Rally Australia

[Wim_Impreza]

So what are u trying to say? That PWRC leader should risk full PWRC points just to beat some aussie, how many weeks was it again u have followed rally?

Paddon and Mason are from New Zealand, but I agree with you too.

[Tomi]

Paddon and Mason are from New Zealand, but I agree with you too.

I know they are, but he was talking about the past ;)

[Helstar]

]How does the speed of cars relate to championship quality? Especialy for someone who is not on the other side of the globe and watches results on PC? I'm just curious cause I can't see any excitement from cars I don't see and hear...
lol n.1 ... I wouldn't even replied to the troll, but your post is perfection :)

[A.F.F.]

Why do you follow this "s*hit" if it's a farce?

1. I'm a Finn. Hence, it's in my blood. I can't live without blood, right?

2. You're right. I like it. Even it's a farce crappy image of the sport I fell in love with, it's about a million times better than let's say, f1.

3. Somewhere deep down I probably wish things could turn to better. Like forthcoming years with the new rules and HOPEFULLY, more manufacturers and drivers.

4. Meanwhile, waiting for it to happen, I don't want to miss a second of this crap that I still in some sick way love.

[Juha_Koo]

lol n.1 ... I wouldn't even replied to the troll, but your post is perfection :)

Saying my opinion is trolling? Okay. I guess 18 messages were enough for me - a troll.


]How does the speed of cars relate to championship quality? Especialy for someone who is not on the other side of the globe and watches results on PC? I'm just curious cause I can't see any excitement from cars I don't see and hear...

I did not say that the speed of the cars makes the championship top-notch. It was just a point which I brought up from the championship.

Rules are rules, and they cause tactical decisions. Because I can't shape the rules, I don't whine, but I accept them and focus my attention to tactics. Yes, I admit, tactics shouldn't have such a significant role. But at this moment, they are part of the sport.

Am I really the only one who feels that it's exciting to follow the splits and listen to the comments - watching the reviews and onboards? Situation evolving all the time. Puncture there, a small off here. Then some tactics, calculations/technicues not always failproof (Ford Sardinia). It's not even 50% as exciting as being in the forest, but damn, we're talking about rally here.

The basic essence of rallying is still there. I promise, then I'll stop watching rallying when one rally consists of 35 Super Specials driven in some arena filled with drunken people asking "Why don't they collide with each other. That would be super cool!"

[Mirek]

Don't get me wrong. Rally Australia is quite a lot interesting compared to many others in last few years. It just seemed a bit funny to me to mention the speed of cars as the reason while all of us here on forum follow the rally on the internet ;)

[bluuford]

1. I'm a Finn. Hence, it's in my blood. I can't live without blood, right?

2. You're right. I like it. Even it's a farce crappy image of the sport I fell in love with, it's about a million times better than let's say, f1.

3. Somewhere deep down I probably wish things could turn to better. Like forthcoming years with the new rules and HOPEFULLY, more manufacturers and drivers.

4. Meanwhile, waiting for it to happen, I don't want to miss a second of this crap that I still in some sick way love.

Exactly my words!

Do you know what would be the ultimate teamwork? Even better than last year Whales when Citroen made organizers to cancel a few stages because of snow and nice argument that rescue machines cannot access? It would be Latvala pretending all day long that he has disadvantage to force Loeb to loose a few seconds and next day Hirvonen bags it :-)
And there might be some truth. As the current windspeed in Kyogle is 0.0 m/s and maximum expected wind is 3 m/s

[Zes]

Exactly my words!

Do you know what would be the ultimate teamwork? Even better than last year Whales when Citroen made organizers to cancel a few stages because of snow and nice argument that rescue machines cannot access? It would be Latvala pretending all day long that he has disadvantage to force Loeb to loose a few seconds and next day Hirvonen bags it :-)
And there might be some truth. As the current windspeed in Kyogle is 0.0 m/s and maximum expected wind is 3 m/s

Bluuford, I bet you will soon get a call from M-Sport. That would be excellent tactics :D

[alleskids]

SS26 Monroe 1 7.40 km 07:14 - [5.9 23:14 CZ]
SS27 Castrol Edge West 1 21.52 km 07:36 - [5.9 23:36 CZ]
SS28 Gondwana 1 10.88 km 08:37 - [6.9 00:37 CZ]
SS29 Upper Clarence 1 6.94 km 08:56 - [6.9 00:56 CZ]
Ss30 CTEK West 2 8.59 km 09:40 - [6.9 01:40 CZ]
Service H - Kyogle - 15 min 10:17

SS31 Monroe 2 7.40 km 11:03 - [6.9 03:03 CZ]
SS32 Castrol Edge West 2 21.52 km 11:25 - [6.9 03:25 CZ]
SS33 Gondwana 2 10.88 km 12:26 - [6.9 04:26 CZ]
SS34 Upper Clarence 2 6.94 km 12:45 - [6.9 04:45 CZ]
SS35 Murmur 2 22.41 km 13:27 - [6.9 05:27 CZ]
Service I - Kingscliff - 10 min

[karo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGPZNxnLhQ

[Tomi]

]Don't get me wrong. Rally Australia is quite a lot interesting compared to many others in last few years. It just seemed a bit funny to me to mention the speed of cars as the reason while all of us here on forum follow the rally on the internet ;)

Not so sure if the speed is so funny reason, many have been following WRC rally live aswell, and its easy to associate it to speed, and powerfull cars.
After GrB was banned the rally looked quite lame for sometime, if had seen those live.

