WRC rounds(Portugal, Italy, Finland, Germany, France and UK) :)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like there will be a Peugeot 208 R2 Rally Cup in Portugal this season !!! :)

[Sulland]

Looks like there will be a Peugeot 208 R2 Rally Cup in Portugal this season !!! :)

Do you know when Peugeot will start to deliver cars to those that bought? Hear that there was a engine delivery issue or something?

[Mirek]

Engine deliveries started already.

[Tom206wrc]

Yes, all the four crews on entrylist of Monte-Carlo have their cars ready ;)

[TheFlyingTuga]

Portugal will have a 208 R2 Cup (if there is enought drivers) The organization is the same of the Modelstand Challenge with the old 206 GTi (A6) that will run too! And we have another trophee, the FastBravo with the little Seat Marbella's (the organizator is trying to put a Marbella Proto [1000cc Honda CBR motor with 6 sequencial six gearbox and 4WD] running as well, but I don't see it happen).

[Tom206wrc]

WOW !!!! Just read on AutoHebdo website !!!! Opel arrives in french championship this season with the Adam Cup(6 rounds)and female driver Charlotte Berton is the first one to enter the cup !!!! :eek: :eek: :up:

[vino_93]

Is there a calendar ? I hope they will go to Le Touquet (no Peugeot and no Citroen there this year :( )

[MAXLD]

WOW !!!! Just read on AutoHebdo website !!!! Opel arrives in french championship this season with the Adam Cup(6 rounds)and female driver Charlotte Berton is the first one to enter the cup !!!! :eek: :eek: :up:

I knew a German Adam Cup was confirmed but seeing it spreading to other countries is really great news. :)
Hope it gives more encouragement to bet high later on the R5 version of next Corsa model.

[Tom206wrc]

Is there a calendar ? I hope they will go to Le Touquet (no Peugeot and no Citroen there this year :( )

No Touquet neither ;( starts at Lyon-Charbonnières(and ends at Var)
But Charlotte will run the entire championship in the Adam, so in Touquet too ;)

[vino_93]

grrr ...

In what class will be homologated the car ? F2/12 ? Or A6, R2 ? :/

[Tom206wrc]

R1 me thinks :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

We should know the official program/news this coming week-end(RallyExpo event), but according to Autosprint(italian magazine), there will be this season two 208 cups in Italy(organised by Peugeot Italia): one "top"(on a mixed program of CIR + TRA championship events), the other, "normal" using IRC(International Rally Cup)roads... ;)

[Tom206wrc]

All the Opel Adams available in France for the rally cup have been sold(they were 15) !!! :D

[vino_93]

some names ?
And what are the prizes ? (official drive in 2014, money prize round by round, ...)

[Tom206wrc]

13 teams so far on entrylist of Citroën DS3 R1 Cup from Germany :)
Source Rallye-Magazin today...

[Tom206wrc]

Portuguese driver Diogo Gago(ex-Desafio Modelstand)enters the french 208 Cup this season !!! :)

[Tom206wrc]

According to Megamodo website, success of interest from italian drivers to the new Citroën Junior Trofeo(running DS3 R1s on 6 rallies in Italy) :)
But only 8 entries will be accepted(mainly under 25y/o drivers)

Wonder if there's some known names among the candidates :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Portugal will have a 208 R2 Cup (if there is enought drivers) The organization is the same of the Modelstand Challenge with the old 206 GTi (A6) that will run too! And we have another trophee, the FastBravo with the little Seat Marbella's (the organizator is trying to put a Marbella Proto [1000cc Honda CBR motor with 6 sequencial six gearbox and 4WD] running as well, but I don't see it happen).


Not enough entries !!! Peugeot Portugal once again cancelled the cup... :(

[Sulland]

Are all DS3 R1 trophy rounds on asphalt, or are some on gravel?

[Tom206wrc]

After leg one Pfalz Westrich Rallye this friday evening, Julius Tannert is leading the german Junior DS3 R1 trophy ahead of Phillip Knof and Dark Liebehenschel ;)

Superrally(early retirements)for Terben Nebel and Tina Wiegand :(

Tomorrow saturday is a very long leg with no less than 12 stages...

