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Stalks

3rd November 2009, 19:39

I could have sworn earlier in the year that the portfolio for next was due out about now?
After the debacle that was this years effort, one would like to think the powers that be could have it 'tweaked' by now. But then again, with the Taxi racing starting this weekend, no doubt the big wigs will be present for that - all claiming what a roaring success it is....

Back to the NZRC though...the whisper that ALL crews are now required to use HANS devices seems a bit rough. I'm not denying the safety aspect of them (although I personally don't think the HANS is the best for Rallying), but if the rule is taken to the 'enth degree, it surely means new seats, belts, helmets and Hans devices for each car. What's the dollar value on that? $10k?
Even if you can get away with your existing seats and belts, new helmets and Hans is still $6k per car.
For people like the Camerons that won the Classic class this year, that's probably half their budget for the whole year!

Looking form the other side (MSNZ's side), are they actually liable if someone involved in an accident suffers serious damage to themselves?
This would then perhaps go someway to explaining the nanny state they are imposing on the competitors.
If not, then why are they hell bent on making it harder and more expensive to get into their 'elite' series?

Where are the young fella's these days, the likes of James Holder? Gone, presumably for one reason - it's not possible to do it on wages anymore. (it's obviously possible to do it by racking bills up everywhere and not paying them though).

Perhaps a control tyre will go someway to reduce costs. It looks like they are going to run Kumhos in the Aussie championship next year. Interesting choice considering the other brands available on the market. Our first choice would no doubt be Dunlops, but one would like to think that if a control tyre was floated, it would go to tender, and the result would be a decision based on cost, availability & durability.
At the moment a Dunlop is just over $300 a corner, so for a two day rally (some of which should really be a one day rally, but don't get me started on that), if the big boys put a set on at every service, they would probably get through 4 to 6 sets for the weekend. $4800 - $7200. Ridiculous money.

At the start of each season it is always a surprise to see the entry numbers supposedly grow (according to Crunch, every year is the best shape the championship has ever been in), but in fact from 2004 the registered entries have fallen every year in the top class.

Looking forward to the portfolio, and the entries rolling in....

sollitt

3rd November 2009, 20:46

Stalks, the 2010 NZRC portfolio was signed off by the Executive 2 weeks and it is all ready to go out pending clarification from the FIA about who can, or cannot, be an entrant in RNZ next year. Expected to be resolved within the week.
Additionally, as recently as yesterday, the FIA altered the APRC calendar moving Indonesia to the date scheduled for NZRC final round, Rally Wairarapa, necessitating this conflict be looked into with a view to moving that event.
I only learnt of that at 8pm last night so we're onto that now.
Another fly in the ointment due to this late change is the placement of the regional PSD final which has been attended by a number of Kiwi's. But we're told we won't have that information until February so we have to move forward making assumptions on that.
Expect the portfolio out within the next 2 weeks.

Your other matters are very valid. One, in particular, I am quite hot on.

I'm not sure how many Kiwi's follow this forum anymore. You might have been better posting it on onlinemotorsport if you want to invoke discussion.

Stalks

13th November 2009, 03:39

Hi Bruce. Is the 2 weeks up yet for the portfolio? probably....

Be interesting to see if the WRC event is part of the championship in 2010 and beyond. If you have time to crawl your way through the possible updates for WRC rallies it might interest you to hear that the powers that be are apparently deciding whether or not to enforce a new rule for WRC events - a one make / style of helmet to be compulsory for all competitors.
I kid you not here, and it is supposedly going to be the Stilo full face Carbon Fibre stack hat as seen adorning Mr Loebs head for the last wee while.
Running out the door at a measley $1900 euro's it's a steal really. And while everyone will be asking how can they do that? The answer is simple, they already did it with the tyres, so why not helmets?

Wonder if Crunch can bolt a chin strap onto his already illegal helmet and paint it black....no one will notice surely....

Comal

14th November 2009, 20:16

Stalks you have some valid points.
I too have been watching about the new helmet regs with 'interest' for WRC. It's not one make, it's just that Stilo are the only ones that have a rally helmet that complies at present, and yes at a ridiculous price!
Mal

raybak

15th November 2009, 08:27

Would be a shame for them to stipulate a full face helmet. As a codriver I use a Stilo but open face. Have tried to use a full face but it's quite awkward.

Ray

sollitt

20th November 2009, 03:01

Yes, and yes. The 2 weeks is up (just) and I am aware of the FIA proposed helmet for WRC events.

The hold up in the portfolio will be due to me, and my committee, considering a number of alternate dates for Wairarapa. Each option has it's own fishooks and we are meeting on Monday to determine when this should/can run.
There has also been some lobbying in respect of the safety gear issue and this cannot be resolved whilst some Executive people are offshore.
As long as these matters can be decided in a timely fashion it's best to have this information accurate in the portfolio don't you think?

