2009 Rally Finland - official thread

[Miika]

Vetomaa!

[AlfaWRC]

That's the way Mikko celebrates his birthday...

[lcd]

Any news of K.Raikkonen? :D

[AlfaWRC]

Petter in problems?!

[Miika]

Petter in problems?!

Continues but wheel seems to be damaged.

[Psycho!]

No Petter......

[Miika]

Petter in the ditch says the rumour..

[lcd]

No , not again! Can't accept this Is happening to him... :(

[Psycho!]

And he is very close to the finish....

[r199]

k raikonen is doiing times round place 20

[Tom206wrc]

;( Petter


PS: great S2000 battle between Hänninen, Tuohino and Alen :D

[jerse]

Petter of road twice. Continues rally with flat tyre.

[lcd]

Petter of road twice. Continues rally with flat tyre.

Twice?!?!?

[r199]

yes twice second time coused by the to flat tires only one spare tire so 1 stage to go whit a flat

[Ucci]

I'm positively surprised about stage times of F1 star, Kimi.....Not bad for the first time on gravel, especially for so fast event. I hope his Punto will endure all this torture.

[ProRally]

juniors weijs already out????

Don't think so he finished SS3 ok

[SubaruNorway]

Is the eye in the sky just flickering for you guys too?

Edit: works now

[lcd]

What's the weather like right now In Finland?
Is rain expected later today or tomorrow?

[r199]

sunny now on page 8 of this topic is a link for a live cam in servis

[lcd]

Thanx! :up:

[jerse]

Rain is expected in the evening.

Petter has stopped 500m aftes SS4 so I guess Petter's rally is over for today.

[hari]

Is the eye in the sky just flickering for you guys too?

Edit: works now

Was a great coverage from the "Eye in the Sky", especially Hirvonen on Stage 4.

[lcd]

If Mikko doesn't floor It some more, will have a frustrating afternoon!

[SubaruNorway]

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[SubaruNorway]

Was a great coverage from the "Eye in the Sky", especially Hirvonen on Stage 4.

Yeah that one was nice! I just saw Petter on and thought what the hell?!
And then realised it had started from SS2 again :P

[Miika]

Kimi in the woods - and missing a junction on SS2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKgjnUj94j0

[alleskids]

could anyone pleae give a link to the eye in the sky?
thanks

[Rally Hokkaido]

Kimi in the woods - and missing a junction on SS2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKgjnUj94j0

Kimi in the woods! Glad to see it wasn't, "Kimi in the trees"

[pavlos_a]

kimi very fast!!! Well done...

[Mirek]

Yes, I'm surprised by his pace also.

[SubaruNorway]

Check out Kimi's time on SS5 Faster than Tuohino and Flodin and just 1,2 behind Alen and 6 behind Hänninen on a 13km stage.

[ProRally]

Now it looks that Weijs Jr is out.... or at least super rally

[pavlos_a]

already mentioned it. Great pace, and i bet in second time through the stages, he will be faster than the other punto. Also i believe hanninen to extend his lead in the second pass

[Janne]

finnish driver must have obligatory use finnish plate in their own country ;)

... insurance issues

[pavlos_a]

nikara??

[Janne]

Novikov off already ??

[pavlos_a]

ok. just started the stage

[Mirek]

Yes, Novikov went off in SS2 and than retired because of the damage...

[AndyRAC]

I'm impressed by his pace - first time making his own notes, and first time officially on Gravel - doing a good job, as is Kaj reading the notes.

[Mirek]

nikara??

He was 9 minutes late to SS2 (gearbox change). Maybe he's going later.

[Miika]

]Yes, Novikov went off in SS2 and than retired because of the damage...

Plus I think someone said he went off for the second time on SS3 as well so that sealed the deal for good if that´s true.

And Nikara still in the game says the radio.

[Janne]

]Yes, Novikov went off in SS2 and than retired because of the damage...

Looks like he missed a note once again. As soon as he gets that sorted kid starts to deliver ...

[Mirek]

Thanks.

I'd like to point out also Urmo Aava's pace. He has already 38 seconds lead over all JWRC. He seems to be even faster than Wilks last year in the same car - Honda Civic R3. At least it's sure that this car is very strong on fast gravel.

[ProRally]

Looks like he missed a note once again. As soon as he gets that sorted kid starts to deliver ...

He has VERY complicated note system, maybe he needs to rethink that.

[RS]

Kimi is doing great, we have to remember he is quite inexperienced too. I guess in a WRCar he would already be ahead of guys like Wilson, Rautenbach e.t.c.

[Miika]

Kimi is doing great, we have to remember he is quite inexperienced too. I guess in a WRCar he would already be ahead of guys like Wilson, Rautenbach e.t.c.

Kimi said he could have had a WRC for this event but decided to use the S2000. A wise decision to learn with the S2000 and then maybe later switch to the more powerful car, and not make a 10-year learning program with a WRC like some others..

[SubaruNorway]

Kimi said he could have had a WRC for this event but decided to use the S2000. A wise decision to learn with the S2000 and then maybe later switch to the more powerful car, and not make a 10-year learning program with a WRC like some others..

Any idea what WRC that might have been if so?

[Janne]

Any idea what WRC that might have been if so?

My best quess is Subaru based on Kimis connections with TMR Racing

[AndyRAC]

My best quess is Subaru based on Kimis connections with TMR Racing

Is he allowed to drive a non Fiat Group car?

[ProRally]

Is he allowed to drive a non Fiat Group car?

