CMR2 WRC Silly Season Rumors [Archive]

JTLarsen

24th August 2009, 18:17

Maybe we could move WRC category onto quicker Puma base and S2000 onto WRC bases. Or something like that, to make speed differences more realistic.

Great idea!

I really don't know about next year as I have found it really hard to find the time for the events during this season.

I would like to remain with the Two Basses Rally Development team, I know that NOR will be really busy in real life next year too, but I do hope that the team will continue! If nothing else then on a low key basis.

Perhaps a change back to ford for the last year of the true WRC's

NOR

25th August 2009, 11:41

Exactly. It's not easy to find a time to race now and it will not be easier next year. But we want to continue somehow. Maybe with Ford, maybe with SX4, or maybe with the car just growing in my garage - the newest WRC, which is still missing in CMR2.

JTLarsen

25th August 2009, 15:19

OOoooh tell me It's the Subaru S14??

jso1985

25th August 2009, 19:58

Hey guys, there's one thing I'm not confortably enough with, due our low entry rate(let's face it if we get more than 12 drivers in one event, it's rare) having two separate cups doesn't seem like the best idea IMO

While I'm not a particular fan of the Puma, we could start using that car too, but first I think we need to decide wheter we're gonna use WRC or S2000 cars

tannat

25th August 2009, 22:53

Hey guys, there's one thing I'm not confortably enough with, due our low entry rate(let's face it if we get more than 12 drivers in one event, it's rare) having two separate cups doesn't seem like the best idea IMO

jso1985 is right...

Perhaps as the 'other' championship raher than run the IRC as I have this year I could run the WRC S2000 championship...

52Paddy

26th August 2009, 12:12

Personally myself, I don't think we should feel obliged to copy exactly what the real WRC does. For rally selection and dates, it should be as close as we can get. But car/class selection is proving a difficult issue right now, so I think we should just press on with what we have (WRC cars.) And just have 1 class (WRC.) Seperate championships (like tannat's CMR2 IRC) can cater for a difference of car/class throughout the season.

As jso pointed out, a two-tier championship would not work with the low entries we pull these days. I couldn't imagine anybody complaining if we just had WRC cars and a WRC class, even if its not what they have in real life. After all, we just want to have some fun with this game. I say, for manufacturer teams, allow the 6 cars within the game and then real manufacturer teams on top of that. If somebody want to drive a different car/skin other than those, then they can start a privateer team :) Just my two cents.

For what its worth, I'm quite enjoying the Focus right now. But I've always been a fan of the Peugeot too so I may end up in some team with a car like that. Or I might go for a Subaru because thats a team/car I've NEVER driven for.

lcd

26th August 2009, 15:19

IMO, It would be great If cmr2 WRC and cmr2 IRC became one,
for next season!
That would be Invigorative, refreshing and would probably keep
entries high... ;)

...I don't think we should feel obliged to copy exactly what the real WRC does...

Well said there! Tannat & jso1985 have enough Imagination to work out
a more Interesting championship, than just following the real calendar!

jimakos

26th August 2009, 16:37

IMO, It would be great If cmr2 WRC and cmr2 IRC became one,
for next season!
That would be Invigorative, refreshing and would probably keep
entries high... ;)

I agree with LCD!There are a little differences between 2 rallies of jso and tannat!
It would be nice to become one rally of cmr2 with more graphics,photos and imagination from the one who will take the responsibility of this.
So,entries may become more but and they who participate do the best for this rally...
My opinion is that the 2 rallies are a little old-fashioned and don't attract people to come.Think about it...

NOR

27th August 2009, 09:30

to JTL: yes it is, but just in my CMR2 garage :)
to all: I agree, there is so poor entrylist and we probably should concentrate just on one series. So I like the idea to have one (WRC) championship with WRC and S2000 cars running together. There is just a question if car performances should be more or less realistic. If there should be (apart of total classification) separate S2000 pointing etc. Any idea has something worth, but rememeber what Paddy said - we are gaming for fun, not for exact copying of real world.

