Solberg's 'No Thanks' to Australia rally [Archive]

Psycho!

6th August 2009, 07:57

A.F.F.

6th August 2009, 09:33

Don't take too big assumptions Psycho!. That somebody might have been his wife :p :

SubaruNorway

6th August 2009, 10:03

In Norwegian media it sounded like he could have got payed by Rally Australia to drive

Psycho!

6th August 2009, 10:08

Don't take too big assumptions Psycho!. That somebody might have been his wife :p :
Maybe AUTOSPORT is his wife not me...:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77571

lcd

6th August 2009, 10:11

I think I can see an obvious disappointment hidding behind his statements
about his progress In the championship so far...
Nevertheless, he shouldn't feel that way, because he did pretty well this season;
just didn't have luck on his side - as always..!

jimakos

6th August 2009, 10:37

''...Somebody wanted me to drive...'':Wilson or Quensel??And another question.If Petter takes a C4 or a Focus for the last two rounds he will drive alone or be a ''team player''??He could affect a lot the title chase....!!

If Petter takes a C4 or a Focus probably for me he'll be in pondium in rally Australia!
And of course he can change a lot of things in first positions!
About team player I think is a driver who cares only about himself.
That's not completely bad...

N.O.T

6th August 2009, 12:07

same old blah blah blah from peter and the naive followers believe him as always.....

Buzz Lightyear

6th August 2009, 12:43

It would appear to me he is a little fagged off with Citroen, now he is threatening to try and get a Ford, cause he know he could mess things up a little for Citroen on Rally GB. He might get some assistance from Ford, maybe not.

serial jeff

6th August 2009, 14:50

I doubt he'll get a C4 or Focus this season, but maybe one of the manufacturer teams will offer him a car because Mikko and Seb are so close. If Petter was driving for Citroen and managed to squeeze behind Seb and in front of Mikko (or vice versa for Ford), that extra 2 points would go a long way.

Of course, it's possible that Ollie and Malc are concerned that he might ignore orders to slow down :p :

bennizw

6th August 2009, 14:52

It' strange Ford hasn't offered him a car before. As long as he runs it privately he can't steal manufacters points, but could boost Mikko's chances for the drivers crown.

serial jeff

6th August 2009, 14:58

Indeed. Perhaps Malcolm is still bitter about how Petter ditched him for Subaru, lol.

JFL

6th August 2009, 15:00

:eek: Money talks... I guess is more important to keep Al Qassimi in a top spec car to help the top drivers..

N.O.T I know you don't like PS threads, and PS. Too bad there are too many of them and people all around the world wish him the best.. I hope you have medical insurance, cause this must really mess up your head.. :D

Tomi

6th August 2009, 17:12

same old blah blah blah from peter and the naive followers believe him as always.....

True, still if some moderator would collect theese meaningless stuff under 1 topic. :)

Fide

6th August 2009, 17:58

I think people remains talking about him is because
a) He is the most charismatic driver WRC has right now
b) He is still really fast
c) The championship is really boring and he is the ones can put some condiment

Xsara Fan

6th August 2009, 19:09

There are only 3 rallys left in 2009 WRC. That`s why manu team`s need third (or 5-7) drivers only for one reason - to help Mikko or Seb win. Petter always said: "I need a car which helps me to win". But Petter`s win is a great moment only for him, his team and his fans. Not for manu team`s. That`s why I don`t think that Malcolm or Olivier will hire Petter...

Sulland

6th August 2009, 19:49

same old blah blah blah from peter and the naive followers believe him as always.....

Did you not get your 3 ouzo's this morning N.O.T ? :beer:
It usually helps... ;)

driveace

6th August 2009, 21:06

I honestly think Petter has done a good job this year ,on a very limited budget,and with a very dated car.OK it may have had the latest mods on but,it was still an old car,that allowed the struts to came up through the mountings

WRCfan

7th August 2009, 02:49

Rather than Petter sitting around whinging he went out and did something. Built his own team, got everything sorted and made another shot at it.

You have to take your hat off to him for being so proactive and positive when he was in a pretty horrible situation!

lcd

7th August 2009, 05:52

You have to take your hat off to him for being so proactive and positive when he was in a pretty horrible situation!