Why you think he is in Punto :D :D

Remember the Race of Champions, Schumi could not drive a other car then FIAT group car so they had F430 in the event

[AndyRAC]

Why you think he is in Punto :D :D

Remember the Race of Champions, Schumi could not drive a other car then FIAT group car so they had F430 in the event

That is why I asked - unless Ferrari have a WRCar....... :D

[ProRally]

That is why I asked - unless Ferrari have a WRCar....... :D

:D :D :D

Remember the 308GTS in rally version , it was great car

[Mirek]

Yes, it was even on our Barum rally but not very useful there since it was still touching ground. But great sound for sure :D

[N.O.T]

very nice battle for the lead and for 3rd palce.....i wonder if Loeb will pass Hirvonen today and be the one to oen the road tommorow....

[ProRally]

Only on tarmac events I have seen it.... imagen on gravel :D :D

[Mirek]

Last year Mathias Kahle did a gravel Lausitz Rally in Porsche 911 GT-3. He didn't find gravel tyres for it so he used stock winter ones. And... it was quite spectacular and faster than I expected :)

[N.O.T]

I fail to see the greatness of the F1 kid.....fighting in his home country with a guy in a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE civic R3 its not exactly great performance.....

[SubaruNorway]

I fail to see the greatness of the F1 kid.....fighting in his home country with a guy in a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE civic R3 its not exactly great performance.....

He's actualy 28sek infront now though. Come on, not bad for being the first gravel rally?

[N.O.T]

for sure i expected to be far worse.....but again i see people already mentioning WRCs for the F1 boy....The entry list for the PWRC of this event with an exception of Hanninen is made of village event winners with no future, so Kimi isn;t doing some thing really worth mentioning apart from having fun.

[cali]

I fail to see the greatness of the F1 kid.....fighting in his home country with a guy in a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE civic R3 its not exactly great performance.....
I fail to understand you in your negativeness. This F1 guy is doing great in a most demandind wrc event. Pls put Your happy glasses on :D

[cali]

for sure i expected to be far worse.....but again i see people already mentioning WRCs for the F1 boy....The entry list for the PWRC of this event with an exception of Hanninen is made of village event winners with no future, so Kimi isn;t doing some thing really worth mentioning apart from having fun.
Sorry, but i fail to understand you again - village event winners??? What creature are you???

[pavlos_a]

for sure i expected to be far worse.....but again i see people already mentioning WRCs for the F1 boy....The entry list for the PWRC of this event with an exception of Hanninen is made of village event winners with no future, so Kimi isn;t doing some thing really worth mentioning apart from having fun.


What? No, you are wrong. He is almost as fast as the other punto and Alen is always fast in Finland. It is a great achievement... Finland is a very difficult event

[AndyRAC]

We've heard this before when Rossi took part in RallyGB.......

...Just be thankful that both of these World Champions show interest and a liking for the sport - it needs all the interest it can get.

[Pinto]

for sure i expected to be far worse.....but again i see people already mentioning WRCs for the F1 boy....The entry list for the PWRC of this event with an exception of Hanninen is made of village event winners with no future, so Kimi isn;t doing some thing really worth mentioning apart from having fun.

whats your problem very negative and narrow minded comments village event winners bit of dumb comment there

[J4MIE]

Any link to results please? :D

[Mirek]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=154&filtr=

Or wrc.com and others...

[WRCfan]

for sure i expected to be far worse.....but again i see people already mentioning WRCs for the F1 boy....The entry list for the PWRC of this event with an exception of Hanninen is made of village event winners with no future, so Kimi isn;t doing some thing really worth mentioning apart from having fun.

Someone make a phonecall to the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE please...

[Psycho!]

Good performance for Kimi,but even in rallying he carries his ''superstar'' behaviour...He can't speak at the end of the stages??That's so difficult?Why Kaj has become his spokesman....?

[alleskids]

stil no link to the eye in the sky?

[Mirek]

You need to pay 9 Euro to watch it on MTV3.

[RS]

Good performance for Kimi,but even in rallying he carries his ''superstar'' behaviour...He can't speak at the end of the stages??That's so difficult?Why Kaj has become his spokesman....?

I'm sure Kimi thinks so it's ok :)

[hari]

stil no link to the eye in the sky?

http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=17913

[alleskids]

thanks Hari

[Miika]

Novikov:

http://ralliradio.yle.fi/system/files/images/DSC_0331Novikov2.preview.jpg

[J4MIE]

]You need to pay 9 Euro to watch it on MTV3.

Thanks for results link, I can't get wrc.com here cos it just crashes :s Can you give the link to live coverage please, I'm sure I have €9 spare :bounce:

[Mirek]

http://www.katsomo.fi/

[J4MIE]

Can I get mtv3 in english? I can't fill in the form to register :(

[SubaruNorway]

Can I get mtv3 in english? I can't fill in the form to register :(

use googel translator, hook off the three boxes on the first page, where it says gsm something is your phone number atleast.

[raybak]

At least it's fee to watch Rally SA, great coverage there. Too much rallying to watch this weekend, how am I going to get work done on my rally car :(

Ray

[SubaruNorway]

At least it's fee to watch Rally SA, great coverage there. Too much rallying to watch this weekend, how am I going to get work done on my rally car :(

Ray

Eye in the sky there too?

[raybak]

Eye in the sky there too?

Only got the Super Special at the moment, will be 18 hours of coverage over the next 2 days though. Seems ok for their first attempt.

Ray

[N.O.T]

next stage is on....

[SubaruNorway]

Only got the Super Special at the moment, will be 18 hours of coverage over the next 2 days though. Seems ok for their first attempt.

Ray

Link? If it's online...

[N.O.T]

i am surprised bu the pace of sordo....

