View Full Version : Grönholm to the clouds
rx-guru
27th May 2009, 15:15
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/groenholm-zu-den-wolken-9207.html
Buzz Lightyear
27th May 2009, 16:11
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/groenholm-zu-den-wolken-9207.html
Bascially... Gronholm in Fiesta Rally cross car to promote new Fiesta in US, run by Olsbergs Motor Sport
Micke_VOC
27th May 2009, 16:36
I think the record gonna fly all the way with Gronholm behind the steering whell.
From the pressrelaese from Team Olsbergs MSE , Sweden:
"
The two-Fiesta cars Olsberg Motor Sport Evolution set up with will be driven by rallycross star Andreas Eriksson and rally-legend Marcus Grönholm in the "Unlimited" class at the 19.3 kilometers long asphalt and gravel track with 156 curves.
Team rallycross-Fiesta is based on the entirely new Fiestan. The cars are four-wheel drive and is equipped with a Ford 2.0-liter Duratec engine of over 800 horsepower.
Rallycross-Fiestans suspension has been developed through a collaboration between Olsberg Motor Sport Evolution, Ohlin and Ford Europe's Team RS engineers, responsible for Ford's WRC car.
- "We worked day and night all winter to get Fiestan ready in time for the European championships and it was nice that it got a well deserved victory in Portugal in early May," said Eriksson. "We think it's exciting to take the car to the Pike's Peak and see what it can perform in such a unique race. This is a legendary event and we have already been and looked at the challenges we will face. I am convinced that Fiestan will belong to the top of the battle to beat the 10-minute record and that the car will make a good racing debut in the U.S.. "
(Swedish pressrelease)
Homepage of Andreas Eriksson http://www.fordteamrs.se/
N.O.T
27th May 2009, 18:16
the title scared me to be honest.....
rx-guru
27th May 2009, 21:03
the title scared me to be honest.....
Another name for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb is "Race to the clouds". ;)
rx-guru
27th May 2009, 21:09
Bascially... Gronholm in Fiesta Rally cross car to promote new Fiesta in US, run by Olsbergs Motor Sport
No Rallycross cars, but a three-door (for Eriksson) and a five-door (for Grönholm) prototype built especially for the PPIHC. BTW, the new Fiesta Mk7 will not be on sale in the US before 2010.
wotaguy
27th May 2009, 23:49
yeah cars are 600bhp modified fiesta,s but basic model can be used for outings in Rally America championship later in year, i believe that is plan, also team what to break record which stands at 10mins 01 sec and do it in nine minutes!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmm tall order , but lets hope so :)
rx-guru
28th May 2009, 12:27
Nine minutes are possibly somewhat confusing… The 9 should just stay in front of the new course record time they are focussing, therefore 9:59:999mins would be enough – if "Monster" Tajima (current record holder), British RX veteran Mark Rennison (Ford RS200 'Mach2') or any of those guys in a PPIHC 'Open Wheeler' are not faster.
I understood that both Fiesta engines should produce about 800bhp at the start (2862m) and still about 500bhp at the Finish/Summit (4301m). In that case they must have at least between 900 and 1000bhp at sea level…
jonas_mcrae
28th May 2009, 18:23
If the Fiesta is any good, Bosse should break the record easily...
However the Suzuki is highly developed for this race so who knows...
rx-guru
28th May 2009, 21:33
Easily? Nothing can be done easily at the Pikes Peak!
Course record can only be broken, by whoever, if weather and track is perfect.
L5->R5/CR
28th May 2009, 21:35
Easily? Nothing can be done easily at the Pikes Peak!
Course record can only be broken, by whoever, if weather and track is perfect.
And the weather is hardly ever perfect, as evidenced by the 90+ degrees F at the start line last year...
wotaguy
28th May 2009, 21:40
and after all its only one run, is that right?? so i think the record will stand, but the fact they are there will add to this already fantastic event , and the fact cars could be usedlater in year , in championship is agood thing
rx-guru
29th May 2009, 01:16
and after all its only one run, is that right?? so i think the record will stand, but the fact they are there will add to this already fantastic event , and the fact cars could be usedlater in year , in championship is agood thing
Yep, only one run, that’s right! And practice is split up into 3 parts of the track in 3 days. Rain, hailstorm, snow, all can happen up there, even in July.
Torsen
29th May 2009, 01:39
i think i'm going to this.... got'a meet marcus...
jbmarcus21
29th May 2009, 06:15
i think i'm going to this.... got'a meet marcus...
very lucky to be not so far
ST205GT4
29th May 2009, 07:31
90+ at the start! Wow...bit different to the year I was there. I think it might have been more like 40 at the start and rapidly colder as you went up the mountain.
Great event though. Are they still talking about paving the rest of the course Kevin?
i think i'm going to this.... got'a meet marcus...
Lucky you..! ;)
Micke_VOC
29th May 2009, 11:12
No Rallycross cars, but a three-door (for Eriksson) and a five-door (for Grönholm) prototype built especially for the PPIHC. BTW, the new Fiesta Mk7 will not be on sale in the US before 2010.
Were have you read that ?
I think they will use modified rallycross car...
Were have you read that ?
I think they will use modified rallycross car...
It's written an article on erc24.com(paysite) And there it says that these 2 cars are built alongside the rallycross car of Eriksson, with the same bodyshell, similar basic structure, but with different suspension, transmission and most off all the engine.. The Pikes Peak Fiesta will also have some larger aerofoils then the RX car..
L5->R5/CR
29th May 2009, 15:08
90+ at the start! Wow...bit different to the year I was there. I think it might have been more like 40 at the start and rapidly colder as you went up the mountain.
Great event though. Are they still talking about paving the rest of the course Kevin?
Yeah, the weather last year was crazy.
There were teams leaving the start line with 9 PSI in the tires and crossing the finish at 45+ PSI. The weather temperatures were just unreal, there was no way there was going to be a record run. That and the area from just past Devil's Playground through Boulder Park had been graded and they had put in all of the re-bar for the curbing based on a 2 lane road, cutting 30-40% of the width in some parts.
They are definitely still talking about more paving, there was some question as to how much they would do this year with the cost and availability of the high altitude polymer asphalt but it seems as though some more will be paved...
rx-guru
29th May 2009, 15:50
Were have you read that ?
I think they will use modified rallycross car...
I'm an editor of ERC24, but mainly working for the RX history part of the webside. All our info was given by Andréas E. himself to my friend/counterpart Tim W. of ERC24. With a modified RX car one don't need to go to the PPIHC for braking the course record these days. See the current 'Open Category' record, done in 2000 by Per Eklund with a Saab 9-3 Viggen that was pretty much further developed than his Saab 9-3 ERC of the same year. Nearly one and a half minutes slower than that current 'Unlimited Category' record done by "Monster" Tajima in 2007… To brake the 10 mins barrier one needs to have a prototype thing built for nothing else but Pikes Peak.
Micke_VOC
29th May 2009, 18:19
I'm an editor of ERC24, but mainly working for the RX history part of the webside. All our info was given by Andréas E. himself to my friend/counterpart Tim W. of ERC24. With a modified RX car one don't need to go to the PPIHC for braking the course record these days. See the current 'Open Category' record, done in 2000 by Per Eklund with a Saab 9-3 Viggen that was pretty much further developed than his Saab 9-3 ERC of the same year. Nearly one and a half minutes slower than that current 'Unlimited Category' record done by "Monster" Tajima in 2007… To brake the 10 mins barrier one needs to have a prototype thing built for nothing else but Pikes Peak.
Ok, they have built many fiesta´s now .. so to new build fiestas for pikes peak.
rx-guru
30th May 2009, 11:46
Ok, they have built many fiesta´s now .. so to new build fiestas for pikes peak.
2008:
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Hedström (2007 Eriksson car)
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Eriksson
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Grönholm
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for H. Solberg
2009:
1 RX Fiesta Mk7 for Eriksson
1 RX Fiesta Mk7 for TBA
1 PP Fiesta Mk7 for Eriksson
1 PP Fiesta Mk7 for Grönholm
Regards to the hometown of Per, Tommy and Kenny!
Have been to Arvika (Westombanan; as well as to Walfridsson property at Ängen/Gräsmark) myself a couple of times. ;)
Micke_VOC
30th May 2009, 17:14
2008:
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Hedström (2007 Eriksson car)
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Eriksson
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for Grönholm
1 RX Fiesta Mk6 for H. Solberg
2009:
1 RX Fiesta Mk7 for Eriksson
1 RX Fiesta Mk7 for TBA
1 PP Fiesta Mk7 for Eriksson
1 PP Fiesta Mk7 for Grönholm
Regards to the hometown of Per, Tommy and Kenny!
Have been to Arvika (Westombanan; as well as to Walfridsson property at Ängen/Gräsmark) myself a couple of times. ;)
Arvika is a really motorsport town =)
rx-guru
1st June 2009, 11:30
"Renny" to the clouds as well:
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallycross/ford-vs-ford-9272.html
One more (hidden) pic to be found by mouse-click on the right.
rx-guru
1st June 2009, 12:56
And for those who never heard about "Renny" before:
A marvellous young Rennison in those halcyon GpB days of RX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuA7BnoOH3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuA7BnoOH3Q
Unbelievable! Thanx for posting!
rx-guru
4th June 2009, 22:30
Were have you read that ?
I think they will use modified rallycross car...
http://www.svartamasken.com/visa_galleri.asp?id=564
Note especially picture no 6. I guess it is showing the 5-door PPIHC bodyshell for Marcus.
Pics 15, 16 and 18 showing 3-door PPIHC version that will be used by Andréas, AFAIK.
rx-guru
13th June 2009, 17:12
http://www.ppihc.com/content.aspx?tabid=2&contentid=252
Wonder if "Monster" Tajima will not take part this year and if Grönholm and Eriksson will take passengers up to the Summit…
L5->R5/CR
14th June 2009, 05:03
http://www.ppihc.com/content.aspx?tabid=2&contentid=252
Wonder if "Monster" Tajima will not take part this year and if Grönholm and Eriksson will take passengers up to the Summit…
Supposedly Monster filed his entry paperwork last week (June 2).
I don't know about the co-drivers.
Maybe they want the option to run them, utilize them for practice and see how the times and driver comfort level is? I know JEMBA has the virtual co-driver set up available for PPIHC (Stig used it a couple of years ago if memory serves).
Pikes Peak isn't a terribly taxing route to learn now that they have added some guard rails but without a lot of pseudo practice it very well could be that both drivers feel that with a co-driver they can run better lines as they won't have to remember the course in as much detail...
anesa
14th June 2009, 14:51
http://www.suzukisport.com/pr/ppihc09/090608ppihc01.html
This is the official press release of his PP participation.
A.F.F.
14th June 2009, 15:05
A marvellous young Rennison in those halcyon GpB days of RX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuA7BnoOH3Q
Aaaah.... those were the great RC days :)
Gronholm, Marcus and Alanne, Timo??
Where is the usual Timo? Did he fully retire?
jbmarcus21
30th June 2009, 11:19
Marcus has tested for Pike Peak during 3 days ..
http://forum.rallyeforce.free.fr/files/x30062009100021957410041.jpg
jbmarcus21
2nd July 2009, 14:25
Marcus Test Fiesta 4x4 pics..
http://planetemarcus.free.fr/saison2009.htm
L5->R5/CR
2nd July 2009, 15:40
I will have photos from days two and three of practice as well as the race day.
jbmarcus21
2nd July 2009, 16:27
Google Earth Map Pikes Peak on line ..
http://planetemarcus.free.fr/pikespeak09.htm
Rallyper
2nd July 2009, 16:47
Nine minutes are possibly somewhat confusing… The 9 should just stay in front of the new course record time they are focussing, therefore 9:59:999mins would be enough – if "Monster" Tajima (current record holder), British RX veteran Mark Rennison (Ford RS200 'Mach2') or any of those guys in a PPIHC 'Open Wheeler' are not faster.
I understood that both Fiesta engines should produce about 800bhp at the start (2862m) and still about 500bhp at the Finish/Summit (4301m). In that case they must have at least between 900 and 1000bhp at sea level…
Eriksson Ford team has been integrated in Olsbergs motorsport which company has developed a cylinderhead for the Duratec engine.
Read pressrelease here: http://www.olsbergs.se/web/Olsbergs_pressrelease_1.aspx
rx-guru
3rd July 2009, 10:36
Eriksson Ford team has been integrated in Olsbergs motorsport which company has developed a cylinderhead for the Duratec engine.
