RBR Cup: UK Rally (semifinal )

[lcd]

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RBR Motorsport Forums Cup 2009


Round 5 ( semifinal ) : UK Rally
18,19,20 September 2009

Rally I.D.
As one of the oldest rallies in the world, U.K Rally
- known for much of its history as the RAC Rally -
has reflected the numerous changes in the sport.
In late September, Motorsport Forums drivers and teams
will converge upon South Wales to test their skills
In the semifinal rally of the season. The promise of rain, mud, and fog
are all thrown into the mix. The demanding stages
around Harwood Forest and Chirdonhead, are fast and flowing and,
when wet, can become as slippery as any in the world.

Media
U.K Rally teaser

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Rules


UK Rally rules will be published
on Monday 14 September



Entry List


Send your entry, to LCD via
private message, as following: :

Driver : LCD
Nationality : Greek
Team : GR Motorsports
Car : Citroen Xsara ‘06

Entries Closing Date


Wednsday 16 September, midnight

[lcd]

2 members of the cmr2 Group - Tannat and Paddy - joined the championship!
Welcome on board guys! :up: Hope you enjoy It!
6 entries so far! ;)

[jimakos]

Nice news about tannat and Paddy!!
New members are always welcomed.
Really tough rally this in U.K.
Hope for not a lot of rain because will be extremely difficult for me at least :p
Continue with my S2000 car and hope the same for Bruce...

[steve_spackman]

Im back for the championship. Will PM you my details when i know what car im driving mate!

[jimakos]

I have the suspicion that this event will be the most crowded so far :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[tannat]

Have yet to turn a wheel on this game (except the demo).
Hope I can find a cheat to unlock everything...

[lcd]

Hope I can find a cheat to unlock everything...

RBR patch 1.01
http://www.gamershell.com/download_7108.shtml

RBR patch 1.02
http://download.cnet.com/3001-7518_4-10332354.html?spi=0abf95dce100920519d9d489aa51ea5a

Saved game for RBR ( copy+paste In rbr main folder )
http://www.cheathappens.com/show_download.asp?ID=16249

[NeverKnow]

Or you could create driver profile called MULLIGATAWNY and if you use it, all stages and cars are available.
Other way is to run a new season aka championship on rookie level with damage off. It should be pretty easy to win AI drivers, though this options require time.

[lcd]

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[lcd]

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[tannat]

Holy damper rates, Batman!

I feel as if I need a background as a rally mechanic o set up the car-quite technical!

Are there any cars available beyond the 8 I see in my garage?


Looks like I'll be attempting some skin downloads....

[S.Bera]

Hoah! RAIN! I LOVE RAIN :D
I hope to compete in this rally, as I am back home.
BTW Did I mention how much I love rain already? ;)

[raybak]

I'm in for this one. Realised this weekend that there is no reset button while doing the real thing.

Ray

[J4MIE]

Hoping for dry stages :up:

[Bruce D]

Continue with my S2000 car and hope the same for Bruce...


Yup, going to be there in the S2000 this event as promised, already entered the event. Should be nice dice for the class win and maybe even a top 6 overall... =)

Especially if it rains...

[lcd]

--------------- U.K. RALLY RULES -----------------

Semifinal round: 18,19,20 September 2009

Format : Single Stage
Class : WRC/S2000/Gp.N
Gears : Auto or Manual
Car Damage : Reduced
Tires : Due to weather conditions

GENERAL RULES.....................................

Follow Schedule Order!
No stages repeated allowed!
Point system: 20,17,15,12,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

EVENT RULES.......................................

OPTIONS -> GEARS:
Neutral Lock......off
Gear Protection...Off
Clutch Help.......Off

OPTIONS -> PACENOTES:
Pacenotes.........Off

SUPER RALLY .....................................

A Super Rally option Is available for those who retire;
you can go on to the next stage but your retiring stage time
will be the fastest time of the stage + time penalty of 3min.
CAUTION 1: One Super Rally per leg (day) Is allowed!
CAUTION 2: No Super Rally For Rally Sprint event!!!

.................. SCHEDULE ......................

DAY1

ss1: Harwood Forest - weather: rain
ss2: Chirdonhead - weather: rain
ss3: Falstone - weather: rain

DAY 2

ss4: Harwood Forest II - weather: rain
ss5: Chirdonhead II - weather: rain
ss6: Shepherds Shield - weather: rain

DAY 3

Rally Sprint Championship 2009

(From the main menu -> Richard Burns Challenge)
Challenge : Rally School - weather: Default

................TIME SUBMISSION...................