[N.O.T]

Sordo is really pushing......tries to gain as much as possible now that Latavla is on sfae mode....

[raybak]

Link? If it's online...

http://www.puremotorsport.tv

SARC cars running at the moment, top guys starting shortly.

you need the silverlight plugin to view it though.

Ray

[J4MIE]

Ok I have registered but my work computer is rubbish and it isn't working on the webpage, anyone know i I can link directly to it from media player?

I don't even have flash player so no chance of sa coverage then :(

[wwbroe]

I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but i must say that Rantanen is setting quite good times. ;)

[Miika]

Kimi exploring the countryside a bit:

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[J4MIE]

Anyone else having issues with the live coverage? :s


Windows Media Player cannot find the specified file. Be sure the path is typed correctly. If it is, the file does not exist at the specified location, or the computer where the file is stored is offline (C00D1197) is appearing on the webpage when clicking the link :(

[wwbroe]

Kevin Abbring has stopped on the stage. :(

[N.O.T]

Mikko is slowly building a gap.....but is it normal or Loeb wants him to clear the roads on day 2 as well ???

[jerse]

http://arinu.pp.fi/MM-Ralli2009/31.7./slides/IMG_9418.html

[ProRally]

Kevin Abbring has stopped on the stage. :(

Got going again but lost lot of time 5min +

[raybak]

Love the sticker on Petter's front bumper. "This is my life"

Ray

[wwbroe]

Hanninen is a massive 11 sec faster then Alen on stage 6, whilst Raikkonen is only at 2.2 of the pace of Alen and is also faster then Tuohino in his Peugeot 207 S2000. ;)

[r199]

page 8 service link thay are now bringing in novicov's car on live cam

[wwbroe]

Ogier is loosing quite a lot of time on stage 7, what has happened with him? Anybody has any idea? :(

[N.O.T]

puncture most likely....

[J4MIE]

Windows Media Player ei pystynyt toistamaan videota ja antoi virheilmoituksen

:bigcry:

[SubaruNorway]

Is the start of Mokkipera different this year? Can't really recognise it

[N.O.T]

Loeb faster on split one.....seems these two are absolutely flat out all day.....none can capitalise on the other...

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "It's very close. I'm trying hard, but it's difficult to catch Mikko."

[White Sauron]

I'm a bit confused with Jari-Matti's pace. Seems like he can't be fast without taking excessive risks. Just look: every time he's fast he crashes. And every time he's cautious his pace is nowhere near to Loeb, Hirvonen and now even Sordo...

[N.O.T]

hmmmm in WRC they have no time for Loeb while in rally.cz they do ....1.1 faster

[Psycho!]

Mokkipera is an exception for him...You are right though,his pace must be better!

[Pinto]

yea 1.1 on WRR

[RS]

I'm a bit confused with Jari-Matti's pace. Seems like he can't be fast without taking excessive risks. Just look: every time he's fast he crashes. And every time he's cautious his pace is nowhere near to Loeb, Hirvonen and now even Sordo...

Yes...

Maybe lots of people could drive as fast as JML but crash 50% of the time.

Malcolm has renewed his faith (and his contract) with Jari-Matti, hopefully that will help to sort his head out for next year.

[SubaruNorway]

Ahhhhh! could someone tell the helicopter pilot to kep more to the left at the start of mokkipera so we can see the jumps and not the tree tops :(

[r199]

Maybe lots of people could drive as fast as JML but crash 50% of the time.

I am shure i can but i will also crash more and harder as him so no thanks :p :

[r199]

kosciusco losing bigtime again bertolotti losing lots a time to

[kabouter]

It's good to see that Hirvonen and Loeb are so evenly matched. They're clearly in a different class from the rest of the field, but at least they can fight each other on this rally.

It's a shame Keving Abbring lost so much time, some of his stage times were very good...

[lcd]

I wouldn't like to be In Mikko's shoes...Having Loeb so close behind!

[Kimachu]

I wouldn't like to be in Alens shoes.
Kimi beat him by 2.4 s on ss 8.

[wwbroe]

Yes, and he was second fastest man in Gr.N only about 3 sec behind Hanninen, showing some promising speed. :p

[pavlos_a]

Yes, and he was second fastest man in Gr.N only about 3 sec behind Hanninen, showing some promising speed. :p

His last time in ss 8 was fantastic. Bearing in mind that he is driving a punto and Hanninen driving a Fabia, it is impressing!!!

[Micke_VOC]

About the stages tomorrow, much new stages ?

New stages seems to be a advantage for hirvonen against Loeb.

[pavlos_a]

it seems that kimi will be the star of the rally. So, next year kimi in WRC, Loeb in F1 and Schumi in kimi' s place in ferrari. I prefer it like this...

[Sulland]

:D Kimi

[pavlos_a]

KIMI!!!! well done. I hope that he will be motivated in Spain as in Finland with Schumi as his teammate

[Kimachu]

Kimi @ ss9, wow ...
He has a bright future in wrc or are the other s2000 guys simply too slow and need to consider other career options? :)

[RS]

I wouldn't like to be in Alens shoes.
Kimi beat him by 2.4 s on ss 8.

When I said on this forum a couple of days ago that maybe Kimi should replace Alen for IRC Scotland and not Gronholm I was only half joking, but now it looks like it could be a sensible move. Kimi is doing an amazing job!

[wwbroe]

When I said on this forum a couple of days ago that maybe Kimi should replace Alen for IRC Scotland and not Gronholm I was only half joking, but now it looks like it could be a sensible move. Kimi is doing an amazing job!