[Mirek]

Maybe You don't understand me. I'm talking about currenty running rally which we (including You) follow via internet. How fast the cars look in Australia is quite free to me now because I follow results watching and hearing no cars in the same time. I can't see any reason why I should consider this rally intersting just because I liked the cars in for example Finland standing behind the tree with a stop watch. These are two different situations for me. Finland in this case was exciting for sure but this experience can't make Australia exciting itself. Do You understand me now?

[A.F.F.]

Am I really the only one who feels that it's exciting to follow the splits and listen to the comments - watching the reviews and onboards?

No you're not. This forum alone makes following rally via internet the second best thing, right after watching it live at the stages :up:

It's just when you have tasted the cherry, it's hard to settle to a potato. Same with this frigging starting order....

[Helstar]

Saying my opinion is trolling? Okay. I guess 18 messages were enough for me - a troll.

Sure it's your own opinion but sorry ... it happens to be completly wrong :\

If 18 are enough the door is over there ^^

Ps. A.F.F. http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[J4MIE]

AFF you just brought a tear to my eye after reading that :up:

[dimviii]

So what are u trying to say? That PWRC leader should risk full PWRC points just to beat some aussie, how many weeks was it again u have followed rally?
who told you that i said the pwrc leader should risk points?
I just said that a 22 year old boy from NZ is faster from pwrc crews. :confused:

[Mirek]

dimvii: The boy will drive PSD car next year ;)

Helstar: Why so harsh?

[MikeD]

Hmmm no WRR? ... am I the only one?

[dyfi1]

Hmmm no WRR? ... am I the only one?

wrr ok for me :)

[bf1_IRL]

The whole WRC is a farce: starting order, tactics, too much SSS, SupeRally, only 2 manufacturers, PWRC and JWRC is not what is was before, stages cancelled due to heavy rain in Ireland, stages cancelled here due to stupid people, Rautenbach slowed down for 13 minutes in Poland, stupid points system, no night stages, only two events outside Europe which for me isn't a World Championship, much more gentlemen-drivers than real good drivers, PWRC drivers only drives on gravel and don't have a tarmac round in their championship...

...Apologies for the interuption,
Wim, I appreciate the fustration, but those stages you mention in Ireland were cancelled due to flooding! I was out in that rain! There was no other option but to cancel them! but thats wayyyy off topic so..

..returning to the Rally Oz topic..

[Helstar]

Sordo losing time after a small off ... Loeb gets a couple of seconds to Hirvonen

[ZequeArgentina]

and Ogier about to catch Latvala (important for manu. championship also)

[Juha_Koo]

Not looking good at all for Mikko... 7,4 km and 2,3 slower than Loeb.

[satukata]

how are road conditions today?
wet or dry?

[bluuford]

how are road conditions today?
wet or dry?

Should be very dry. 13.6 degrees, Wind speed 2 m/s. No rain expected.

[dimviii]

]dimvii: The boy will drive PSD car next year ;)

right by the 1st day results.

[ZequeArgentina]

right by the 1st day results.
He will drigve? or he will be part of the challenge to choose 6 from some 15 or 20?

[Langdale Forest]

Wilson equal with hanning in 6th.

[satukata]

Should be very dry. 13.6 degrees, Wind speed 2 m/s. No rain expected.

hard job for mikko.

Hope J-m can fight back!

[ZequeArgentina]

I can answer myself: PSD candidates for next week selection:

PIRELLI STAR DRIVER 09
Codasur: Juan Marchetto
Austria; Daniel Wollinger
República Checa: Jan Cerny
Letonia: Neiksans Maris
Lituania: Vytautas Svedas
Noruega: Anders Kjaer
Suecia: Víctor Henriksson
Bulgaria: Teodor Slavov
Estonia: Ott Tanaka
NACA (EE.UU-Centro América) B.Guerra – J.Montalto
Países Bajos: Timo van der Marel
Rumania: Valentín Porcisteanu
San Marino: Alex Rasch
Eslovenia: Marko Jeram
Suiza: Brian Lavio
Italia: Andrea Torlasco
Oceanía: Hayden Paddon.


From this list, only 2 will get the PSD seat for next year, is that right?

[Mirek]

He will drigve? or he will be part of the challenge to choose 6 from some 15 or 20?

He WILL drive since he was chosen as a winner from APRC zone today.

[dimviii]

He will drigve? or he will be part of the challenge to choose 6 from some 15 or 20?

Hayden Paddon has been selected during the 2nd day of Repco Rally Australia as the winner of Asia-Pacific Shootout for Pirelli Star Driver 2010 program

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=198&filtr=

[jonkka]

A few years ago the starting order was different and made all the drivers push maximum all the three days of the rally.

A few years back it was 1 day rallying and 2 days cruising. The whoever (99% of the time it was Seb) shot into lead in day 1 was able to control the event by driving to the splits and boy was that boring. Note that I do dislike tactics but current system would work much better if there just would be more top level competitors.

Starting order rule is choice of lesser evil- without sweeper cars there is no ideal solution.