Read pressrelease here: http://www.olsbergs.se/web/Olsbergs_pressrelease_1.aspx
I’m in the know, thanx! ;)
However, your info reads like a takeover of M.S.E AB by Olsbergs. But actually the two companies have joined to cooperate. ;)
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallycross/groenholms-sturm-zum-gipfel-9655.html
I can't wait to see the video of Marcus performance :s mokin:
jbmarcus21
15th July 2009, 09:08
Marcus Interview video and preparation for Pikes Peak : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/pikespeak09.htm
ProRally
15th July 2009, 09:25
I’m in the know, thanx! ;)
However, your info reads like a takeover of M.S.E AB by Olsbergs. But actually the two companies have joined to cooperate. ;)
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallycross/groenholms-sturm-zum-gipfel-9655.html
And have 3 cars at the X Games 15 !!!
rx-guru
15th July 2009, 21:38
And have 3 cars at the X Games 15 !!!
2 of the 3 cars for the X Games are the PPIHC cars for Eriksson and Grönholm, just in different specs by then. ;)
jbmarcus21
16th July 2009, 21:15
pics of Marcus Tests today ;) : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/pikespeak09.htm
gloomyDAY
16th July 2009, 23:13
Thanks for the pics/vid JB!
L5->R5/CR
16th July 2009, 23:26
RallyBuzz will have a selection of photos from each of the remaining days, including, today.
Today the photographer was just very sick for a while after practice was over...
cali
17th July 2009, 06:51
As far as i can see from the pictures Eriksson has rolled and marcus was driving bonnet open
greencroft
17th July 2009, 08:45
So can they now have co-drivers/navigators for this?
I thought a big part of the challenge was remembering the course.
jbmarcus21
17th July 2009, 12:27
Videos Tests Days 1 and 2 : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/pikespeak09.htm
rx-guru
17th July 2009, 15:09
So can they now have co-drivers/navigators for this?
I thought a big part of the challenge was remembering the course.
Yes, they can.
http://www.ppihc.com/content.aspx?tabid=2&contentid=252
As one can see in the entry list there is a columne with space for the name of a co-driver. However, AFAIK Michèle Mouton (Audi Sport quattro) in 1984 was the last to take a navigator (Fabrizia Pons) with her in the "Unlimited Class" (by then still called "Open Rally Class"). And in 1985 Mouton (Audi Sport quattro S1 by then) went alone up to the summit.
bt52b
17th July 2009, 21:56
Gronholm's car was overheating today
http://www.gazette.com/sports/peak-58653-hill-pikes.html
Some updates here, mainly by Joe Paisley:
http://www.gazette.com/common/archives/?cat=Sports
bt52b
17th July 2009, 22:27
A+ thread here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1788135
jbmarcus21
18th July 2009, 09:42
Day 3 Video : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/pikespeak09.htm
rx-guru
18th July 2009, 12:51
@ Jérémie: There are some little errors in your info. The PPIHC track is 19.99kms long (= 12.42mls), the start is at 2862m (= 9390ft) and the finish or the summit at 4301m (14110ft). ;)
1 statute mile = 1609.344m
1 feet = 30.48cm
L5->R5/CR
18th July 2009, 13:20
Photos on Rally Buzz:
http://www.rallybuzz.com/pikes-peak-day-two/
http://www.rallybuzz.com/pikes-peak-day-three/
The Ford team was not as prepared as they should have been for this event. Marcus has been very frustrated all week with issues with the car...
bt52b
18th July 2009, 13:46
Photos on Rally Buzz:
http://www.rallybuzz.com/pikes-peak-day-two/
http://www.rallybuzz.com/pikes-peak-day-three/
The Ford team was not as prepared as they should have been for this event. Marcus has been very frustrated all week with issues with the car...
Ford don't seem to have done much testing :(
Great shots as ever Kevin. Looks very dark in some shots. Do they run until dusk?
L5->R5/CR
18th July 2009, 13:54
Ford don't seem to have done much testing :(
Great shots as ever Kevin. Looks very dark in some shots. Do they run until dusk?
They start at 5:00 AM.
Full Sunrise is around 6:00 AM local time...
Photographers get up at 2:30 AM.....
http://www.rallybuzz.com/pikes-peak-practice-photos/ is the correct link for day two, my apologies.
rx-guru
18th July 2009, 14:15
I just wonder what a Sweden based team could do much better for testing…
Whatever they do for testing over here in Europe is IMO not really suitable for the very event in question.
Or is it possible to rent the Pikes Peak Highway for pre-race testing?
"Monster" has no less than 20 years of PPIHC experience on his side.
And to me he looks slower than "Bosse" in the second corner shown in that Day 3 video…
jbmarcus21
18th July 2009, 17:29
@ Jérémie: There are some little errors in your info. The PPIHC track is 19.99kms long (= 12.42mls), the start is at 2862m (= 9390ft) and the finish or the summit at 4301m (14110ft). ;)
1 statute mile = 1609.344m
1 feet = 30.48cm
thanks .. i have modified it ;)
jbmarcus21
18th July 2009, 18:45
Again 50 new pics..
http://planetemarcus.free.fr/tests2pikespeak09.htm
Go Marcussssssss !!
L5->R5/CR
18th July 2009, 20:38
I just wonder what a Sweden based team could do much better for testing…
Whatever they do for testing over here in Europe is IMO not really suitable for the very event in question.
Or is it possible to rent the Pikes Peak Highway for pre-race testing?
"Monster" has no less than 20 years of PPIHC experience on his side.
And to me he looks slower than "Bosse" in the second corner shown in that Day 3 video…
The mountain is for rent year around.
Teams frequently rent it in groups for 3-5 hours in the mornings.
There was a test session June 27th in fact...
The fact that Marcus was allegedly asking other teams for set up tips, they were running massively wrong tires, and have less than 500 foot pounds of torque is almost unforgivable...
Are there any practice times available?
jbmarcus21
18th July 2009, 23:04
i have found, the radio live during race tomorrow, in official website : http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=krdo&site=pro%2Fsilver01&tm=1812
but everybody know if they are video live coverage too ?
jonas_mcrae
18th July 2009, 23:06
"Monster" has no less than 20 years of PPIHC experience on his side.
And to me he looks slower than "Bosse" in the second corner shown in that Day 3 video…
Agree, Marcus "looks" faster round the hairpins but if there is room for improvement then the cars is capable of being even faster!!
J4MIE
19th July 2009, 00:30
Are there any practice times available?
http://www.ppihc.com/contentx.aspx?tabid=13&xsltfilename=PPIHCPracticeDay&xmlfilename=~/Results/PPIHCResultsPracticeDay3&contentid=257
rx-guru
19th July 2009, 09:56
Just found out that both, the RS200 of Mark Rennison and the Fiesta Mk7 of Andréas Eriksson are ready for the race now and that OlsbergsMSE has put another engine into the Mk7 of "Bosse".
Just heard on the live radio that they were going stream live from a place in the middle of the hill or something.. Did'nt get the link for the streaming... Anyone?
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 16:33
where the live radio please ?
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 16:34
the 2 radio are full :( (
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 16:45
yes !!! I have it here http://www.krdo.com/Global/category.asp?C=96929&nav=menu552_3
live video + sound ;)
Finni
19th July 2009, 16:53
When are monster and Marcus coming?
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 16:54
don't really the hour...
Race for everybody begin to 6.00 am in USA not ?
but the program of race ?
pucky54
19th July 2009, 17:04
RS200 is on the track
Andreas Eriksson went out.. Marcus is on the startline right now!
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 17:26
where to see that ?
where to see that ?
radio here http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=krdo&site=pro%2Fsilver01&tm=1812
and a crappy webcam, who can be difficult to load..
http://www.krdo.com/Global/category.asp?C=96929&nav=menu552_3
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 17:31
thanks, i had this link .. but both are full .. :(
Crap.. Marcus is still waiting.. They have to clear the track after Andreas went off..
Marcus is flying.. Just passed the 16mile marker.. Still in the race at least.. :)
Marcus finnished, but with a fire on his rear right tire..=??
And he lost the turbo 5k's before the finnish!...
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 17:47
have you got times ?
The turbo was blown 5k's before the finnish, so I guess the time is'nt to good? The times are being publish later..
jbmarcus21
19th July 2009, 17:50
ok ;)
1.Monster... 10.15.368
2.Grönholm... 11.28.963
3.Rennison.. 12.11.561
Unofficial!!!!
rx-guru
19th July 2009, 19:24
Division: Unlimited
Driver Name Number Vehicle 1) Glen Cove 2) Sixteen Mile 3) Finish Line
Nobuhiro Tajima 1 2009 Suzuki SX4 1) 04:34.100 2) 07:08.458 3) 10:15.368
Marcus Grönholm/Timo Alanne 3 2009 Ford Fiesta 1) 04:50.397 2) 07:34.078 3) 11:28.963
Mark Rennison 200 1984 Ford RS200 1) 05:26.302 2) 08:25.241 3) 12:11.561
Seeing all three times it actually doesn’t matter if and where "Bosse" had a blown turbo. "Monster" was always faster.