Btw. I have a plan to make a Marathon Rally style event next year. It shouldn't be an all year series, but something between usual "one week" rally and long series. I want to make more difficult and surprising style of CMR2 rallying. There should be a different way to choose stages, restricted cars choice and restricted setup. I hope my bunch of raid rally cars will come to more action at least. How do you like the idea?

lcd

27th August 2009, 09:43

...Ihave a plan to make a Marathon Rally style event
next year. It shouldn't be an all year series, but something between usual "one week" rally and long series. I want to make more difficult and surprising style of CMR2 rallying. There should be a different way to choose stages, restricted cars choice and restricted setup...

I agree on the whole! :up:

tannat

27th August 2009, 15:42

IMO, It would be great If cmr2 WRC and cmr2 IRC became one,
for next season!
That would be Invigorative, refreshing and would probably keep
entries high... ;)

Well said there! Tannat & jso1985 have enough Imagination to work out
a more Interesting championship, than just following the real calendar!

LCD-you are suggesting that we do have a combined WRC and S2000 championship?

It is really difficult to attract new entries, and have a look at my split class IRC. Lost in one class but only 2 entrants in S1600.

If we run the WRC in such a way I would wager the result would be the same. The IRC is strong in numbers, but the S1600 class is week. It would be a pity to see this happen to the WRC.

I think a one class championship makes sense.

Perhaps if competitors wished to have two entries per rally (one WRC and one S2000) that might be an option.

Establishing a minimum number of entrants to justify the class is an idea..

tannat

27th August 2009, 15:43

Btw. I have a plan to make a Marathon Rally style event next year. It shouldn't be an all year series, but something between usual "one week" rally and long series. I want to make more difficult and surprising style of CMR2 rallying. There should be a different way to choose stages, restricted cars choice and restricted setup. I hope my bunch of raid rally cars will come to more action at least. How do you like the idea?

Elaborate, NOR. I am really curious....

lcd

27th August 2009, 16:57

...Perhaps if competitors wished to have two entries per rally (one WRC and one S2000) that might be an option.

I personally am following that option this season... ;)

What about stop following the real WRC/IRC Calendar?
I joined the series this year, so don't have any problem; but what about members have been around here for years?
Could some have got bored racing every year, the same countries, the same stages, In the same order, the same dates?

Imaginary championship, with Imaginery rallies and maybe mix n' match
stages ( based on surfaces or other criteria... ) would be challenging and refreshing...

Finally, I think there should be somekind of a new presentation there,
offering some 'eye candies' apart from racing the rally, as I feel this
keeps competitors Interest high...

tannat

27th August 2009, 18:02

I personally am following that option this season... ;)

What about stop following the real WRC/IRC Calendar?
I joined the series this year, so don't have any problem; but what about members have been around here for years?
Could some have got bored racing every year, the same countries, the same stages, In the same order, the same dates?

Imaginary championship, with Imaginery rallies and maybe mix n' match
stages ( based on surfaces or other criteria... ) would be challenging and refreshing...

Finally, I think there should be somekind of a new presentation there,
offering some 'eye candies' apart from racing the rally, as I feel this
keeps competitors Interest high...

I think all of us are not only gaming enthusiasts but also WRC enthusiasts, so having corresponding schedules adds to the experience (I kinda like it). Nothing wrong with your suggestion-it could indeed add to the experience...

Eye candy (photo shots, etc) is time consuming. And I know my schedule and jso1985's fairly well. We are just lucky if we have time to do the rally!

I think either of us would gladly accept outside contributions in that regard.

lcd

27th August 2009, 18:32

I think all of us are not only gaming enthusiasts but also WRC enthusiasts, so having corresponding schedules adds to the experience (I kinda like it).

I know what you mean there...Feels like rallying the real thing... ;)

Eye candy (photo shots, etc) is time consuming.
Ask me about It... :D

tannat

27th August 2009, 19:53

I know what you mean there...Feels like rallying the real thing... ;)

Ask me about It... :D

You have a PM...

52Paddy

28th August 2009, 10:00

Perhaps if competitors wished to have two entries per rally (one WRC and one S2000) that might be an option.

Establishing a minimum number of entrants to justify the class is an idea..

I think this can be done if there is enough difference between the classes. I just had a brainwave there. WRC class could run the in-game WRC cars (as usual.) For S2000, we could run the slower historic cars (skinned as S2000 for PC players.) Slower historic cars would include the Ford Sierra, Mini Cooper and Escort Mk1 at least. I haven't tested them all, but that's from memory. That way, there will be a clear divide in the stage times between both classes and the cars will be a completely different experience for the competitor, hopefully attracting more double-entries.

Could some have got bored racing every year, the same countries, the same stages, In the same order, the same dates?

My problem is not really with following the real schedule. I think that is ok (though a mix/match of stages for some rallies would be pretty cool. Seems to work in IRC :up: ) I was more concerned about following the real manufacturer entry lists. For 2010, the real WRC is in a mess. I haven't been following the action (or lack of) this season, but have read the odd article and things don't look great as far as manufacturer backing is concerned. But, our CMR2 championship shouldn't suffer because of that. We should still leave manufacturer teams available to join, even if the real WRC doesn't have them. There are six cars in the game, so we could make official teams for each one; even if they're outdated, so what!

1. Ford Focus WRC09 (Ford Focus): BP Ford
2. Mitsubishi Lancer WRC (Lancer): Ralliart Mitsubishi
3. Subaru Impreza WRC09 (Impreza): SWRT
4. Skoda Fabia WRC (Corolla): Skoda Motorsport
5. Suzuki SX4 (Pug 206): Suzuki Motorsport
6. Citroen C4 (Cordoba): Citroen Total

Then, for S2000, we could designate equivelant cars to the historic class:

1. Fiat Punto S2000 (Sierra)
2. Pug 207 (Mini)
3. Fabia S2000 (Escort)

Just an 'off the top of my head' suggestion which I think would be better for the championship.

JTLarsen

30th August 2009, 20:38

I think all of us are not only gaming enthusiasts but also WRC enthusiasts, so having corresponding schedules adds to the experience (I kinda like it). .

I'll second that!

I'm not really a fan of imaginary events, championships or all of the cups that has been added to the CMR2 IRC & WRC.

A single championship might be the way to go, even though I love to have 2 different championships like we have now!

NOR

31st August 2009, 12:53

Originally Posted by NOR http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=680879#post680879)
Btw. I have a plan to make a Marathon Rally style event next year. It shouldn't be an all year series, but something between usual "one week" rally and long series. I want to make more difficult and surprising style of CMR2 rallying. There should be a different way to choose stages, restricted cars choice and restricted setup. I hope my bunch of raid rally cars will come to more action at least. How do you like the idea?

Elaborate, NOR. I am really curious....

The basic idea of stages/rallies mix with some restrictions of setup is similar like your IRC. Cars will be hardly restricted, as raid cars are not so wild as WRC. The biggest news is that I don't want to make stages just as are, from start to finish point. There should be an pictures itinerary with turn back points and some offroad parts. So it will make stages longer and harder. I want to spend few hours on the preparation of the marathon stages, to make it clear for drivers and friendly with game options.

jso1985

1st September 2009, 20:11

. We should still leave manufacturer teams available to join, even if the real WRC doesn't have them. There are six cars in the game, so we could make official teams for each one; even if they're outdated, so what!

Since the championship started, there hasn't been any restrictions on which WRC car you may use or how many teams may use the same car, it's even allowed to run the SEAT Cordoba as Skoda Octavia if you want to!.

Now the ugly part guys, after some thinking, I have decided to step down as organizer of the CMR2 WRC, you noted how I struggled this year with publishing results, and next year I know I will be more busy, so I need a new organizer!, let me know if you're interested.

Now my opinion on next's years championship, I like to follow the WRC calendar, it gives a "sepcial" feeling, plus it helps me to remember to do my runs :p , as for the cars, I'd rather stay with WRC cars

jimakos

2nd September 2009, 13:46

Jso1985 we all thank you for everything you have done so far!
I really understand that because of free time you can't continue doing that!
So,I would like very much to organise the WRC of next season...
If of course there isn't any problem I'll be very happy to do this!!!
Any opinions?

JTLarsen

2nd September 2009, 15:14

tannat

2nd September 2009, 16:14

New WRC promotor:

I hear that Tannat might be interested in the position too, having been in the championship for years, he gets my vote! :D

WRC 2010:

I like it when the championship is as realistic as possible, meaning real races, and cars.

I'm going to step down and let jimakos have it and provide support...

I kinda like having the 'second' CMR2 championship... ;)

jimakos

2nd September 2009, 16:17

Thanks tannat!!
I'll give my best for this rally championship...

jso1985

3rd September 2009, 02:54

jimakos

3rd September 2009, 10:32

Thanks guys! It's been a wonderful 5 years organizing this little fun thing!

ok, Jimakos, you got it, to give some room for practice maybe I could send the timecards for this rally so you can practice how to work on the results, no worries how long it takes you, I will take care of everything until the end of the send, let me know if you're interested or you want to do it in anothe rally

Thanks jso!!I would like to send me these cards for testing your job!
I've never got in yahoo for looking what you have made,I tried but didn't manage to enter...
I was thinking for a completely different WRC championship next year.
I want to ask you to continue WRC championship for this year because I need some time more to prepare new stuff for the next season!!
Although,about timecards I'm thinking to publish them in the forum after the results...
How does it hearing to you?
I'm waiting for your timecards to decide if I'll keep them.

jimakos

3rd September 2009, 13:05

I would like to know guys how many of you can I count for next season WRC championship?
And if there are any new ideas about the new championship,I want to hear them!!

tannat

3rd September 2009, 15:00

I would like to know guys how many of you can I count for next season WRC championship?
And if there are any new ideas about the new championship,I want to hear them!!

I'll be there, jimakos.

I'd suggest running along with the WRC calendar. beyond that it is all you....

jimakos

3rd September 2009, 15:06

I'll be there, jimakos.

I'd suggest running along with the WRC calendar. beyond that it is all you....

Great news tannat!
Of course I'll keep the WRC calendar in the next championship,is something the most of us want...

I am evil Homer

3rd September 2009, 16:02

I'll be there!!!

jimakos

3rd September 2009, 16:29

I'll be there!!!

Nice to have you there Homer!
You are really too fast and we need drivers with experience like you... :)

lcd

3rd September 2009, 17:49

Count me In mate!
Since I came In this forum, I'm rallying so much ( cmr2 IRC, cmr2 WRC, RBR ) than never before In my life... :D

52Paddy

5th September 2009, 17:11

So will I. I believe I've made a big improvement this year. With a bit more consistant driving next year, I expect to make a bigger impression on the leaderboard. Cheers jso, its been great driving in your championship from when you took over from studiose way back in 2005!! And thank you jimakos for taking up the reigns and agreeing to keep us rallying for 2010 :up:

jimakos

6th September 2009, 07:00

Nice to have and Paddy next year!!
Jso I finally managed to get in yahoo and looked the impressive job you are doing there!!
Well done mate :up:
So,I don't need the timecards because I already have them!
The only problem is that I want to publish all my results in forum so I'll see what I'll do!!

Mithus

6th September 2009, 13:10

Count me in 2.

But next season ( WRC / IRC) im out from Olca Team Madeira. If anyone needs a team mate, let me know :p :

jso1985

7th September 2009, 00:44

Count me in!

jimakos

7th September 2009, 22:17

Thanks all of you guys!!
It seems next year WRC will be very crowded :p

lcd

8th September 2009, 09:00

...It seems next year WRC will be very crowded :p

In my opinion, the most Important thing for next year's championships
Is the consistency of the so far existing members of CMR2 Groups.
Of course new entries are always welcomed, but we must reasure that
there will be 10-12 entries per event, no matter what...

Also, another great thing would be to know who are running each event;
this can be done only If the promoters of the championships, request the
competitors entries, before the start of each rally.
I 'm aware that this may be some trouble for some of us,
but It would give the championship more reliability...

Finally, I'd like to see some competitors, posting more often
In every rally's thread, so a discussion would be easier !
( that depends on everyone's free time and mood of course...)

52Paddy

8th September 2009, 12:14

In my opinion, the most Important thing for next year's championships
Is the consistency of the so far existing members of CMR2 Groups.
Of course new entries are always welcomed, but we must reasure that
there will be 10-12 entries per event, no matter what...

Also, another great thing would be to know who are running each event;
this can be done only If the promoters of the championships, request the
competitors entries, before the start of each rally.
I 'm aware that this may be some trouble for some of us,
but It would give the championship more reliability...

Finally, I'd like to see some competitors, posting more often
In every rally's thread, so a discussion would be easier !
( that depends on everyone's free time and mood of course...)

This usually works up until about round 4, when it begins to die off. Its been happening sine about 2007 and is just a sign of the times around this forum I'm afraid. 2010 may spring a surprise though, fingers crossed.