[jonkka]

2. You're right. I like it. Even it's a farce crappy image of the sport I fell in love with, it's about a million times better than let's say, f1.

100% right!

[bluuford]

well first morning breeze has disappeared and wind speed is only 0.7m/s There might be some real dust problems on next stage.

[N.O.T]

Mikko now has to worry about sordo as well.....

[jonkka]

What's wrong with Latvala?

[Langdale Forest]

This could be the closest rally ever!

[MikeD]

Is JML having a problem? +12.3 on split 3

[Helstar]

Hirvonen is doomed :|
Not even a sudden transformation into the best Gronholm can save him now...

He has to pray for rain ^^ a miracle lol

[bluuford]

Arujo is only 7.7 sec away from definite PWRC title. Currently Attyah needs to win in GB to take the title.

[N.O.T]

This could be the closest rally ever!

hard to match NZ a few years back....

[Juha_Koo]

Damn, JML now +23,3 on fourth split... Another puncture possibly..?

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen is doomed :|
Not even a sudden transformation into the best Gronholm can save him now...

He has to pray for rain ^^ a miracle lol

a win is hard for him but the rally still has a long way to go especially now that 3 drivers are pushing to the max.

[N.O.T]

Latvala some kind of mechanical problem losing time consistently...

[satukata]

i hope mikko can fight back when they drive same stages second time!

[MikeD]

Mikko is actually doing a lot better than expected with the sweeping-role ... but Ford's manu chances now looks to be close to over.

[Langdale Forest]

Only 5.6 seconds between loeb and hirvonen so anything can happen...

[WRC1]

Is JML having a problem? +12.3 on split 3

bad times for ford...hirvonen dropping to 3rd and latvala loosing massive time and 4th place...

[Psycho!]

The most difficult part has gone for Hirvo!!Gooo Mikko!!!

[N.O.T]

24 kms more to sweep for mikko.

[alleskids]

Latvalla is loosing a heavy amount of time.. what's wrong with him/his car? If he continues like this, Malcolm has to ask his Mathew and Hnning to slow down to let the BP Ford driver finish before the Stobart Ford boys

[Juha_Koo]

About the Saturday review... Just came to my mind, does anyone know why on earth Marc Marti was laughing quite hard during one stage? Dani wasn't laughing at all, it seemed that Marti really had to fight to keep the laugh away. :)

[satukata]

The most difficult part has gone for Hirvo!!Gooo Mikko!!!

Mikkos speed is very good now! He really fight even he is first on the road!
we will see great battle! Go mikko!....

... I am Mikkos fan. I live only 1km from mikkos home. Rally 1000 lakes city Jyväskylä is my home city... best place to live if you like rally :)

[Juha_Koo]

Latvalla is loosing a heavy amount of time.. what's wrong with him/his car?

Puncture.

[Psycho!]

Again puncture for Latvala...

[bluuford]

24 kms more to sweep for mikko.

Actually only 17.8km last stage of the group was used yesterday.

[MikeD]

The "scary" part is that JML with a puncture is almost as fast as H.Solberg & M.Slowson without punctures. Not a lot of prestige in this years' title :/

[Psycho!]

Mikkos speed is very good now! He really fight even he is first on the road!
we will see great battle! Go mikko!....

... I am Mikkos fan. I live only 1km from mikkos home. Rally 1000 lakes city Jyväskylä i my home city... best place to live if you like rally :)
I am sooooo jealous of you!!!

[Ucci]

I must admit that I expected for Mikko to lost more on 21 kilometers. But JML lost a fight against Ogier. First battle for Citroën is obtained, but the war is not over yet....

[jonkka]

I wonder why Henning has so much trouble keeping up with Matt Wilson?

[N.O.T]

The "scary" part is that JML with a puncture is almost as fast as H.Solberg & M.Slowson without punctures. Not a lot of prestige in this years' title :/

why ? Older Solberg matthew are not title contenders....

[MikeD]

why ? Older Solberg matthew are not title contenders....

No, I just think it tells a lot about the quality of the driver's outside the top 4.

[JAM]

Shouldn't Sordo be the first on the road?

[bennizw]

No. The road positions for today were decided before the super specials yesterday evening.

[Langdale Forest]

How long to the next stage?

[jonkka]

Shouldn't Sordo be the first on the road?

48.4 START ORDER DAYS 2 & 3
48.4.1 The start order for Days 2 & 3 shall be based on the classification at the finish of the final special stage of the previous Day excluding any super special stage.

[Ucci]

The "scary" part is that JML with a puncture is almost as fast as H.Solberg & M.Slowson without punctures. Not a lot of prestige in this years' title :/
Do not exaggerate, still JML drove 20 seconds slower than MW and Henning...

[satukata]

in picture you can see some familiar faces...
today i drove near Tommi makinens rally car factory and there was 4 brand new Subarus in front of the main door... and text was Juha kankkunen driveing school cars number 1,2,3,4!

I hope one day we have wrc/s1600 factory in Jyväskylä.


You can see more fotos http://www.tommimakinen.com

[JAM]

Thanks bennizw and Jonkka. I completely forgotted that!

[Psycho!]

in picture you can see some familiar faces...
today i drove near Tommi makinens rally car factory and there was 4 brand new Subarus in front of the main door... and text was Juha kankkunen driveing school cars number 1,2,3,4!

