RBR Motorsport Cup: Rally JAPAN

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RBR Motorsport Forums Cup 2009



Round 2: Rally JAPAN



26,27,28 June 2009




Rally I.D.



Rally JAPAN is a fast but tough event. Special stages, head into the woods



and made up of deceptively narrow loose gravel roads that are closely



lined by trees and foliage. Due to rain forcast, the Japanese leg of



RBR Motorsport Forums Cup, Is expected to be a battle for survival.



This is one of those tricky rallies, In which the rules are set by nature!




Weather Forcast:



Fri 26 June : Rain



Sat 27 June : Clear



Sun 28 June : Drizzle



Media



Rally JAPAN teaser:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmFP-qSbcsQ

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Entries List



Send your entry, to LCD via



private message, as following:





Nationality : Greek



Driver : LCD



Team : GR Motorsports



Car : Citroen Xsara ‘06




Entries Closing Date



Wednesday 24 June, midnight
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------------- RALLY JAPAN RULES -------------

Format : Single Stage
Class : WRC
Gears : Auto or Manual
Car Damage : Reduced
Tires : Due to weather conditions

GENERAL RULES.....................................

1.Follow Schedule Order
2.No stages repeated allowed
3.Point system: 20,17,15,12,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

EVENT RULES.......................................

OPTIONS -> GEARS:
Neutral Lock:On
Gear Protection:On
Clutch Help:On

OPTIONS -> PACENOTES:
Pacenotes:Off

.................. SCHEDULE ......................

Shakedown : Tanner II - weather: rain

DAY1

ss1: Sipirkakim - weather: rain
ss2: Noiker II - weather: rain
ss3: Tanner II - weather: rain

DAY 2

ss4: Tanner I - weather: clear
ss5: Noiker I - weather: clear
ss6: Pirka Menoko - weather: clear

DAY 3

Rally Sprint Championship 2009

(From the main menu -> Richard Burns Challenge)
Challenge : Pirka Menoko - weather: Default

...................TIME SUBMISSION.....................

Please send me your times, via private message,
In column format:

2:25.13
3:43.94
4:21.02
3:32.28
3:54.07
4:42.91
3:00.69

TIMES DUE TUESDAY 30 JUNE, MIDNIGHT


Good luck to everyone !

P.S. Richard Burns says: No cheating please!!!

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You may start posting your shakedown times :

Here's mine:
1st pass: 3:13.34
2nd pass: 3:10.76
3rd pass: 3:09.10

ENTRIES NOTE:
Please note, that even those entried 1st round
should send In their entry for Rally Japan, as entries
list are updated round after round!
3 entries so far!

[lcd]

Ok! Now there's a good flow...5 entries for Rally Japan so far!

[NeverKnow]

Well, I've finished shakedown for this event. The times are as followed:
3:19,84
3:15,03
3:15,73
3:14,23
3:11,46
Overall I am pleased with the times because I personally don't like twisty stages and the weather is very tricky as it can be very slippery at times. I tried few setup changes and I think I can use some of them during the rally.

[steve_spackman]

I shall enter this rally, just as a test run so i can see how my times are against my fellow drivers. I shall be running a Hyundia Accent, run by Marmite Racing UK

[lcd]

Welcome mate! :up:

[lcd]

I shall enter this rally, just as a test run so i can see how my times are against my fellow drivers. I shall be running a Hyundia Accent, run by Marmite Racing UK

Welcome mate! :up:

[steve_spackman]

Sorry for the late announcement, but during testing i was offered the chance to test out a Impreza. My backers have insisted that i use the Impreza during my championship campaign

[lcd]

I shall enter this rally, just as a test run so i can see how my times are against my fellow drivers.

You can run some USA stages and compare your times with 1st round's
Stage times In http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133275&page=3 thread!

6 entries so far...Some of 1st round's competitors haven't signed In yet...

[lcd]

7 entries so far...Entries for rally Japan, closing tonight at midnight!
Detailed Entries List ( Including some statistics ) + Competitors map
will be published tomorrow!

What about Shakedown? Has It given you any hard times..? :D
I have noticed, Japanese stages have some smart cuts and
road cambers or ditches help a lot!
Just don't over do It with cuts, like this guy, 'cos It seems a
bit like cheating...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjTaur4mxM :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjTaur4mxM)

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RBR Motorsport Forums Cup - after round1:
PS29 20pts LCD 17pts NeverKnow 15pts Raybak 12pts Redrover 10pts Fred05 9pts Hoofhearted 0pts BruceD 0pts

RBR Rally Sprint Championship - after round1:
BruceD 20pts NeverKnow 17pts LCD 15pts Raybak 12pts Redrover 10pts Urabus-denoS2000 9pts Fred05 0pts Hoofhearted 0pts

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Rally Start

RBR Motorsport Forums Cup
Round 2: Rally Japan
26,27,28 June

Good luck and have fun!

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RALLY COMPLETE

Times Submission Deadline:
Tuesday 30 July, 24.00

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Rally Japan, was as hard as expected!
Especially Day 1, where because of rain, there wasn't enough visibility
so could not stay In high speeds for a long time!
Although I did very good In short stages, for some reason I had some problems
staying In the road In long tracks...
I'm glad there were no unpleasant surprises for me, during this rally
and I'm looking forward to all competitors times, to get the whole picture of
this challenging event!

[raybak]

Yeah I had trouble in the wet, so slippy. Will post my times up tonight.

Ray

[lcd]

NeverKnow, Fred05, LCD, BruceD times received! :up:

[steve_spackman]

posting my times later today!

[lcd]

Times Submission Deadline:
-- Tuesday 30 June, 24.00 --




oops..!

[NeverKnow]

A very tough event for me. I started OK'sh at first but really struggled for grip in wet. I had more or less incident free rally.
I started the rally pushing really hard to get good times but I had problems with cars understeer and balance under breaking. I had a spin at the SS2 in a medium right corner and after that I switched to safe mode and tried simply to survive. On day 2 I tried to get back some time lost on the first day but I don't know yet if I managed that.

[NeverKnow]

To clarify. "By switching to safe mode" I implied I didn't attacked as much as before and I didn't take any risks. That was unfortunate choise of words from my part.

[lcd]

Glad you cleared that mate!

Rally Japan - based on the times of half of the competitors - seems
to be a punishing rally...

[steve_spackman]

Terrible rally for me. My first outing on my least favourite event. Spent more time in the bushes and trees than on the stage. Was not happy with the setup of the car. Did not have the confidence to push very hard.

Now have plenty of time to get practice for Rally Australia.

[lcd]

I really enjoyed Rally Poland!
Smooth, wide, fast, with spectacular jumps...
Technically, the event was a difficult one!
Changing car set up almost every 2 stages, helped a lot!
I feel I did my best here, though 'nightstage nightmare'
gave me a really hard time!

Looking forward to results!

[lcd]

steve_spackman times received! :up:

[FRED05]

Tried very hard to keep out of trouble on Japan stages but came unstuck on the last stage, going off at warp factor and a hitting tree head on, not good retiring on last stage..... Rallysprint stage was cool, but will wait to see the times, need to do more testing before the Aussie Rally

[lcd]

It's kind of early talking about next rally, but the Australian
event will be much more devastating than Japan or U.S.A.
So, I'm thinking of loosing the rules a bit, so not to have so many retirements...
I'm afraid some competitors miss all the fun, because of tight rules!

What do you think of It?

[steve_spackman]

Ive been testing already for the rally Australia. I find its a good fast one with lots of room to swing the car around. But a simple mistake can lead you into trouble.

[redrover]

I'm getting better at the wet stuff but can't seem to go any faster in the dry stuff. Looking forward to Rally OZ :)

Red

[steve_spackman]

Any news on the results for rally Japan?

[lcd]

Got all competitors times! :up:
Results will be posted shortly...

[hoofhearted]

Now that Rally Japan is over NC Motorsport are looking to re-evaluate things with the 2005 Subaru, the handling of the car in the wet was just not up to scratch so within the next couple of weeks the team will be looking to test a variety of different cars before the Australian Event.

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Thanks to everyone participated
but mostly, thanks for being honest!

I hope you enjoyed It, as much as I did!

Next round: Australia Rally
17,18,19 July

[Bruce D]

Yeehhaaaa!! Another sprint win! I must admit the car felt really good through most of that stage. I'd like to clarify thought that I used the Citroen C4 WRC 08, not the Impreza this time.

The main rally was a disaster for me. Was off the road more often than on it and went off at the bridge on SS1. SS2 was going ok-ish but then got caught out on a slippery patch and the front of the C4 had a intermit relationship with a tree - game over...

Congrats to NeverKnow, it took pro driving to get that event right in the rain.

OZ should be tricky but funny enough I have more confidence in that event than others.

[NeverKnow]

Once again a surprise result for me. I din't know I was that fast but judging from stage times, I really need to improve my driving in slow and twisty stages.
Also I would like to say a thank you to fellow competitors, without them there wouldn't be this championship. Congratulations to all who finished this very very tough event and better luck next time to those who didn't. Also big congratulations to BruceD for winning the sprint event two times in a row!!
Rally Austalia is a very interesting event but also very risky one because it is very easy to make a small mistake and have huge crash. Time to prepare some good pacenotes.

[hoofhearted]

Looks like i need to get some practice in my times are embarresing! lol!!! :(

oh well am looking to get some testing done in the next couple of weeks and maybe changing cars!

Well Done to everyone involved

[lcd]

Also I would like to say a thank you to fellow competitors, without them there wouldn't be this championship.

Couldn't agree more with that! :up:


Looks like i need to get some practice in my times are embarresing! lol!!! :(

Participating Is what matters the most mate!

[lcd]

RBR Motorsport Forums Cup 2009

Statistics - After 2 rounds :

Total competitors :
18

Rallies won :
PS29 : U.S.A Rally
BruceD : U.S.A Rally Sprint
NeverKnow : Rally JAPAN
BruceD : JAPAN Rally Sprint

Total Stages run :
14

Total Stages won :
LCD : 5
NeverKnow : 4
BruceD : 3
PS29 : 2

Retirements :
Hoofhearted : 2 ( U.S.A Rally / U.S.A Rally Sprint )
BruceD : 2 ( U.S.A Rally / Rally JAPAN )
Fred05 : 1 ( Rally JAPAN )
Steve_spackman : 1 ( Rally JAPAN )
Urabus-denoS2000 : 1 ( U.S.A Rally )

[steve_spackman]

Great championship! Im looking forward to the rest of the season.

[J4MIE]

Team RPE driver J4MIE is looking forward to the Australian round to kick off his (slim to none) championship hopes after deciding to miss out on Japan. "Decided to not make the long trip to Japan, I really don't like those stages at all and driving in the wet they are just nearly impossible. As we are on a very strict budget for the whole year the whole team felt that it was a wiser choice to save the car for Australia which is much more suited to the driver, and should present a much more consistent level of grip as it will undoubtedly be dry there for the whole event. Looking at the results it is all still very close but there are a few guys we have our eyes on and hope to beat out there!" :D

[S.Bera]

It's kind of early talking about next rally, but the Australian
event will be much more devastating than Japan or U.S.A.
So, I'm thinking of loosing the rules a bit, so not to have so many retirements...
I'm afraid some competitors miss all the fun, because of tight rules!

What do you think of It?

hi everyone it's my first post here.
so what do you think of applying "super rally" feature? if someone crashes, he starts next stage with let's say 4 minutes lose to first place.

[steve_spackman]

hi everyone it's my first post here.
so what do you think of applying "super rally" feature? if someone crashes, he starts next stage with let's say 4 minutes lose to first place.

Welcome S.Bera, great to have you here! Super rally?? That could be a good thing.

What does everyone else think?

[NeverKnow]

Maybe we could implement super rally in some way into this championship. We could try to use similar system that is used in WRC. Retired driver can reunite on the second day(for example) and any stage that he/she didn't finish, let say a 3 minute penalty (5 minutes would be a little too much in my opinion).
This is all a suggestions. It is up to LCD to decide if anything is changed in the championship rules.

[S.Bera]

@NeverKnow
This is exactly what i meant. i wrote the sr is applied to a driver who crashed, but i was thinking about retirement.

i have one question. what physics are we allowed to use in this series? i don't know if you knew it, but there are some rally freaks who make awesome physics based on homologation data. you can download them at http://rbr.onlineracing.cz/index.php?act=download&cat=1000 (click on cars name and link for physics and model will appear). also, i suggest to use their awesome plugin made for online rallying- this way we can ie compare splits with rest of the competitors. also, there is possibility to use proper service- this way tyre choice tactics can be applied. let's say you drive two stages w/o service, and one is dry while another has 50% possibility to rain. but since it is offline series, i gues you won't like this idea.

[NeverKnow]

As far as I know any wrc car can be used. Unfortunately we can't use the plugin because this would make impossible for people, who run the RBR on console, to participate in the championship.

[lcd]

Super rally option sounds great!
Just clear this thing for me guys...

The retired driver will continue from next stage of the retirement stage:
e.g - ss1 3:00.00 ss2 4:00.00 ss3 retired (penalty+3:00 ) ss4 3:00.00 etc

or he restarts retired stage with penalty added to his time?
e.g - ss1 3:00.00 ss2:4:00.00 ss3 retired - restart ( stage time + penalty 3:00 ) etc

Just help me a little here, so not to mess It with leaderboards/stagetimes boards...

[NeverKnow]

I vote for option A as there are no restarts in real life. Driver gets someone elses time +3 minutes.

[lcd]

So about option A:

I guess penalty time Is added to driver's time , up to the point he retired? e.g. ss3 : 2:23.36...(retired) + 3:00.00= ss3 5:23.36

Did I get that right?

[NeverKnow]

That doesn't seem right, think what would happen on long stages. I was thinking the time is someone elses who finished the stage, maybe the slowest time, plus penalty time. This way retired driver won't get any advantage and people are more motivated to at least finish the stage with a crappy time, rather than retire.

[lcd]

Well, that's a cruel punishment..! :D
e.g. I retire on ss3, so I get for this stage the slowest competitor ( e.g 5:00.00 ) + penalty ( 3:00.00 ) = 8:00.00, right?

I think I got It now! But what about If retirement Is mechanical and car can't finish? Will the same as above happen, meaning Slowest time + penalty?
And how many retirements do you propose to be allowed?

[lcd]

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If you mean something like that, I think we've found the best solution
In order everyone has a second chance after retiring..!

Super Rally option will be Included In next round's rules...
Thanx guys!

[NeverKnow]

I did a little researchof the regulations for WRC and found out that they use fastest time in their class and priority as a default time plus penalty. Maybe we should do the same, rather then use the slowest time(but they use 5 minute penalty for most cases, maybe we should set the penalty for 4 minutes, 5 minutes is still a harsh penalty).
Mechanical retirement is still a retirement and the penalty should be the same.
In real rallying it is allowed restart the rally on the next day (if the car and driver/co-driver can pass the inspection) but I think in our little championship it should 6 restarts. As the format is 3 stages per day and services between them. So anyone who retires is allowed to rejoin the action on the next stage no matter how many times this person has retired before.
What are the opinions of fellow competitors on this matter?

[raybak]

It should be 3 mins added to the fastest time for the stage. Don't think we should allow multiple restarts though. You only get one per leg.

Ray

PS in Rally NZ 2005 I managed to Superrally each day. WE were getting Loeb's time plus 5 mins so it was actually better for us to not do the long stages :)

[lcd]

As the format is 3 stages per day and services between them. So anyone who retires is allowed to rejoin the action on the next stage no matter how many times this person has retired before.

I agree with that!


I have researched the regulations for WRC and found out that they use fastest time in their class and priority as a default time plus penalty. Maybe we should do the same, rather then use the slowest time.

Could you please give us an example?

[lcd]

Ok, I think fastest stage time + penalty 3:00 Is the best option!
What about retirements? I'd say one per leg too!

[NeverKnow]

One Superrally per leg is fine with me too.

[S.Bera]

Thank You for answering my question.
Now as for SR, my vote is- penality= 4 mins plus leading drivers time, driver using sr starts from "next day". But starting from next stage sounds reasonable due to limited stages amount in rbr too. For those guys saying penality is too strict- don't forget there is usually more than one driver crashing, so you still are going to compete with them after taking SR.
edit: and of course i vote for 1 SR per rally. if driver crashes after sr, he is out.
edit2: also i think mechanical retirement equals any other. retirement is a retirement- if you loose electricity and your pc/ console resets- you should retire (let's say You hit a deer on the stage ;) )

(lil bit offtop- who uses consoles to play rbr amoung us? just being curious)

[steve_spackman]

IF each rally in the championship had more stages, then it would work, but with the current amount of stages per rally i dont see it being worth while!

[NeverKnow]

IF each rally in the championship had more stages, then it would work, but with the current amount of stages per rally i dont see it being worth while!
So you think that Superrally is not a good idea. Even if it allows you join the rally action on the next leg?

[steve_spackman]

So you think that Superrally is not a good idea. Even if it allows you join the rally action on the next leg?

Sure its a grand idea, but it would not be worth it. Not enough stages per rally to make it worth while. I would sooner retire than start under super rally.

[S.Bera]

when it comes to me, we can run all the stages twice. of course not like same stage twice in a row, but in random order.