cali
19th July 2009, 19:33
They better find the torque for next year, otherwise no chances against Tajima's specially built car.
rx-guru
19th July 2009, 23:21
2009 PPIHC OVERALL RESULTS (CARS ONLY!)
1. Nobuhiro Tajima (J), Suzuki SX4 (Unlimited Class), 10:15:368
2. Paul Dallenbach (USA), Chevy Open Wheeler (Open Wheel Class), 10:52:097
3. Jimmy Keeney (USA), Greenwood-Hull K-Tech 2 (Open Wheel Class), 11:03:551
4. Spencer Steele (USA), Ford Wells Coyote (Open Wheel Class), 11:08:535
5. Marcus Grönholm (FIN), Ford Fiesta Mk7 (Unlimited Class), 11:28:963
6. Clint Vahsholtz (USA), Ford Mustang 2002 (Super Stock Car Class), 11:39:662
Stalks
20th July 2009, 00:36
Well, I find myself sitting here with a slight smug look on my face after seeing the results.
To me it seemed that there was a lack of respect from the Europeans pre-event.
It was quoted more than once that the 10 minute mark shouldn't be hard to beat by both teams (The Fiesta's and the RS200), Almost dissing Monster and the fact that he hasn't accomplished it yet.
Example Mark Rennison - "Rennison is confident that he and the RS200 can be the first pairing to finish the 12-mile 156-turn course in les than 10 minutes: “If everything on the day goes right and the weather conditions are good beating the 10-minute barrier shouldn’t be a problem".
It came as no surprise that in the end they didn't get close, nor that they were ill prepared (no set up, wrong tyres, wrong engine configuration etc).
Teams and individuals get more respect from keeping their intentions quiet, getting the job done, and THEN talking it up.....
cannyboy
20th July 2009, 01:21
Well, I find myself sitting here with a slight smug look on my face after seeing the results.
To me it seemed that there was a lack of respect from the Europeans pre-event.
It was quoted more than once that the 10 minute mark shouldn't be hard to beat by both teams (The Fiesta's and the RS200), Almost dissing Monster and the fact that he hasn't accomplished it yet.
Example Mark Rennison - "Rennison is confident that he and the RS200 can be the first pairing to finish the 12-mile 156-turn course in les than 10 minutes: “If everything on the day goes right and the weather conditions are good beating the 10-minute barrier shouldn’t be a problem".
It came as no surprise that in the end they didn't get close, nor that they were ill prepared (no set up, wrong tyres, wrong engine configuration etc).
Teams and individuals get more respect from keeping their intentions quiet, getting the job done, and THEN talking it up.....
Agreed. On the positive side, they'll all have to come back next year and get their act together. It's a great event, and hopefully more teams come to do this event justice.
Stalks
20th July 2009, 01:47
Absolutely agree Cannyboy. It's the Holy Grail of Hillclimbing. Having been once in '05 and had a great time, would love to revisit.
To us, the cars that stood out the most were the open wheelers. From the outside they just don't look as if they are anywhere near the right vehicle for the event (bet Gronholm etc thought the same), but they get the job done, and look and sound great doing it.
The other thing we couldn't get our heads around were the tyres. For all intents and purposes an outsider would swear you had to be running proper rally tyres after looking at the hill. But luckily we followed local advice and ran BFG's as per Rhys & Rod Millens advice.
As you say, hopefully it will have only made them hungrier to come back and do it right next time.
N.O.T
20th July 2009, 01:55
and that is how you get creamed in the US.....
All talk and no show by ford and the rally boys.....
urabus-denoS2000
20th July 2009, 02:22
I'm dissapointed but quite happy though,because Ford didn't approach it seriously
veeten
20th July 2009, 03:01
I think he likes it! :D
In an interview on Speed Channel's "Wind Tunnel", Markus gives his own account of Pike's Peak, and is looking forward to coming back. :)
rx-guru
20th July 2009, 11:11
Without going to Colorado in due time for pre-testing they will never go any far.
There is NOTHING over here in Europe where you can get enough experience to race at such an altitude and of all those problems coming with it.
L5->R5/CR
20th July 2009, 14:22
http://www.rallybuzz.com/ppihc-race-photos/
Wider selections will be posted on my personal site in the next day or three....
jbmarcus21
20th July 2009, 15:52
someone find video of the Race ?
jbmarcus21
20th July 2009, 16:19
Videos of Pikes Peak 2009
http://planetemarcus.free.fr/videos2pikespeak09.htm
bt52b
21st July 2009, 18:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBn6mk3lGsE
AndyRAC
21st July 2009, 19:56
Without going to Colorado in due time for pre-testing they will never go any far.
There is NOTHING over here in Europe where you can get enough experience to race at such an altitude and of all those problems coming with it.
I think that is the main point. You can't just turn up and expect to go quick, etc It has to be a proper programme.
No offence, but 'Monster' isn't a great driver, if Marcus (in fact, any of the WRC boys) could get plenty of practice, I'm sure he could challenge the quickest time.
L5->R5/CR
22nd July 2009, 00:44
I think that is the main point. You can't just turn up and expect to go quick, etc It has to be a proper programme.
No offence, but 'Monster' isn't a great driver, if Marcus (in fact, any of the WRC boys) could get plenty of practice, I'm sure he could challenge the quickest time.
Some of the best drivers in the world haven't been able to piece together Pikes Peak.
It is much an instinct, as being able to read the mountain.
At 13,300 feet it was dry and breezy, at the start line it was drizzling, and at the 5 mile mark it was pouring rain.
You need to develop an understanding of the mountain as much as have the car set up right.... If you know how the mountain changes when things do change, you can be much much faster, that is where Monster has the advantage...
yeah, Monster is a guru! :) You can see it in the way he sets up his car for every turn, and just throws it into next corner...
Grönholm looked like an amateur..
cali
22nd July 2009, 13:56
yeah, Monster is a guru! :) You can see it in the way he sets up his car for every turn, and just throws it into next corner...
Grönholm looked like an amateur..
I hope this was sarcasm ... oh wait ... it was!! :D
:D and a little ironi.. ;)
bt52b
22nd July 2009, 20:31
Mark Rennison is a guest on tonights Midweek Motorsport. He will be on within the next two hours. Podcast available in a day or so.
http://www.radiolemans.com/
live feed
http://tx.sharp-stream.com/tune.php?c=radioshowltd&.waxr=
rx-guru
23rd July 2009, 08:50
Reminds me a lot on "Climb Dance", but GRAND anyway…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nptFx1jug&feature=player_embedded
N.O.T
23rd July 2009, 09:18
Reminds me a lot on "Climb Dance", but GRAND anyway…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nptFx1jug&feature=player_embedded
the whole video is nice...... but a rip off climb dance which is ridiculous....
rx-guru
23rd July 2009, 10:26
Not to see on vid: Grönholm’s right rear brake on fire, which set the tyre alight just before the summit.
http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/marcus1.jpg
Helstar
23rd July 2009, 15:17
:D and a little ironi.. ;)
I've seen the videos and Monster is not that bad if we compare his lines on gravel to Bosse's ones. He only appears a little bit slow in the tarmac corners ... I didn't know there were so many parts in tarmac, that's a pity :| they should have leaved everything in gravel IMHO !
Monster crushed everybody anyway, so the talk stops, the winner is always right.
the whole video is nice...... but a rip off climb dance which is ridiculous....
I agree! Lack of Imagination...Too bad...
Hartusvuori
24th July 2009, 09:34
I agree! Lack of Imagination...Too bad...
Climb Dance is kind of be all, end all of Pikes Peak videos (or rally videos for the matter) so in that perspective I think that Peak Performance is justified. It also does it openly, not trying to hide the fact which is obvious.
Does anyone who is behind the video? Did they think Grönholm's entry was such an event that it should be filmed in a manner that Vatanen's performance was 20+ years ago?
rx-guru
24th July 2009, 11:48
Does anyone who is behind the video? Did they think Grönholm's entry was such an event that it should be filmed in a manner that Vatanen's performance was 20+ years ago?
The 2009 PPIHC entry was part of Ford’s PR programme to introduce the Fiesta Mk7 in the USA in 2010, thought out by Jost Capito. Therefore, I guess that Ford is also behind the video, to show the Americans moving pics of a tiny but very sportive car. However, just in case Grönholm had won and was able to do a time under the magic 10 minutes mark, as somewhat blue-eyedly bragged before even leaving Europe, it would have been a much bigger event than Vatanen beating Röhrl’s 1987 time by just half a second in 1988…
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