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Sulland
30th August 2009, 23:07
I find it strange that French Pipo Moteurs is developing the Fiesta s2000 engines, and also the engines to the Focus is done by Pipo, in addition to 206, 307 and the Focus WRC.
http://www.pipo-moteurs.com/pipo-moteurs/fr/services/default.html

Is UK loosing their grip as the motorsport leading country ?


When are they starting to test the Fiesta, and will someone be there to film it so we can see ?

Mirek
30th August 2009, 23:21
Pipo made also one of the best naturaly aspirated rally engine for 306 Maxi ;)

Barreis
30th August 2009, 23:49
:)

Francis44
31st August 2009, 15:05
There engines are good from what we can see!!!!

HaCo
31st August 2009, 20:30
Is UK loosing their grip as the motorsport leading country ?

For a long time I guess, how many times have they been beaten by the french cars? Also look at Subaru Prodrive!

OldF
31st August 2009, 21:42
]Pipo made also one of the best naturaly aspirated rally engine for 306 Maxi ;)

The evo 2 must have had an almost F1 sound with 11000 rpm and 308 hp. :up: http://www.rallye-info.com/carmodels.asp?type=5

Not a very big company, only 19 people at the moment and 25 when they started to develop the 206 WRC engine.

ste898
31st August 2009, 22:29
Any pics of The Fiesta yet.........someone must have some?

Tom206wrc
18th September 2009, 09:46
Rumour of the week: Mikko Hirvonen in the Fiesta S2000 for last IRC09 event: Rally Scotland :confused: :confused:

Priorat
18th September 2009, 11:36
]Pipo made also one of the best naturaly aspirated rally engine for 306 Maxi ;)

So, they are also musicians then

sal
18th September 2009, 11:46
Hirvonen will debut the Fusty when he runs as course car on the Scottish.

noel157
18th September 2009, 12:33
Hirvonen will debut the Fusty when he runs as course car on the Scottish.

Don't suppose any times will be made public but good news to see it's debut.

Tom206wrc
18th September 2009, 12:52
Oh nooo it'll be as "00 car" ???? :(

sal
18th September 2009, 12:56
Oh nooo it'll be as "00 car" ???? :(

Same as when Panizzi ran with the 207 on the Condroz a few years back.

Mirek
18th September 2009, 13:00
It was Bouffier in Condroz 2006 ;) Panizzi ran another rally as zero with 207 that year, maybe Antibes or Sanremo?

Tom206wrc
18th September 2009, 13:09
It was Antibes for Panizzi ;)

I hate when I can't see the times of the drivers on public live results service page :(

sal
18th September 2009, 13:35
It was Antibes for Panizzi ;)

I hate when I can't see the times of the drivers on public live results service page :(


Thanks for correcting me!

You may hate it but I guess M Sport would rather it was kept out of the public domain as much as possible!

Mirek
18th September 2009, 13:40
Yes, that's understandable but You know there is always some way to get their times :)

Buzz Lightyear
18th September 2009, 14:21
MSport seemed to have developed the car very quickly.. no? I hope they dont underestimate what it will take to beat Skoda and Peugeot. I doubt it, but it seems to be rushed to get out for the 2010 season. If its sucessfull then it has to be an endorsment of the formula, that a competitive car can be produced very quickly.

Mirek
18th September 2009, 14:25
You know when the developpment actualy started?

ste898
19th September 2009, 12:38
I cant believe there is no pics yet?

PLuto
19th September 2009, 12:53
Me too. Official presentation should be next week.

Sulland
23rd September 2009, 13:56
A Swedish site writes that in addition to Hirvonen in the Scottish in 2009, they are planning to come with 4 cars in Monte, with Hirvonen, Latvala, Grønholm and Marko Martin !!!

A private team also have plans to run Fiesta S2000 in the new S2000 WC in 2010. Who can that be ?

Mirek
23rd September 2009, 14:00
That four cars in Monte are nice dream but only dream. Let's get back to Earth ;)

Gordini
23rd September 2009, 14:06
Why, I like being on a pink cload !

Would settle for 2 out of 4!

cali
23rd September 2009, 16:47
]That four cars in Monte are nice dream but only dream. Let's get back to Earth ;)
:p : hilarious, but i would like to have this dream. It anyway sounds nice, even for a dream :p :

ste898
23rd September 2009, 21:56
Is this car invisible? it must be as nobody can get pcs very strange......

Mirek
23rd September 2009, 22:09
Ford has large private testing areas in Belgium which are inaccessible for public. They used to test prototypes of stock cars there as well.

wwbroe
24th September 2009, 06:14
]Ford has large private testing areas in Belgium which are inaccessible for public. They used to test prototypes of stock cars there as well.

You are right Mirek, they are situated in Lommel. But it is strange however that not one single pictures has come out yet. :D

ste898
24th September 2009, 22:17
You are right Mirek, they are situated in Lommel. But it is strange however that not one single pictures has come out yet. :D

They are testing the car in England this week , nothing to do with Begium

Mirek
24th September 2009, 22:44
They have already tested it in Belgium for a long time...

c4
28th September 2009, 10:04
First photos:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/m-sport-ford-fiesta-s2000-test/

Francis44
28th September 2009, 10:08
First photos:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/m-sport-ford-fiesta-s2000-test/

OMG WOoT!!!!

Oh wait no ailleron??!!

wwbroe
28th September 2009, 12:15
This livery of the brand new Fiesta is realy uggly if you ask me. Hope is performs better than his livery looks like. :D

Mirek
28th September 2009, 13:40
It's common to use this type of livery for testing prototypes of road cars, Walter. The white-black contrast destroyes shape. It's been known in military for almost a century ;)

And that's also why I don't believe this was first test. There is no need to use such camouflage just for public testing.

Francis44
28th September 2009, 13:43
Why is the car missing rear spoiler????

sal
28th September 2009, 15:18
Think they will be more interested in geting some miles on the car rather than worrying about the full aero package at this stage...

Sulland
28th September 2009, 17:43
It is also easier to gain data on the aero package if you introduce it step by step, as it reads all they do now is to see if the tech part of the car works.

noel157
28th September 2009, 20:23
]It's common to use this type of livery for testing prototypes of road cars, Walter. The white-black contrast destroyes shape. It's been known in military for almost a century ;)

And that's also why I don't believe this was first test. There is no need to use such camouflage just for public testing.

As you say Mirek, not the first test. A leak here and a leak there just to get the PR machine rolling and build up interest as teams consider what to use/buy for next season.

ste898
28th September 2009, 21:12
That is one pig ugly car......

urabus-denoS2000
28th September 2009, 22:38
I think it looks great ;)

CABAIO E'LONA
28th September 2009, 23:16
Nice Car...

but would have preferred a focus s2000 why not?

Mirek
28th September 2009, 23:23
It's big and heavy (I mean stock car, not WRC)...

Rallyper
29th September 2009, 01:25
Does anyone know exactly where the testing is about to go in europe? Any testing on snow in sweden later on? :confused:

Sulland
29th September 2009, 12:55
]They have already tested it in Belgium for a long time...