Please send me your times, via private message,
In column format:

2:25.13
3:43.94
4:21.02
3:32.28
3:54.07
4:42.91
3:00.69

TIMES DUE TUESDAY 22 September, Midnight
..................................................


Good luck to everyone !

P.S. Richard Burns says: No cheating please!!!

[lcd]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7721/shakedownt.jpg

You can make as many passes as you wish!
You may start posting your times...

[Bruce D]

Damn, the whole rally is raining! This could be a really interesting rally...

[NeverKnow]

Here are my shakedown times:
1:20.41
1:19.66
1:21.26
1:20.81
1:19.12
1:17.50
I mainly focused on setup changes and how car responds to them. Only the last run was more or less clean. Because it was dry on shakedown stage, I hope that I find comfortable setup on the first stages on day 1. I hope I am able to get podium finish to keep my championship chances alive but first I must finish this very tricky event.

[lcd]

Here's my shakedown times:

1:21.17
1:18.70
1:20.08
1:18.07
1:17.63

[jimakos]

1:24.10
1:24.99
1:23.60


Didn't work a lot in shakedown!!
Prefer practice in real stages which are wet and very difficult :D
What made you LCD do the whole rally rain :confused: :confused:

[Bruce D]

Here are my shakedown runs for the Polo S2000:

1:21.48
1:20.22
1:19.17

Tried testing for some rain stages afterwards and found things really tricky, so this should be another survival event - which is a pity actually cos this is the 2nd fastest rally in the game and its nice to let rip over these stages, especially Chironhead.

[tannat]

Anyone with setup advise for the shakedown stage?

On defaults the car positively bucks through the stream crossings (fords)....

[NeverKnow]

You could try some stiffer suspension settings. What happens is the car is bottoming out when crossing the stream and inertia from rear wheels are throwing the car up. At least I think that happens.
I usually apply some brakes when approaching and entering the stream and about at the middle of the stream I start moderately accelerate out of the stream. For me this minimizes the effect of the car jumping up when crossing the stream.

[Bruce D]

Yeah certain cars are better in the streams than others, and NeverKnow's approach is the same as mine, brake before the stream then jump on the power just before the stream, forces the car to be pushing back and putting weight on the rear of the car when going through the stream and reduces the amount of bouncing.

[tannat]

Yeah certain cars are better in the streams than others, and NeverKnow's approach is the same as mine, brake before the stream then jump on the power just before the stream, forces the car to be pushing back and putting weight on the rear of the car when going through the stream and reduces the amount of bouncing.

No way you can take it flat?

[NeverKnow]

No way you can take it flat?
None that I know of.

[J4MIE]

Depends how good you are at keeping the car on the road.... on the rally school stage it's very difficult as there are bends after the fords!

[J4MIE]

Oh BTW LCD, I hate you for choosing rain :p : I am still clinging onto summer at the moment and the weather here is pretty decent and dry ;)

[lcd]

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[lcd]

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[Bruce D]

No way you can take it flat?

Well, you can, but the end result may not be what is desired! :p

There are cars which handle it better than others, but also don't worry cos the rallysprint stage is quite different to the actual GB event - cars that work there might not work on the event itself, well at least I've found that. For example of the S2000 cars the 207 is quicker than the Polo on the rallysprint stage but good luck with it on Hafren.

Nice entry list LCD, looks like we gain about 2 new entries every event. This could be an major event.

[tannat]

1:30.27 quite rough
1:24.67
1:22.64
1:21.82

Probably could have broken the 1:20.xx mark, but the car always got goofy going into the right hand 90 degree, or I would spin at the end of the stage.

A forgiving sim this is not!


By the by, as this is a fictional championship I provided a fictional residence (Bahamas). I'm actually smack in the middle of USA :D

[Bruce D]

Got down to some nice times in the end there tannat. Don't worry, these rallies are more about survival than driving flat out all the time, so we'll see how you get on in the rally itself.

[lcd]

1:22.64
1:21.82

Pretty good times for a RBR first timer! ;)

[tannat]

Pretty good times for a RBR first timer! ;)

Cheers, LCD :up:

[tannat]

Guys-I'd love to hear about how you drive in this game. On the stages with which we are now dealing it is like I am on glare ice-pins and needles the whole way..

Is it possible to be in 'attack' mode on these stages?

Perhaps the game is meant to emulate its' namesake, as I'll always remember him as Richard 'neat and tidy' Burns....

[lcd]

...Is it possible to be in 'attack' mode on these stages?...