Rally NZ is a round of the 2010 NZRC presently. Should the helmet specification be enforced the discussion could get interesting.

crunch

1st February 2010, 08:36

Stalks, whoever you are.
As I seem to be the target of your anger, I shall correct your assumptions
1. My Stilo is not illegal it has another couple of years to run. You should not listen to gossip and maybe read the rules
2. Portfolio has been held up as Bruce as explained. Although I did see the final copies getting ready for posting in the MSNZ office on Wednesday. Try the website.
3. New WRC helmet standards will not apply for Rally NZ in 2010
4. HANs device is not compulsory except for Group N (same as last year) and Open class 4WD (most already have it) As for having to buy a new helmet for HANs, again...read the rulebook.
5. Numbers have not decreased since 2004. Guessing THis year will probably see the same as last. Can provide the stats if you ring me.
6, If you are a competitor with genuine concerns contact me and I will try to fix them. (06) 3564058 or 021 2503055. If you just want to continue taking anon potshots, then at least be sure of your facts
Cheers
Raymond Bennett

crunch

1st February 2010, 08:41

About 5 years ago, MSNZ was looking at introducing a control tyre that had gone to tender, but it recieved a resounding thumbs down from registered NZRC competitors at the time.
To try to reintroduce would only be worthwhile if it can with a significant sponsorship income AND a $$$ benefit to the competitor.
MSNZ will continue to try to control the numbers of tyres used.

crunch

1st February 2010, 10:29

Sorry Stalks, just re-read my first message and it's not intended to sound as agressive as it reads.

Stalks

3rd February 2010, 00:46

Hi Crunch. Thanks for your always informative replies.
As the original post was some three months ago now, most of the questions raised have been sorted and released....but good of you to jump in all guns blazing. Would have expected nothing less.

Re the Hans & helmet rules, I have read them several times and keep finding the same result. Even if you Google it you will find it is now not FIA compliant to retro fit Hans posts to your existing helmet at home with a cordless drill. The Helmet must be returned to the manufacturer or a local authorised dealer to be done. This is even if the helmet was purchased with the holes pre-drilled from the factory, but the posts were not fitted.
If you find a ruling to the contrary please post the link.

Would love to see your stats on entry numbers since '04.

I know the control tyre idea was floated 5 years ago. Why would it have to come with significant sponsorship income? Couldn't it just be cheaper tyres for everyone?
Were the competitors actually canvassed at that time? Were they told of the manufacturer who was most interested?
If it didn't work 5 years ago, does that mean it can't work now?

In the last 2 years there have been some decisions made by the powers that be regarding classes, and some classes have been canned at the end of it. At the time apparently 'all the competitors were canvassed and this is what they wanted'.
Turned out the leading drivers in the class's concerned hadn't even been spoken to. Just because someone tells you they have all been asked doesn't actually mean they have Crunch. Ask the competitors yourself.

Anyway, looks like a good season, I believe entries will be up this year in Group N, lets hope the Fiesta's can find some more entries, and the Classics too. Maybe I'll even come back one day.....

crunch

3rd February 2010, 02:58

Stalks,

Send me an email and I will send the statistics and Hans info required.

When the competitors were asked regarding a control tyre, it was at a competitors forum, so I did ask face-to-face.
The tyre reps in NZ weren't exactly falling over themselves to get a deal as I understand that our market is too small.

I do try to contact all parties involved personally on most issues, or rely on the sports elected officials to inform me as a result of surveys they have conducted amongst user groups.

I have real concerns regarding numbers of competitors for APRC this year.
The challenge is how to make it more affordable(attractive) to our NZRC competitors as the next step up. Been working on that for years.....

Stalks

3rd February 2010, 20:04

Send me an email and I will send the statistics and Hans info required.

Crunch, this thread has had over 1500 views. Maybe there are a few people out there who would like to see the Hans info also. Not just Nat Champ competitors. Please post the link for the info.

I have real concerns regarding numbers of competitors for APRC this year.
The challenge is how to make it more affordable(attractive) to our NZRC competitors as the next step up. Been working on that for years.....

How about making our national championship more affordable and attractive for the regional competitors to step up to?
Things like putting the price of a International license up by 2.5 times the amount for a national license doesn't help much.

crunch

3rd February 2010, 20:18

Don't have a link, have two documents(PDF) file. They are from the from the FIA website . So if you wish to remain anon and not give me your email, look there.
As you should know the rise in Licence cost (your quote of 2.5 times incorrect) was as a result of the Annual Conference voting unamiously for it so the funds could be put in place for the final stage of the on-line system.
If you didn't know that; then maybe talk to your club's representative at the AGCM.