Ford or MSport have something in Belgium, but not sure where in Belgium, but read that it is a closed facility.

Mirek
29th September 2009, 14:28
It's already mentioned on previous page ;)

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=694359&postcount=28

Sulland
29th September 2009, 16:07
Info on Lommel here: https://www.fordlpg.eu/en/indexjs.htm?page=main_faq_btb.htm

alterdaxter
29th September 2009, 23:45
Info on Lommel here: https://www.fordlpg.eu/en/indexjs.htm?page=main_faq_btb.htm

In 2007 I've been there for a week to perform some tests and I can say that different types of automotive companies frequently use the proving ground. Even an F1 was there on the VD platform.

It's not unusual to see new cars over there in camouflage-livery and with strange bumpers to cover the real layout.

Next to the proving ground you have Flanders' DRIVE (http://www.flandersdrive.be/), an automotive support company financed by different automotive companies located in the flanders part of Belgium.


korneel

jonas_mcrae
30th September 2009, 03:52
First photos:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/m-sport-ford-fiesta-s2000-test/

wrong test driver... get Kresta please

WRC1
30th September 2009, 08:43
wrong test driver... get Kresta please

AGREE!! Kresta or somebody else with a driving licens is for sure better than the "SON"

bluuford
30th September 2009, 13:23
AGREE!! Kresta or somebody else with a driving licens is for sure better than the "SON"
Well the first tests are just system check and it is not useful to use someone with skill ;-)

Mirek
30th September 2009, 13:26
Having driving skills doesn't automaticly mean understanding the car. There are fast drivers who doesn't even make their own setups and there are also slower drivers who make setups for them. I don't know how good Mathew is, maybe he realy is. Who of us realy knows?

Psycho!
30th September 2009, 13:31
Matthew had also done the first test with the new Focus,so I don't see a problem...Nevertheless,Markko Martin and the two official drivers will be involved(and possibly Marcus) in the evolution process,so let Matthew take a little bit of advertisement...!!!

sal
30th September 2009, 15:15
wrong test driver... get Kresta please

Why not? Kresta was so succesful with the Fiesta S1600 after all!

Several teams such as Prodrive employ national level drivers in the UK to shakedown their cars and run the data logging tests. I appreciate that Matthew is the target for a lot of venom from forum members who think that their National hero should be in his seat but face it he's an employee of the company that his dad runs and has current WRC car experience so get over yourselves!

Pinto
30th September 2009, 16:40
yu'd get sick of this anti matt vibe hes there and thats it so would every body get over themselves you get sick of the moaning

Mirek
30th September 2009, 17:04
Why not? Kresta was so succesful with the Fiesta S1600 after all!

There was no real development on Fiesta in 2006 and even no interest in it from M-Sport. He said he was frustrated by useless cruising with slow and unreliable car over national rallys...

Mise
4th October 2009, 14:19
wrong test driver... get Kresta please


from the article
Matthew Wilson was at the wheel for the first shakedown and he will be among a number of drivers who will be tasked with testing the vehicle during the condensed development programme scheduled for the rest of 2009.

a number of drivers beeing the key words

Sulland
4th October 2009, 19:00
Who is the best development driver in the world ?

cali
4th October 2009, 19:52
Who is the best development driver in the world ?

Being estonian, i can think of one guy - Markko Märtin. But honestly, i do not know :D

urabus-denoS2000
4th October 2009, 22:47
Honestly...Roman Kresta


This man knows more about cars more than any top driver,he makes set ups for Ford WRT,he developed the current Focus,...

He has huge mechanical knowledge

Cloverleaf
5th October 2009, 00:37
Who is the best development driver in the world ?
Used to be Didier Auriol and Carlos Sainz. But now?

Barreis
5th October 2009, 07:56
Seb.Loeb..

Juha_Koo
5th October 2009, 09:58
Kresta wrecked one Focus in shakedown, I wonder what he could do in tests with the Fiesta... :D

Just kidding. ;)

cali
5th October 2009, 12:09
Kresta wrecked one Focus in shakedown, I wonder what he could do in tests with the Fiesta... :D

Just kidding. ;)

Name one top rally driver who has not wrecked a car :D

Francis44
19th October 2009, 20:25
Pics of Gravel test....

http://rallyehq.com/photos/M-Sport-Fiesta-s2000/M-Sport%20Ford%20Fiesta%20S2000%201.jpg
http://rallyehq.com/photos/M-Sport-Fiesta-s2000/M-Sport%20Ford%20Fiesta%20S2000%202.jpg
http://rallyehq.com/photos/M-Sport-Fiesta-s2000/M-Sport%20Ford%20Fiesta%20S2000%203.jpg

and article http://www.rallybuzz.com/ford-fiesta-s2000-test-pics/ .

Juha_Koo
19th October 2009, 23:23
Awesome, they still seem to use Focus gravel rims. The best looking gravel rims ever. :) Hopefully it would be the same in the final car.

HaCo
20th October 2009, 16:46
There is a wing on the car... :)

Barreis
20th October 2009, 17:11
Video?

Mirek
20th October 2009, 17:41
Those are official photos from private testing area. I don't expect any video...

Gordini
20th October 2009, 18:01
There is a lot of inspiration to be taken from this one i guess:

http://www.autofiends.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ford-fiesta-rally-car/800_x1204200912419.jpg

Sulland
27th October 2009, 15:43
Anyone: Did Mikkelsen meet with M-Sport last week ?

pettersolberg29
27th October 2009, 16:28
Yes

Sulland
27th October 2009, 16:38
Did he drive the thing, and do you happen to know if they will meet again ?

pettersolberg29
27th October 2009, 17:24
I don't thin he drove the Fiesta. Mr Wilson is very interested in his development so I assume they will meet again soon, yes.

witto6
27th October 2009, 18:08
Conrad rautnbach drove it early last week.

Micke_VOC
28th October 2009, 02:11
Conrad rautnbach drove it early last week.

Crash test ?? (=

ARF
28th October 2009, 08:37
The tests in Spain should begin this week.

Psycho!
28th October 2009, 08:39
Crash test ?? (=
Very nice!!! :)

Gordini
3rd November 2009, 10:43
The tests in Spain should begin this week.

Spain, was it not Belgium?

Sulland
5th November 2009, 20:26
Must say I enjoyed the Fabia development much more. They did things in the open and the rally-cracy Czechs took pictures and movies the whole time.

Why all the secrecy ?

J.Lindstroem
5th November 2009, 21:05
Must say I enjoyed the Fabia development much more. They did things in the open and the rally-cracy Czechs took pictures and movies the whole time.

Why all the secrecy ?

Skoda was also in bigger need of publicity in rallying media before the big entrence of the Fabia S2000... Ford already has it so for them it does'nt matter right now i think.

Also Ford.. hasn'nt they been like this always? i was remember in australia 2005 when they was hiding everything in some sort of tent... quite silly behaviour i think...