[darkstar]

here´s a video of the opel adam rallye cup car:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzGp2_cW8yY

[vino_93]

If I don't say mistakes, this week end it was the first victory for a 208 R2 : eWRC-results.com - results Rallye Rgional du Val d'Orain 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=10736&t=Rallye-Regional-du-Val-d-Orain-2013)
Cédric Rabasse won the small rally du Val d'Orain :)

[Tom206wrc]

No Citroën Racing Trophy Belgium(BeLux)anymore in 2014... :mark:

Looks like next year all the european Peugeot 208 Cups will be in PIRELLI :confused:

[Mirek]

Opel Adam cup part of Czech rallysprint championship 2014.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like in 2014 in Italy there will be a trophy for the former Peugeot 106s ans 206s :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

On tuesday Citroën Racing published a press release announcing 7 european countries in 2014 with Citroën Racing trophies...

I see:
-France
-Germany
-Italy
-Poland
-UK
-CZ
??

What's the last one :confused:

[tommeke_B]

Certainly not Belgium. In Belgium the Citroën Racing Trophy has been cancelled for next year, due to lack of interest...

[liposh]

I think it could be Switzerland. EDIT: Yes, I am right according to www.info-rallye.ch (http://www.info-rallye.ch)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like there will be a Ford Fiesta "I-Drive Cup" in Portugal this season :confused:

[TheFlyingTuga]

Looks like there will be a Ford Fiesta "I-Drive Cup" in Portugal this season :confused:

It's with a 1.0l Ecoboost Fiesta with 100bhp (more or less) but it's mainly for circuit racing and HillClimbing! It could be present in the last 3 rounds of the Poprtuguese Champ (asphalt) but it's still soon, so it's only speculation

[Tom206wrc]

M-Sport and DMack create a Ford Fiesta R2 cup in WRC this season ;)

[Fly]

Thierry Neuville's brother, Yannick, to contest the Adam Cup in Germany in 2014.

[Tom206wrc]

There should be a finnish driver in the french 208 Cup this season :)
If you know his name please write it in this thread :p:

[Juha_Koo]

There should be a finnish driver in the french 208 Cup this season :)
If you know his name please write it in this thread :p:

It is Taisko "Tade" Lario. :) He is mentored by Craig Breen and behind the scheme is V&V Sport Management (Kim Vatanen). Lario's codriver will be Pasi Törmä.

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks Juha_Koo :)

[Sulland]

What one make cups are alive in europe in 2017?

[CWJ]

opel-rallye-cup Germany

https://www.adac-motorsport.de/adac-opel-rallye-cup

[JUF]

What one make cups are alive in europe in 2017?

ADAC Opel Rallye Cup (Germany)
Peugeot 208 Rally Cup (France)
Opel Rallye Cup - Adam R2 (Austria)
Opel Rallye Cup - Corsa OPC (Austria)
Opel Corsa OPC Cup (Denmark)
Ford Fiesta Sport Trophy (Belgium)
Peugeot Total Rally Cup (Czech Republic)
Dacia Sandero Cup (Spain)
Skoda Fabia Cup (Spain)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Iberia)
Suzuki Swift Cup (Spain)
Ford Fiesta Sport Trophy (Finland)
European Clio R3T Trophy (France)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Alps)
Renault Twingo R1 Cup (Italy)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Italy)
Suzuki Rally Trophy (Italy)
DS3 R1 Challenge (Portugal)
Dacia Cup (Romania)
Suzuki Cup (Romania)...

[Mirek]

I think that here in CZ we'll have also Opel Adam cup again which is normally held on a mixture of events from various championships/cups.

By the way marketing director of Opel CZ Mr. Barčák is currently leading R2 class in the opening championship event ahead of all Peugeot R2 cup drivers...

[vino_93]

French junior championship will be a one-make cup with Fiesta R2T "National".

[TWRC]

ADAC Opel Rallye Cup (Germany)
Peugeot 208 Rally Cup (France)
Opel Rallye Cup - Adam R2 (Austria)
Opel Rallye Cup - Corsa OPC (Austria)
Opel Corsa OPC Cup (Denmark)
Ford Fiesta Sport Trophy (Belgium)
Peugeot Total Rally Cup (Czech Republic)
Dacia Sandero Cup (Spain)
Skoda Fabia Cup (Spain)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Iberia)
Suzuki Swift Cup (Spain)
Ford Fiesta Sport Trophy (Finland)
European Clio R3T Trophy (France)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Alps)
Renault Twingo R1 Cup (Italy)
European Clio R3T Trophy (Italy)
Suzuki Rally Trophy (Italy)
DS3 R1 Challenge (Portugal)
Dacia Cup (Romania)
Suzuki Cup (Romania)...
+Peugeot 208 R2 cup (Hungary)