As for making it cheaper...how? without compromising the structure and coverage that the NZRC gets at the moment. Many people want more coverage and that comes at a cost.
Vehicle eligibility is fairly open now for both 2WD and 4WD as long as your vehicle is no more than 10 years? old.

If you have suggestions, and wish to remain anon, suggest you contact the Chairman of the Rally Commission.
Maybe check out the Towards 2015 document on the MSNZ website as that may well answer some of your questions, and possibly raise a few more!

Cheers
Crunch

Stalks

3rd February 2010, 20:49

As you should know the rise in Licence cost (your quote of 2.5 times incorrect)
Read it again. I didn't say the price had gone up 2.5 times. It's 2.5 times dearer than a National license, which used to be sufficient to do the NZRC.

crunch

4th February 2010, 00:07

The reason we have to have an International Licence is because 2 or the 5 rounds of the NZRC are international events (WRC and APRC)
So if you are committed to the Championship, you would have to have this Licence.

The extra cost in this Licence is due to FIA permit fees, personnel requirements on event etc.

sollitt

4th February 2010, 19:59

To commit any resource to the APRC is to flog a horse that's been dead for 10 years or more.
Far better to advance a trans Tasman competition for those few with the larger budgets to compete against their equals from Aus and to pitch the NZRC to a more domestic level of competitor.

There are many ways to reduce the cost of the NZRC and reducing the television coverage might well be one of them.
As administrators it is our role to ensure the sport's accessability to as many competitors as possible and to allow the promotion of the few to inhibit the options of the many is to be derelict in our duty.

The portfolio requires international licences only for the 2 FIA events, which is as it should be, but it is a shame that the same consideration wasn't applied in respect of costly "safety" apparell.
That would be another way to reduce cost.

As for the licences themselves. To need an international licence to contest an event on our own shores is a crock. The requirement for international licences ought be reserved for competitors competing internationally. But that's not something that will ever change.

An FIA international event doesn't "require" more personnel at all. More people might well be prescribed but that's a totally different thing.

Stalks

4th February 2010, 20:45

Do the Kiwi 2 and classic drivers have to have the International license also, if they are running at the APRC event, albeit in the 'clubmans' division?

crunch

4th February 2010, 21:12

Hi Bruce
As recently as last night I saw a list of requirements for a WRC event.
On it were included many extra personnel that we dont use for a NZRC round.

The idea of a Trans Tasman Series is a good one, but not a new one.
In the 1990's I competed in the Tasman Cup which was over the International events held in each country. That died solely due to the costs involved and secondly; the "value" of that particular title from a competitor point of view.

The one main attraction of APRC to NZRC competitors in NZ, is the fact it is an FIA title.
But I digress; over the last 2 years there have been discussions between MSNZ and CAMS on a semi-regular basis about establishing a series that would use 2 rounds of each domestic national championship towards an overall title. Factors that have caused some thought include date compatibilities, shipping schedules, each individual events requirements and so on.
We need to be mindful we don't create another APRC costwise!
Also a factor that needs to be considered is the current FIA Pacific Cup which runs over 3 events in Aust, NZ and New Caledonia. Should something be instigated that runs against this. ALternatively, as the support for this not being good, is that an indication of the support for a Tasman Series?

I know what my preference is as I suggested the Tasman Cup revitalisation 3 years ago to the exec, but that is MY preference as a competitor, and it may not suit either or both of the ASN's involved

Stalks

4th February 2010, 22:05

Do the Kiwi 2 and classic drivers have to have the International license also, if they are running at the APRC event, albeit in the 'clubmans' division?

Found that they don't.
Also found this regarding apparel for kiwi 2 and the classics.

18.2 In all Special Stages Kiwi 2 and Historic Challenge competitors shall wear either safety apparel in compliance with requirements of 18.1 above or Schedule A.
Note: Competitors in Kiwi 2 and the Historic Challenge are advised that the use of Head restraint devices will be mandatory for all competitors in the NZRC in the 2011 season.

So at this stage Kiwi 2 and Classic competitors only have to wear schedule A apparel.

sollitt

5th February 2010, 00:13

My point Crunch is that your list of WRC requirements is a 'prescription', not necessarily indicative of a 'need'.

No, a trans Tasman competition is not a new idea. I might be good but I've never claimed a monopoly on good ideas.
But neither is the idea that I spoke of either a revitalisation of the old Tasman Cup or an NZRC/ARC bolt on such as the concept you've described.
I am aware that MNZ & CAMS have been talking. I wonder though whether before those discussions commenced if it wouldn't have been an idea to talk to the sport to see what it wants.

We can see the attraction of the FIA title simply by the numbers who choose to contest it.