I hope one day we have wrc/s1600 factory in Jyväskylä.


You can see more fotos www.tommimakinen.com (http://www.tommimakinen.com)
When can I visit you?? :D

[satukata]

When can I visit you?? :D

maybe next years rally finland?

I have heard that same rallyforum members have meeting in rally finland every year..

[Psycho!]

maybe next years rally finland?

I have heard that same rallyforum members have meeting in rally finland every year..
For me Bulgaria is much closer to Greece,so I will choose this rally,if finally it is in the calendar...Finland is a dream which will become true later in my life... ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Is it only 5 minets to the next stage?

[J4MIE]

For me Bulgaria is much closer to Greece,so I will choose this rally,if finally it is in the calendar...Finland is a dream which will become true later in my life... ;)

Psycho I have been to quite a few different events and believe me although I'm sure Bulgaria is a good event Finland is not to be missed, especially next year when nobody is sure about the new cars in the future. I am 100% sure to be there just to make sure I see the proper WRC cars flying once again :bounce:

Make the effort for 2010, you won't regret it at all :up:

[Tomi]

Psycho I have been to quite a few different events and believe me although I'm sure Bulgaria is a good event Finland is not to be missed, especially next year when nobody is sure about the new cars in the future. I am 100% sure to be there just to make sure I see the proper WRC cars flying once again :bounce:

Make the effort for 2010, you won't regret it at all :up:

Good Kankkunen will drive there next year too ;)

[jonkka]

in picture you can see some familiar faces...
today i drove near Tommi makinens rally car factory

You took that pic?

[jonkka]

No 2nd split for Mikko? Let it be just GPS...

[jonkka]

Pheew, it was...

[Juha_Koo]

No 2nd split for Mikko? Let it be just GPS...

GPS, third split ok.

[satukata]

Goo Mikko!! great splits!

[satukata]

You took that pic?

no. its from web page.

[satukata]

Great mikko!!!! 6s faster than sordo is much!!!

[jonkka]

no. its from web page.

Ah... then nothing...

[Psycho!]

We won't sleep tonight........

[ZequeArgentina]

nothing is over, Mikko catching Loeb and passing Sordo. Then repeated stages, no disadvantage from road position (and even possible benefit for no dust???)

[jonkka]

We won't sleep tonight........

True, pause for service is so short

[Juha_Koo]

Loeb 1,3 secs slower than Mikko on SS28! :s mokin: No sleep tonight. This is going to get very, very interesting.

[Tom206wrc]

Wow the time loss by Henning on split1 :s

[noel157]

Sordo have a problem? Lost 0.5 secs per km.

[N.O.T]

thats the mikko the championship needs....

[bluuford]

Well it is showing 17.1 degrees in Kyogle and wind speed 0.4 m/s - next to nothing.

[satukata]

Psycho I have been to quite a few different events and believe me although I'm sure Bulgaria is a good event Finland is not to be missed, especially next year when nobody is sure about the new cars in the future. I am 100% sure to be there just to make sure I see the proper WRC cars flying once again :bounce:

Make the effort for 2010, you won't regret it at all :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwvLm-Ctg2w&feature=related

crazy russian young gun! in this video... one more time ;)

[Langdale Forest]

3 minets to SS29 starting.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

What happend with Henning in this SS?

[CABAIO E'LONA]

now; SS29 Upper Clarence I (6.94km)

[satukata]

Wow the time loss by Henning on split1 :s

slowsons speed is too much for henning.... pressure is too high or henning is too old... maybe younger brother could drive faster with this orange ford :)

[CABAIO E'LONA]

28.3 to Mikko in the split..

[Psycho!]

slowsons speed is too much for henning.... pressure is too high or henning is too old... maybe younger brother could drive faster with this orange ford :)
Not ''maybe'''!!''For sure''!! ;)

[jonkka]

Hopefully Mikko takes care of his tyres - otherwise he could end up losing a lot before getting new ones...

[N.O.T]

mikko losing time again...

[Psycho!]

Mikko loses time...It is completely dry here...

[J4MIE]

Who is this fool they have on the radio???? :(

[jonkka]

Ouch

[N.O.T]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "We don't have a chance, we keep on losing."

[Psycho!]

Hopefully Mikko takes care of his tyres - otherwise he could end up losing a lot before getting new ones...
The stages are too short for the tyres to be worn,ehhh?

[N.O.T]

7.9 the overal lead for Loeb now...nothing is over yet.

[jonkka]

The stages are too short for the tyres to be worn,ehhh?

Short or no, still it's over 50 kilometers before service (all in all)...

[N.O.T]

The stages are too short for the tyres to be worn,ehhh?

think about it please.....if you do 100kms in 2 50km stages or in 5 10km sttages the distance covered is the same.....

[Langdale Forest]

Looks like it is another win for Loeb.

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "This stage was OK. The previous one was difficult and I lost some time, but now no problem."

[Psycho!]

OK!I didn't know when the service would take place...

[satukata]

mikko have good change! only 7,9! and no cleaning the road anymore... Seb sounded little nervos in rally radio.. Mikko will push big pressure to seb in afternoon stages. Gooo Mikko!

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Henning out?