TheFlyingTuga
10th November 2009, 00:35
Asphalt test! What a beautifull f*****g car!


http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/518659essai_fiesta_S2000_corbieres_161.jpg
http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/448088essai_fiesta_S2000_corbieres_185.jpg
http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/12200essai_fiesta_S2000_corbieres_033.jpga.jpg
http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/391223essai_fiesta_S2000_corbieres_006.jpg
http://img8.hostingpics.net/pics/546674essai_fiesta_S2000_corbieres_083.jpg

noel157
10th November 2009, 12:30
Car looks very well. Apparently Wilson has done most of the testing, is that him in the photographs or somebody else?

AndyRAC
10th November 2009, 12:46
I like very much!! I wonder what it sounds like.

Mirek
10th November 2009, 12:51
It looks realy great!

Sulland
10th November 2009, 13:00
If it goes as fast as it looks, Fabia and 207 will be in for a challenge !

Allyc85
10th November 2009, 18:29
That looks amazing, I love the huuuge arches!

HaCo
10th November 2009, 19:11
Yeah, BIG FAT car... :)

And we're about to see in the Scotish! :D

urabus-denoS2000
10th November 2009, 21:06
Really sexy little car!

Cant wait to see it live!

RS
10th November 2009, 21:21
Well it's much more exciting to look at than the Focus, hopefully it will sound nicer and look a bit more agile on the stages too!

Barreis
10th November 2009, 21:25
No space from hand to the door.. Bigger crash and game over..

Allyc85
10th November 2009, 22:17
Thats a fair point. O fcourse its very hard to tell from a few pics but it looks like there is very little room for the car to absorb a hard side impact, even with the strong roll cages they have these days.

bennizw
10th November 2009, 22:22
To me it looks like it's Märtin who did the tarmac test.

Mirek
10th November 2009, 22:41
No space from hand to the door.. Bigger crash and game over..

The body itself without wheel arcs is 1722 mm wide. 206 WRC had 1673 mm, Xsara 1705 mm etc...

noel157
11th November 2009, 01:06
To me it looks like it's Märtin who did the tarmac test.

It certainly looks like him.

J4MIE
11th November 2009, 01:52
Am I the only one that doesn't like the look of it then? :s Perhaps it will grow on me.

Juha_Koo
11th November 2009, 03:38
Damn. What a beauty! :kiss: Can't wait to see it in some "proper" paint scheme.


]The body itself without wheel arcs is 1722 mm wide. 206 WRC had 1673 mm, Xsara 1705 mm etc...

Good point. Still, these S2000s are one size smaller than modern WRCs and I'm worrying that all the hard work done to improve the side impact protection is now back to square one. Is the "new" 200mm safety margin between the seat and the door-side roll cage possible to build on these cars..? It was one of the best, if not the best, safety feature introduced in the WRC lately. You can't beat the laws of physics but it gave the extra 200mm to play for in case the worst case scenario happens. No, I'm not saying that it would save lives in a 160 kph side impact, but the rule brought some leeway to play with. Nowdays that space has been filled with some kind of energy absorbing foam. Does anyone know what that stuff actually is?

I'm not bashing anything here, I'm just bringing up some points that I believe we all should pay attention to. When going fast, there are always going to be risks and minimizing them is a vital part of the engineering process.

I can remember reading from somewhere that there are going to be rules that state that rollcages have to be made stronger (bigger diameter of the tube). It is now 38mm, the new rule requires a use of 50mm tube. Not sure if the steel class is going to be same. I also remember reading that Loriaux used quite amount of time for this car's rollcage. Would be interesting to see interior pics. Can't tell much from the exterior shots but looks like atleast the vertical tube near the B-pillar is significantly larger than in the Focus.

DonJippo
11th November 2009, 09:46
Am I the only one that doesn't like the look of it then? :s Perhaps it will grow on me.

No you are not the only one, don't like it either.

noel157
11th November 2009, 10:26
Car hopes to debut on RMC in January. Driver/s? Is it going to be a new team or one of Ford's current drivers?

Mirek
11th November 2009, 11:15
Damn. What a beauty! :kiss: Can't wait to see it in some "proper" paint scheme.



Good point. Still, these S2000s are one size smaller than modern WRCs and I'm worrying that all the hard work done to improve the side impact protection is now back to square one. Is the "new" 200mm safety margin between the seat and the door-side roll cage possible to build on these cars..? It was one of the best, if not the best, safety feature introduced in the WRC lately. You can't beat the laws of physics but it gave the extra 200mm to play for in case the worst case scenario happens. No, I'm not saying that it would save lives in a 160 kph side impact, but the rule brought some leeway to play with. Nowdays that space has been filled with some kind of energy absorbing foam. Does anyone know what that stuff actually is?

I'm not bashing anything here, I'm just bringing up some points that I believe we all should pay attention to. When going fast, there are always going to be risks and minimizing them is a vital part of the engineering process.

I can remember reading from somewhere that there are going to be rules that state that rollcages have to be made stronger (bigger diameter of the tube). It is now 38mm, the new rule requires a use of 50mm tube. Not sure if the steel class is going to be same. I also remember reading that Loriaux used quite amount of time for this car's rollcage. Would be interesting to see interior pics. Can't tell much from the exterior shots but looks like atleast the vertical tube near the B-pillar is significantly larger than in the Focus.

Maybe it's still possible to have those 200 mm. When I look at SX-4 dimmensions, it has 1730 mm body width which is not that much (of course Focus and C4 are wider) and it was homologated under these new rulles, wasn't it? I'm not sure when they were applied... But yes, generaly S2000 are smaller.

At least I can see in appendix J that for newly homologated S2000 cars those polymer energy absorbing foams in door panels are also mandatory and that they will also use polycarbonate side windows like WRC.

Regarding tubes, there is no given diameter, there are more possible combinations of minimum diameter/thickness. I always wondered how small diameter is used in some Prodrive WRC's compared to others...

Barreis
11th November 2009, 11:17
Damn. What a beauty! :kiss: Can't wait to see it in some "proper" paint scheme.



Good point. Still, these S2000s are one size smaller than modern WRCs and I'm worrying that all the hard work done to improve the side impact protection is now back to square one. Is the "new" 200mm safety margin between the seat and the door-side roll cage possible to build on these cars..? It was one of the best, if not the best, safety feature introduced in the WRC lately. You can't beat the laws of physics but it gave the extra 200mm to play for in case the worst case scenario happens. No, I'm not saying that it would save lives in a 160 kph side impact, but the rule brought some leeway to play with. Nowdays that space has been filled with some kind of energy absorbing foam. Does anyone know what that stuff actually is?

I'm not bashing anything here, I'm just bringing up some points that I believe we all should pay attention to. When going fast, there are always going to be risks and minimizing them is a vital part of the engineering process.

I can remember reading from somewhere that there are going to be rules that state that rollcages have to be made stronger (bigger diameter of the tube). It is now 38mm, the new rule requires a use of 50mm tube. Not sure if the steel class is going to be same. I also remember reading that Loriaux used quite amount of time for this car's rollcage. Would be interesting to see interior pics. Can't tell much from the exterior shots but looks like atleast the vertical tube near the B-pillar is significantly larger than in the Focus.