[CWJ]

Junior WRC with Fiesta R2T is also an European-one-make-cup ;)

[Mirek]

Confirmation of Czech Opel Adam Cup, here is calendar:

Rally Kopná
Rally Vyškov
Rally Hustopeče (only 1st leg)
Barum Czech Rally Zlín (only 1st leg)
Rally Příbram (only 1st leg)
Rally Jeseníky

[Martin Liddle]

I don't post much in this forum so I hope this is on topic. The UK hasn't had a major one make series for some considerable number of years. I am interested to know what one make series are currently running elsewhere in Europe and the cost of a prepared vehicle for the series.

[Mirek]

Here in Czech republic we have Opel Adam Cup and Peugeot 208 Cup.

Opel Adam Cup is being run with cup cars, i.e. rather cheap cars with stock 1.6 140Hp engine but sequential gearbox etc. It's also held on shorter events (mainly events from Rallysprint series plus sometimes one leg of selected major events).

Peugeot 208 Cup is run with R2 cars and is therefore more expensive. It's also being held on the events of the national championship which are two days long.

I can't tell You about the costs though.

[Martin Liddle]

Opel Adam Cup is being run with cup cars, i.e. rather cheap cars with stock 1.6 140Hp engine but sequential gearbox etc. It's also held on shorter events (mainly events from Rallysprint series plus sometimes one leg of selected major events).

Thank you; that is interesting. How many entries is it attracting per event? Does somebody have a link to the technical regulation please? Is something similar running in other countries?



Peugeot 208 Cup is run with R2 cars and is therefore more expensive. It's also being held on the events of the national championship which are two days long.

R2 cars are less interesting (becuase of the costs) for my current purpose.

[Sulland]

Old thread on subject.
I chear the idea, good way to recruit new drivers.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?21102-One-Make-Cup-s

[Jarek Z]

Opel Adam Cup is also run in Germany. Apart from Germans, it has some international entries - at least from Finland and Poland. I know nothing about the costs.

[Sulland]

Fiesta ST 150 Trophy is being run in UK. Sensible cost picture.

https://www.facebook.com/fiestasttrophy/

[Mirek]

Thank you; that is interesting. How many entries is it attracting per event? Does somebody have a link to the technical regulation please? Is something similar running in other countries?

Here is the specification of the car (in German): https://www.opel-motorsport.com/rallye/adac-opel-rallye-cup/fahrzeug-technik/

Here in CZ it's being run by XTG Motorsport (in Czech): http://www.opel-motorsport.cz/

Usually there are around 6 cars per event but last year was better with some really good drivers (Kamenec, Tomaszczyk). In Germany it's around 20 crews. Don't know if this year Opel cup continues also in France where it was last year.

[Tom206wrc]

I think there's also a 208 cup in Hungary :confused:
But with quite a poor entry on it :mark:

[TWRC]

I think there's also a 208 cup in Hungary :confused:
But with quite a poor entry on it :mark:
There were plans for it, it was announced, but basically nobody entered. Instead, most of the 208s are used in the Rally2 championship. The situation is quite strange, as many of the crews who would enter don't have the money to compete in the ORB (that's why they're doing Rally2), but that's exactly where the cup is / would be. So either they bring down the cup to Rally2, or they scrap it next year, I think the latter is more likely unfortunately...

[vino_93]

No Tolis, no more Adam Cup in France since 2015.
Here we have 208 R2 Cup, Clio R3T Cup, Junior Cup (with National homologated Fiesta R2 "Light") and a cup with old cheap 206.

[janvanvurpa]

No Tolis, no more Adam Cup in France since 2015.
Here we have 208 R2 Cup, Clio R3T Cup, Junior Cup (with National homologated Fiesta R2 "Light") and a cup with old cheap 206.


Cher Vino do you or can you find details of the "primes" and the costs of those coupes? The great magazine "L'echappment" had a review of all the one make cups in an issue in 2002 and it covered all the "+" and "-" and costs and prizes and was very very eye opening..
I wish I could see details of the current climate..I read French OK, and used to speak it pretty good when I race 2 seasons in France a long time ago, so don't break your neck looking for English.
Thanks!