Agreed there!

JFL

7th August 2009, 14:04

[quote="WRCfan"]
Agreed!
Quote PS : "This is my life!" and " Never give up"

N.O.T

7th August 2009, 14:22

evetually the sport will give up on him as it did with many of its champions.... and all that will remain is his constant whinning....

the solution is simple for Peter pay more to get more....

lcd

7th August 2009, 16:02

...evetually the sport will give up on him as it did with many of its champions....

I can't deny there Is some truth In that statement...

jimakos

7th August 2009, 17:59

He is just the most spectacular driver I've seen so far!!!

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a00a846e81.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Don't you agree?

N.O.T

7th August 2009, 20:02

yes we all agree

Fide

8th August 2009, 15:45

He is just the most spectacular driver I've seen so far!!!

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a00a846e81.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Don't you agree?

Unfortunately for wrc fans he prioritized the bank account instead a competitive car (I am talking lets say from 2005 till 08). Then, there were 4 years were Sebastian did what he liked, just with some pretty interventions from Marcus. Aside of that I think the story would have been a different one with similar cars (Petter and Sebastian). It is a real shame, but I think he still has that mix of "magic" and talent to beat Sebastian and whomever you put in front of him. Lets see in the future if he can have a better car.

serial jeff

9th August 2009, 21:28

Unfortunately for wrc fans he prioritized the bank account instead a competitive car (I am talking lets say from 2005 till 08).

Maybe, but I'm not sure it's fair to say that he stuck with Subaru for the money. After all, they provided him with a good car from 2001 to 2004, so it wouldn't really be fair to Subaru for him to jump ship after 2005 just because the car had a bad season. Then in 2007 there was the hope of a new car for 2008 and they were probably thinking that would be an improvement.

Gard

10th August 2009, 08:34

Unfortunately for wrc fans he prioritized the bank account instead a competitive car (I am talking lets say from 2005 till 08). Then, there were 4 years were Sebastian did what he liked, just with some pretty interventions from Marcus. Aside of that I think the story would have been a different one with similar cars (Petter and Sebastian). It is a real shame, but I think he still has that mix of "magic" and talent to beat Sebastian and whomever you put in front of him. Lets see in the future if he can have a better car.

That's BS and you know it. Petter offered to pay for development from his money, but that wasn't considered good behavior since it indicated that subaru didn't put enought into it. Subaru chief would take that as an personal insult, so Petter/Prodrive dropped the idea

Fide

10th August 2009, 13:53

That's BS and you know it. Petter offered to pay for development from his money, but that wasn't considered good behavior since it indicated that subaru didn't put enought into it. Subaru chief would take that as an personal insult, so Petter/Prodrive dropped the idea

Didn't know about that situation; could you expand ? Since I would like to see Solberg winning rallies I regret he is comlicated to better perform since 2005 wherever the reason is.

N.O.T

10th August 2009, 14:22

That's BS and you know it. Petter offered to pay for development from his money, but that wasn't considered good behavior since it indicated that subaru didn't put enought into it. Subaru chief would take that as an personal insult, so Petter/Prodrive dropped the idea

Really ???

then why didn't he pay to get a top spec car this year ?? Maybe the development of a works car is a cheap bussiness

I really don;t know what more pathetic the sources that say such stuff or the people that believe them....

Halvis

10th August 2009, 14:40

Indeed. Perhaps Malcolm is still bitter about how Petter ditched him for Subaru, lol.

This is said in every similar thread in here, I must say I'm getting tired of reading it.

The fact is, Petter asked MW for a contract time after time, but never got it. He was driving rally after rally without a contract, and when Subaru presented the paper with money on it, he took it of course.

The whole thing was MW fault, if he had believed in Petter and offered him a contract the history would have looked different.

Gard

10th August 2009, 18:13

Really ???

then why didn't he pay to get a top spec car this year ?? Maybe the development of a works car is a cheap bussiness

I really don;t know what more pathetic the sources that say such stuff or the people that believe them....