Well, he is doing good job for sure, but let's wait a while to see if he can stay focused on the job. Pitty about his mistake before, if not he could be fighting with Alen and Tuohino. :D

[pavlos_a]

Kimi @ ss9, wow ...
He has a bright future in wrc or are the other s2000 guys simply too slow and need to consider other career options? :)

Hanninen slow?????? He is one of the fastest if not the fastest gravel driver with N4-S2000. And Skoda seems to be better than Fiat. Also Alen has prooved to be really fast in finland

[pavlos_a]

already mentioned it. Great pace, and i bet in second time through the stages, he will be faster than the other punto. Also i believe hanninen to extend his lead in the second pass

As i told you... Tommorow i expect kimi to be faster in his first pass through the stages. But up to know he is really incredible!!! well done, much better than he does in F1..... hahahaha

[Mihai]

Excuse me for a stupid question: why wasn't Rantanen nominated for manufacturer points at Munchi's? Is he ineligible or something ?

[wwbroe]

Excuse me for a stupid question: why wasn't Rantanen nominated for manufacturer points at Munchi's? Is he ineligible or something ?

I don't think he is driving for Munchi's, is he. I tought it is private Focus WRC he is driving. :confused:

[ZequeArgentina]

I think Sordo is doing much better than expected.
Really up there when Loeb and Mikko are giving all they have.
Rantanen also very good, as well as Ketomaa (but had some problemas latter).

Kimi took some stages to get rythm (quite logical), but is now at the top 3, which are Hanninen, Alen and Touhino, all of them fast in good (or better) cars and much more experienced.
Excellent pace by Kimi, and moreover impressive learning curve!!

[Mihai]

I don't think he is driving for Munchi's, is he. I tought it is private Focus WRC he is driving. :confused:

Rantanen is actually entered by Munchi´s Ford World Rally Team :
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=403&season=2009&rally_id=FIN
He even has race number 10, consecutive to Munchi's regular driver Villagra, but for a reason I can't understand, Rantanen is FIA Priority 2 status, which is for WRC privateers or non-nominated drivers entered by M1 / M2 teams.

[Finni]

Kimi's learning curve is perhaps the most impressive I have ever seen in rallying. He has got about 300-400 ss kilometres under his belt before this event and is now setting times near to Hänninen who is one of the best in that class. There is no doubt that Kimi would be future champion in rallying and only driver who could challenge Loeb.

I guess that Hirvonen had to drive couple of years to get that pace what Räikkönen is now showing.

Matthew Wilson has driven now five years with wrc-car and his pace is worser than Räikkönen's (considering how far he is from limits of the car)

[Tomi]

The rally goes quite as expected i would say, pity Ketomaa stalled twice and did have other problems too, but else nice driven by him, kimi impresses quite much.
I think if Loeb want to win here this year he should have a good gap before sunday 10-15 sec atleast, in Myhinpää Mikko will rule for sure.

[serial jeff]

Great competition between Mikko and Seb and an impressive performance by Petter before he went off. Dani's doing quite well too to be just 16sec behind Seb, though I'm a bit surprised that JML hasn't been able to get ahead of him.

[pavlos_a]

Kimi's learning curve is perhaps the most impressive I have ever seen in rallying. He has got about 300-400 ss kilometres under his belt before this event and is now setting times near to Hänninen who is one of the best in that class. There is no doubt that Kimi would be future champion in rallying and only driver who could challenge Loeb.

I guess that Hirvonen had to drive couple of years to get that pace what Räikkönen is now showing.

Matthew Wilson has driven now five years with wrc-car and his pace is worser than Räikkönen's (considering how far he is from limits of the car)

Slow down a little.... His is exceptional but we can not say if he can beat Loeb. For the moment, Mikko is beating Loeb... S2000 and WRC is not the same, and when Hanninen drove a WRC car, he could not win stages, eventhough he is the pace setter in PWRC

[kabouter]

This afternoon, when writing the rally notes for Rally Finland 1999 (see http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?type=result&rallyid=51 ) I was struck by the big difference between the WRC now and the WRC exactly 10 years ago.

This year, after 7 stages there were only 10 cars within 2 minutes of the leader, and those 10 cars were from three different manufacturers (Ford, Citroën and Subaru). After 7 stages in 1999 there were 17 cars within 2 minutes of the leader - the top 10 covered by less than 50 seconds - and those 17 cars were from six different manufacturers. What's more, all these six manufacturers were represented in the top 7 at this point, and all won at least one special stage in the rally! I really miss this diversity... :(

[N.O.T]

I fail to see the greatness of Mr Kimi.....he is so far behind a failure in the big league, a winner of village events with no competition and over a minute behind a solid rally driver with some limited potential.....i expected him to be far worse but its easy to look good when the competition is so low....PWRC and JWRC are a joke the last few years unfortunatelly.... put Kimi in a wrc and lets see him compare with the big boys and not village people.

I understand how desparate the finnish rally fans are at the time and need a new hero who doesn't quit or doesn't crash but keep things into proportion....

[cali]

Do we have "ignore" button in this forum? Did not find it ...

[Finni]

I fail to see the greatness of Mr Kimi.....he is so far behind a failure in the big league, a winner of village events with no competition and over a minute behind a solid rally driver with some limited potential....


Hänninen is perhaps not next Loeb but in terms of career potential he is easely match to the likes of J-M Latvala and D. Sordo. I remeber that in his first international group N rally Hänninen was faster than J-M Latvala.. Alen and Tuohino were once recognized as potential future rally stars. In the current affair of things this is no more true but those guys are professional rally drivers and Kimi has driven 350 rally kilometres before this. You are really stubborn sick dog who can't just change his once-taken-attitudes. I don't know any driver who has set those type of times with Kimi's experience (Maybe Ekström's second time in rally sweden could be comparable, I don't know because I didint notice him before his third or fourth swedish rally).