Comal

5th February 2010, 03:48

Crunch I am very interested to read of this info you have on retrofitting HANS posts and as such have posted a PM to you with my email address, hopefully then I can get a computer geek mate to post a link here or something. As Stalks stated would think there is a lot of interest in it.
How about the fact entrants licenses tripled in price!!! I would also be interested how many competitors who held onto their international license but didn't currently use it now revert back to a National?
Also Crunch, you do know that the portfolio has been on the net since early December? Not sure what you were talking about it being due to come out any time now?

crunch

5th February 2010, 06:59

Yes Mal, it has been on the website.
The ones that are being sent out this week are the hardcopies as I mentioned.
They will go to previous registrants and others that have contacted the office for one.
Have sent the email to the address you gave

Comal

7th February 2010, 19:33

Hey Crunchie ol boy!
Thanks for the emailing the info, had a read and was very interesting, although one of the documents you sent through has an updated version on FIA site which now states that for non priority drivers in a WRC event (eg. RNZ) that anchorages (HANS posts) must be manufacturer fitted.
For anyone interested, links to documents Crunch sent -these are large files!!

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... S_2007.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/D05EDB3E8EF2FB81C12573150041C255/$FILE/Guide_HANS_2007.pdf)

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... system.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/752EE553E41CBEDAC12576B200675AE1/$FILE/L29_approved_Hans_system.pdf)

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... dessin.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/DA4EBD1874F4BF20C12576BD0052F55A/$FILE/10.02.01_Annexe%20L%202010_cor.orthographe%20dessi n.pdf)

I hope I have done the links correctly.
The last one is the one that has changed. The table at 3.2 is where to look.

PEEEWWW

sollitt

7th February 2010, 22:28

Your last link didn't work. To make it work you need to remove the space in the word 'dessin' at the end.

Stalks

8th February 2010, 08:01

Am waiting for the 'that rule doesn't apply to us because.....'

1) I don't interpret it that way
2) We don't always follow the FIA rules
3) It's only for Loeb and Hirvonen and their mates
4) The NZRC part of Rally NZ is run under a different set of rules

Well if that's the case then good, but can it be made clear?
It's cool if we don't have to run under all the FIA rules for Rally NZ, and if it helps out in a situation like this - but how come we have to run the control tyres then?

crunch

8th February 2010, 08:44

Not sure what you means Stalks.

Basically the HANs thing is the wording in the regs, the key ones being "strongly recommend".
The question that Mal has asked is what is a non-priority driver?
I'm trying to find that in the FIA definitions as that is the only bit of paper to believe.

Am taking my LEGAL helmet to be painted this week, again "not recommended" by the FIA..be allowed

Comal

8th February 2010, 19:02

Ok so where Crunch and I are now umm, having a point of difference is that the table in appendix L talks about WRC non-priority 1 or 2 drivers. If it was only for priority 3 drivers it would state this as it does with regards to other items in FIA regs. NZRC competitors will fall into this category for RNZ is my understanding (also understand that will include Open class which can run under new FIA rules), as we will all be non-priority drivers!
As Stalks says we run under the same permit etc for RNZ.

Stalks

9th February 2010, 22:08

Good article here about Kuhmo tyres in the Aussie championship. Interesting reading how much they are per tyre, approx $280 cheaper per set than our leading supplier. Soon adds up.
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4455&Itemid=2

Stalks

10th February 2010, 19:01

Bruce, what are the regs on the NZRC classic cars running Avgas? I understood that if the car had a COD it could run Av - but at least one car has been told it can not.

sollitt

10th February 2010, 22:21

This was raised, not for the first time, with the Commission only a couple of days ago.
My understanding is that the NZRC Portfolio over rules all other regulation in that regard and any Sched RH Historic car entered in the NZRC Historic Challenge must run with unleaded fuel as is the case with all other NZRC categories.

Rally Hokkaido

11th February 2010, 07:47

We are bringing two N3 Hondas from Japan to compete in the 2010 NZRC. As our driver of the second car doesn't have enough budget to do so, we are looking for a driver to run it in Round 2 (either the WRC Rally New Zealand or the piggy-backed Possum Bourne Memorial Rally).
The would really suit a local crew who can assist us with servicing & logistics
(plus a little money!).
BTW, Round 2b (PBMR) is scheduled to be run over Day 2 of RNZ, though I have heard it may be possible for Rd 2b crews to actually 'compete' on the other days, too. Can anyone confirm how this would work? Entry fee?

Comal

11th February 2010, 23:46

You can indeed compete in all 3 days of the event without running in the FIA event. Suggest you contact Paul at Rally NZ office and will supply you all the exact details.

Look forward to seeing you out here, if need any assistance feel free to ask.

Mal

Stalks

12th February 2010, 00:18

We are bringing two N3 Hondas from Japan to compete in the 2010 NZRC. As our driver of the second car doesn't have enough budget to do so, we are looking for a driver to run it in Round 2 (either the WRC Rally New Zealand or the piggy-backed Possum Bourne Memorial Rally).
The would really suit a local crew who can assist us with servicing & logistics
(plus a little money!).

I'm available to drive it, but fear Crunch won't co drive for me cos I may have baited him a bit hard now and then...shame really, it would have given us time to have a good chat about things....

sollitt

12th February 2010, 02:03

I could have co-driven for you Stalks. I did a bit of that back in the 70's you know, and I'm much lighter than Crunch. But alas, I have an aversion to all things Honda and come out in a dreadful rash if I'm within 3 feet of one.

Rally Hokkaido, I presume that you've been in touch with the NZRC promoters and have checked out the eligibility of overseas participants?

Stalks

12th February 2010, 02:14

That's very kind of you Bruce.
I have done a bit of co-driving myself, so maybe I could drive and co-drive at the same time? After all, they are mostly just glory hunters anyway, and think of the weight, fuel and tyre savings!
PS I have seen one of the Toyota's being built, in the flesh. It is good motivation to get back into the shed and get assembling....

Rally Hokkaido

12th February 2010, 07:38

Thanks for all the advice, everyone. I have been in touch with Paul at the RNZ Office, though not all the individual promoters, yet. And Bruce, I can bring out some cream for that rash of yours. I suffer from no such reaction from your brand of choice, having raced a Starlet over here for several seasons. Though I must confess I haven't driven any of the newer models that apparently require a unique type of heel and toe technique with the pedals....lol

Those interested in a drive of our second car, please PM or email me.
Email address is: [email:3f8lg9km]tokachinter@gmail.com[/email:3f8lg9km]

crunch

15th February 2010, 23:51

Stalks, would have enjoyed the "chin-wag" in the car to solve all the problems of Rallying, I'm sure we could have done it it two days no problem!
However I'm already commited to another year of NZRC (my 15th NZRC and 30th Rallying) with yet another very talented youngster...BUT I am being somewhat stilted by having to sit in a Sub!! Still as you get older you become more understanding of other people's preferences, unusual as they may be.
I mean to say;....Bruce and early model Toyota Prius's , Comal and his hair regain potions, which is more unusual??

I am always available to talk to while at the event, best time probably is during recce.

Stalks

16th February 2010, 02:14

Do you have a team manager this year Crunch? Maybe I could do that....?

Comal

16th February 2010, 04:12

What you hunting for some glory Mr Stalks???
Would be umm 'amusing' to see you and Crunch on the same team!

Perhaps if you spent more time in the shed instead of on here car would be finished? haha

Comal

21st February 2010, 07:58

Well not much happening in here. Sounds like will be a big field in NZRC this year according to the rumors, of course we will see at Otago. 40 across the classes?

Stalks

21st February 2010, 08:29

Plenty happening Comal... Have my CV in for several TOP running teams this year!
I read that The Stig, or Mr Talent himself was looking for a co-driver, so slipped my 'expression of interest' in the mail. Apparently the right applicant needs to bring more than themselves to the team...wasn't 100% sure what that was about, so I've volunteered Crunch to come with me - he can either take over the co-driving if I find more important stuff to do, or he can just turn up and eat all the pies....

Anywho...agree it will be jam packed at the first round in the land rover class....but not sure on Fiesta's or classics numbers?

crunch

21st February 2010, 19:46

40 might be a bit of an "over-estimation" going on the current numbers of registrations recieved.
I really hope the Fiesta class produces the same numbers and excitement as last year.

crunch

21st February 2010, 19:47

Quote..."bring more than themselves.." actually means bring $$$?

Stalks

21st February 2010, 20:18

Thought it might have been a suggestion to bring the lunches? Or your own sleeping bag....?
Pity it doesn't mention what car or class you might be running in. If it's a Fiesta that prob only takes the numbers to 3? Is that enough to run a class?

Stalks

10th March 2010, 19:04

Registrations trickling in now.

http://www.nzrallychamps.co.nz/pages/registrations.html

Wonder what impact if any this will have -

http://ralliart.com/10topics/100310.html

Is it relating to Ralliart Europe (that prepared the works cars etc), or to the Ralliart company that manufactures and supplies parts for competition?

Comal

16th March 2010, 21:00

Stalks

17th March 2010, 19:45

Kelsey co driver was probably Roger Davis. Pity they didn't get to do the run offs. Doesn't help when a competitor waves 3 or 4 others down even tho his car is safely off the racing line, causing the tow truck to enter the stage, and losing a good half hour in the process...

Championship registrations up to 34, might hit the 40 mark after all. 3 Fiesta's now with Dermot?

ProRally

17th March 2010, 19:57

I am going over too, don't want to miss 40th edition of Rally NZ, will be my 7th Rally NZ... hope that it will go on for much longer.

Rally Hokkaido

18th March 2010, 13:21

You guys still heading over??? Haven't seen your championship entry yet.

87.55% chance we'll be there. Some important details to sort out this weekend. There's also a strong possibility that the second car will now be driven by a NZ driver with a solid record in FWD cars!

Comal

18th March 2010, 19:04

Good to hear!!

Is it Mr Stalks driving an co-driving in the second car? Know a couple that would be great in the car but alas $$$$ eg Justin Glavish

Stalks

23rd March 2010, 19:02

Nope, not me Comal. I like the driving wheels to be at all corners, or just the rear ones....

Crunchie, have you shifted the rattle gun in that car of yours for this year?

crunch

24th March 2010, 20:38

I have no intention of even touching the rattle gun this year as that would mean changing a tyre in the stage and I am too old to get my hands dirty, or indeed...to bend over that far!!
However; young Alex is keen and he could change the tyre while I will do what we co-drivers are good at. That is;...walk down the road and put the triangle out and hold the OK sign and time my return back to the car just as the boot is closing!
THAT is called time management which is what a co-drivers job is....

Stalks

24th March 2010, 21:56

Fair enough. I was actually wondering if you shifted it due to the FIA's new rule that it cannot be within reach of the co-driver or driver. Apparently it has to be under the seat, or only accessible once you have got out of the car. It's meant to stop driver / co driver loosening their belts to get equipment ready to change a wheel during a stage before the car has stopped.

While you're here though, is it true that a couple of the NZRC Classic cars have to withdraw from the championship due to not having their COD in time for Otago?
Would be a shame. I suspect a few people only got their act together and entered because people like Juddy had also entered. With him gone will the others still commit? Hope so.

crunch

24th March 2010, 23:32

Not sure about the COD's for Otago. Haven't heard anything so I would assume thats an urban myth.

Didn't know Jeff wasn't going to be there??

Stalks

25th March 2010, 00:07

Jeff's is one of the cars that the COD will not be completed in time for Otago. Without it he has been told he can't run.
There is an Escort in the same predicament.

As for assuming, we know what that usually ends up doing....

crunch

25th March 2010, 01:41

As there are only two people on the Schedule RH COD panel, and I'm one, I have yet to be advised of anyhting.
If they haven't been completed in time, they cannot run, however there is less than a 24 hour turn-around at the panel end as long as the forms are filled out correctly.

Therefore if the COD is not going to be ready in time, I would humbly suggest that is not the fault of MSNZ.
I have told Jeff to contact me to ensure there is no delay in the form processing, he has not contacted me as yet.

SO if you know Jeff and the Escort driver concerned, I would suggest that maybe you could get them to contact me tonight on (06) 3564058 as I'm off to Tauranga tomorrow for the weekend.

Stalks

30th March 2010, 03:49

So in the end there were three cars Crunch? Good to hear they will all more than likely be there after all.

Can we do pickems now??

smokin'joe

31st March 2010, 10:07

Stalks, if one of the Escorts is the one i'm thinking of. i believe it is more than COD that is an issue.

Stalks

31st March 2010, 23:15

Ah, the elderly gentleman's one?

smokin'joe

1st April 2010, 21:22

Ah, the elderly gentleman's one?
now that'a a polite way of calling someone a dottery ol' git!!

crunch

1st April 2010, 23:10

CODs approved for Rabb and Ross Escorts and Judd Chevette

Comal

5th April 2010, 21:17

My picks Emma, Hawkemonster, Mason

Bigdiggerman

6th April 2010, 02:26

Where's the self confidence Mal!!

Comal

6th April 2010, 06:06

Apparently I have too much of that anyways!!! :)

Stalks

9th April 2010, 00:09

A couple of bent Evo X's after shake down yesterday may have knocked a bit of confidence off those competitors.
Seems like it will be fine over the weekend, may be sun strike and dust will be factors in the early stages each day. Probably road position 5 through 10 is the best spot - with out dust of course.

Podium - Westy, Hawkeswood & Emma - but not sure in which order!

Stalks

12th April 2010, 04:23

Bah - my podium was looking good until stage 14!
Otago rally always manages a sting in the tail, this year was no different. Emma & Mason were over a minute behind on Saturday, and yet come Sunday they were both on the podium. The old story of having to finish I suppose...

Crunch had a short rally, blown engine by the sounds.

A bit of carnage throughout the rally too, Smithy's stage one effort, Untenbergers vs the scenery, and rally leader Stew Taylor's engine took a gulp of water in, as did Dave Strongs S2000 Fiesta.

Glen Smiths crash here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSAHMf8Qqcs

Crunch, can you point out Recce car rules & regulations for us please? I can't seem to find them on MSNZ site. Ta.

sollitt

12th April 2010, 07:51

Yes, this sport can be cruel at times. Good runs by Westy & Andrew certainly deserved better.

I don't know that there are universal regulations for recce that you'll find anywhere. As far as I know those events which run recce prepare their own albeit likely copied from someone else's.
If I recall correctly we adapted Otago's some years ago to suit our own situation.

Stalks

12th April 2010, 08:43

Bruce, here is the Otago regulations in part for recce 2010. Pay special attention to article #4.

STAGE NOTE CONVOY TOUR REGULATIONS

NOTE: A briefing for those participating in the Thursday / Friday tour will be held at the Waihola Service Park at 12.00 p.m. on Thursday 8th April 2010.

1. The OSCC will provide the opportunity for competitors using MSNZ authorised Stage Notes to familiarise themselves with these notes prior to the event.

2. The purpose of the Stage Note Observation "tour" is to enable competitors to make their own comments and amendments to the Stage Notes supplied for that specific event.

3. ONE only familiarisation pass over the public roads to be used for special stages is to be conducted. This run is to be made with all the participants in a controlled "tight" convoy. A cautious pace will be set by the lead Official vehicle.

4. It is vitally important that residents and the general public gain the impression that these tours are conducted in a safe and responsible manner. No Rally cars are to be used. Officials and competitors are to use ordinary vehicles with standard exhausts and no Rally tyres. No vehicles with roll cages will be permitted. No overtaking will be permitted unless for reason of force major (breakdown/ puncture etc. The roads will not be closed and are open to other traffic. Expect cars to be coming towards you and keep left at all times.

NO RALLY CARS ARE TO BE USED. NO VEHICLES WITH ROLL CAGES WILL BE PERMITTED.

And yet there were two cars with roll cages, that were in fact both rally cars from years gone by. Did they have exemptions?
If not, it would be common knowledge that they were then in breach of the regulations, and should have been removed from the convoy at the least. It is, in laymans terms, cheating.
No doubt as one of the cars was Crunch's driver, there will be a good reason. Can't wait for it.
They won't get away with it at Rally Wiararapa....

But perhaps the best laugh belongs to the MSNZ scrutineers. When the first open class car fronted up for scrutineering they suddenly realised that the 34mm restrictor checker was in Wellington! So they only had a 33mm and a 36mm.
You could have run a 35.5mm restrictor in open class.... :)

crunch

12th April 2010, 09:21

Both cars you mention were bare cars with no signwriting, road tyres and exhausts AND were given written dispensation by the organisers to be used.

As far as I know both were driven responsibly and did nothing to cause concern for the organisers.

And before you ask, I did NOT ask for the Kelsey dispensation. As two events of our Championship allow these types of cars, AND the Recce convoy is controlled as well as Otago always does AND the drivers are proven to be responsible, I don't see a problem.

Onto the stuff that actually matters,...wasnt Dean Sumners result one that has been deserved for such a long time and isn't luck a cruel mistress for Chris West?

Stalks

12th April 2010, 20:43

Fair enough Crunch. But can I ask what is the point of having the rules and regulations spelled out quite specifically, if all you have to do to circumvent them is apply for dispensation?
It quickly turns it into looking like one rule for most, and a different rule for others, creating animosity.
If I apply for dispensation to not wear a Hans device what will happen? (I already know the answer, "that's different because it's a safety issue"), but it is no different in theory.

As for the result, yes, good on Dean for sticking it out and being there when it counts. Interesting him and Emma both acknowledged their positions were due to others misfortunes and that they didn't have the outright pace for victory, but the other podium spot didn't make any more friends with his speech...

Rally Hokkaido

27th April 2010, 00:18

Any tea-leaf readers out there care to tell me what the weather will be like at Round 2?

sollitt

27th April 2010, 00:51

Rain. It always rains in Auckland. Sure as death, taxes and concrete cracking, you can count on rain.

Bigdiggerman

27th April 2010, 02:27

I suggest some rain followed by sunshine followed by passing showers...repeat if desired.

Rally Hokkaido

27th April 2010, 03:50

Err, thanks, guys.
That really helps me with tyre choice.
Well, it snowed on the first leg of my trip to NZ, so the visit there will likely give me a full hand.................what volcano?

Zeakiwi

27th April 2010, 05:19

http://www.geonet.org.nz

to keep an eye on the shaky isles and volcanoes ;)

Stalks

23rd May 2010, 23:57

Ooh, looky here...the missing footage of Masons car down the bank...

http://www.photoshop.com/accounts/83abe87340f0433eacf24ac3c8f56a58/px-assets/e18a884248554cf89ca8390483f0283c

crunch

24th May 2010, 08:07

Yeah...wondered where the in-car footage dissappeared to on the TV yesterday/ Maybe the camera accidentally turned off???

Interesting that it was the same corner that Todd and I went off on in 1999 Rally NZ where I sustained serious back injuries that still plague me today

Stalks

24th May 2010, 12:09

Yeah, the 'missing' footage is a little suspect me thinks. Either the people in the car requested it not be shown, or the camera or part thereof were not operating before or after...either way it insults the intelligence of the viewers as it was blatantly obvious the car had cameras.
Its pretty obvious how it happened anyway. Either a lack of talent or a bad note sent the car wide on a right hander into the bank, where it tipped over whilst coming back across the road and tumbled down to its resting spot. By the looks the drivers side (on the ground) B pillar and roof section won't be very healthy. Lucky that tree and fence were there, looks like it could have kept going for a bit longer.
As for your bad back Crunch, I always thought it was from carrying that big lump you have out the front around all day... :-)

crunch

24th May 2010, 21:26

Geez....thanks for the er, compliment...not many guys would complement other guys about the large "lump" they carry out front???

crunch

24th May 2010, 21:26

..maybe my trousers are a bit tight?

Stalks

24th May 2010, 22:48

More like your chest has 'slipped' perhaps. PS, what happened to Mr Kelseys car at Rally NZ?

crunch

25th May 2010, 02:03

It's a known scientific fact that gravity has more effect over time, so you could be right.
As for Alex's car....it stopped.

Stalks

25th May 2010, 03:11

Wondering what people's thoughts are on the TV coverage so far this season? I think the in car footage has been good, but perhaps there is beginning to be more of that than general footage of the cars from the outside?
I suspect it is pretty confusing at times for the average couch potato on a Sunday afternoon who tunes in though. Otago for example, at the end of day one they show the leader board just before the ad break. When play resumes we are two stages in and dear old Roger is getting all excited about Emma taking the lead of the rally Clint! Ah, hang on a minute, she was 1 minute something off the pace before the ads...I know she's good, but really? It only needed a small explanation that each day is a seperate rally.

Day one of rally NZ coverage was a little bit the same. Dodgey Rodg was all excited about Tapper breaking into the top ten overall (and rightly so, he was going bloody good!), but a few moments later tells us rather non excitedly that Glenn Smith has finished the day inside the top ten....Confused?

And the last laugh goes to the expert commentators on Sky during the rally, where the ex 58 time hillclimb champion discusses with Crint that the factory teams will be busy deciding what compound tyres to run in the repeat stages in the afternoon.
Everybody in the rally is on the same tyre. Same compound. Only one compound. Have been for how many years?

sollitt

25th May 2010, 03:25

I know about those backs Crunch. I'm nursing a quite sore one at the moment after Saturday night's after party party.

As for the TV, I agree. I did comment to Mrs Sollitt on Sunday that I thought the incar was dominating far too much and wouldn't it be nice to get some action footage.

Mind you, going completely incar would be a way to bring the cost down. We could shoot all of the footage in a simulator and then we'd have all of that lovely sponsorship money to spend on (god forbid) the competitors.

Stalks

25th May 2010, 10:36

I see on Online Motorsport forum some one is saying they have some more photo's of Richards car. If they join up here I'm sure we can get them posted somehow....

Stalks

31st May 2010, 00:24

What was with yesterdays footage of days 2 & 3 from Rally NZ?
At one stage I thought I had somehow tuned into a Steven Barker TV channel! OK, he was going well, but at the expense of showing 3 or 4 other competitors for 10 seconds each, we get to see his face while driving every 5 minutes.
I seriously can not understand why the competitors are paying something in the region of $1500 per round to have camera's in their cars, when some of them get less than 30 seconds coverage per round.

The footage was below average to say the least, 90% of it was in car stuff at the ends of stages, with Roger talking over the in car audio the whole time, and in places when you could hear the co-drivers the audio didn't match up to what was happening (Stu Taylors crash prime example).

The 'minor' classes got bugger all footage too. Argyle got the most in the Open class, there should have been more footage of Regan Ross given that he was beating most of the Group N cars, and the Kiwi 2 boys got about 20 seconds between them. I'm not a big fan of the Kiwi 2 cars, but they could have made a bit of a story out of it that although Summerfeild started day 2 with 3 minutes plus in penalties, he had closed to within 30 seconds by the end of the rally.

As for the missing footage of Mason, it's probably been quietly swept away by now....but his car was at Timo's Octane Automotive recently for a short stay...so only one reason for that, roll cage damage.