Because you can't get a TOP spec car for money. At least not without paying rediculous amounts for it. Petters and his sponsors money wouldn't even be close to enough. If 180 000€ pr. rally gives you junior spec car. You'll probably need another 0 to get a TOP spec car.

It all comes down to how Petter fits their manu campaign

Reg. the source is Petter and the fact that Subaru chief said so in public

Tomi

11th August 2009, 06:08

The whole thing was MW fault, if he had believed in Petter and offered him a contract the history would have looked different.

Lol, are u real, blaming Wilson? Markko was propably a better choise, more use for the team in other things than driving too.

jimakos

11th August 2009, 08:56

Lol, are u real, blaming Wilson? Markko was propably a better choise, more use for the team in other things than driving too.

I absolutely agree with Tomi!
Nobody can blame MW for his choice!!
Markko was the ideal solution that time.

Halvis

11th August 2009, 09:11

Lol, are u real, blaming Wilson? Markko was propably a better choise, more use for the team in other things than driving too.

No need for that tone, mate, I just responded to the common opinion that Petter "ditched" Ford, when it was the other way round, MW never gave him a contract - which of course was his privilege, but it doesn't give him any reason to be sore on Petter for signing for Subaru when he was offered a contract there.

Tomi

11th August 2009, 09:25

No need for that tone, mate, I just responded to the common opinion that Petter "ditched" Ford, when it was the other way round, MW never gave him a contract - which of course was his privilege, but it doesn't give him any reason to be sore on Petter for signing for Subaru when he was offered a contract there.

U blamed Wilson, not so fair i think, he has done so much for the sport, and did have propably the best knowledge of both Markko's and Petter's capabilities at that time, so the choise was propably not even difficult to make.

pino

11th August 2009, 09:57

lcd

11th August 2009, 10:07

Tomi you shouldn't post on Petter threads, as you hate him more than you hate Bush :( :p :

Ha ha, never expected to hate someone more than Bush! :D

pino

11th August 2009, 10:10

Ha ha, never expect to hate someone more than Bush! :D

That's because you don't know much about the Finns in here ;) :p :

Camelopard

11th August 2009, 10:41

This is said in every similar thread in here, I must say I'm getting tired of reading it.

The fact is, Petter asked MW for a contract time after time, but never got it. He was driving rally after rally without a contract, and when Subaru presented the paper with money on it, he took it of course.

The whole thing was MW fault, if he had believed in Petter and offered him a contract the history would have looked different.

Where is your proof for this 'fact'?

Because that isn't the way MW sees it, it was his impression that he did have a binding contract with Petter and was very p*ssed off when Petter went to Subaru because they offered him more money.

Like most things it is MW's word against Petters and I'm sure you will back Petter, just like I think Atko has been done hard by! :)

Halvis

11th August 2009, 10:58

Where is your proof for this 'fact'?

Because that isn't the way MW sees it, it was his impression that he did have a binding contract with Petter and was very p*ssed off when Petter went to Subaru because they offered him more money.

Like most things it is MW's word against Petters and I'm sure you will back Petter, just like I think Atko has been done hard by! :)

Very easy to prove - Petter changed team overnight. This would of course never been possible if Ford had a contract with Petter.

MJW

11th August 2009, 11:01

U blamed Wilson, not so fair i think, he has done so much for the sport, and did have propably the best knowledge of both Markko's and Petter's capabilities at that time, so the choise was propably not even difficult to make.
Maybe the passage of time has clouded memories. Markko was not in the frame at Ford in 2000. Markko had actually been signed by SWRT just before Finland 2000, and David Lapworth when he found out that Petter was not contracted to Ford initially thought that he wouldnt be allowed to sign another young driver, (having just days before finding out about Petter's situation just signed Markko for 2001). In the end SWRT signed both young drivers, but Petter prevailed at SWRT whilst Markko didnt. MM did not go to Ford until after the Carlos and Colin days. It took until Petter's world championship win for Malcolm and him to speak again, which considering both were present at each wrc round in the intervening years was quite difficult. Malcolm is a true competitor in all things and he did not like losing Petter.......
Who knows maybe the marketing men will have a great story to write about the return of Petter to Ford, the team that found him in 1998 and he drove for until 2000..................