[vino_93]

Hello Janvanvurpa,

sorry for late answer. Hard for me to identify the costs unfortunately. But for the prices, here they are :

208 Rally Cup : for 7 round with 208 R2 in both tarmac and gravel championships :
prize money for top 10 of each round (6500-4000-3000-2000-1500-1200-1000-800-500-300).
If overall winner is less than 28 y/o : official Peugeot 208 T16 drive (ERC this year, it has been WRC2 too, depending on who and where Peugeot wants you).
Best junior (if not winner / if in top 5) (<23 y/o) : official 208 R2 drive
If winner is 28+ : one french gravel championship round in an official 208 T16
2nd : 8000; 3rd : 3000
Regulation : http://www.peugeot-sport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Reglement-Sportif-vis%C3%A9-C58-208-Rally-Cup-2017-.pdf


Clio R3T Trophy : 6 rounds with Clio R3T in french tarmac championship
Prize money for Top 15 in each round : 7000-5500-4000-3000-2500-2000-1500-1200-1000-900-800-700-600-500-400
First Junior : 1000 / First Women : 1000
Overall winner wins a Clio RS 200 EDC + I guess there is some official drive for MC to win european trophy ? not sure about that
Regulation : https://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf/trophe_e_clio_r3t_france_re_glement_sportif_2017_v isa_c29_maj_280217.pdf

Fiesta R2 : 6 rounds on both tarmac and gravel with a Fiesta R2 "Junior".
Prize money for Top 10 of each rounds : 2500-2000-1600-1300-1100-900-800-700-600-500 - only for junior drivers (<25 y/o) doing at least 2 rounds
Best junior driver : 5 rounds in WRC3 with a Fiesta R2 (I guess for JWRC ?).
The best non junior driver : one round in french championship with a R5
Regulation : http://www.ffsa.org/Documents/2017/R%C3%A8glement%20CFRJ%202017.pdf

Challenge N2S : 6 round with a 206 N2 "Série" in french cup
Prize : winner of the round : free entry for next round / 2nd : 2 tyres / 3rd : brake pad
Overall winner : one round in french championship with a PH Sport 208 R2
Regulation : http://www.rallyeacademie.com/img/cms/upload/challenge/reglement-sportif-Challenge-N2S-2017.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

I just discovered that this season in spanish Catalunya there's a cup called "Volant RACC" using a Peugeot 208 with the 3-cylinders Puretech engine running in N2 class :confused:

The cars are being prepared by Mavisa Sport(who created also years before, the Peugeot 107 cup, and then the Toyota Aygo cup in Spain)...

[Tom206wrc]

Birth in 2018 of the Peugeot Rally Cup Iberica :bounce:

Peugeot Portugal and Peugeot Spain allied their forces(together with portuguese team Sports & You)to create a cup(using the "classic" 208 R2 as only car)that will run 3 events in Spain and 3 events in Portugal(on gravel and on tarmac)... ;)

More détails to come soon...

Sources http://www.autosport.pt/ and http://ralisonline.net/pt

[CivEngine]

I just discovered that this season in spanish Catalunya there's a cup called "Volant RACC" using a Peugeot 208 with the 3-cylinders Puretech engine running in N2 class :confused:

The cars are being prepared by Mavisa Sport(who created also years before, the Peugeot 107 cup, and then the Toyota Aygo cup in Spain)...

Hi Tom,

As I'm from Catalonia I'm on a good position to give you more info about this one-make series. 'Volant RACC' is an old one-make cup with more than 30 years of history (since 1979) that had always run cars from Peugeot.

This year had been the first one with the 1.2 Puretech Peugeot 208. The overall winner has been Pep Bassas Jr (The son of the former Spanish champion Pep Bassas (R.I.P). As a reward Pep is gonna step up to BK R2 in the spanish national series.

Other great champions of Volant RACC has been, as an example, Mia Bardolet or Dani Solà. http://motorsport.racc.cat/volant-racc/catalunya-palmares.php

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks CivEngine ;)

[Rally Power]

Birth in 2018 of the Peugeot Rally Cup Iberica :bounce:
Peugeot Portugal and Peugeot Spain allied their forces(together with portuguese team Sports & You)to create a cup(using the "classic" 208 R2 as only car)that will run 3 events in Spain and 3 events in Portugal(on gravel and on tarmac)... ;)
More détails to come soon...
Sources http://www.autosport.pt/ and http://ralisonline.net/pt

Yep, it looks great, but Portuguese and Spanish ventures usually tend to fail (spain’s partners always wants to dominate them…). IMO it’d be more practical to have separate trophys in each country and make an Iberian cup final at the end of the season. We'll see.

[Daniel Popov]

What is the difference between the Fiesta R2's for the French Junior championship and the "standard" Fiesta R2?

[dupanton]

What is the difference between the Fiesta R2's for the French Junior championship and the "standard" Fiesta R2?

The engine is less powerfull. The rest is identical I think

[tommeke_B]

The engine is less powerfull. The rest is identical I think

Apart from the engine it's all identical yes. Only the engine is pretty much standard with only different mapping. It produces +-155hp (the R2 over 180). It makes it much cheaper to run, the kit price is around 25 000 euros (+ VAT). A standard 1.0 ecoboost Fiesta could be bought for around 13 000 euros (+ VAT) I think.

[CivEngine]

Yep, it looks great, but Portuguese and Spanish ventures usually tend to fail (spain’s partners always wants to dominate them…). IMO it’d be more practical to have separate trophys in each country and make an Iberian cup final at the end of the season. We'll see.

At least we'll give them a try, won't we? But if something similar at what you're describing finally happens then the other proposal it not seems bad to me!

[Sulland]

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/ford-fiesta-r2-national-chiffre/

how much slower are these compared to the thoroughbred Fiesta R2?


Apart from the engine it's all identical yes. Only the engine is pretty much standard with only different mapping. It produces +-155hp (the R2 over 180). It makes it much cheaper to run, the kit price is around 25 000 euros (+ VAT). A standard 1.0 ecoboost Fiesta could be bought for around 13 000 euros (+ VAT) I think.

[Mirek]

how much slower are these compared to the thoroughbred Fiesta R2?]

What do You expect as an answer?

[Sulland]

Aprox sec/km ss slower.

[Mirek]

Aprox sec/km ss slower.

Sulland, I think we discussed that already million times. There is never any such universal value. It's completely different on different stages, in different altitudes etc. The difference will be very small in Finland for example but much bigger on Corsica etc. Somebody may give You some number but what would it be good for You if it's let's say 0,2-0,4s/km? What would it tell You? Is it a lot or is it not? What does it mean a lot? IMHO such number for outsider is meaningless except as a curiosity.

[Sulland]

:p
Always fun Mirek.
The difference btw me and you is that you think like an engineer, and I think as someone btw a driver, spectator and a cup manager.

Imo Norway needs a cup again. It should be something like a R1+ or R2-. A car is more than hp.
R2 is about 20 000€, the french one about 40 000, and a full R2 fiesta 60 000.
A R1 with a 1000 ccm turbo engine on 140-150hp could maybe be about 25 000 as a cup car.
Frank Tore Larsen normally Fiesta R5 driver, drove a Fiesta R1 this weekend, and became 19 overall, just ahead of two Fiesta R2s. So driver capability matter.

I am thinking guesstimate/ ballpark figures, and always do. If same driver drove same ss in same conditions on same ss. What would the difference be, aprox pr km SS.

Life is like a box of chocolate.....

[Mirek]

I am thinking guesstimate/ ballpark figures, and always do. If same driver drove same ss in same conditions on same ss. What would the difference be, aprox pr km SS.

On Ouninpohja or on Col de Bleine? Likely the value will be double or tripple on these two stages alone ;)

[CWJ]

Opel ADAM Rallye Cup Germany 2018

20 cars, 10 Nations

https://forum.rallye-magazin.de/rallye-news/32417-nur-noch-sieben-deutsche-im-opel-cup.html

[Tom206wrc]

Great news about the Peugeot Cup Iberica(Spain/Portugal new cup)among the events on the calendar we have Portugal WRC and Catalunya WRC rallies :D

[Tom206wrc]

Return of the Peugeot Cup in UK on the 2018 BRC !!!! :D
The name of the new cup: Michelin Peugeot-Sport Cup ;)

Since the 206, Peugeot stopped their cup in Great-Britain, so it's many years of absence now...great news ;)

[Tom206wrc]

A Peugeot 208 Rally Cup in Hungary :confused:

http://www.autosforum.hu/autosport-autos-rendezvenyek/rallye/5710-peugeot-208-r2-rali-kupa.html

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=19662
Finally there will be a 208 Cup in CZ this year :confused:

By the way, except in France and UK it looks everywhere else the 208 cups will use Pirelli tyres this year...