[Miika]

A great fight for the win in the rally and solid comedy entertainment in the forum, it can´t get any better than this. Thanks.

[RS]

I fail to see the greatness of Mr Kimi.....he is so far behind a failure in the big league, a winner of village events with no competition and over a minute behind a solid rally driver with some limited potential.....i expected him to be far worse but its easy to look good when the competition is so low....PWRC and JWRC are a joke the last few years unfortunatelly.... put Kimi in a wrc and lets see him compare with the big boys and not village people.

I understand how desparate the finnish rally fans are at the time and need a new hero who doesn't quit or doesn't crash but keep things into proportion....

Come on man, Alen may have been a disaster in IRC this year but on fast gravel events he and Hanninen are probably better than all the M2 WRC drivers. I don't disagree that pWRC and jWRC are a joke, but the first three in S2000 here in Finland are not pWRC regulars.

Of course, it remains to be seen how Kimi would do over a varied season of events, but for a WRC debut with so little experience this is very impressive.

[Ghostwalker]

Do we have "ignore" button in this forum? Did not find it ...

click on the username you want to ignore and then to the right you will see "Add *** to Your Ignore List" click that and the click save.

[noel157]

.... put Kimi in a wrc and lets see him compare with the big boys and not village people.
.

YMCA?

[r199]

@ N.O.T

there are no BIG BOYS in the wrc only to boys who are aloud to win

like Loeb is a great driver, no he issent. he has a unbeateble car
why dos Seb dont like to drive in the new generation wrc cars
cous there are way to manny compettitors and brands of cars and privatiers
who have no respect for loeb or a construcor
like now if Sordo is to fast he have to slow down just like the junior citroen
drivers there are a load of guys in de s2000 who are not slowing down for him
if thay can win. like now the wrc is Loeb against Hirvonen the rest issent aloud to win exept on of them is out.

[N.O.T]

he certainly isn't hakkinen as far as rally skills go, but compared to the only guy who actually has a chance at a mediocre/solid rally career (something like stohl) he is 1 minute behind.....so whats so great about him ?? he has as much future and potential in the WRC as Loeb has in F1.....

[N.O.T]

@ N.O.T

there are no BIG BOYS in the wrc only to boys who are aloud to win

like Loeb is a great driver, no he issent. he has a unbeateble car
why dos Seb dont like to drive in the new generation wrc cars
cous there are way to manny compettitors and brands of cars and privatiers
who have no respect for loeb or a construcor
like now if Sordo is to fast he have to slow down just like the junior citroen
drivers there are a load of guys in de s2000 who are not slowing down for him
if thay can win. like now the wrc is Loeb against Hirvonen the rest issent aloud to win exept on of them is out.


http://www.iem.ac.ru/zeppelin/bootlegs/images/cb-a.jpg

[Dejan]

he certainly isn't hakkinen as far as rally skills go, but compared to the only guy who actually has a chance at a mediocre/solid rally career (something like stohl) he is 1 minute behind.....so whats so great about him ?? he has as much future and potential in the WRC as Loeb has in F1.....

Look you smartass, Kimi has done so far only about 300 SS km!! This is his first rally on gravel.
Please tell us how Loeb has done in 2002 in his first attempt in Finland in WRC compare to the others, a?? But rememeber that Loeb competed already in 2001 with Saxo 1600, so he had some knowledge of the roads.
In my opinion Kimi is doing a superb job.

[Finni]

Slow down a little.... His is exceptional but we can not say if he can beat Loeb. For the moment, Mikko is beating Loeb... S2000 and WRC is not the same, and when Hanninen drove a WRC car, he could not win stages, eventhough he is the pace setter in PWRC

Hänninen did very good stage times in Finland 2007 with outdated Mitsubishi. Just before his retirement he was consistently beating H. Solberg stage times and was as fast as Sordo. There is no question that Hänninen couldn't match slower manufacturer drivers with some experiment and good vehicles. It's quite an illusion that Sordo's and Latvala's current level is something very high. There is many guys who would do the same with year or two in wrc-cars.

But even if Hänninen would be wannabe and Alen and Tuohino worsest professional drivers in the world Kimi's pace is still superb. Kimi's pace in last few stages was certainly more near to respective limits of the car than what for instance Matthew Wilson is doing with five year rallying practise.

[Finni]

Tommi Mäkinen just commented Kimi's performance and stated that he has no any uncertainty about Kimi's wdc potential in rallying.

[Mauri A]

Do we have "ignore" button in this forum? Did not find it ...
Do not use the button! We need to have some stupid provokers on this forum.

[Jafry]

Photos from 1st leg with crashed cars of Novikov HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=550&fseason=2009) ;)

[Mauri A]

Tommi Mäkinen just commented Kimi's performance and stated that he has no any uncertainty about Kimi's wdc potential in rallying.
If Mr Räikkönen ever will be a rally driver he has to change his attitude to media, spectators and fellow competitors. His princesslike behavior is not accepted with rally people, or at least wasn´t. Lindholm must to teach him something more, not just notes

[cali]

click on the username you want to ignore and then to the right you will see "Add *** to Your Ignore List" click that and the click save.
Thanks! :p :

[N.O.T]

Look you smartass, Kimi has done so far only about 300 SS km!! This is his first rally on gravel.
Please tell us how Loeb has done in 2002 in his first attempt in Finland in WRC compare to the others, a?? But rememeber that Loeb competed already in 2001 with Saxo 1600, so he had some knowledge of the roads.
In my opinion Kimi is doing a superb job.

he is doing a far better job than expected...thats all...if his name wasn;t Raikonen would you still be impressed that much to consider him a future champion ???

Finland to Kimi is what france is to Loeb remeber that....

[Mauri A]

he is doing a far better job than expected...thats all...if his name wasn;t Raikonen would you still be impressed that much to consider him a future champion ???

Finland to Kimi is what france is to Loeb remeber that....
By the way, his name is RÄIKKÖNEN.

[Tomi]

I understand how desparate the finnish rally fans are at the time and need a new hero who doesn't quit or doesn't crash but keep things into proportion....

I think you should know by now, that many years you have following rally, from here comes every year a few potential drivers, if of those 10% manage to make somekind of carreer there will always be Finnish drivers on top level of the sport, its of those who produce 1 potential driver or less every 5-10 year you should be worried about. :)

[cali]

Do not use the button! We need to have some stupid provokers on this forum.

I'm really thinking if i should ignore this sick dog or should i approach differently and let him amuse me and the rest of us. As i understand, everybody else are quite amused and entertained. I won't ignore him yet ;) LET THE SHOW GO ON!

[cali]

he is doing a far better job than expected...thats all...if his name wasn;t Raikonen would you still be impressed that much to consider him a future champion ???

Finland to Kimi is what france is to Loeb remeber that....
No, i would be even more impressed if some NONAME driver should drive these or similar times with the same amount of mileage.

[N.O.T]

I think you should know by now, that many years you have following rally, from here comes every year a few potential drivers, if of those 10% manage to make somekind of carreer there will always be Finnish drivers on top level of the sport, its of those who produce 1 potential driver or less every 5-10 year you should be worried about. :)

i am not worried at all.....i have tremendous respect for your country and the drivers and rallying without fins is not the same....what i don;t like is your arrogance as a nation when it comes to rallying (which is justified at a certain level with all that success) and the fact that you cannot accept that someone after 1500 years of dominance is a step ahead of your guys and makes them look really really bad. the fact that you see an F1 kid as a potential champion makes you look sad to say the least. he certainly has the money to support a career but not the skills.

I live in a 3rd world country that somehow manaaged to get into EU, so its hard for me understand how it is to feel proud for something thats not at least 2500 years old, maybe thats why i sound strange sometimes, i never have in my intentions to agitate things or produce anger.

[SubaruNorway]

Do not use the button! We need to have some stupid provokers on this forum.

Haha yeah we need to have someone to get our aggression out on :laugh:

[N.O.T]

By the way, his name is RÄIKKÖNEN.

sorry i don;t have finnish fonts in my pc to spell his name correctly so the fact that i missed a k i think can be forgiven.

[Tomi]

i am not worried at all.....i have tremendous respect for your country and the drivers and rallying without fins is not the same....what i don;t like is your arrogance as a nation when it comes to rallying (which is justified at a certain level with all that success) and the fact that you cannot accept that someone after 1500 years of dominance is a step ahead of your guys and makes them look really really bad.

I live in a 3rd world country that somehow manaaged to get into EU, so its hard for me understand how it is to feel proud for something thats not at least 2500 years old, maybe thats why i sound strange sometimes, i never have in my intentions to agitate things or produce anger.

I dont think there is any problem with that, the glory should go to him who deserves it, who ever it is and no matter from where he comes from.
I think most people see it the same way

[Corny]

Raikkonen will do better in rallying than he does in F1 this year ;) haha, no seriously: he's far better than I expected

[Mauri A]

sorry i don;t have finnish fonts in my pc to spell his name correctly so the fact that i missed a k i think can be forgiven.
You are forgiven!

[Tomi]

Kimi is doing really good in a strange disiplin for him, but to announce him as a future worldchampion is a bit too early, its always the last seconds that are the most difficult to cut, not the first ones, but im sure MTV 3's media clowns are happy.

[wwbroe]

Super Special Stage should be live now, is it run in reversed order or normal starting order? ;)

[wwbroe]

Nevermind, i see that it is in reverse order :D :( :D

[Miika]

Incar from Novikov´s crash on SS2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omk4bxAcBKw

[Miika]

..and Petter (the 2nd crash on that stage for him)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyIkNeVSNE

[SubaruNorway]

Räikkönen got pretty close to the concrete wall on the SSS hehe

[J4MIE]

Ahhhh got coverage now that I'm home....damn work PCs :mad: But looks like I am just in time :bounce:

[wwbroe]

Loeb is taking the SSS, reducing the gap to just 3.3 sec. Lets wait tomorrow's stages to see who will be the fastest. :D

[J4MIE]

Similar to last year isn't it, very difficult to pick a winner!

[JRodrigues]

Loeb is doing a fantastic job.. being just 3,3s behind Mikko on his home soil.. very brave! I'm surprised by Sordo as well. He's ahead of Jari-Matti which is very good for him. And of course I'm really surprised by Raikkonen's pace!! Never though he would set times just behind Hanninen. Hope he comes to WRC... but 3 years from now. He still has a lot to do in F1.

[N.O.T]

the result also shows that Hirvonen improoved...last year he was 2nd on the road and was slower after day 1....this year he leads with no lines to follow.

[Ucci]

Loeb is doing a fantastic job.. being just 3,3s behind Mikko on his home soil.. very brave! I'm surprised by Sordo as well. He's ahead of Jari-Matti which is very good for him. And of course I'm really surprised by Raikkonen's pace!! Never though he would set times just behind Hanninen. Hope he comes to WRC... but 3 years from now. He still has a lot to do in F1.


I agree 100 % with this states...

[paddocknews]

its raining in Himose

[Timole]

Pirelli shootout photos (http://rallyphotos.pri.ee/index.php?page=1&gallery=0&sfpg=UGlyZWxsaSBTdGFyIERyaXZlciBQ9WhqYS1FdXJvb3BhI GVlbHZvb3I7IFJ1dWhpbeRraSwgU29vbWU7IDMwLjA3LjIvKio qKipkMjMyZGNmZTQxZGNiYjc3MTAwNmNlNmU4ZjY0ZmNiMQ) and NORF 2009 photos (http://rallyphotos.pri.ee/index.php?page=1&gallery=0&sfpg=TmVzdGUgUmFsbHkgRmlubGFuZCAyMDA5OyAzMC4wNyAtI DAyLjA4LjIwMDk7IEp55HNreWzkLCBTb29tZS8qKioqKmFjNWI wOGQyZThiNWZkNjlmMDNiOWI4MzA2NThhMjQx)

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys, first stage of the day should be live, anybody awake? ;)

[tmx]

..and Petter (the 2nd crash on that stage for him)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyIkNeVSNE Why does it seem like a coincident that I was rooting for Petter, and I also have a flat tire while driving today, phew.

[tmx]

Ahhhh got coverage now that I'm home....damn work PCs :mad: But looks like I am just in time :bounce: Try a proxy software like UltraSurf.

[wwbroe]

Loeb is loosing 2.2 sec compared to Hirvonen on first stage of the day. ;)

[Psycho!]

Sordo keeps Latvala behind....!

[lcd]

Hope to see some battles today...

[wwbroe]

If you have a look at these stagetimes on first stage than it is clear that Hirvonen and Loeb are in a class of their own, big differences with the rest. Ketomaa hit a tree and lost some time. Raikkonen is loosing also quite a lot compared to Alen.

[wwbroe]

Very good time also by Nikara who is almost 15 sec faster then Flodin in second Gr.N car. :)

[lcd]

I agree! Do you think only bad luck can change this situations?

[wwbroe]

Loeb is loosing another 1.4 sec to Hirvonen on second stage of the day.

[wwbroe]

I agree! Do you think only bad luck can change this situations?



I think so, seems that even JML is not on his pace in his home rally, Sordo being even faster then him.

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ostberg made some kind of mistake, he is allready 39 sec of the pace, halfway trough the stage. It seems that it has rained a lot this night, because most driver are complaining about water on the stages. Can somebody comfirm that it is still raining or was it only last night?

[Mauri A]

I think so, seems that even JML is not on his pace in his home rally, Sordo being even faster then him.
JML suffers from food poisoning.

[wwbroe]

Henning stopped on stage? :confused: :(

[lcd]

JML suffers from food poisoning.

No kidding, right?

[Mauri A]

No kidding, right?
No kidding.

[wwbroe]

Mads Ostberg was off on this stage after a jump, into grass, loosing about half a minute. ;)

[Brother John]

No kidding, right?

No no! it is A new tactical game from Ford. :p :

[jimakos]

It seems Mikko knows better these stages!
He has managed to keep Loeb behind but not enough for a win.
In ss12 Hirvonen is 6.9 sec. ahead Loeb in overall!
Is this distance safe??

[lcd]

Nothing Is safe from what we've seen from Loeb this year... :D

[jimakos]

Nothing Is safe from what we've seen from Loeb this year... :D

Right LCD.
Although,rally Finland keeps 2 nice battles!
Hirvonen-Loeb and Sordo-Latvala!
Any predictions?

[lcd]

Any predictions?

I wouldn't dare..! ;)

[jimakos]

I wouldn't dare..! ;)

Neither I.
So Let's enjoy the rally :)

[Finni]

It seems Mikko knows better these stages!
He has managed to keep Loeb behind but not enough for a win.
In ss12 Hirvonen is 6.9 sec. ahead Loeb in overall!
Is this distance safe??

I would say in that point 30 sec would be relatively safe. :)

[wwbroe]

Does anybody knows what has happened with Tuohino on this stage, seems like he is in superrally? :(

[RS]

Nice time from Hanninen on SS11, beating Villagra, Novikov, Al Qassimi and Ketomaa in WRCs.

[emk]

Does anybody knows what has happened with Tuohino on this stage, seems like he is in superrally? :(

Clutch problems, drove first of the morning without clutch but couldn't start to Himos as the start was in uphill. Continues tomorrow.

[lcd]

Kimi's doing great! If he just stayed hooked to that position ( though Flodin Is just behind his back ) would be a great day2 for him!

[Miika]

Today´s last stage and the longest stage of the rally is the all-new 29,29 km Väärinmaja so that current gap between Mikko and Seb is all but safe if it stays anything like that till the last stages of today.

[Psycho!]

I think it was used last year...

[Miika]

Correct, it´s actually half-new since it was 16km last year.

[tmx]

JML suffers from food poisoning. I didn't knew that, I thought he was just driving careful after his crash. Was expecting him to be on the lead.

Right LCD.
Although,rally Finland keeps 2 nice battles!
Hirvonen-Loeb and Sordo-Latvala!
Any predictions? Sordo will win the rally. Well you asked.

[SubaruNorway]

Two live broadcast! I need another computer :P Mikko looking smooth :D

[Miika]

I didn't knew that, I thought he was just driving careful after his crash. Was expecting him to be on the lead.

He didn´t suffer from it yesterday, yesterday was a mental struggle and then today physical struggle, not the best of rallies for him.

[Brother John]

I think Loeb controles Mikko on the split times and wait for the real atack somwhere at the afternoon. I hope Mikko will win the rally and Latvala beat Sordo bud everything is possible till Sunday afternoon! :s mokin:

[Psycho!]

Finland is not the place to control the other!!

[Brother John]

Finland is not the place to control the other!!
Then you don´t know Loeb! :p

[ProRally]

JML suffers from food poisoning.

Excuses excuses....

[ShiftingGears]

Kimi is going amazingly considering how short his rallying career has been. Where he comes from has nothing to do with it.

[wwbroe]

Looks like Petter has another problem on this last stage, complaining about engine and damaged suspension. :(

[Psycho!]

He must put this rally behind...On WRR they suspect that Petter is up to something especially for rally GB or next year let's wait...

[jonkka]

Excuses excuses....

No, it's real - he was seen throwing up on road section before first stage of today.

[RS]

I hope that Hanninen can pass Al Qassimi and Villagra by the end of the rally. Anyone know why he got a 10 second penalty?

[Tomi]

Looks like Petter has another problem on this last stage, complaining about engine and damaged suspension. :(

Petter complaining about the car? cant be true, he never blame lousy preformance on the car :)

[Miika]

I hope that Hanninen can pass Al Qassimi and Villagra by the end of the rally. Anyone know why he got a 10 second penalty?

A jump start in Killeri last night apparently.

[Psycho!]

No, it's real - he was seen throwing up on road section before first stage of today.
What??This is very bad...I hope he gets better...

[N.O.T]

Loeb should quit chasing now.....too big of a risk...being 3 points behind than being 1 point ahead and clear the roads of Oz creating the lines isn;t worth the risk in my opinion. He should just keep the pressure and wait with no risks.

Good performance by hirvonen he finally showed some winning speed and fighting spirit...pity he doesn;t have the same attitude and speed in all the rallies.

[N.O.T]

RAUTENBACH C. / BARRIT D. "It was not good. It goes worst and worst."

exactly like your driving skills and career sad little Mr Rautenbach.

[Brother John]

Petter complaining about the car? cant be true, he never blame lousy preformance on the car :)

World Rally Complaining champion since 2004! Petter Solberg. :p :

[N.O.T]

World Rally Complaining champion since 2004! Petter Solberg. :p :

but he drives a car from the 60s with 400 hp less and citroen don't give him any new parts and they send mercenaries to rob his team and merchandise every weekend.....

[Psycho!]

Loeb should quit chasing now.....too big of a risk...being 3 points behind than being 1 point ahead and clear the roads of Oz creating the lines isn;t worth the risk in my opinion. He should just keep the pressure and wait with no risks.
The first time we agree!!!Don't forget that Spain is waiting and there Sordo will play his role as well....

[White Sauron]

The first time we agree!!!Don't forget that Spain is waiting and there Sordo will play his role as well....

Sordo is like a wreith... The shape is here, but no substance. Always the bridesmaid... And the Oscar for best supporting role act goes to... Argh... Is there any character in him at all? I hardly notice any. The guy's just doing his job, quite well though. But like that he's only a wreith... Being ruled by the One... Without his own willness...

[wwbroe]

SS14 is live now, first splits coming in. ;)

[jonkka]

Is there any character in him at all?

Sordo? I like him, he's modest and nice guy, carrying Citroen's second banner in style. It's not easy to be team mate to a french driver in a french team.

[White Sauron]

Sordo? I like him, he's modest and nice guy, carrying Citroen's second banner in style. It's not easy to be team mate to a french driver in a french team.

I didn't say I didn't like him. Just a pity that with all that stuff he's turning, like I said, into a wreith of the One. And double pity is that as life proves this process is irreversible.

[wwbroe]

How come we still don't have times for this stage? :confused:

[wwbroe]

What happened with Miko? :confused: :( :confused:

[jonkka]

ISC system is down...

[jonkka]

Nothing wrong with Mikko, he's finished the stage

[wwbroe]

Yes, it looks that way, because Miko seems to have finished the stage. :)

[jonkka]

AS you see, ISC woke up again... :D

[Psycho!]

Sordo keeps Latvala at bay....

[jonkka]

Yes, Sordo is driving very well. If JML would be fit, he'd be past but given the situation I think Dani's doing perfect job.

[wwbroe]

Petter has retired with engine problems. :(

[lcd]

Too bad!His start was dreamy..

[r199]

let the f.ck.ng citroen guys gif him a proper and good car
and gif him a chance to show how good loeb is

[hari]

Novikov went off as seen on Eye in the sky.

He had already some big moments before and then went off into the ditch and a tree.
Both are out of the car.

[Tomi]

let the f.ck.ng citroen guys gif him a proper and good car
and gif him a chance to show how good loeb is

dont think loeb need much help to show how good he is.

[r199]

whel think petter in the same c4 is going to beat him
petter is sometimes in his retirerd car faster give him the new c4
and he is better

[r199]

@ hari

a bad off or just a didge???

[pavlos_a]

Hanninen is flying today. And Kimi is again fast in the second pass. He will be infront of Flodin by the end of the day.
Nikara is also very fast...

[SubaruNorway]

@ hari

a bad off or just a didge???


Not bad in Novikov standards :laugh:

Went wide on a long righthander and through some threes and stoped in a big one.

[hari]

@ hari
a bad off or just a didge???

No not too bad. He went into the ditch and cut down a tree.
But for the day it will be over for him, as the front of the car looked heavy damaged.

But he must have some off already before, as the back of the car had some damage before.

[jonkka]

whel think petter in the same c4 is going to beat him

I think not.