Halvis

11th August 2009, 11:05

U blamed Wilson, not so fair i think, he has done so much for the sport, and did have propably the best knowledge of both Markko's and Petter's capabilities at that time, so the choise was propably not even difficult to make.

You still miss my point, I only try to say that it was the missing contract that made the switch possible - and this missing contract was MW "fault".

As I said earlier, MW was of course in his full right, but I don't think he has any reason to be sore on Petter for the switch later on!

MJW

11th August 2009, 11:06

And another thing - Petter was offerd a Citroen contract, which he declined in 2004, - maybe he regretted that, and whilst we are at it, Loeb and Petter are the only 2 drivers still competing to have won championships, Markko was fast but in my opinion he was the one prone to errors or a bit inconsistent on speed and never won a championship. That doesnt make him a bad driver - Seb, Marcus, Petter and Markko are all fantastic drivers. Can we please let personal predjucies away from talent.

cali

11th August 2009, 11:31

Camelopard

11th August 2009, 11:44

Very easy to prove - Petter changed team overnight. This would of course never been possible if Ford had a contract with Petter.

I said MW thought he had a binding contract with petter. I didn't say Petter did have a contact.

I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a mistake by the contract people at Ford or M-Sport and not MW's fault. It was a c#ckup by Ford, not MW, unless you have conclusive proof of your view that there wasn't a misunderstanding and MW didn't want petter in the team then I'm going to believe MW over Petter.

Anyway it's all history and it has been proven that Petter is past it, Atko was way faster in a diabolical sh*t of a car, Petter can only win when everything is in his favour! :)

I thought Kiwis were parochial!

Halvis

11th August 2009, 14:04

I said MW thought he had a binding contract with petter. I didn't say Petter did have a contact.

I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a mistake by the contract people at Ford or M-Sport and not MW's fault. It was a c#ckup by Ford, not MW, unless you have conclusive proof of your view that there wasn't a misunderstanding and MW didn't want petter in the team then I'm going to believe MW over Petter.

Anyway it's all history and it has been proven that Petter is past it, Atko was way faster in a diabolical sh*t of a car, Petter can only win when everything is in his favour! :)

I thought Kiwis were parochial!

Only the people deeply involved knows the exact details of what went on of course, but I find it very unlikely that MW thought he had a contract. Petter wrote in his book (when everything still went well in Subaru) that he many times asked MW for a contract, but didn't get it.

But you're right in one thing, one just has to choose who to believe. Still, it as a fact that he didn't have a contract.

I also agree that it doesn't matter much anymore, but I'm definately not agreeing that Petter is past it. I think his performances in the ancient Xsara this year pretty much proves quite the opposite!

MJW

12th August 2009, 08:45

Who knows maybe the marketing men will have a great story to write about the return of Petter to Ford, the team that found him in 1998 and he drove for until 2000..................
See front cover and full page 3 article in Motorsport News published in UK today?

Finni

12th August 2009, 10:24

I also agree that it doesn't matter much anymore, but I'm definately not agreeing that Petter is past it. I think his performances in the ancient Xsara this year pretty much proves quite the opposite!

Granted that how Andersson and Mikkselsen drove ancient Skoda I find Petter's performance rather puzzling. I could imagine that in the hands of Loeb Xsara would be ahead of Fords in many rallies. There must be considerable power donwgrade in Xsara's engine if Petter's performance is considered great (and that might be the case judging by rumours and inconsistent pace; like fast in Finladn and hopelessly slow in Poland).

Camelopard

12th August 2009, 12:08

See front cover and full page 3 article in Motorsport News published in UK today?

Don't have access to it. can you point me to an online version?

MJW

12th August 2009, 13:01

Don't have access to it. can you point me to an online version?
Sorry no on-line version, it just says that "Ford secret weapon to deny Loeb" his title is Petter in an MSport Focus for Rally GB.

Psycho!

12th August 2009, 13:05

We are heading (hopefully) to a thrilling season finale....!