I agree..

AndyRAC
11th November 2009, 11:46
Car hopes to debut on RMC in January. Driver/s? Is it going to be a new team or one of Ford's current drivers?

It's not going to be an 'Official' entry is it? A 'Privateer' entry....??

Mirek
11th November 2009, 11:47
I also think that it won't be M-Sport entry.

HaCo
11th November 2009, 12:45
I hope ford will subscribe for the IRC, not only for the S2000, but also for the 2WD R2 customers.

Juha_Koo
11th November 2009, 14:00
]Maybe it's still possible to have those 200 mm. When I look at SX-4 dimmensions, it has 1730 mm body width which is not that much (of course Focus and C4 are wider) and it was homologated under these new rulles, wasn't it? I'm not sure when they were applied... But yes, generaly S2000 are smaller.

At least I can see in appendix J that for newly homologated S2000 cars those polymer energy absorbing foams in door panels are also mandatory and that they will also use polycarbonate side windows like WRC.

Regarding tubes, there is no given diameter, there are more possible combinations of minimum diameter/thickness. I always wondered how small diameter is used in some Prodrive WRC's compared to others...

I totally forgot SX4... Yeah, I always wondered how were they able to do that 200mm space. Although I'm not 100% sure did they really have that space, but remembering the thickness of the foam panels, I believe they did. Good to hear that the development goes on to S2000s.

Your thoughts about Prodrive WRC's rollcages are totally correct... No wonder they suffered few rollcage failures during their years and desings were changed. What really surprised me was the door "X" rollcage on the S14 WRC. For some reason, they changed it to "old fashioned" model, the one where the X is made by welding three tubes to create the X-shape and after that add a steel plate structure to the place where tubes connect. They, along other manufacturers, had used the "new" desing, two V-shaped bars connected by a spacer and whole set welded together for many years...

JAM
11th November 2009, 14:50
The question of the Fiesta dimensions has to do with the car makers strategy to rallying. They are decreasing the segment wich introduces in rallying. From the high segment of the 80's and 90's (Audi, Mitsubishi Gallent, Ford Sierra, etc ) they started to downgrade to the medium segment (Lancer, Impreza, Cordoba) of the 90's. Now it seems that the future of rallying is only for the low segment with small cars.

It's obvious that WRC and rallying in general is condened to be the low level of motoring.

Barreis
11th November 2009, 14:58
http://www.rallybuzz.com/m-sport-fiesta-s2000-video/

sal
11th November 2009, 14:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gziZfXEMxoM

Supposed to be "spy footage" but by M Sport to promote the car!

Roy
11th November 2009, 15:04
Nice marketing video.
Good sound!

RS
11th November 2009, 17:27
Good sound!

Bah! It's no Fabia.

dimviii
11th November 2009, 18:47
The question of the Fiesta dimensions has to do with the car makers strategy to rallying. They are decreasing the segment wich introduces in rallying. From the high segment of the 80's and 90's (Audi, Mitsubishi Gallent, Ford Sierra, etc ) they started to downgrade to the medium segment (Lancer, Impreza, Cordoba) of the 90's. Now it seems that the future of rallying is only for the low segment with small cars.

It's obvious that WRC and rallying in general is condened to be the low level of motoring.

Don t think so JAM.
All the car segments year by year they are heavier-bigger.
Sierra is no bigger-heavier than a today vw golf for example,while they are different segments.
Same segment with galant-sierra is a today passat,which i don t think that is an ideal chassis for making even a wrc.
when you have to build a wrc or s2000 car with a weight @ 1250 kg you can t start with a car that weight 1600 kg.

Roy
12th November 2009, 11:29
coming soon:

http://www.fiestas2000.com

RS
13th November 2009, 13:56
In Autosport this week they report that M-Sport will indeed send a car to Monte Carlo but they haven't decided who the driver will be yet, Malcolm said "It could be Mikko, Matthew or Markko"

Buzz Lightyear
13th November 2009, 13:58
In Autosport this week they report that M-Sport will indeed send a car to Monte Carlo but they haven't decided who the driver will be yet, Malcolm said "It could be Mikko, Matthew or Markko"

or all 3?

RS
13th November 2009, 14:07
or all 3?

Wishful thinking :)

No, they have said just one. I hope Mikko.

noel157
13th November 2009, 14:27
Motorsport News are reporting that Craig Breen's team have ordered a car for BRC and other events.

It'll be interesting who and how many Fiesta S2Ks turn up for RMC in January.
Pity we won't see times from Scotland next week.

Sulland
14th November 2009, 11:55
I guess someone will come up with a analog system to take some times, if the car does not have transponder.

Buzz Lightyear
14th November 2009, 11:56
I guess someone will come up with a analog system to take some times, if the car does not have transponder.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how much slower Wilson is than Wilks/Meeke

Helstar
16th November 2009, 00:51
We already know that. A LOT.

Pinto
16th November 2009, 13:38
look we all no MW is not the quickest but the whole idea of running 00 was to be able to compare times to the 207 and the fabia but to do it under the radar.

HaCo
17th November 2009, 12:24
Ford has no plans in IRC next year:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80180

But M-Sport maybe has, cause apparantly there is a difference!

noel157
17th November 2009, 12:57
Ford has no plans in IRC next year:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80180

But M-Sport maybe has, cause apparantly there is a difference!

"IRC general manager Marcello Lotti has confirmed he is in negotiation with a private team which will be running a brace of Fiesta S2000s in IRC next season."

Hmmm....

PLuto
17th November 2009, 14:35
Ford will be in IRC next year...

Barreis
17th November 2009, 15:12
Good market for S2000 fiestas..

Sulland
17th November 2009, 18:44
Has to be a hard decision to buy a 250 000+ car without any comparison to the competition. A lot of people will follow Wilsom Jr closely in Scotland I guess......

noel157
17th November 2009, 18:47
[quote="Sulland"]Has to be a hard decision to buy a 250 000+ car without any comparison to the competition. A lot of people will follow Wilsom Jr closely in Scotland I guess......[/QUOTE

The whole field since he is doing safety car :)

J.Lindstroem
17th November 2009, 19:19
When is the official release for the car?

Mirek
17th November 2009, 19:29
Watch here ;)
http://www.fiestas2000.com/

Rally Power
17th November 2009, 20:02
Ford has no plans in IRC next year:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80180

But M-Sport maybe has, cause apparantly there is a difference!

Another Kronos/Peugeot scheme. If they win it'll be a Ford win, if they loose it'll be a Msport (or new satelite team) defeat...

Doesn't matter, hopefully more great cars and good drivers into IRC!

Buzz Lightyear
17th November 2009, 20:37
Another Kronos/Peugeot scheme. If they win it'll be a Ford win, if they loose it'll be a Msport (or new satelite team) defeat...

Doesn't matter, hopefully more great cars and good drivers into IRC!

They will need to put a decent driver in a car to beat Kopecky, Hanninen, Meeke. It will not be considered a decent car until it can beat these bunch.

Do I feel a drivers market developing?!

wwbroe
17th November 2009, 23:19
They will need to put a decent driver in a car to beat Kopecky, Hanninen, Meeke. It will not be considered a decent car until it can beat these bunch.

Do I feel a drivers market developing?!

Maybe we will see return of Markko Martin, who knows. He did a lot of the testing work for the Fiesta. :)

Barreis
17th November 2009, 23:23
Where did You find that?

fdebruyne
18th November 2009, 05:56
Maybe we will see return of Markko Martin, who knows. He did a lot of the testing work for the Fiesta. :)

Markko Martin has no IRC plans for 2010 incl not The MC

RS
18th November 2009, 08:53
Vouilloz could be free next year, and maybe Basso....

Roy
18th November 2009, 11:43
http://www.therallysite.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7060&Itemid=1

Roy
18th November 2009, 12:39
Website online:
http://www.fiestas2000.com/media/

modri dirkac
18th November 2009, 12:56
Nice, I hope it will be fast too. ;)

noel157
18th November 2009, 15:00
Colour scheme disappointing. No great noise too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsEwVMItpk&feature=player_embedded

Simmi
18th November 2009, 16:20
I'm liking the look of the car. I suppose the colour scheme is only temporary until they get it into competitive hands with sponsors. It kind of makes you lose the front of the car a bit. Very nice from the back though.

Mirek
18th November 2009, 16:40
I like it a lot. Looking forward to see it live in Monte Carlo :)

Juha_Koo
18th November 2009, 17:26
Ddddamn I just love this little sexy machine! :D I can't stop watching that video and those images. Damn, what a beauty. :love:

Cloverleaf
18th November 2009, 20:23
The new car's suspension is based on the MacPherson strut system, a simpler system than that currently in use on the Ford Focus RS WRC, but as on the WRC car, the Fiesta uses Reiger shock absorbers. However, new FIA rules which ban ball bearings in the dampers meant that significant research was needed into reducing the friction losses.
http://www.fiestas2000.com/media/index.php/technical-a-parts/technical-information

ste898
18th November 2009, 21:58
Colour scheme disappointing. No great noise too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsEwVMItpk&feature=player_embedded

It looks mint in that livery and the sound of the car is amazing!!!!!

urabus-denoS2000
18th November 2009, 23:26
The car is perfect!
Awesome sound,I could say the best from a modern rallycar I have heard in a long time,and the looks are just brutal!

Sulland
18th November 2009, 23:36
Chief Designer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0izZG_EJaU&feature=related
Chief Test engineer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5WqZ4sUVOA&feature=related
THE Chief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwIO6hMS6fM&feature=related

noel157
18th November 2009, 23:49
Chief Designer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0izZG_EJaU&feature=related
Chief Test engineer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5WqZ4sUVOA&feature=related
THE Chief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwIO6hMS6fM&feature=related

You left somebody out.

Sulland
19th November 2009, 00:34
Yes did not see them before I searched:
Launch video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjq0pNJ7sB0
Motorsport Director: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBqVFeesvyw
M-Sport Boss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFAbz6I0qk
Tester: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBqVFeesvyw

Was there any more ?

noel157
19th November 2009, 10:16
Yes did not see them before I searched:
Launch video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjq0pNJ7sB0
Motorsport Director: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBqVFeesvyw
M-Sport Boss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFAbz6I0qk
Tester: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBqVFeesvyw

Was there any more ?

No, only joking (the tester video).

Simmi
19th November 2009, 13:17
Does anyone know how many of Fiesta's they have used in testing so far?

I've counted two: PX58 AXF and PX59 AHG.

Roy
20th November 2009, 09:15
I know there are two (test) cars, Simmi. But I know only the 1st reg. plate.


M-Sport expecting to build 20 cars before March 2010 and a total of 50 cars in the first 12 months.
http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/faqs

Simmi
20th November 2009, 14:44
I know there are two (test) cars, Simmi. But I know only the 1st reg. plate.


M-Sport expecting to build 20 cars before March 2010 and a total of 50 cars in the first 12 months.
http://fiestas2000.com/index.php/faqs

Wow they are churning them out at a rate then. Exciting stuff.

I just hope that none of the flood water has got into Dovenby Hall and the M-Sport factory. Cockermouth has been BADLY hit by flooding over the past 24 hours. The streets are being navigated by motorised dinghys at the moment.

RS
20th November 2009, 18:31
The Fiesta looks really nice and I'm looking forward to seeing it on Monte. I expect Ford to register, even if they aren't funding a "works" team. Hopefully M-Sport will run a team with two decent drivers, that would be a virtual works team.

The car doesn't quite have the wonderful deep grunty sound of the Fabia to my ears, and I notice the engine has a shorter stroke so I don't expect it to be quite as torquey as the Fabia either.

The Fabia and Fiesta both share excellent Reiger suspension though so the new Ford should be good on the rough stuff :up:

noel157
20th November 2009, 19:50
Was talking to a guy who watched the Fiesta in Scotland today. He tells me it was visibly faster than Meeke or Wilk's car, especially on the uphill parts of the stage. Should make things interesting next season.

Mirek
20th November 2009, 20:41
If Mathew started 5 minutes before Alister to TV SS3, than he was 31 seconds slower than Alister in that stage. Of course he could have started in different time to make it more difficult to measure it's time (as Skoda did in Barum 08).

RS
20th November 2009, 20:45
Was talking to a guy who watched the Fiesta in Scotland today. He tells me it was visibly faster than Meeke or Wilk's car, especially on the uphill parts of the stage. Should make things interesting next season.

I find that quite hard to believe. Prefer to wait for real stage times next year!

RS
20th November 2009, 20:55
Here's a new (poor quality) video of the Fiesta:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbnfTVeHWAQ

noel157
20th November 2009, 21:42
I guess everybody's perception of speed is different and perhaps he only saw the speed of the car on a section that proved little. Hopefully somebody somewhere will have times.

RS, why do you think it would not have the speed (or maybe more of it) than the 207 nor Fabia?

The video gives a better indication of the sound, much better exhaust note can be heard than on the silly Spy Video.

dimviii
20th November 2009, 21:46
Here's a new (poor quality) video of the Fiesta:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbnfTVeHWAQ

Not so good in sound,but seems very healthy motor.

Xsara Fan
20th November 2009, 22:03
Ford guys said that Fiesta was a little slower than Kris Meeke.

Simmi
20th November 2009, 22:11
I think people doubting the speed doesn't necessarily come from the car but from the driver.

I mean if the Fiesta was actually faster than the two leaders what would that say about the car! That would be biblical with Matt Wilson behind the wheel. If they really wanted to compare times they would have put someone else in the car.

dimviii
20th November 2009, 22:12
Ford guys said that Fiesta was a little slower than Kris Meeke.

Little? :dozey:

Sulland
20th November 2009, 22:26
Would Wilson Sr beat Jr in the Fiesta ?
Is he still the better driver ?

Juha_Koo
20th November 2009, 22:48
Ford guys said that Fiesta was a little slower than Kris Meeke.

I'd rather say Matthew Wilson was a little slower than Meeke...

Buzz Lightyear
21st November 2009, 00:13
]If Mathew started 5 minutes before Alister to TV SS3, than he was 31 seconds slower than Alister in that stage. Of course he could have started in different time to make it more difficult to measure it's time (as Skoda did in Barum 08).

Why the big secret. There are covering up Matt more that the car. It appears from Autosport that there is still some niggle between Meeke and Malcolm Wilson. Its reaching the stage where Wilson would actually like Meeke to drive the Fiesta...

noel157
21st November 2009, 00:18
I came across this elsewhere:

Le petit Wilslöw n'a même plus le temps de cueillir ses champignons.

I suppose it's in Wilson's (papa and the boy) interest to put rumours around about the speed of the car.

noel157
21st November 2009, 11:52
The boy reckons he would be 3rd this weekend:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80277

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80276

RS
21st November 2009, 13:31
He says "in the mix for third", which means 4th ;)

But given that Matty probably isn't as quick as the first three, and it is the Fiesta's first event I can imagine it would be right up there with the Fabia and 207.

RS
22nd November 2009, 15:52
Few videos of the Fiesta in action in Scotland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C69ca96D2ec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKJA7RvLI6A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRjbre4WwwQ

Mirek
23rd November 2009, 18:59
Video from Karlozoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2I5ZBQ8gho

RS
23rd November 2009, 20:37
]Video from Karlozoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2I5ZBQ8gho

Very good video and car sounds better than it did in launch videos.

It looks fast, but Matthew is braking early then jabbing the throttle a lot. I am looking forward to seeing a test video with a proper asphalt set up.

Juha_Koo
23rd November 2009, 21:14
but Matthew is braking early then jabbing the throttle a lot.

You gave the best description about Matthew's driving ever. :)

I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw

It's like throttle-brake-throttle-brake-throttle-brake and that causes the rear to be super-anxious.

Buzz Lightyear
23rd November 2009, 22:04
I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw



OMG

noel157
23rd November 2009, 22:46
You gave the best description about Matthew's driving ever. :)

I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw

It's like throttle-brake-throttle-brake-throttle-brake and that causes the rear to be super-anxious.

All too true. I've never really paid much attention to the boy's incar before but he doesn't seem to commit to the notes. Hacking and sawing at the wheel and blipping the throttle until he sees the end of the corner before fully putting the foot down. No way to set decent times.

noel157
23rd November 2009, 23:02
]Video from Karlozoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2I5ZBQ8gho

Superb video Kevin (I know Mirek posted the link). I'm converted, the noise is fantastic.

RS
24th November 2009, 08:28
You gave the best description about Matthew's driving ever. :)

I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw

It's like throttle-brake-throttle-brake-throttle-brake and that causes the rear to be super-anxious.

Thank you :)

I can imagine this has even more disasterous effects in an S2000 car as you really have to keep those engines on the boil for them to work properly.

If they want to promote their car they will have to take a different driver for Monte, especially considering the Monte start list is likely to be a lot stronger than the Scotland one.

fastboy
24th November 2009, 16:49
You gave the best description about Matthew's driving ever. :)

I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw

It's like throttle-brake-throttle-brake-throttle-brake and that causes the rear to be super-anxious.

Don't forget 2008 rally gb conditions were -5 and the stages were very tricky,with ice and snow.The footage is from Rheola where in boards of Loeb show how many near offs he had.

fdebruyne
24th November 2009, 16:56
First Fiesta should be sold to Tuohino to use in WRC next year...

karlzoro
24th November 2009, 17:19
My video of the Fiesta in action @ Rally of Scotland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2I5ZBQ8gho

I hope you enjoy,
the other will be online tonight

Greetings,
K

Macd
24th November 2009, 23:17
I consider this onboard as a best example of Matthew's driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZjs051scw



Someone should tell him that throttles have more than two positions. There is no commitment either. He seems either very poor at attacking the corners or damnright scared of crashing.

Juha_Koo
25th November 2009, 00:55
or damnright scared of crashing.

Good that you brought that up. That makes me ask about his pace back in the BRC days. At the time I didn't follow his performances at all. But I know that Matthew had a big crash there. Was there a sudden drop in his performances after the crash...? Just curious...

karlzoro
25th November 2009, 11:02
Very good video and car sounds better than it did in launch videos.

It looks fast, but Matthew is braking early then jabbing the throttle a lot. I am looking forward to seeing a test video with a proper asphalt set up.

thanks for the reaction on my video

Gordini
2nd December 2009, 12:23
So 3 sold in a couple of weeks, not bad.

If they do well in monte, the number will go up...

I was hoping for a Renault Gordini S2000, but seems they will only do R3. :(

MJW
2nd December 2009, 13:42
All too true. I've never really paid much attention to the boy's incar before but he doesn't seem to commit to the notes. Hacking and sawing at the wheel and blipping the throttle until he sees the end of the corner before fully putting the foot down. No way to set decent times.
Thats how his dad used to drive as well - the ultimate throtle blipper. When you listened to Ari and Pentti in the Rothmans Escorts you could hear the engine howl for miles before they got to you. With Malcolm it was barp barping along the stage, same in the 6R4 compared to Tony Pond. I blamed it on not recovering from the accident on the Scottish when he broke his ankles, dont think the confidence ever came back, - maybe the same with Matt after Rally Wales and the broke leg. These 2 are British Championship material not World stars, father and son, on the other hand Malcolm has done fantastic things with MSport and the business side of things.

sal
2nd December 2009, 23:59
http://www.rally-news.fr/gallery/show/7268

None of that foreign muck when the M Sport boys are testing in France HP Sauce it is!

Great looking car!

RS
4th December 2009, 20:43
Couple more vids of Hirvonen's tests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFxXyIqghw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3xHDF3Ly9U

cali
4th December 2009, 21:14
Couple more vids of Hirvonen's tests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFxXyIqghw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3xHDF3Ly9U


Very, very nice! Who said that S2000 cars cannot be spectacular?

RS
4th December 2009, 22:53
Very, very nice! Who said that S2000 cars cannot be spectacular?

I would rather watch this than a Focus WRC...

Simmi
4th December 2009, 23:04
It is all about the drivers I think. You put a truly great driver in an S2000 pushing maximum attack and you get nice results. I dont think it will be too many rallies before we are used to this new formula in the WRC.

cali
5th December 2009, 09:51
I would rather watch this than a Focus WRC...

During the video I came up with the same idea. Even if You can clearly see, that this car is slower than WRC, it still produces more excitement.

Simmi is also right - put a top driver into S2000 and voila! :p

Helstar
6th December 2009, 16:10
I totally agree. Imagine also JML, Petter, PJ, Gigi, Atkinson and all the others on these evil little toys, great great... they are constantly improving on performance too so it will be even better as time passes by ...

Sulland
6th December 2009, 18:02
Some of us said this a while ago, and to get the 1600T into action in 2013. Would have been better than the current one.

Simmi
6th December 2009, 18:31
Yeah the switch could have been made for this year to basic form S2000 and it would have been much more logical. Get all the manu's on board and then go forward and add power. Next year is just really dragging out an extended funeral of the current era.

Ondra WRC
14th December 2009, 16:56
Nasser Al-Attiyah in the Fiesta S2000, selected races IRC, S-WRC and MERC

alleskids
14th December 2009, 18:06
Great news, S2000 is conquering the MERC. Do you know more details, which rallies?

Ondra WRC
14th December 2009, 18:57
yet been determined competition, where he will start ... ;)

Barreis
1st January 2010, 22:19
Is it homologated from today?

alterdaxter
5th January 2010, 11:26
So no Fiesta's delivered yet?

Did somebody pick up some rumours about homologation issue's or building stress at M-Sport?

ProRally
5th January 2010, 12:30
rumors has it 36 ordered !! Can imagine some building stress..... :D :D

ste898
6th January 2010, 23:09
Have they got rid of the major starting problem they have with the Fiesta's I heard its a big worry for M-Sport?

As they cant find where the problem is.........

Sulland
7th January 2010, 08:14
Starting problem, is that in starting the engine or getting off the startline on the stage ?

ste898
7th January 2010, 21:39
Starting problem, is that in starting the engine or getting off the startline on the stage ?


From what I have heard it is starting as they have been needing push stared.....if anyne from m-sport reads this they will be fuming as they dont want ayone to know....

Mirek
7th January 2010, 21:43
Every new car have problems which take time to solve. We'll see how they deal with it in their short timetable.

PLuto
8th January 2010, 04:41
Ford (M-Sport) is registered in IRC - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=9712

ProRally
8th January 2010, 08:30
Ford (M-Sport) is registered in IRC - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=9712

Good news, we all knew that it was coming with so many Fiesta's ordered and running in IRC ....

pettersolberg29
8th January 2010, 09:30
How many Fiesta's are in IRC though? Only Mikko, Maurin in Monte and only Al-Attiyah and possibly Mikkelsen full-time.

RS
8th January 2010, 10:38
Whatever car Mikkelsen runs, he will be strong.

This was a logical decision by Ford to promote their brand and the Fiesta S2000.

ProRally
8th January 2010, 12:20
How many Fiesta's are in IRC though? Only Mikko, Maurin in Monte and only Al-Attiyah and possibly Mikkelsen full-time.

Don't think Nasser will do lot of IRC, he registered for S-WRC.....

PLuto
8th January 2010, 12:44
You will see...

ProRally
8th January 2010, 13:00
You will see...

To do Full time S-WRC+MERC+IRC is not possible....

Monte Carlo is same weekend as MERC Qatar and I believe there are more conflicts.

Already now he has to hurry home from Dakar to start recce for Qatar

milly
8th January 2010, 13:29
They've also had 3 engine failures in testing as well.

ProRally
8th January 2010, 13:49
They've also had 3 engine failures in testing as well.

True.... but Pipo will sort it out (lets hope so)....

milly
8th January 2010, 13:54
Agree - I think it will be a very good car with the knowledge M-Sport has of the WRC Focus.

ProRally
8th January 2010, 14:01
Agree - I think it will be a very good car with the knowledge M-Sport has of the WRC Focus.

True, i am not big fan of Christian, but he did make a good car at Subaru and then the Focus, so i believe he will he made a good Fiesta.

We will know in 1 month :D :D :D

pucky54
8th January 2010, 14:11
True, i am not big fan of Christian, but he did make a good car at Subaru and then the Focus, so i believe he will he made a good Fiesta.

We will know in 1 month :D :D :D

I would say two weeks

milly
8th January 2010, 14:18
One question - how does M-Sport register as a Manufacturer with IRC?

The car is a Ford, it is homologated as a Ford by Ford. There isn't an M-Sport road car base version....

Is IRC making up rules as it goes along just to get teams involved?

urabus-denoS2000
8th January 2010, 14:22
Dont forget that Ralliart is registered not Mitsubishi ;)

bluuford
8th January 2010, 15:04
To do Full time S-WRC+MERC+IRC is not possible....

Monte Carlo is same weekend as MERC Qatar and I believe there are more conflicts.

Already now he has to hurry home from Dakar to start recce for Qatar

Yeah, definitely he cannot do Monte, as the Dakar ends so late that he should miss all recce and that is not allowed. But the year is long...

PLuto
8th January 2010, 15:07
Nasser didnt planned to go to Monte...

RICARDO75
8th January 2010, 20:15
Possible rallys for Nasser in swrc and irc (I belive that he will exclude tarmac rallys):

11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC;
05 MAR. Brazil (gravel) IRC or Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC;
06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
28 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 Aug. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 Aug. Germany (tarmac) SWRC;
09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC or Asturias (tarmac) IRC;
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC

alleskids
8th January 2010, 20:49
Al Attiyah starts SWRC in Mexico, so no Sweden (SWRC), and no Brasil (IRC). He will defintly do the Qatar rally (MERC) 21-23 januari. He skips rallying in februari. Now that VW is highly going to WRC, he is free of testing and doing rally raids with the Race Touareg.
The Jordan rally (SWRT) and the Cyprus Rally (IRC) are also counting for the MERC, so those will be on his list this year.

alleskids
8th January 2010, 21:05
* 21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC; or Brazil (gravel) IRC
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
28 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 Aug. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 Aug. Germany (tarmac) SWRC;
09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC or Asturias (tarmac) IRC;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

* most likeley to compete in

RICARDO75
8th January 2010, 21:50
You'r right. I forgot that he will only start the season swrc/ irc in Mexico.
I hope that he will come to Azores.

RICARDO75
8th January 2010, 21:58
* 21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC; or Brazil (gravel) IRC
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
28 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 Aug. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 Aug. Germany (tarmac) SWRC;
09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC or Asturias (tarmac) IRC;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

* most likeley to compete in

Mexico and Kuwait are seperated for only one week. He will Probably miss Kuwait, or he has a second Fiesta in the Meadle East?

Simmi
8th January 2010, 22:31
Mexico and Kuwait are seperated for only one week. He will Probably miss Kuwait, or he has a second Fiesta in the Meadle East?

Yep he does. He's not playing around this season.

alleskids
8th January 2010, 22:48
21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
05 MAY Brazil (gravel) IRC - skipping;
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
28 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 Aug. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 Aug. Germany (tarmac) SWRC;
09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC /
09 SEP. Asturias (tarmac) IRC;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

* most likeley to compete in

EDIT:Portugal 28-30 may was left out of the list

pucky54
8th January 2010, 22:57
Barum is missing too

RICARDO75
8th January 2010, 23:20
21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
05 MAY Brazil (gravel) IRC - skipping;
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
28 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 AUG. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 AUG. Germany (tarmac) SWRC;
27 AUG. Barum (tarmac) IRC;
09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC ;
09 SEP. Asturias (tarmac) IRC;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

Thank you both for the missing rallies

alleskids
8th January 2010, 23:42
In IRC the best 7 results count? Everybody going to Brasil and/or Argentina will get a big advance, as their will be a minimum starting grid. So far only Meeke (Peugeot) and Vilagra (Ford) will be present. Hopefully Skoda will be present.

Mirek
8th January 2010, 23:44
Kopecky and Hanninen will be there.

alleskids
9th January 2010, 23:44
Nasser Al Attiyah and Barwa World rally Team published their SWRC program, so we can fill in more pieces of his 2010 rally year puzzle.

* 21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
05 MAY Brazil (gravel) IRC - skipping;
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
* 06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
* 28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
05 AUG. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 AUG. Germany (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
27 AUG. Barum (tarmac) IRC;
* 09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC;
09 SEP. Asturias (tarmac) IRC - skipping;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC - skipping;
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
* 11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

wwbroe
10th January 2010, 09:05
Nasser Al Attiyah and Barwa World rally Team published their SWRC program, so we can fill in more pieces of his 2010 rally year puzzle.

* 21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
05 MAY Brazil (gravel) IRC - skipping;
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
* 06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
* 28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
05 AUG. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 AUG. Germany (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
27 AUG. Barum (tarmac) IRC;
* 09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC;
09 SEP. Asturias (tarmac) IRC - skipping;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC - skipping;
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
* 11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

The date of Rally Brazil is not correct in my opinion, but looks like he will skipp that one anyway, so it is not so important. :D

pantealex
10th January 2010, 11:37
Nasser Al Attiyah and Barwa World rally Team published their SWRC program, so we can fill in more pieces of his 2010 rally year puzzle.

11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
* 06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
* 28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
19 AUG. Germany (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
* 09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
* 11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC

SWRC you have to drive 7 and there is only 6 in this list and Finland (gravel) is missing from calender

alleskids
10th January 2010, 12:31
Thanks Pantealex. How could we have missed the best rally :) ?

* 21 JAN. Qatar MERC;
11 FEB. Sweden (snow) SWRC - skipping;
* 05 MAR. Mexico (gravel) SWRC;
05 MAY Brazil (gravel) IRC - skipping;
11 MAR. Kuwait MERC;
19 MAR. Argentina (gravel) IRC;
* 01 APR. Jordan (gravel) SWRC/MERC;
22 APR. Saudi Arabia MERC
* 06 MAY. New Zealand (gravel) SWRC;
* 28 MAY. Portugal (gravel) SWRC
04 JUN. Sardegna (gravel) IRC;
24 JUN. Ypres (tarmac) IRC;
15 JUL. Azores (gravel) IRC;
* 30 JUL. Finland (gravel) SWRC;
05 AUG. Madeira (tarmac) IRC;
19 AUG. Germany (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
27 AUG. Barum (tarmac) IRC;
* 09 SEP. Japan (gravel) SWRC;
09 SEP. Asturias (tarmac) IRC - skipping;
11 SEP. Libanon (tarmac) MERC - skipping;
23 SEP. Sanremo (gravel/ tarmac) IRC;
01 OCT. France (tarmac) SWRC - skipping;
07 OCT. Syria MERC;
14 OCT. Scotland (gravel) IRC;
* 04 NOV. Cyprus (gravel/ tarmac) IRC/MERC;
* 11 NOV. Wales (gravel) SWRC
02 DEC. Dubai MERC

ste898
10th January 2010, 23:12
Is this still the M-Sport fiesta thread?????

pettersolberg29
10th January 2010, 23:24
Just been temporarily hijacked by Al-Attiyah I believe!

ProRally
11th January 2010, 09:38
Any news on the homologation of the Fiesta.... ?

If they want to use it next week it is getting close

Barreis
11th January 2010, 12:57
Don't worry.. Mr Wilson won't let money to go away..

alleskids
18th January 2010, 17:51
Nasser Al Attiyah and Khalid Al Qassimi wil make the real rally performance debut of the Ford Fiesta S2000 in the upcoming Qatar rally

wwbroe
18th January 2010, 18:59
Still no news about homologation? If they want to start in Monte i guess it is high time? :D

ProRally
18th January 2010, 19:10
Still no news about homologation? If they want to start in Monte i guess it is high time? :D

Again rumors, but apparently they will start under appeal as there are some 'issues"....
Looking forward to seeing the homologation document.

wwbroe
18th January 2010, 20:01
Again rumors, but apparently they will start under appeal as there are some 'issues"....
Looking forward to seeing the homologation document.

Yes, there are rumours that they have an issue with engine and more particular with the valves. I tought they passes before FIA technical commission last wednesday, that is why i was asking. Personally i think it could be problem if Hirvonen makes good result. :D

ZequeArgentina
18th January 2010, 21:38
Nasser himself told he will be present at Argentina rally in IRC (March) with his Fiesta.
That was during Dakar, I heard him myself.

noel157
18th January 2010, 22:32
Nasser himself told he will be present at Argentina rally in IRC (March) with his Fiesta.
That was during Dakar, I heard him myself.

Excellent news Zeque. Look forward to seeing him. Nasser seems to have discovered some "grunt" after Dakar. Much more aggressive driving style than anything we saw in the PWRC.

RS
19th January 2010, 10:03
Excellent news Zeque. Look forward to seeing him. Nasser seems to have discovered some "grunt" after Dakar. Much more aggressive driving style than anything we saw in the PWRC.

I think that anyone will look more agressive driving a nice agile S2000 car than a big ponderous traditional N4.

alleskids
19th January 2010, 17:34
The "administrative problem" by questioning the involvement of the Ford Fiesta Super 2000 Rallye Monte-Carlo is resolved, the cars of Mikko Hirvonen and Julien Maurin are allowed to leave.

Christian Loriaux, technical director at M-Sport, admits still have "felt obliged to return to the factory. Today 17.15

Simmi
19th January 2010, 18:22
Are there issues with the front bumper on the cars too?

Sulland
19th January 2010, 18:41
Do we have anyone here that know, and not just think what the issues with the Fiesta was ?

Simmi
19th January 2010, 18:46
Do we have anyone here that know, and not just think what the issues with the Fiesta was ?

Yeah would be great to have some cold hard facts. Team statement etc. Hopefully they can speak to Mikko after this first stage.

ProRally
19th January 2010, 19:25
According to Mr Wilson all is well and no problems at all.....

Roy
19th January 2010, 21:58
The "administrative problem" by questioning the involvement of the Ford Fiesta Super 2000 Rallye Monte-Carlo is resolved, the cars of Mikko Hirvonen and Julien Maurin are allowed to leave.

Christian Loriaux, technical director at M-Sport, admits still have "felt obliged to return to the factory. Today 17.15

Where do you have the quotes from? Any link?

alleskids
19th January 2010, 22:23
http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/irc/breve-26-2-4925/190110-les-fiesta-s2000-au-depart-