Try to get some ''harmony'' In your driving, meaning drive like being one with the car...
Speed Isn't always what matters In that game! When entering In high speed the twisty
Harwood Forest or Chirdonhead sectors, just leave out the throttle and take all turns using the wheels
but always remember to take advantage of the ditches ( even the water paddles ) for some saving grip!
Throttle and brakes hits must be instantaneously there!



...On the stages with which we are now dealing it is like I am on glare ice-pins and needles the whole way...

That feeling will go away as soon as you get used to the philosophy of the game...
It's happened to all RBR players In the beginning. :D

[bennizw]

I had two runs on the shakedown stage with the following times:

01:16.11
01:15.87

Allthough the grip is good here, I know it will be slippy for the wet stages. Just hope I don't get caught out! :)

[S.Bera]

@tannat

There one great advice for new drivers- IT'S WAY BETTER TO ENTER THE CORNER TOO SLOW THAN TOO FAST. Just drive rather slow and tidy, You'll become more and more confident with time. If you won't spin a car, won't crash it and wont' have to use SR or spectators asist, You will score some good points FOR SURE! I realised that long time ago, and soon after driving carefully i started to beat ai drivers in sp season even on hardest difficulty level.

[jimakos]

Following the advice of my ''teacher'' Bruce I'll finally drive the Polo!!
Hope for some good stage times and not crashes :D

[tannat]

@tannat

There one great advice for new drivers- IT'S WAY BETTER TO ENTER THE CORNER TOO SLOW THAN TOO FAST. Just drive rather slow and tidy, You'll become more and more confident with time. If you won't spin a car, won't crash it and wont' have to use SR or spectators asist, You will score some good points FOR SURE! I realised that long time ago, and soon after driving carefully i started to beat ai drivers in sp season even on hardest difficulty level.


Decided I'd drive for points on this one-it's certainly to be a 'car-banger' of a rally....

[steve_spackman]

Sorry guys was hoping to enter for this rally, but things out of my control have stopped me from doing so.

Hope you guys have a great rally and shall be watching from the stages...

[lcd]

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RALLY START
RBR Motorsport Forums Cup
Round 5: U.K. Rally
18,19,20 September 2009

Good luck and have fun!

[S.Bera]

hi guys.
i was really looking forward to take a part in this rally, but rbr suddenly started to crash before even loading profile selection menu. i've tried everything i could, but it just crashes. there is nothing i can do about it but to reinstall whole game- and i don't feel like i want to reainstall all the cars, tracks etc, so i'm out for now. good luck to everyone else!

[jimakos]

hi guys.
i was really looking forward to take a part in this rally, but rbr suddenly started to crash before even loading profile selection menu. i've tried everything i could, but it just crashes. there is nothing i can do about it but to reinstall whole game- and i don't feel like i want to reainstall all the cars, tracks etc, so i'm out for now. good luck to everyone else!


Really bad news S.Bera!!!
But nevermind,hope we'll have you in final event...

[Bruce D]

Sorry about that S.Bera, we'll see you back soon though.

Finished my rally, it was a decent one, not too bad but I did have some moments.

SS1 - Very slippery through the open fields, but the forest section had a bit more grip, so you had to be on your toes. A stupid mistake near the end of the stage meant I lost about 30sec stuck against some logs.

SS2 - Not too bad a run, but I overshot both 90 right junctions, badly the first one and knew it was coming on the second one so I just spun the car around in the escape road. Total time lost was probably around 10sec.

SS3 - A good clean run through Falstone, but this is a tricky one so I was pleased.

SS4 - It says a lot about how much I hate Harwood that I had a clean run and set a personal best time ever on the stage!

SS5 - A much cleaner run through Chironhead 2, maybe a little slow in places but I got through fine.

SS6 - First medium left, straight off into the fence, spun around in the field and got back going again, probably losing 20sec or so. The rest of the stage went fine, so overall I'm happy with my event, but there was room for improvement.

[lcd]

Done my rally! Pretty fast and almost 100% clean!
Rainy weather here In Greece the whole weekend,
so was In the proper mood!!! :D

[bennizw]

Not happy with my rally. Very slippy stages, and hard to find a good rhytmn. Rolled the car on Falstone and had to recieve help from spectators before I was back on the wheels again. After this I decided to push a little, so hopefully I caught back some of the lost time.
The sprint stage went well however. Hope I can claw back some points for the championship.

Will be interesting to see the final results!