[Tom206wrc]

British female rally driver Nabila Tejpar will run the new Peugeot Iberica cup :)

[Tom206wrc]

21 crews on entrylist of the first season of the Peugeot Rally Cup Iberica :bounce:

[TheFlyingTuga]

And here they are

[Sulland]

What are the experiences with the Fiesta R2 National used in France?
Is a good car starting a carreer in?

But a bit strange to choose a german car over a french one....

[dupanton]

What are the experiences with the Fiesta R2 National used in France?
Is a good car starting a carreer in?

But a bit strange to choose a german car over a french one....

I'm codriving in one this weekend, will let you know then ;)

Opel is stopping the production of the Adam Cup car. The cup might continue under ADAC, but not with Opel involvement anymore. So no works seat for the winner anymore next year.

[Tom206wrc]

But a bit strange to choose a german car over a french one....


Because neither Renault, nor Citroën and Peugeot wanted to be involved in the FFSA Junior championship anymore I guess :confused:

[dupanton]

What are the experiences with the Fiesta R2 National used in France?
Is a good car starting a carreer in?

But a bit strange to choose a german car over a french one....

My impressions about the car:
First of all, it was very wet and muddy. Relatively unexperienced driver, had never driven the car in the wet.
Engine: 3 cylinder 1l turbo, almost stock. Weakest point of the car. With the R2 sequential gearbox (great gearbox) the car always falls to low in revs when shifting up. Therefore, you have a lot of turbo lag after shifting (+-2s before the turbo really kicks in). In first gear you even need to clutch kick to really get going, especially at the start. And that on flat Belgian stages, not even in the hills or mointains. I think the car is horrible in the mountains...
Suspension: Pretty good. Basic and not adjustable, but solid. Not much understeer (apart from the real muddy places), slight oversteer at high speed. Maybe on dry roads and closer to the limit, it will be better to judge.
Brakes: good brakes, everything you need.

All in all, decent car, good to get first experience with. But we were competing in the class with R2 cars and home made 1600 group A cars. We weren't really competive against those. There were a few Adam Cup cars too, and I think they have a better engine (judging by how they got off the line). Although I haven't been in the Adam cup car yet, I feel that might be the better choice unless you want to compete in the French cup.

If any other questions, don't hesitate to pm ;)

[PLuto]

I think turbo engines for this small cars are not suitable for rally.

[Mirek]

I think turbo engines for this small cars are not suitable for rally.

Why? They are well suitable. They just need at least some modifications due to emissions/fuel consumption optimization of the stock units. The naturally aspirated engines still on the market are much worse for racing use (Mazda or Toyota engines for example).

The point is that turbo engine optimized for emissions and fuel consumption can be tuned to be good for racing. Naturally aspirated engine working in Atkinson's cycle hardly.

By the way the turbine in 1.0 EcoBoost has something like 35 mm in diameter (I have it on the desk). I think that with some ECU modifications this engine shall not have an issue with turbo lag.

[PLuto]

It is boring to watch and boring to drive :)

[Mirek]

There is no other option so...

[PLuto]

Yes, that is the biggest problem...

[Rally Power]

Peugeot 208 Iberica Cup will continue next year, with events taking place in Portugal and Spain. The calendar wasn’t revealed but it’s already known it will start in the first round of the Portuguese series (Rali Serras de Fafe) in mid February and may take again the initial legs of Portugal and Catalunya WRC events.

[tommeke_B]

I disagree that these turbo cars are boring to watch. I like the 1.0T more than the older generation Fiesta R2 with 1.6N/A. I've always liked watching the Fiesta R2T's in JWRC, or in Belgium, or even in France with their junior trophy (where they're less powerful). I think the new generation Fiesta R2 is going to surprise us in a positive way... :)

[Tom206wrc]

Peugeot 208 Iberica Cup will continue next year, with events taking place in Portugal and Spain. The calendar wasn’t revealed but it’s already known it will start in the first round of the Portuguese series (Rali Serras de Fafe) in mid February and may take again the initial legs of Portugal and Catalunya WRC events.


First round next Week in Portugal(rali Serras de Fafe) ;)

[Got Mail]

Surprised to see Eerik Pietarinen as an entry in the ADAC Adam Cup...

[pantealex]

Surprised to see Eerik Pietarinen as an entry in the ADAC Adam Cup...

He has almost 0 tarmac experience or is it gravel cup ?

(rallied with 208R5 in Italy)

[Got Mail]

He has almost 0 tarmac experience or is it gravel cup ?

(rallied with 208R5 in Italy)

German Tarmac.

[Tom206wrc]

Like for the belgian championship last year, Stellantis will organize a cup in France this season, gathering the Peugeot 208 Rally 4 and Opel Corsa Rally 4 :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Rather nice entrylist at the belgian Stellantis Cup this coming weekend at the Rallye Lëtzebuerg(Luxemburg) :D

11 crews, and Belgian Sébastien Bédoret joins the cup in a Corsa, and will have to face the germanic drivers Julian Wagner and Marijan Griebel...fight will be...interesting :crazy:

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/iberiancup_tgr/status/1595123849645158400

[Tom206wrc]

Surprise for 2024 in Portugal and Spain :eek:

The current Peugeot Cup Iberica will be completed with the Desafio Peugeot(in Spain)and the Peugeot Cup Portugal !!! :confused:

Five rounds of both championships for each new cup ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Official, next season, Lancia creates in italian championship(CIRA)a new cup with Ypsilon HF Rally4 as cars... :)

The winner of the cup will be official driver in ERC 2WD in 2026 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently the Peugeot Cup CZ is over this year, no 2025 cup :confused:

It doesn't surprise me, so few entries this season, should be the explanation... :rolleyes:

[TWRC]

In Hungary, there will be another Peugeot Cup, the Peugeot Academy, in the 2nd tier national championship. It will be using the new "Rally6" 208 from France (national homolgation number: FR6). Registration fee is 750 EUR. The winner will win a supported entry for the ORB's "big" Peugeot cup for 2026, with 2 rallies paid by the importer and the ASN.

[PLuto]

Apparently the Peugeot Cup CZ is over this year, no 2025 cup :confused:

It doesn't surprise me, so few entries this season, should be the explanation... :rolleyes:

Explanation is that Peugeot Sport stopped supporting the Cup financially and czech dealer of Peugeot is not interested to pay it by themselves...

[Andre Oliveira]

No Clio Trophy in Belgium too.
And it looks, TGR Iberian will be only TGR Spain in 2025.

[Andre Oliveira]

PAST RALLY3 TROPHY IBERIA is here!

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- Number of Rallies: 6
- Location: Spain and Portugal
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* Tyres per event
* MMR Bikes per event
* Additional Prizes for Junior Drivers

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[Tom206wrc]

Calendar Trofeo Lancia 2025 ;)

1- Rally Targa Florio(the cup starts in may)
2- Rally Due Valli
3- Rally di Roma Capitale
4- Rally del Lazio
5- Rally Sanremo

Apparently the first scheduled event(Rally del Alba in april)has been cancelled because it'll be the first round of the Junior CIRA(running on Clio Rally5)I didn't really understand what the problem was exactly :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

No Clio Trophy in Belgium too.
And it looks, TGR Iberian will be only TGR Spain in 2025.

But the belgian Stellantis cup will continue this season :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

The portuguese federation(FPAK)decided to replace their Kia Picantos by the brandnew Peugeot 208 Racing(RC6/Rally6)for their Junior trophy(running on the portuguese rally championship) :cool:

[Andre Oliveira]

Same as in Hungary.

Renault announced their Clio Rally6 too.

[Tom206wrc]

The new Lancia Ypsilon Rally4 also enters the belgian Stellantis Rally Cup this season :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Official at the Stellantis cup in France: this season, four of the six events will have another cup running in the same time for the 208 Rally6/RC6 :cool:

The winner of the Rally6 season will drive the Rally4 in 2026 ;)

The Lancia Ypsilon is authorized to enter the french Stellantis cup too... :)

[Tom206wrc]

Belgian talent Joachim Wagemans orients his career in a cup this season, but he didn't chose the Stellantis Rally Cup Belux...instead he will drive in Italy the new Trofeo Lancia(with italian Baldon Rally Team) :cool:

There will be 40 cars in may(Targa Florio)with 25 drivers under 35y/o in the first outing ;)

[PLuto]

Belgian talent Joachim Wagemans orients his career in a cup this season, but he didn't chose the Stellantis Rally Cup Belux...instead he will drive in Italy the new Trofeo Lancia(with italian Baldon Rally Team) :cool:

There will be 40 cars in may(Targa Florio)with 25 drivers under 35y/o in the first outing ;)

Wagemans is still competing?

[Tom206wrc]

Wagemans is still competing?

http://www.rallyeslalom.com/joachim-wagemans-al-via-del-trofeo-lancia/

;)