[Mirek]

We were obviously wrong when talking about Prokop and Paddon. Prokop is going to catch him probably :)

[jonkka]

mikko have good change! only 7,9! and no cleaning the road anymore...

I am a bit sceptic because Mikko not only needs to equal Seb's time but also reel in that difference. Yet, I remain hopeful as gap isn't as big as I feared and the second loop will be longer.

[Tom206wrc]

OK I go to bed...when I wake-up I want to see Loeb about to win 2009 rally Australia :p :

[jonkka]

Henning out?

Nope, time 3m20.6s

[jonkka]

OK I go to bed...when I wake-up I want to see Loeb about to win 2009 rally Australia :p :

Sweet dreams... :eek:

[SubaruNorway]

Did we miss the eye in the sky? Becs was watching it...

[satukata]

OK I go to bed...when I wake-up I want to see Loeb about to win 2009 rally Australia :p :

you can only dream it... Mikko will WIN!

[satukata]

one last video before i go bed.

have you seen this? much more crazy looking than in tv?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynkMCUYomc&NR=1

[jonkka]

Crowd is getting thinner...

[dimviii]

think about it please.....if you do 100kms in 2 50km stages or in 5 10km sttages the distance covered is the same.....

Km are the same,but the heat increase is not the same for a rally tyre in a stage of 50 km.Just remember Ag Theodoroi at Acropolis. :)

[Juha_Koo]

Dale Moscatt doing a great job in WRR. Very neutral, non over-enthusiastic and makes good interviews. IMHO.

[bt52b]

Who is this fool they have on the radio???? :(

Simon or Dale? Thought Dale was quite good for radio virgin ;)

[bt52b]

Dale Moscatt doing a great job in WRR. Very neutral, non over-enthusiastic and makes good interviews. IMHO.

Possibly the best WRR stage end reporter????

[J4MIE]

one last video before i go bed.

have you seen this? much more crazy looking than in tv?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynkMCUYomc&NR=1

Crazy... shows it much higher in the air than on tv :crazy:

[bt52b]

Rally OZ Wedding
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5508588715#/photo.php?pid=2888362&id=690286173

[dimviii]

]We were obviously wrong when talking about Prokop and Paddon. Prokop is going to catch him probably :)
Tomi is never wrong :s mokin: as he is watching rallys from the earth genesis,and i from last week.

[satukata]

good night. time to go bed

[Tomi]

Tomi is never wrong :s mokin: as he is watching rallys from the earth genesis,and i from last week.

lets see how many pwrc points he gets more if he does, u dont just get it do you?

[Mirek]

Well, maybe he realised that his teoretical chance for title is very small (and it indeed is very very small) and that being fastest in group N not just PWRC is more valuable now. Who knows...

[tolis]

@satukata:Good night!!!
I will also go to bed, but I will leave my pc open, because it will be difficult to sleep...

[Mirek]

Is Bates out again?

[Juha_Koo]

]Is Bates out again?

Dunno about Bates, but some privateer Gr. N crew out on a fifth gear corner hitting trees. Car damaged quite heavily I suppose, but OK sign displayed. Didn't get the name though.

[dimviii]

lets see how many pwrc points he gets more if he does, u dont just get it do you?

You have to phone him imediately and tell him that. :D
Shake your head oldie,Mason is the problem not Paddon.34 secs in pwrc is not safe margin when you have 6 ss to finish.

[J4MIE]

Tomi quit being so hard on the guy ;)

[jonkka]

Here we go again

[Mirek]

Dunno about Bates, but some privateer Gr. N crew out on a fifth gear corner hitting trees. Car damaged quite heavily I suppose, but OK sign displayed. Didn't get the name though.

Maybe this crew?


06. 09. 01:26 RZ 29 N4 KIPLING B. / WEBB B. (st. č. 67) Havaroval. / Crashed.

[Juha_Koo]

]Maybe this crew?

Yes, now I remember, it was Kipling/Webb.

[jonkka]

Mikko loses time - even if it's a repeated stage (though from yesterday)

[N.O.T]

usually top drivers maintain the same pace in the same stage in morning and afternoon runs, maybe correcting a note or 2, so i think Mikko has to take risks to narrow the gap to Loeb, and Mikko hasn;t showed such an attitude yet.

[bt52b]

Mikko loses time - even if it's a repeated stage (though from yesterday)

Mikko sort of predicted that, when he was talking about the GpN cars etc throwing out gravel. Still sweeping I suppose, but not as much.

[jonkka]

Loeb has no time?

[WRC1]

no time yet for loeb on stage 30..??

there is already a comment, but no time?

[Francis44]

Omg Loeb Dosen't Show In The Stage Times, And Latvala Did Already!!!!

[Mirek]

Loeb did finish. There is just some problem with his time ;)

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "It's good morning. We push, but no problem."

this is the comment but no time.....

[Francis44]

]Loeb did finish. There is just some problem with his time ;)

Oh thank God!!!!

[Psycho!]

I think it is 4:27,5

[xavier]

Rally radio say he finished with fastest time

[bt52b]

Remote service of 15 mins seems mad. Bound to be a few retirements because of it.

[jonkka]

Oh thank God!!!!

:eek:

[N.O.T]

11 seconds now the lead....but 2 big stages remain

[ZequeArgentina]

Sordo is doing really well, new event for everyone and he is right there, even without tactics he has been in th times all rally long, and both Mikko and Loeb have been pushing like hell all rally (except that stage of tactics by Loeb)

[Juha_Koo]

Ynghh, the difference is now on double figures. This just might go to Loeb... But I'm still believing to Mikko. We'll see. The final stage we'll be live on Finnish TV...

[bt52b]

Pity there isn't a croc to swallow Simon whole

[Juha_Koo]

SS31 live. Let's rock. ;)

[jonkka]

Decisive final loop

[jonkka]

Sleep deprivation bothers me not, I am incoherent and I see pink little elephants...

[Psycho!]

Fingers crossed...

[SubaruNorway]

Where are they watching the eye in the sky?!

[J4MIE]

SubaruNorway they are watching it from isc tv truck...not available to the rest of us :(

Looks like Loeb is just edging ahead more and more each stage...

[jonkka]

Splits frozen?

[Juha_Koo]

Where are they watching the eye in the sky?!

Australian TV I guess.

Not good... Mikko very happy with his drive but Loeb flying, over 2 secs faster... That's it. Damn.

[Psycho!]

Splits?

[N.O.T]

splits appear frozen

[SubaruNorway]

SubaruNorway they are watching it from isc tv truck...not available to the rest of us :(

Looks like Loeb is just edging ahead more and more each stage...

Fine, don't bother sharing it with the rest of us, s!

[jonkka]

Tidi-dadii... I wouldn't care to know the results... no sir...

Note: this comment is not related to the one above

[N.O.T]

no splis ....just stage times Loeb extends lead

[bt52b]

Less than 20mins till they start arriving at the end of SS32. Last chance for Mikko?

[J4MIE]

Stage is only a couple of kms, no need for splits :s

[ZequeArgentina]

OK, I can live without splits, but having at least stage times would be better. With just drivers comments at the end of stages without timing does not looks like the best to follow a rally............

[jonkka]

1 Sebastien LOEB 2:23:20.8
2 Mikko HIRVONEN +13.3
3 Dani SORDO +16.5
4 Sebastien OGIER +1:10.7
5 Jari-Matti LATVALA +1:50.7
6 Matthew WILSON +4:06.6
7 Henning SOLBERG +4:35.8
8 Federico VILLAGRA +6:02.5

[jonkka]

From http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/liveseuranta.shtml

[ZequeArgentina]

where are those times from?

EDIT: Thanks!!!

[jonkka]

The deciding stage and no splits... I gotta love wrc.com

[J4MIE]

I think a lot of the time some people forget how difficult it is to have the information passed from a forest in the middle of nowhere on the other side of the world ;) Remember back in the days of having to wait for hours or days for results of events!! How would people cope these days? :D

[jonkka]

All it takes is one satellite phone... and yes, I do remember those days...

[Psycho!]

The deciding stage and no splits... I gotta love wrc.com
And no radio information...Pffffff!!

[Psycho!]

Sordo threatens Mikko seriously!!!

[xavier]

Sordo 3s ahead of Mikko at Mid stage in SS32

[Juha_Koo]

Sordo 3,4 secs faster than Hirvonen on some split on SS32. Sordo really has found a new level on gravel.

[xavier]

Dani 4.7 off Mikko at stage end

[jonkka]

4,7sec faster? Then he's 1.5s ahead

[xavier]

yes and Loeb took only 0.3 from Mikko on ss32

[jonkka]

Loeb has no need to do more

[Juha_Koo]

I somehow feel that Mikko has gone to his normal safety mode and is thinking about the championship. I just hope that the flying Spaniard will stay third...

[bt52b]

After SS32

1 1 Sebastien LOEB 2:33:12.1 0.0
2 2 Dani SORDO 2:33:24.2 +12.1
3 3 Mikko HIRVONEN 2:33:25.7 +13.6
4 12 Sebastien OGIER 2:34:27.2 +1:15.1
5 4 Jari-Matti LATVALA 2:35:06.6 +1:54.5
6 5 Matthew WILSON 2:37:49.6 +4:37.5

[xavier]

On SS4 which is the same that last stage Mikko had took 6.9 from Dani and 8.0 from Seb...

so it's from for over.. though Seb should be able to hold on 1st if no problem arise

[Juha_Koo]

Great, now WRR has lost a link to the service park... Well, good time to play funky music. :D Sleep deprivation combined to this music has really interesting effects...

[jonkka]

I am too tired to be anything but apathetic...

[FabiaFan]

If Prokop wins and Araujo stays 5th, so even 4 drivers could become champions after GB - right???

[FAlonso]

I believe that with Armindo on 41 pts only he and Nasser (31pts) can win. And Nasser has to win GB and would be champion for having won more rallies. There´s still an appeal to be heard (from the results in Greece) but I seriously doubt it will favour Nasser.

[J4MIE]

Is Armindo not doing Rally GB? Or is that his dropped round?

[ZequeArgentina]

good time for mikko, 7 seconds faster than in the morning, and only 10,8 km!!! Lets wait Sordo, but i guess Hirvonen will get 2nd back

[FAlonso]

Dropped round. But he will be there with the Evo X. He won´t be able to take PWRC points though.

[FabiaFan]

I believe that with Armindo on 41 pts only he and Nasser (31pts) can win. And Nasser has to win GB and would be champion for having won more rallies. There´s still an appeal to be heard (from the results in Greece) but I seriously doubt it will favour Nasser.
How many rounds (best results) count then??? I believed six.

[J4MIE]

How many rounds (best results) count then??? I believed six.

They have to nominate which round won't count before the start of the season.

[jonkka]

How many rounds (best results) count then??? I believed six.

Yes, it's six but those must be nominated at the time of registration to championship (so it's not six best).

[J4MIE]

Thanks FAlonso.

[FAlonso]

Thanks FAlonso.

No problem. Always welcome! :)

[jonkka]

What on earth is Henning doing?

[J4MIE]

What on earth is Henning doing?

I think radio said he is having brake problems? No proper service so I guess no chance to repair :(

[bluuford]

Yes, it's six but those must be nominated at the time of registration to championship (so it's not six best).

Yes he can nominate, but he can take part in more events and rules are saying that he can take others points away. For example, he can take part in GB and win GB and if Nasser is second, then nasser gets only 8 points.

[COVENANT]

Where is the results?

[FAlonso]

Yes he can nominate, but he can take part in more events and rules are saying that he can take others points away. For example, he can take part in GB and win GB and if Nasser is second, then nasser gets only 8 points.

This I didn´t know. So he can "interfere", sort of speak, with the PWRC results? That being the case, going to GB makes even more sense. I thought it would only serve for Armindo to make a competitive debut and test with the EVO X.

[J4MIE]

Yes he can nominate, but he can take part in more events and rules are saying that he can take others points away. For example, he can take part in GB and win GB and if Nasser is second, then nasser gets only 8 points.

Surely he can't do this as GB won't count as a scoring round for him :s So Nasser in that case would still score maximum points.

[FAlonso]

Surely he can't do this as GB won't count as a scoring round for him :s So Nasser in that case would still score maximum points.

Also what I thought.

[bluuford]

Surely he can't do this as GB won't count as a scoring round for him :s So Nasser in that case would still score maximum points.

No, he cannot score but he can take away others points. Like I said. If he wins he gets 0 points but the driver behind him gets only 8 points.

[xavier]

Results are back on wrc.com

[FabiaFan]

Surely he can't do this as GB won't count as a scoring round for him :s So Nasser in that case would still score maximum points....anyway he couldn't harm Nasser when driving Evo X ! :-D

[Juha_Koo]

No splits from Mikko, not even to other competitors. I wonder if Jarmo has loosen the antenna for a last stage surprise. :p

Realistically speaking, Loeb will win. I would have thought that Mikko would have fought a bit harder on Sunday to win...

[FAlonso]

...anyway he couldn't harm Nasser when driving Evo X ! :-D

Not sure, not sure...one never knows.

[jonkka]

No, he cannot score but he can take away others points. Like I said. If he wins he gets 0 points but the driver behind him gets only 8 points.

Rules are a bit ambiguous at this point, speaking of only "registered" drivers but failing to say whether it means "registered to championship" or "registered to championship and having nominated that particular round".

[CABAIO E'LONA]

please, any link to watch live the final stage?

[FabiaFan]

Rules are a bit ambiguous at this point, speaking of only "registered" drivers but failing to say whether it means "registered to championship" or "registered to championship and having nominated that particular round"....really interesting point...would be ridiculous to have this situation in GB (1.AA 2.NAA)...

[jonkka]

final thrill

[J4MIE]

No, he cannot score but he can take away others points. Like I said. If he wins he gets 0 points but the driver behind him gets only 8 points.

As I said I doubt that this is the case ;)


8.2.5 For the awarding of points, a separate classification of the registered drivers will be drawn from the general classification.

I would assume that for this purpouse that Armindo wouldn't count as being registered. However as you point out quite correctly this is not what the rule states so I guess he could argue the case :)

[Xsara Fan]

What happened with WRR? Why they talking about 'SS28 splits'???

[jonkka]

However as you point out quite correctly this is not what the rule states so I guess he could argue the case :)

It should be easy enough to find an event where J/PWRC contender has entered a non-nominated round and finished ahead of a nominating contender to see if he's really blocked points. For example Prokop, who is registered to both championships and has started plenty of times this year might be a good example.

[Juha_Koo]

Wow, what on earth! Live onboard combined to live exterior shots @ Finnish MTV3 MAX.

Al-Qassimi hit a bank and got a puncture! Struggling a bit to get to the finish control.

[xavier]

good. Mikko has splits

[The D Man]

is there anywere that u can watch live?

[bluuford]

why is Loeb after Hirvonen on road? classification according to the classification after stage 34? logical:-)

[Helstar]

Strange splits... did they change the starting order ?

[J4MIE]

Reverse order for this SS as it is live on tv.

[Helstar]

It was known before then ? The drivers knew too ?

Anyway, seems that Loeb wins but Hirvonen keeps second position from Sordo.

[jonkka]

True on reverse order but the point is that Mikko should run the stage last, not Loeb.

[Helstar]

Right, very strange. Mikko did it with a bare 4.6 seconds on Sordo. Good but not enough to win the championship :\

He will have to show in Spain that he can still win it, beating at least Sordo (impossible mission.... unless an error from Dani).

[xavier]

Aprrently they use classification after SS34

[bluuford]

Aprrently they use classification after SS34

No, Henning was behind Villagra after SS34

[xavier]

LOL, then they put the name in a hat and draw....

[J4MIE]

Bravo Sebastien, job done :up:

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Mikko second.. habemus championship...

[J4MIE]

Ok I am off to bed now then ;) Goodnight folks.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "It was good weekend. It's been long time since won the last time. This championship is really intensive."
HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "It was really tough, there wasn't meny rallies when we ran flatout from start to finish."
SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. "I was pushing hard, but I don't know, if it is enough. It was difficult weekend, I'm happy to be in finish."
OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. "It was very good weekend for us. We did mistake yesterday, but we were able to fight with the best drivers."
LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "We lost the rally with the two punctures. We were leading and had the speed, but it's like that."
WILSON M. / MARTIN S. / "It's shame Henning had the problems, then we had nothing to push for. It could have been nice battle. But we ejoyed the rally"
SOLBERG H. / MENKERUD K. "It was unlucky rally. We had some problems, but I'm happy with the place, we are in finish."
VILLAGRA F. / PEREZ COMPANC J. / "It's been great rally, very difficult. I'm happy to be here."

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=207&filtr=

[Juha_Koo]

One of the best rallies this year. Great battles, some tactics, hi-speed situations and an interesting template. It was a real pleasure to follow. :)

I would have wanted Mikko to win but Seb was just so strong on Sunday. Speedwise, positive surprises from Sordo and Ogier. Biggest disappointment being Latvala. Two punctures and game was all over.

Now I feel the need for some immediate sleep. :D

[FAlonso]

Armindo 4º!!! YESSSSSSSSS! Still have to wait for the appeal but we can be looking at the 2009 PWRC Champion!! Very emotional moment for him and for me and all the portuguese fans that have followed his career since 2000! I´m very happy but cautious also! Very deserved for all he has done throughout his career and also after a very difficult rally for him where all went wrong with his car!!!

[quimrally]

Armindo Araujo / Miguel Ramalho

Pwrc Champions 2009
Congratulations

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Araujo Champion!

[CABAIO E'LONA]

no doubt he deserves it, a great driver!

[alexlake]

One of the best rallies this year. Great battles, some tactics, hi-speed situations and an interesting template. It was a real pleasure to follow. :)

I would have wanted Mikko to win but Seb was just so strong on Sunday. Speedwise, positive surprises from Sordo and Ogier. Biggest disappointment being Latvala. Two punctures and game was all over.

Now I feel the need for some immediate sleep. :D

Good posting, for once the tactics made it all exciting. And Sordo is becoming a very decent driver, his battle with mikko today was great!

Very good rally :D :D

[jimakos]

When I said that I bet all my money to Loeb I knew something more!!
It's a pity for Hirvonen now he must make the difference in tarmac,really difficult...
Congrats to Ogier for his great performance :up:

[Tom206wrc]

Great :bounce: :bounce:

[bda]

Just returned from a fantastic day spectating.

My wife even managed to foil the d!#khead protesters go slow plan on the last liason back to the finish
We were behind an old bus and another car traveling at 10kph just as Qassimi came up behind us. The bus and the car spread across the road to stop him getting past, but, Ruthie got in their way. Qassimi shot past, almost clipped us - we all have to make sacrifices.

The police roared up from behind us and forced the bus off the road and relieved the unwashed driver of his keys. Ruthie then drove into the path of the other hippie car, blocking him in on the edge of the road. The traffic built up behind, thus trapping him there long enough for the police to enquire about his right to breathe oxygen.

GREAT DAY.

Well done to my wonderful wife, and happy 42nd birthday.

[A.F.F.]

Congrats Sebastien and Daniel.

Just look at my pickems. From the moment I heard Mikko AGAIN saying those magic words before the rally; " It's not a disaster to come second", I knew he wouldn't even fight for it. IMO this rally would have been very important to risk because on tarmac Mikko won't have a chance and when it's a time of Rally GB, it'll be too big of a gap to reach Sebastien. It's better to burn out, than fade away. Sadly, Mikko seem to be much smarter than I am :mark:

[bda]

And by the way. Don't worry about whether the locals want this event. I have spoken to perhaps 40 locals. All of them are over the moon. They can't wait for the next one.

The D#!head element make up about 0.01% of the local population. In fact the ones that have caused all the trouble are not even locals. Just rent a crowd from somewhere else. The people who we spoke to said that next week they will be disrupting something else they have no knowledge of.

Best signs of the weekend:

"Koalas love antilag"

"More rallies - less greenies"

[Daniel]

Just returned from a fantastic day spectating.

My wife even managed to foil the d!#khead protesters go slow plan on the last liason back to the finish
We were behind an old bus and another car traveling at 10kph just as Qassimi came up behind us. The bus and the car spread across the road to stop him getting past, but, Ruthie got in their way. Qassimi shot past, almost clipped us - we all have to make sacrifices.

The police roared up from behind us and forced the bus off the road and relieved the unwashed driver of his keys. Ruthie then drove into the path of the other hippie car, blocking him in on the edge of the road. The traffic built up behind, thus trapping him there long enough for the police to enquire about his right to breathe oxygen.

GREAT DAY.

Well done to my wonderful wife, and happy 42nd birthday.
:up: to your wife :)