[NeverKnow]

Finished the rally and here is a short summary how things went.
SS1 - Started very slowly and too cautious on driving. Braked very early and didn't had 100% confidence in the car.
SS2 - Changed few suspension settings and immediately started improve my driving, though I did few small mistakes.
SS3 - I had a clear run on this one but I really struggled for grip.
SS4 - Everything went well for me on this one until there was a bridge crossing after 4th gear left corner. I arrived little sideways into the bridge and the front bumper hit the sidestone of the bridge and I spun off the road and into the river below. Luckily I was able to get back to the road with spectators help and had minimal time lost. I fear my podium finish is gone. But it could have ended worse. After the incident I started to push a little and fortunately the car didn't receive any damage from the off, only a bent rear spoiler and cracked front and rear windscreen.
SS5 - I really had a blast on this one and liked this stage. I had no incidents on it.
SS6 - Again like on SS5 I really liked the stage and didn't had any Incidents.
SSS - I chose too soft tires for this one and had worse time than I had in the shakedown.
Overall I am pleased that I finished. Here are few pictures if someone is interested:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-1916-2.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-8.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-7.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-6.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-5.jpg
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http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-2.jpg
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http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-1916-4.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-191-1.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RichardBurnsRally_SSE2009-09-1916-5.jpg

[jimakos]

Did my rally!!
I'm pleased with my performance but don't look too high :(
Rain made the whole rally extremely difficult with my car ''dancing'' in the rain :p

Wait for results and hore for the best.



I would like to ask you which stage was the most difficult... :grenade:

[NeverKnow]

For me the most difficult stages are Harwood and Harwood II because there are some very twisty sections. If you make driving error there, you will end up on logs and have a very hard time getting back to the stage. You will need to concentrate all the time on this stage.

[lcd]

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Rally complete

Time submission deadline
Tuesday 22 September, midnight

[lcd]

I really hope results vindicate the use of Citroen C4 for this classic event!
Car felt great from the first to the last stage...Lighter than Xsara, more sensitive In steering;
I think was the best choice for such a demanding rally!
Rain or mud weren't there a problem, as I had a quick rhythm all the time using ditches
and water puddles for some extra grip! Ι'm happy this was the first rally, I used the brakes so little!
The start of day2, was a bit numb, but generally I'm very happy with my performance!
As already mentioned, was an almost 100% clean rally for me!
Wonder If the championship title Is gonna clear up to the next
final round of the season, or will have the champion sooner..!

Here's a couple of In-action moments:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7638/richardburnsrallysse200fi.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6606/richardburnsrallysse200m.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3528/richardburnsrallysse200p.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5246/richardburnsrallysse200en.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/719/richardburnsrallysse200pb.jpg

[lcd]

Time cards received from:
Bennizw, NeverKnow, LCD, BruceD, jimakos! :up:
S.Bera unfortunately didn't start the rally.

[jimakos]

I'm very curious to see the differences between me and Bruce!!
I followed your advice Bruce and finally drove with polo!!
S2000 battle now begins...

[lcd]

I'm very curious to see the differences between me and Bruce!!
I followed your advice Bruce and finally drove with polo!!
S2000 battle now begins...

There are a couple of tight battles between you two..! :D

[jimakos]

There are a couple of tight battles between you two..! :D

I believe didn't manage to pass my ''teacher'' in any stage :p :p

[Bruce D]

Ah, the beauty of S2000 - always close stuff.

Good example, on our national championship round this weekend the leader had a "comfortable" 16sec lead and was shocked when he rival managed to take 8sec out of him in one stage, meaning he had to "charge" again and pull it out to 14sec by the finish. And thats a easy win... ;)

jimakos, I'm sure you got the better of me in some stages, I think I could have pushed slightly harder in Chironhead II for example. And you should have beaten me on the 2 stages I spun off on.

[lcd]

CAUTION:
Times submission deadline extended: Wednesday 23 Sep. 18:00

[Bruce D]

Why do we need to be cautious about that? Should we be scared? :p

[tannat]

Submitted my times. Was using loaner laptops from IT at work. The first one I was given was great and ran the game faultlessly. Howver there was an error on it Sunday am and it had to be reimaged.

The second laptop I was given (on which I did the rally) didn't run the game so well-some of the video was choppy, especially the harwood stages... :(

Nevertheless, I stayed true to being ultra careful and had no major incidents save one spectator save after the finish line on Shepeherds, bumped a few trees, lost a door somewhere, and had a bit of a wild one on the SSS.

Spent positively very little time on setup. Would love to PM with anyone willing to share some wisdom on diffs on suspension..

Best of luck to all...

Tannat

[NeverKnow]

...Would love to PM with anyone willing to share some wisdom on diffs on suspension..

You can read about those in the RBR manual or here (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=21724) . If you have any specific question, post them here or PM me. I will try to answer them to the best of my abilities.

[tannat]

You can read about those in the RBR manual or here (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=21724) . If you have any specific question, post them here or PM me. I will try to answer them to the best of my abilities.

Cheers, NK :up: I may take you up on it.

Thanks...

[lcd]

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[lcd]

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[lcd]

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[lcd]

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http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1940/uksprintpodium.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9571/rbraward.jpg


Thank you all for participating!
I hope you had some great fun!

Don't miss the final round of RBR Motorsport Forums Cup:
Rally Finland - 9,10,11 October 2009

[hoofhearted]

A WIN!!!! finally and made even more special by being on home soil!
I really did enjoy this rally and concentrated hard to keep the car on the road with no mistakes.
Congrats to all
and congrats to LCD keep up the good work!

hopefully with this result the sponsors may let me loose with a C4 for the final round.

[jimakos]

Very pleased with 6th position!!!
Congats to Hoofharted for his win.
Didn't expect Bennizw out of pondium,he looked really strong ;)
Can't wait for the final event...

[Bruce D]

Congrats to everyone on that one. Nice win Hoofhearted!

jimakos, we had a great battle going there, some of those stage times were incredibly close. :D

Hmm, both championships are going to be pretty interesting going into the final round. By my calculations NeverKnow needs to finish in the top 4 in Sweden / Finland to take the title from LCD, while I need a top 7 finish to secure the sprint series.

[jimakos]

In only 2 stages managed to pass Bruce!
Like his student is very good!
Looking for an overall win of Bruce in Finland!
Maybe there it's time to use a WRC car...

[NeverKnow]

Congrats to Hoofhearted for winning the event and Bennisw for winning the sprint event.
As for me, I am happy with 3rd place. Though last event in the calendar is a tricky one and I really need to make a good preparation for it if I want to finish on the podium. Bring on Finland...

[bennizw]

It was a bad rally for me! With all the stages in rain, I struggled for grip everywhere. The off on SS3 didn't make things much better either. Congrats to everyone for a good performance :)

[tannat]

My times reflect my comfort level with the car on these stages-absolutely nil!

Any degree of yaw in the car and I felt as if I was going off.......


Plenty of time to prepare for Finland, so perhaps a better result there.

Cheers to all.....

Tannat

[Bruce D]

In only 2 stages managed to pass Bruce!
Like his student is very good!
Looking for an overall win of Bruce in Finland!



Yeah, if everyone else takes a 5min penalty then maybe I'd win overall!

Nah, I'm sticking with my beloved S2000 cars now, really enjoyed using them in GB and have just been testing some out in Sweden. Could be a really tricky rally.

@tannat - don't worry, your times weren't miles off so you can definately make it into the front half of the field soon. Just keep trying. The main thing that taught me was doing seasons against the AI, teaches you to keep it clean when competiting with the top level.

[tannat]

@tannat - don't worry, your times weren't miles off so you can definately make it into the front half of the field soon. Just keep trying. The main thing that taught me was doing seasons against the AI, teaches you to keep it clean when competiting with the top level.

Cheers Bruce D.

By the by I did some CMR4 competitions on your site about 2-3 years ago. Is it still going?

[Bruce D]

Yeah I remember you from there. Unfortunately, no, it died a slow death, 2005 was the last season, then I changed jobs and didn't think I could keep committed to running the league. Only now could I think about doing it again. In the meantime the site owner was doing some studies and now working last I chatted to him so he can't develope the site anymore. Which is a pity cos that time submission system on that site was just way beyond its time and worked brilliantly.

That all started out as a Rally Championship 2000 league (I've still got the results files and stuff for it, would you believe, as well as the webpages I designed), then became CMR4 and then GPL stages before dying off. I then tried using the RBR Czech thing to run a RBR league but got flack from people there so gave up.

I've thought of running a CMR2005 league again, but I've seen the interest in the CMR2 WRC slowing down here so I'm not sure it would work. Besides, too busy competing here and dealing with a new baby, etc.

[tannat]

I've thought of running a CMR2005 league again, but I've seen the interest in the CMR2 WRC slowing down here so I'm not sure it would work. Besides, too busy competing here and dealing with a new baby, etc.

Slowing down-it is a seasonal phenomenon. Wait til the beginning of 2010 WRC.

Cheers on the baby, Bruce :up: