Mosley tells FOTA teams: "Start your own series"...

[Triumph]

I don't think Max Mosley is in any way desperate to hang onto his power, nor do I think he's insane, but I do think he would like to do as much damage as possible, for his own reasons.

[ioan]

The problem is that Max is insane! He is willing to destroy the sport to hang onto the power he has.

I'm willing to give the FOTA plan a chance. They are saying that they will have a government which is not run by the manufacturers. One simple way to accomplish this is to give each team and engine supplier a single vote for the president and have a mandatory term limit of 2 to 4 years.

We don't need the votes of each motor club in every country who has nothing to do with F1 to determine the government. Those involved in F1 need to decide the government of the sport.

:up:

[tintop]

It's kind of ironic how some are finding the F1 power mongers to be so unreasonable this year, whilst embracing them whole heartedly in the not too distant past.
:)

[N. Jones]

Wait a minute....IF there is a breakaway series, where do they race? I can't see the tracks that signed a contract with F1 agree to a clause stating that they can't hold a race for any other series. So would this new series run at all of the driver's favorite tracks - Silverstone, Monaco, Spa, Suzuka, Canada, somewhere in the US, Barcelona, etc... ??

[yodasarmpit]

The problem is that Max is insane! He is willing to destroy the sport to hang onto the power he has.

I'm willing to give the FOTA plan a chance. They are saying that they will have a government which is not run by the manufacturers. One simple way to accomplish this is to give each team and engine supplier a single vote for the president and have a mandatory term limit of 2 to 4 years.

We don't need the votes of each motor club in every country who has nothing to do with F1 to determine the government. Those involved in F1 need to decide the government of the sport.Seems counter productive tbh, the purpose of a dictator is to remain in power so destroying the organisation doesn't compute.
In order to retain power, there has to be something to control.

Remember that he is voted into power, and even then he is not the supreme leader who decides on the rules on his own, it's a committee with Max as the figure head.

I have no doubt that Max loves the sport, he wouldn't have been involved in it for so long if he didn't.
I disagree with many of his/the committee's actions and methods, but don't for a second believe he is maliciously attempting to destroy the sport.
I honestly believe he is thinking about the sports future, he is aware that teams would fold unless spending is brought under control, and that new teams would be disinclined to join with the current outlay required.

Max and the FIA should have consulted closer with the teams on cost cutting measures rather than introducing such a draconian budget cap. The sport needs to spend less for it to survive the current climate, but even I can see that £40M is too little to run a top end F1 team.

This whole **** storm has been brought about by the combination of the FIA and FOTA failing to come to any sort of agreement. Both parties are at fault here.

On the other hand, we may have 30 odd top level races to watch next year :)

[Lemmy-Boy]

In this case, that's a bit like saying I'd rather have Hitler run the world than individual governments because political parties come and go and sometimes borders change.

You point is INVALID. Practically every successful global corporation, ie. Fortune 500 companies, have dictators or Hitlers running them. They're called CEOs or Board of Directors. And with any successful business, you need to impose your will upon others to move a policy forward. Like the old saying goes,"you can't let the inmates (FOTA) run the assylum".

MAX is no different from any other CEO or management team running an Fortune 500 company. In fact, Mosely is pretty tame compared to other well known CEO's out there today. Companies like Microsoft and their near monopoly manipulates the rules all the time! You can say the same thing about oil companies who purge consumers for petrol on a daily basis. Welcome to the real world of business.

NASCAR is run by a bunch of Dictators, the France Family, and look how successful they've become. Ron Dennis is an infamous dictator for McLaren but he lost the power struggle with FIA.

The FOTA vs FIA debacle is simply an overbloated powerplay. FOTA has plenty of cards stacked up against them.

A split will only divide the fanbase, dilute sponsorships and driver grids. Even F1 & FOTA is not immune from the Global recession as a split will only accelerate their timely death.

After the plight of Honda, it still amazes me that people want the manufacturers to run the entire show. Like I said before, all you need is one bad quarterly report or change of management from a manufacturer and they'll be gone from F1 pretty quickly. It happened with Honda this year and almost with Mercedes. And I won't be surprised to see Toyota and Renault leave pretty soon too. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[race_director]

max is in deep now, after his stand for the last 2 months. he is now alone with all his top comrade including bernie deserting him now.

he has has to find a way out of this mess he has created. his only option is to sue the FOTA teams. which is his only way out at present

[wmcot]

It's kind of ironic how some are finding the F1 power mongers to be so unreasonable this year, whilst embracing them whole heartedly in the not too distant past.
:)

Don't put me in that group! max has made a few good decisions during his time in office (safety comes to mind) but he has made too many stupid, dictatorial decrees that have hurt the sport. One example was Indy 2005 when Max forbid the building of a chicane - that turned out well!

[wmcot]

You point is INVALID. Practically every successful global corporation, ie. Fortune 500 companies, have dictators or Hitlers running them. They're called CEOs or Board of Directors. And with any successful business, you need to impose your will upon others to move a policy forward. Like the old saying goes,"you can't let the inmates (FOTA) run the assylum".

MAX is no different from any other CEO or management team running an Fortune 500 company. In fact, Mosely is pretty tame compared to other well known CEO's out there today. Companies like Microsoft and their near monopoly manipulates the rules all the time! You can say the same thing about oil companies who purge consumers for petrol on a daily basis. Welcome to the real world of business.

NASCAR is run by a bunch of Dictators, the France Family, and look how successful they've become. Ron Dennis is an infamous dictator for McLaren but he lost the power struggle with FIA.

The FOTA vs FIA debacle is simply an overbloated powerplay. FOTA has plenty of cards stacked up against them.

A split will only divide the fanbase, dilute sponsorships and driver grids. Even F1 & FOTA is not immune from the Global recession as a split will only accelerate their timely death.

After the plight of Honda, it still amazes me that people want the manufacturers to run the entire show. Like I said before, all you need is one bad quarterly report or change of management from a manufacturer and they'll be gone from F1 pretty quickly. It happened with Honda this year and almost with Mercedes. And I won't be surprised to see Toyota and Renault leave pretty soon too. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Add one to Max's side. I'm sure he'll appreciate your support.

[wmcot]

I don't think Max Mosley is in any way desperate to hang onto his power, nor do I think he's insane, but I do think he would like to do as much damage as possible, for his own reasons.

According to Webster's dictionary, one definition of insane is "foolish, wild." I think this pretty well describes Max's call for cost cutting when he is the one who constantly changes the rules each year resulting in billions spent on needless redesign and development of technology of questionable value (How much has been spent on KERS?)

A rational man would realize that to save costs, keep the rules stable. This would allow teams to "tweak" their cars rather than building a new one from the ground up every year.

If Max isn't in it for the power, then what is it? It's not the money. It's not so he can be around his friends at the races. It's not because the fans, teams, and press love him!

[Knock-on]

It's kind of ironic how some are finding the F1 power mongers to be so unreasonable this year, whilst embracing them whole heartedly in the not too distant past.
:)

:laugh:

Did you seriously expect anything else.

I think members are broken down into 2 camps.

The first look at F1 objectivly and what's best for the sport and the others about what's best for their team or driver :D

[jens]

After reading recent posts, I'm not going to add much more than to mention that I agree most with wmcot's arguments. ;)