Fide

12th August 2009, 13:38

Sorry no on-line version, it just says that "Ford secret weapon to deny Loeb" his title is Petter in an MSport Focus for Rally GB.

If this is the case, don't understand why to wait to GB and lose the opportunity to do this move before (i.e. Australia) to improve the chances to stretch the gap between Ford and Citroen.

MJW

12th August 2009, 13:43

Too late now for Oz - Citroen had their chance(s) - GB is a strong event for PS, who knows maybe Spain could be added too, - lets all just wait and see. Ford are serious about the championship, they will do a 6 day test on asphalt before Spain, also JML to get 'tarmac driving tuition'

Psycho!

12th August 2009, 19:50

Are you serious??Six days are a lot!!I hope Markko helps again...!!

jimakos

12th August 2009, 20:20

Are you serious??Six days are a lot!!I hope Markko helps again...!!

Agreed!
6 days practice :confused:

WRCS14

12th August 2009, 21:55

N.O.T

12th August 2009, 23:10

JFL

12th August 2009, 23:41

Im still worried that Mikko wont have the outright pace for Loeb in the next couple of rallies, but at the same time I will be very surprised to see Solberg with Ford again. Why is it that Petters Xsara suffered with much over heating in the first half of the year, I dont recall the factory Xsaras having such an issue when they competed?

When the Xsara was a factory car, every car was allowed to have watercooling on the intercooler, so they did'nt need a large intercooler. The watercooling was later banned by FIA, and all the cars got bigger intercoolers and larger air intakes. Petter did'nt get these specs in the beginning... But he has them now.. :) Only thing missing now I guess is the latest ECU.., and factory backup..

interessting and badly translated story made some months ago
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=no&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsnakk.klikk.no%2Fblogs%2Fpetterblog g%2Farchive%2F2009%2F05%2F12%2Fmed-og-mot-citro-235-n.aspx&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

SubaruNorway

13th August 2009, 16:16

When the Xsara was a factory car, every car was allowed to have watercooling on the intercooler, so they did'nt need a large intercooler. The watercooling was later banned by FIA, and all the cars got bigger intercoolers and larger air intakes. Petter did'nt get these specs in the beginning... But he has them now.. :) Only thing missing now I guess is the latest ECU.., and factory backup..

interessting and badly translated story made some months ago
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=no&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsnakk.klikk.no%2Fblogs%2Fpetterblog g%2Farchive%2F2009%2F05%2F12%2Fmed-og-mot-citro-235-n.aspx&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

I haven't heard about water cooling on the intercooler before but water injection in the manifold...? That's what the impreza had anyway.

JFL

13th August 2009, 16:21

Don't u have waterspray on your Sub? Buy an RA :) .. I don't know what they had.. But they had watercooling of some sort..

OldF

13th August 2009, 16:53

When the Xsara was a factory car, every car was allowed to have watercooling on the intercooler, so they did'nt need a large intercooler. The watercooling was later banned by FIA, and all the cars got bigger intercoolers and larger air intakes. Petter did'nt get these specs in the beginning... But he has them now.. :) Only thing missing now I guess is the latest ECU.., and factory backup..

interessting and badly translated story made some months ago
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=no&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsnakk.klikk.no%2Fblogs%2Fpetterblog g%2Farchive%2F2009%2F05%2F12%2Fmed-og-mot-citro-235-n.aspx&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

Water-cooled intercoolers are not banned but they’re half of the size of an air-to-air intercooler. Water spraying in the intake is not allowed.

SubaruNorway

13th August 2009, 16:59

Don't u have waterspray on your Sub? Buy an RA :) .. I don't know what they had.. But they had watercooling of some sort..

Well i don't have a intercooler you know! I'm pretty sure it was the same system as Subaru, Grøndal has it on his car. They sprayed water into the engine to cool and extract more oxygen.

WRCS14

13th August 2009, 20:39

I have competed in several prodrive built group N cars and these all had intercooler water spray, they could consume several litres per stage with the engine response system turned on. Hope Petters overheating issues are sorted out regardless, hadnt heard of private Xsaras suffering this issue before and I was worried it was just his one. Hope its overcast in Spain :cool: