Mayfield FAILED Drug Test

[Chaparral66]

Mark, I'm listening to you, and I'm more on the fence about this than I ever was, since originally I was willing to give Mayfield some benefit of the doubt. Now, not as much. But I still want this to go to trial. I want ALL the dirty linen to come out, and vet everyone and everything. Let the chips fall where they may.

[Jonesi]

Latest on Jayski, Trial date set for Sept 2010!

[Mark in Oshawa]

Mark, I'm listening to you, and I'm more on the fence about this than I ever was, since originally I was willing to give Mayfield some benefit of the doubt. Now, not as much. But I still want this to go to trial. I want ALL the dirty linen to come out, and vet everyone and everything. Let the chips fall where they may.

Chap, here is the issue with this giving Jeremy the benefit of the doubt:

One, NASCAR has no real gain by going through this. All this dirt in the press and all this fighting is doing nothing positive for them. It is one of the reasons I think they had their collective head in the sand for years until the Aaron Fike business hit the fan. They would rather not know, or at least that was in the past. Taking the heat they did, they had to put together an effective drug testing program.

Two, this program isn't some dime store drug store testing these samples, it is a HIGHLY respected company that does work for private industry and government.

Three, as someone who has to be available for testing in a very simliar program ( CDL holders are subject to the same rules and conditions ) I can tell you that Jeremy would have to be an IDIOT to be on Adderrol and Clartin and nothing else and NOT admit this when he took his test. You are asked if you are taking anything that could cause a false positive. Jeremy never ONCE told anyone of those drugs or his reasons for taking them until he was suspended. THat says to me he was hiding something.

Four; Jeremy Mayfield's lawyers have thrown everything out there for the reason for the positive test except claiming it wasn't his urine. It is a classic defense that only works if your jury is full of people not paying attention, but anyone with half a brain will notice that his lawyers have never denied the fact that test was positive, only that it was a false negative. When the lab comes out and says he would have to be taking Adderrol and Clartin by the boxcar load to get these results, and a second follow up test gives the same result, you have to realize he is on something

Five; Now that he was tested a second time and found in violation YET again, ( we wont get into the semantics of all the dodging he did to avoid going to the test lab AEGIS and NASCAR selected), we also note the A sample was full of water, a sign he was trying to flush his system in the 7 hours he made the NASCAR approved testers . The B sample is still sealed and its testing by a lab approved by all parties will eventually prove his guilt or innocense. Want to really bet on that one being negative? I'll take that one.

Six; Mayfield's behaviour and actions in the press are classic signs of denial by a drug user. Anyone who has known an addict on their way to rock bottom or is familar with the rationalization addicts have will realize he is a classic addict in denial. Persecution complexes, arrogancy and sheer chutzpah in the face of such damning evidence says volumes about his denial of the facts. An innocent man may also be defiant, but calling his step mom a "whore" and accusing her of killing his alcholic father in the press is not what his lawyers I am sure advocated. The man shoots himself in the foot over and over. No sane INNOCENT man would be this stupid.

Seven; He has accused NASCAR of spiking the sample while claiming he has tested himself numerous times and is negative. First off, he has never offered up definitive proof. Show me the lab tests from a lab qualified to look for Meth. Not all labs can. Secondly, show me the paper trail of seals and paperwork, and also understand his second positive test was a "witnessed" test. They SAW him pee in the cup. None of his tests are witnessed by an impartial observer. He lost that benefit of the doubt with the first positive test. NASCAR has nothing to gain by spiking samples. On the contrary, they wish this wasn't happening I am sure, but as time goes on, the people who like you think he has a case will see he has NO case.

Jeremy Mayfield has done NOTHING but deny he is on drugs, but everything he has done since being tested positive has done nothing to dispute with facts NASCAR's Case. A techinicality in not liking how NASCAR's lab had the test done only stands up if the second positive test didn't come along. Getting off with a techinicality isn't happening on the second test.

Stick a fork in him, send him to rehab and hopefully he wises up, because his racing career is done. No one in NASCAR will go near this dope with a 10 foot pole. His big mouth for years got him shoved out of good rides. THAT too is evidence of his arrogance which is a by product of the meth highs. The fact he doesn't look like a meth addict isn't proof of innocense, only that he has managed to hide it better. It happens.....

[muggle not]

Agree with all your points mark.

[Sparky1329]

Agree with all your points mark.

Ditto!

[Mark in Oshawa]

Whew..glad someone read em..lol

[muggle not]

Whew..glad someone read em..lol
Yeah, it was a little long winded :)

[Sparky1329]

Yeah, it was a little long winded :)

But spot on. :)

Just when you thought this saga couldn't get crazier.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4364052


Lisa Mayfield is seeking damages against her stepson, suspended Sprint Cup driver Jeremy Mayfield, for public comments he made in regard to his civil case against NASCAR, according to court documents.



Mayfield

Lisa Mayfield is seeking compensatory damages in excess of $10,000, punitive damages in excess of $10,000 and any other "relief as the court may deem just and proper" in a civil suit claiming slanderous, false and defamatory statements.

The complaint was filed Wednesday in the Iredell County Civil court in Statesville.

Court documents refer to statements that Jeremy Mayfield made to ESPN.com and WSOC-TV in Charlotte, which came after NASCAR filed court documents that included an affidavit from Lisa Mayfield in which she said she had witnessed her stepson taking methamphetamine at least 30 times since 1998.

The testimony was part of NASCAR's argument that the temporary injunction lifting his indefinite suspension for violating the sport's substance-abuse policy should be overturned.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals has since ordered that Mayfield's suspension be reinstated.

Lisa Mayfield's testimony also included accusations that Jeremy Mayfield was involved in the production of methamphetamine.

Jeremy Mayfield, responding during a phone interview with ESPN.com, said: "She's basically a whore. She shot and killed my dad."

Somebody needs to tell Jeremy to sit down and shut up. He'd better have really deep pockets to back up his lip flapping. Oy.

[Mark in Oshawa]

But spot on. :)

Just when you thought this saga couldn't get crazier.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4364052



Somebody needs to tell Jeremy to sit down and shut up. He'd better have really deep pockets to back up his lip flapping. Oy.


I am blown away his lawyers haven't duct taped his mouth shut. If you heard his rambling attack on the world when he was on with Nate Ryanand Buddy Baker on Sirius NASCAR radio a few weeks back, you would realize just how demented his arguments are. His lawyer should have dropped him like a hot potato. He is just killing himself in the court of public opinion and as time goes on, a few more outbursts and he will be toast.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Yeah, it was a little long winded :)

Hey...you have to prove a point ....and I had been up for a while after pulling an overnighter.....kinda punchy.

[Sparky1329]

I am blown away his lawyers haven't duct taped his mouth shut. If you heard his rambling attack on the world when he was on with Nate Ryanand Buddy Baker on Sirius NASCAR radio a few weeks back, you would realize just how demented his arguments are. His lawyer should have dropped him like a hot potato. He is just killing himself in the court of public opinion and as time goes on, a few more outbursts and he will be toast.

My guess is his lawyer probably told him to shut up. Any competent attorney would. Jeremy is so dumb he thinks he's smart. This is classic Mayfield behavior. Nothing has ever been his fault throughout his NASCAR career. It makes me wonder how much of his bravado is pure idiocy and how much is from the crap he's obviously using.

[Chaparral66]

Chap, here is the issue with this giving Jeremy the benefit of the doubt:

One, NASCAR has no real gain by going through this. All this dirt in the press and all this fighting is doing nothing positive for them. It is one of the reasons I think they had their collective head in the sand for years until the Aaron Fike business hit the fan. They would rather not know, or at least that was in the past. Taking the heat they did, they had to put together an effective drug testing program.

Two, this program isn't some dime store drug store testing these samples, it is a HIGHLY respected company that does work for private industry and government.

Three, as someone who has to be available for testing in a very simliar program ( CDL holders are subject to the same rules and conditions ) I can tell you that Jeremy would have to be an IDIOT to be on Adderrol and Clartin and nothing else and NOT admit this when he took his test. You are asked if you are taking anything that could cause a false positive. Jeremy never ONCE told anyone of those drugs or his reasons for taking them until he was suspended. THat says to me he was hiding something.

Four; Jeremy Mayfield's lawyers have thrown everything out there for the reason for the positive test except claiming it wasn't his urine. It is a classic defense that only works if your jury is full of people not paying attention, but anyone with half a brain will notice that his lawyers have never denied the fact that test was positive, only that it was a false negative. When the lab comes out and says he would have to be taking Adderrol and Clartin by the boxcar load to get these results, and a second follow up test gives the same result, you have to realize he is on something

Five; Now that he was tested a second time and found in violation YET again, ( we wont get into the semantics of all the dodging he did to avoid going to the test lab AEGIS and NASCAR selected), we also note the A sample was full of water, a sign he was trying to flush his system in the 7 hours he made the NASCAR approved testers . The B sample is still sealed and its testing by a lab approved by all parties will eventually prove his guilt or innocense. Want to really bet on that one being negative? I'll take that one.

Six; Mayfield's behaviour and actions in the press are classic signs of denial by a drug user. Anyone who has known an addict on their way to rock bottom or is familar with the rationalization addicts have will realize he is a classic addict in denial. Persecution complexes, arrogancy and sheer chutzpah in the face of such damning evidence says volumes about his denial of the facts. An innocent man may also be defiant, but calling his step mom a "whore" and accusing her of killing his alcholic father in the press is not what his lawyers I am sure advocated. The man shoots himself in the foot over and over. No sane INNOCENT man would be this stupid.

Seven; He has accused NASCAR of spiking the sample while claiming he has tested himself numerous times and is negative. First off, he has never offered up definitive proof. Show me the lab tests from a lab qualified to look for Meth. Not all labs can. Secondly, show me the paper trail of seals and paperwork, and also understand his second positive test was a "witnessed" test. They SAW him pee in the cup. None of his tests are witnessed by an impartial observer. He lost that benefit of the doubt with the first positive test. NASCAR has nothing to gain by spiking samples. On the contrary, they wish this wasn't happening I am sure, but as time goes on, the people who like you think he has a case will see he has NO case.

Jeremy Mayfield has done NOTHING but deny he is on drugs, but everything he has done since being tested positive has done nothing to dispute with facts NASCAR's Case. A techinicality in not liking how NASCAR's lab had the test done only stands up if the second positive test didn't come along. Getting off with a techinicality isn't happening on the second test.

Stick a fork in him, send him to rehab and hopefully he wises up, because his racing career is done. No one in NASCAR will go near this dope with a 10 foot pole. His big mouth for years got him shoved out of good rides. THAT too is evidence of his arrogance which is a by product of the meth highs. The fact he doesn't look like a meth addict isn't proof of innocense, only that he has managed to hide it better. It happens.....

When he accused NASCAR of spiking the sample, that's where he began to lose me. For all of NASCAR's faults, I'll stop way short of suggesting they would do something like that. I read all of your points and there is a lot of merit to them. But I still want this to go to court. This will accomplish several things: it will once and for all establish Mayfield's culpability in an even handed process; it will subject NASCAR's (on the surface) legitimate but secretive drug testing to proper scrutiny and find where the flaws are, if any, and bring them closer to federal guidlines so the public trust can be validated; and finally, we can have the real truth, no matter where the chips fall, and end all this ceaseless speculation, which is all we've been doing. All the facts we have are two drug tests, which is powerful information. But the US has laws on the books saying if you feel you're falsely accused, you can contest it, which is what Mayfield is doing, so I have no problem with that. But now the burden of proof is on Mayfield; he has to prove NASCAR did something wrong, and that will be tough for an intelligent person to do, let alone for an intellectual heavyweight like Mayfield. All NASCAR has to do is show their tesing policy to be fair and accurate. If they can do that, then yeah, reach for the fork, and also the nail for Mayfield's coffin.

[PA Rick]

I want to see an independent test of the second sealed B sample. In the first positive test, NASCAR's lab tested both the A and B sample. An independent lab also tested both samples but the seals were obviously broken by the first lab. A judge found these procedures to be wrong and he repealed the suspension. NASCAR tested him again, and he failed, and in the second test, NASCAR says he failed to specify a lab to test the B sample, so it has not been tested.
The way this should work is if a lab finds the A sample to be positive, the sealed B sample is sent to another independent lab. If that is positive also, the test is considered positive. NASCAR has not done this.
For pity sake, do it right. Not only has NASCAR not followed prudent pocedures, they let mayfield drive after they received a report he tested positive. Get it right.
I can't say I'm much of a Mayfield fan, but I hate to see bad science, especially where a life and a career is at stake. If he's on Meth, get rid of him or get him help, if not, reinstate him

[Mark in Oshawa]

I want to see an independent test of the second sealed B sample. In the first positive test, NASCAR's lab tested both the A and B sample. An independent lab also tested both samples but the seals were obviously broken by the first lab. A judge found these procedures to be wrong and he repealed the suspension. NASCAR tested him again, and he failed, and in the second test, NASCAR says he failed to specify a lab to test the B sample, so it has not been tested.
The way this should work is if a lab finds the A sample to be positive, the sealed B sample is sent to another independent lab. If that is positive also, the test is considered positive. NASCAR has not done this.
For pity sake, do it right. Not only has NASCAR not followed prudent pocedures, they let mayfield drive after they received a report he tested positive. Get it right.
I can't say I'm much of a Mayfield fan, but I hate to see bad science, especially where a life and a career is at stake. If he's on Meth, get rid of him or get him help, if not, reinstate him

you have obviously bought into the myth the lab had something to gain by this dumb mook testing positive. I think Aegis knows what they are doing and while the seals were broken on the first test, I think it wouldn't have changed things. The lawyers for Mayfield keep trying to bring up this while of course stepping neatly around the fact he tested positive, and just about any reputable lab said the drug numbers on the test didn't indicate a bad mix of over the counter stuff, as Jeremy claims. Add in all the subterfuge and BS around that second test and how he tried to dodge it, and you cannot honestly believe he isn't on something.

It isn't bad science, it is a bad chain of evidence, but it may not change the fact he was on something, and the second test more than backs up the first.

[muggle not]

Everyone seems to be disregarding the peole that claim they have seen Jeremy taking meth.

[Nem14]

Because that's all they are, claims.

[Jonesi]

Everyone seems to be disregarding the peole that claim they have seen Jeremy taking meth.

The only "people" I've heard about is a step-mother that there's already been some very "bad blood" between the two.

[Sparky1329]

The only "people" I've heard about is a step-mother that there's already been some very "bad blood" between the two.

According to news reports earlier this week NASCAR submitted a filing with the court stating that they had several other witnesses. Also Jeremy's stepmother sued him for defamation because he accused her of "killing" his father. At the time of his father's death police reports called it suicide.

You need to keep up with this soap opera, Jonesi. You're a little behind. ;)

[PA Rick]

you have obviously bought into the myth the lab had something to gain by this dumb mook testing positive. I think Aegis knows what they are doing and while the seals were broken on the first test, I think it wouldn't have changed things. The lawyers for Mayfield keep trying to bring up this while of course stepping neatly around the fact he tested positive, and just about any reputable lab said the drug numbers on the test didn't indicate a bad mix of over the counter stuff, as Jeremy claims. Add in all the subterfuge and BS around that second test and how he tried to dodge it, and you cannot honestly believe he isn't on something.

It isn't bad science, it is a bad chain of evidence, but it may not change the fact he was on something, and the second test more than backs up the first.

Does NASCAR do thing sloppily to attract attention? Why would the same lab test the second sample. If they were wrong on the first sample, why would they make themselves look bad by saying the second test was different?
I "think" Jeremy probably is or was on meth but I am frustrated as to why NASCAR would do things so sloppily. You say it is not bad science, it is bad chain of evidence. But bottom line it is bad for NASCAR and fans.

[Sparky1329]

Does NASCAR do thing sloppily to attract attention? Why would the same lab test the second sample. If they were wrong on the first sample, why would they make themselves look bad by saying the second test was different?
I "think" Jeremy probably is or was on meth but I am frustrated as to why NASCAR would do things so sloppily. You say it is not bad science, it is bad chain of evidence. But bottom line it is bad for NASCAR and fans.

Nah. It's bad for Jeremy.

[muggle not]

It boggles my mind to see people that still think Jeremy is innocent of taking meth.

Only reason I can think of is that it is the "usual" nascar bashers and they jump on any opportunity to take issue with anything Nascar does.

[Sparky1329]

It boggles my mind to see people that still think Jeremy is innocent of taking meth.

Only reason I can think of is that it is the "usual" nascar bashers and they jump on any opportunity to take issue with anything Nascar does.

By it's past practices NASCAR has invited the bashers to have free rein in their opinions. Anyone with a functioning brain and some common sense who continues to defend Jeremy needs a smack upside the head with a clue stick. Jeremy is a junkie and a very stupid one at that. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a freakin' duck.

[PA Rick]

By it's past practices NASCAR has invited the bashers to have free rein in their opinions. Anyone with a functioning brain and some common sense who continues to defend Jeremy needs a smack upside the head with a clue stick. Jeremy is a junkie and a very stupid one at that. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a freakin' duck.

First of all I said I "think" jeremy was on meth. But why has NASCAR not followed correct procedures and proved it? It's not my opinion the tests were flawed. The tests were flawed. Had this been the police conducting the test, it would have been thrown out of court. Why did the judge set aside his first suspension? And why did NASCAR allow Jeremy to drive after the first test came back positive? If it smells fishy it's not always a fish.

[Lee Roy]

Why did the judge set aside his first suspension?

There is the little issue of "innocent until proven guilty". It's kind of an underpinning of our legal system.

NASCAR did not conduct the tests. They were done by an outside company.

[PA Rick]

There is the little issue of "innocent until proven guilty". It's kind of an underpinning of our legal system.

NASCAR did not conduct the tests. They were done by an outside company.

So Mayfield is not guilty? I "THINK" he is but until a test is conducted by grownups we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
NASCAR contracted the company that conducted the tests. When the stories refer to "independent tests" they are by other testing agencies, not those chosen by NASCAR.
Policies and procedures.

[Lee Roy]

So Mayfield is not guilty?

Try reading again, I said no such thing.

You asked why the judge set aside the suspension in the hearing. That hearing was not the Trial, it was just a preliminary hearing, so therefore, Mayfield had not been "proven" to have done anything wrong in a court of law at that time.

[PA Rick]

Try reading again, I said no such thing.

You asked why the judge set aside the suspension in the hearing. That hearing was not the Trial, it was just a preliminary hearing, so therefore, Mayfield had not been "proven" to have done anything wrong in a court of law at that time.
No, it was a temporary injunction.
some quotes:

" U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen concluded the "likelihood of a false positive in this case is quite substantial." "
and
" (Mayfield lawyer) Diehl argued that federal guidelines allow an individual a 72-hour window to have an independent lab analyze a sealed backup sample. He said that when Aegis tested the backup "B" sample two days after the "A" sample came back positive, Mayfield lost any opportunity to challenge the results because the seal had been broken on the second sample.

NASCAR lawyer Paul Hendrick countered that argument, saying the governing body is a private company that does not need to follow the federal guidelines."
I don't even like Jeremy but give him a fair shake THEN suspend him.

[Chaparral66]

See, this is why I keep saying we need to wait for the case to go to court, where hopefully we can wade through this stuff efficiently. I was prepared to defend Mayfield after this stuff got started, but as many of you have noted, his behavior has only brought more suspicion on him. Still, speculating on observed behavior, arguing over sealed and unsealed samples, and basing judgement on all of that to me is going nowhere. It's not been proven, yet. Has Mayfield exhibited suspcious behavior which has made his case more difficult? Certainly. Has NASCAR help its own case by acting typically arrogant and allowing for sloppy procedures by an independent company? It would seem so. The only way to get to the truth is to take this to court, as quickly as possible. I guess I'm just getting tired of all the speculation and want to see the deal happen in court. Sort of like comparing...well, you know...with a night with Beyonce Knowles.

[Mark in Oshawa]

We all want to see this mess in court.

Here is the scoop tho. NASCAR's only real error here was allowing the second sample of that first test to be done by AEGIS. That still doesn't mean it is invalid, just that it can be questioned by Mayfield's attorney's in court. Still doesn't prove Mayfield's innocence. It could be valid and likely is. That is why NASCAR I am sure was so quick to go for a second sample after the injuction. The fact Mayfield took 7 hours to comply ( a violation in itself), and the games that have gone on with it says Mayfield isn't helping his cause at all. What is more, the second sample was a "witnessed" test, unlike the tests Mayfield keeps claiming he is passing. The second sample from that second test is SEALED and it is the smoking gun that will do in Jeremy. NASCAR didn't allow AEGIS to mess this up and they will get him.

I would defend Jeremy if there was evidence of a conspiracy anywhere but in his drug addled mind, but there is WAY too much that doesn't add up on Jeremy's part for anyone sane to not conclude he is guilty. He still will have that day in court, and in theory he can throw doubt around enough maybe a judge will buy it. I doubt it. NASCAR says they have affadavits from people besides the Step Mother stating they know of Mayfield's drug use. THey all cant be nuts as the Step mom was accused of being.

Nope...we need a trial, but I think until then Mayfield not racing is the right call. NASCAR has safety standards and a right to police its series. They are a private operation and reserve the right to restrict access to the track. That judge putting the injunction in telling NASCAR they HAD to allow Mayfield on track was a bit of joke IMO. This isn't access to the public library or the city hall we are talking about, it is being allowed to run 190mph at Daytona....

[Sparky1329]

The trial isn't on schedule until Sept, 2010 and Mayfield sold his team. Nobody will hire him and the court said he can't race in NASCAR. In the meantime he has to deal with a lawsuit filed by a supplier for his race team and another one filed by his stepmother. He has finally shut up and stopped digging himself into a deeper hole. By the time this thing is settled people will be asking themselves, "Jeremy who?". He's pretty much over.

[muggle not]

The trial isn't on schedule until Sept, 2010 and Mayfield sold his team. Nobody will hire him and the court said he can't race in NASCAR. In the meantime he has to deal with a lawsuit filed by a supplier for his race team and another one filed by his stepmother. He has finally shut up and stopped digging himself into a deeper hole. By the time this thing is settled people will be asking themselves, "Jeremy who?". He's pretty much over.
And he only has himself to blame. He screwed up continually and lost what could have been a career in Nascar.

[Sparky1329]

And he only has himself to blame. He screwed up continually and lost what could have been a career in Nascar.

As Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid.".

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Final_brief_filed_in_original_Jeremy_Mayfield_inju nction_case_in_US_District_Court.html

[Chaparral66]

This will stretch and stretch and stretch...

[Jonesi]

This will stretch and stretch and stretch...

For at least a year or more. Mayfield's lawyer gets to appeal the reinstatement of his suspension in Oct. Then they go into the discovery phase and if he as good as he's suppose to be, he'll go through every inspection, every certification, every false positive Aegis Labs has ever had.

[Mark in Oshawa]

For at least a year or more. Mayfield's lawyer gets to appeal the reinstatement of his suspension in Oct. Then they go into the discovery phase and if he as good as he's suppose to be, he'll go through every inspection, every certification, every false positive Aegis Labs has ever had.

He will do what all lawyers do, try to make the case so confusing that people wont know what to think. That is his job. I just hope the judges are not fooled and the tests say what everyone is pretty dang sure we all know. That Jeremy, despite his physical appearance appears to use meth.

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/US_District_Court_judge_denies_NASCARs_request_to_ permanently_lift_injunction.html

[Roamy]

somebody shoot is asshole please!! Just what they need driving around at 200+ with a meth addict next to you.. They keep on with this crap and maybe one needs to start installing a gun rack in these cars.

[Chaparral66]

somebody shoot is asshole please!! Just what they need driving around at 200+ with a meth addict next to you.. They keep on with this crap and maybe one needs to start installing a gun rack in these cars.

Let the system play out. verybod has some dirty linen in this case an it should all be see by the public.

[Mark in Oshawa]

somebody shoot is asshole please!! Just what they need driving around at 200+ with a meth addict next to you.. They keep on with this crap and maybe one needs to start installing a gun rack in these cars.

Fousto, your humble republic was founded on rule of law. Gotta let the courts do their thing. We know he is a jerk, he has proven THAT, just need the courts to prove NASCAR right....

[Chaparral66]

[quote="Mark in Oshawa"]Fousto, your humble republic was founded on rule of law. Gotta let the courts do their thing. We know he is a jerk, he has proven THAT, just need the courts to prove NASCAR right....[/QUOTE

Remember, Mark, it's not illegal to be a jerk. What we need is proof that he took the meth and then lied about it. We need to know how NASCAR does their testing. Plenty of law abiding ass****s out there who haven't broken the law.

[Roamy]

I have "Zero" or less tolerance for Meth in any society. Immediate death needs to be the penalty for Meth plain and simple. Using, Making or Selling - Takes the Long Sleep !!

[Lee Roy]

Remember, Mark, it's not illegal to be a jerk. What we need is proof that he took the meth and then lied about it. We need to know how NASCAR does their testing. Plenty of law abiding ass****s out there who haven't broken the law.

Yep. It's easy to accuse. Thank goodness we have a legal system where actual proof is needed to convict.

People love to cry "hang 'em", until it's their own interest that is accused. Then their tune changes in a hurry.

[Roamy]

Yes Lee Roy we are assuming guilt because he flunked the tests and had personal testamony to support the allegations. HOWEVER you are correct in bringing up the point innocent until proven guilty and I agree that thank God we live in a country that supports this. So with that being said lets send him to trial and then "Shoot" him!!!!

[Chaparral66]

Yep. It's easy to accuse. Thank goodness we have a legal system where actual proof is needed to convict.

People love to cry "hang 'em", until it's their own interest that is accused. Then their tune changes in a hurry.

Damn skippy, Lee.

[Jonesi]

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/cup/10/03/jmayfield.hires.new.attorney.ap/index.html?eref=/rss/news/headlines/cup

[Mark in Oshawa]

Gerago's in all those cases of celebs and the infamous mentioned in the article lost ALL of them. Jeremy had a great attorney well known to everyone in the Charlotte area. Guess he got smart or Mayfield decided to set fire to his career by bringing a bigger clown to the middle ring.....

What a maroon. Jeremy, this super attorney didn't get Peterson off, and he isn't going to get you back your name. You did yourself in pal....

[Chaparral66]

Gerago's in all those cases of celebs and the infamous mentioned in the article lost ALL of them. Jeremy had a great attorney well known to everyone in the Charlotte area. Guess he got smart or Mayfield decided to set fire to his career by bringing a bigger clown to the middle ring.....

What a maroon. Jeremy, this super attorney didn't get Peterson off, and he isn't going to get you back your name. You did yourself in pal....

Sometimes high profile attorneys like Geragos need a challenge. Mayfield did do himself in, but half the fun is seeing him try to dig himself out. NASCAR is not a total boy scout in this so it will also be interesting to have a better insight on how NASCAR does things and be put under some long overdue scrutiny. Give this time, Mark, the truth will come out.

[Steve2009]

Without getting into all the legal, ethical, and philosophical reasons why using meth in a NASCAR event is so utterly wrong. The mere fact that it is known to cause sudden cardiac arrest is reason enough to ban a guy for life from driving in a group of 48 hot rods at speeds in excess of 180mph!

[Jonesi]

Judge denies NASCAR request for rebuke of former Mayfield attorney:
http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Judge_denies_NASCAR_request_for_rebuke_of_former_J eremy_Mayfield_attorney.html

[Mark in Oshawa]

Sometimes high profile attorneys like Geragos need a challenge. Mayfield did do himself in, but half the fun is seeing him try to dig himself out. NASCAR is not a total boy scout in this so it will also be interesting to have a better insight on how NASCAR does things and be put under some long overdue scrutiny. Give this time, Mark, the truth will come out.

Hey..I know why Geragos took the job. He likes the publicity and he is into face time with the media. I am still trying to figure out how dumb Jeremy must be. His lawyer he had working for him was a heavy hitter in Charlotte and is an attorney for Bruton Smith. This guy was a good lawyer, and Jeremy dumped him for an ambulance chaser with a nose for getting his nose on TV.

[Sparky1329]

Jeremy has never been known to have a lot going for him in the smarts department. He seems determined to turn this mess into a real sideshow and, so far, he's doing a fine job. Even if he wins he still loses because he will never race in NASCAR again. NASCAR has the resources to drag this thing out for so many years Jeremy will be too old to race when it wraps up.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jeremy has never been known to have a lot going for him in the smarts department. He seems determined to turn this mess into a real sideshow and, so far, he's doing a fine job. Even if he wins he still loses because he will never race in NASCAR again. NASCAR has the resources to drag this thing out for so many years Jeremy will be too old to race when it wraps up.

They say one of the effects of Meth is you have a mercurial complex develop and a sense of invincability. Gee...this sorta looks that way eh?

[Sparky1329]

They say one of the effects of Meth is you have a mercurial complex develop and a sense of invincability. Gee...this sorta looks that way eh?

From where I sit it does. Delusions of grandeur might be the appropriate buzz-phrase.

[Roamy]

Geragos is a POS every since he lost the big Cal case he is just a bleeder after the deer has been runover.

[Sparky1329]

Who is this new attorney in the article? Jeremy just can't stand to be out of the spotlight.


http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/unrestricted/entry/view/39167/mayfield_filing_indicates_he_wants_to_drop_request _for_injunction


"The district court has indicated its inclination to vacate its previous order in light of a change in the preliminary injunction standard, which [Mayfield] would not oppose," Mayfield's new attorney, Dan Marino, wrote in a filing Wednesday. "The subject matter of this appeal is, essentially, moot.

"Since Plaintiffs-Appellees [Mayfield] no longer oppose the lifting of the preliminary injunction, briefing and consideration of all of the issues raised in [the appeal] would be merely an academic exercise."

Having just joined the case two weeks ago, Marino also asked for more time to file a response to NASCAR's appeal, which NASCAR wants to continue despite Mayfield's request.

"It sounds like they are scrambling and playing catch-up," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said. "We would have gladly agreed to an extension if they asked us, but they didn't. There are very important issues that remain connected to the appeal. We have a court date set for Dec. 1 and intend to keep it".

[Chaparral66]

Looks like Mayfield is going to be on ESPN's Outside The Lines on Sunday. This should make for some interesting television, if for nothing else the potential length of Mayfield's nose.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Looks like Mayfield is going to be on ESPN's Outside The Lines on Sunday. This should make for some interesting television, if for nothing else the potential length of Mayfield's nose.\

I wish I could get that program on our TSN up here, but we only get a handful of ESPN programming. THis one should be fun. Jeremy will be up there tossing out one bomb after another about how hard done by he is, ignoring the fact the more he spouts off, the more he will bury his sorry behind in the courts.

[Sparky1329]

I wonder if his attorney knows about this appearance.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I wonder if his attorney knows about this appearance.

He would have to I would think. Either that or Geragos and/or Jeremy are all nuts. Not sure where I would start on that one.

Mayfield is so busy incriminating and confusing himself that at this point, putting him on TV would be a mistake IMO but Geragos hasn't won a major case yet, so I guess he figures to be in this for the publicity. I don't get what is going on here AT all..

[Sparky1329]

Jeremy isn't exactly the best spokesperson for himself. That aside I see no benefit to his case from his going on the record in an in-person interview on TV. Oh well......

[Mark in Oshawa]

Sparky he is an excellent spokesperson for himself. The more he talks, the deeper the hole he digs. I think until he hits rock bottom, he wont admit he has a problem and seek help.

[Sparky1329]

Sparky he is an excellent spokesperson for himself. The more he talks, the deeper the hole he digs. I think until he hits rock bottom, he wont admit he has a problem and seek help.

I think he's an excellent spokesperson for NASCAR's side in the lawsuit.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Mayfield on ESPN's Outside the Lines: Suspended NASCAR driver Jeremy Mayfield tells reporter Steve Delsohn (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4588344), in Mayfield's first one-on-one nationally televised interview, that NASCAR is using his situation to scare the sport's marquee drivers who he says use drugs, such as marijuana and cocaine. The interview airs on Outside the Lines on Sunday, Oct. 25, at 9:00am/et on ESPN.
Some quotes from Outside the Lines: "I wish I could sit here and say 'No, it's not over,' but realistically, I would have to have a sponsor, or own my own team, or find a ride, and all those are virtually impossible with the baggage that comes along with me now." -- Jeremy Mayfield, on whether his NASCAR career is over.
"No, they could never be confused for methamphetamine in a confirmation." -- Dr. Anthony Butch, director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, which performs drug testing for U.S. Olympic athletes, the NFL and the NCAA, on whether a combination of Adderall and Claritin-D could cause a positive test for methamphetamine.
"You use me as an example to let everybody know who may have already tested positive for marijuana, cocaine or whatever, that they haven't got anybody for, and it puts the fear of God in everybody in the whole sport. I was a good example, a good pawn who wasn't going to cost them any money at all. I was worth more to them as a failed drug test then I am as a driver, owner for my own team."  Jeremy Mayfield.(ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4588344))10-23-2009)


The man is a prize nut job if he thinks the above is true.

[Lee Roy]

Mayfield on ESPN's Outside the Lines:
"You use me as an example to let everybody know who may have already tested positive for marijuana, cocaine or whatever, that they haven't got anybody for, and it puts the fear of God in everybody in the whole sport.

Riiiiiggghhhhhttttttt. You can just tell that the current driver line-up in Sprint Cup is rife with druggies. :rolleyes:

[Lee Roy]

http://www.jayski.com

Just when Jeremy thought things couldn't get worse:



Mayfield attorney says he's owed money: Charlotte-based attorney Bill Diehl says suspended Sprint Cup driver Jeremy Mayfield hasn't paid him for services. Mayfield recently replaced Diehl and his firm with celebrity lawyer Mark Geragos. Diehl said the driver owes him "a lot" for defending him in his lawsuit against NASCAR. Mayfield brought suit against the governing body after being suspended indefinitely for violating NASCAR's substance abuse policy. Court documents have since revealed he tested positive for methamphetamines. Diehl wished Mayfield luck with his case, but said, "I'm going to get paid." Diehl, whose fee is $1,000 per hour, said he doesn't believe Mayfield is as financially strapped as has been reported. He said his firm has asked to be paid and will seek legal action if this doesn't happen. Diehl would not say how much Mayfield owes him, but said, "We worked very hard."(ESPN.com)(11-2-2009)

[Mark in Oshawa]

He is a nut job, and now he owes Diehl. Diehl was doing a good job when he could keep a lid on Mayfield. I suspect Mayfield dumped him because he didn't like Diehl's advice. Talking to the media and whining how he is being persecuted is just silly, but that is the tale of a Meth addict. It is never their fault....

[Sparky1329]

Just as I thought. Diehl probably told him to pay up or get lost. Way to go Jeremy!

[Jonesi]

There's always much more to the story than what's made public. Most cases like this are done on contingency basis, if the lawyer doesn't win they don't get paid.
What most likely happened is Nascar made a "go away" offer, which would have paid Diehl, given Mayfield some money, but didn't vindicate him or get him back on the track.

[Sparky1329]

There's always much more to the story than what's made public. Most cases like this are done on contingency basis, if the lawyer doesn't win they don't get paid.
What most likely happened is Nascar made a "go away" offer, which would have paid Diehl, given Mayfield some money, but didn't vindicate him or get him back on the track.

The following quoted comment doesn't sound like it came from a man who was working on a contingency basis.


Diehl wished Mayfield luck with his case, but said, "I'm going to get paid." Diehl, whose fee is $1,000 per hour, said he doesn't believe Mayfield is as financially strapped as has been reported. He said his firm has asked to be paid and will seek legal action if this doesn't happen. Diehl would not say how much Mayfield owes him, but said, "We worked very hard."(ESPN.com0

[Jonesi]

The following quoted comment doesn't sound like it came from a man who was working on a contingency basis.

Yeah, that's what happens when you fire a lawyer on contingency.

[Jonesi]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-mayfieldsuspension&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Sparky1329]

Ha! What a freak show.

[muggle not]

LOL, I read that in the paper this morning. :D

[Mark in Oshawa]

Me thinks Jeremy ought to quit using the Meth, and start making and selling the stuff, he needs the dough. Good lord I could buy a very nice house for what he owes Diehl. Hope Gearagos is doing this for the publicity, because he wont be ahead of the game with what Jeremy will owe him.

I believe one of the charateristics of a meth head is someone who never admits fault, and never admits they are in trouble even when it is plain they are. If this isnt evidence that the drug test was right, nothing else will add to it.

[Jonesi]

Me thinks Jeremy ought to quit using the Meth, and start making and selling the stuff, he needs the dough. Good lord I could buy a very nice house for what he owes Diehl. Hope Gearagos is doing this for the publicity, because he wont be ahead of the game with what Jeremy will owe him.

I believe one of the charateristics of a meth head is someone who never admits fault, and never admits they are in trouble even when it is plain they are. If this isnt evidence that the drug test was right, nothing else will add to it.

Also people who are innocent "never admits fault, If this isnt evidence that the drug test was wrong, nothing else will add to it."

[Mark in Oshawa]

Also people who are innocent "never admits fault, If this isnt evidence that the drug test was wrong, nothing else will add to it."

If Jeremy is INNOCENT, that is by itself not damning. My feeling tho is the crazy and irrational behaviour that comes with this proclaimation of innocence that is giving Jeremy away as being guilty. Showing up at Charlotte as a spectator before the All Star race and acting like he was surprised the media would come out to where he was watching in the infield was bizarre, and he KNEW NASCAR didn't want him on the grounds and could ban him under the positive test. People wrongfully charged don't create a circus right from the word go, and stiff their really good lawyer for an ambulance chaser. Not to mention pick fights with a white trash mother-in-law. The circus that is Jeremy Mayfield has methhead written all over it....

[Jonesi]

More Updates
Mayfield says NASCAR’s conduct was intentional and reckless: Attorneys for suspended driver Jeremy Mayfield say NASCAR is trying to ignore issues raised by him and is attempting to distort Mayfield's claims in an effort to avoid responsibility for its actions. Mayfield's legal team filed the response late Monday to NASCAR's request that U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen rule in favor of the sanctioning body based on the pleadings already held and without the continuation of an investigation by the attorneys and possibly a trial. Mayfield's filing argues that he has shown enough evidence to bring these claims:
• In response to NASCAR's assertion that he has waived his right to sue because of waivers that are part of the NASCAR-driver agreement, Mayfield stated that those releases don't hold up because this is a case where NASCAR was grossly negligent in conducting its drug-testing policy.
• In its defamation claim, Mayfield disputed the NASCAR assertion that sanctioning body Chairman Brian France had no reason to doubt the test results so his comments when suspending Mayfield cannot be considered defamation. Mayfield alleges that France and Black should have known that the combination of Adderall and Claritin-D could result in a false positive for methamphetamine use.
• NASCAR stated in its request that Mayfield is not an employee but an independent contractor and therefore cannot be considered to having been discriminated against for having ADHD. Mayfield stated in the filing Monday that he can be considered an employee in this situation because NASCAR retained the right to control and detail his activities on the race track, had promotional rights to his name, owned the broadcast rights, required where logos were placed and specified media obligations.
• Addressing the charge of unfair and deceptive trade practices, Mayfield argued the fact that there is no definitive list of drugs banned by NASCAR as among the reasons its policies are unfair.
Both sides get to file responses one more time before the judge considers the motion to dismiss Mayfield's case.(SceneDaily (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfield_filing_alleges_NASCARs_conduct_was _intentional_and_reckless.html))(12-8-2009)
NASCAR-Mayfield case to continue: A U.S. District Court judge has turned down NASCAR’s request to halt the pre-trial discovery phase in a lawsuit brought against the sanctioning body by suspended driver Jeremy Mayfield. NASCAR had asked for the suspension of the investigative phase of the case until a judge can rule on a NASCAR motion for a judgment based on pleadings already submitted. The decision, issued Monday by U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen, means that depositions and production of documents will not be delayed because of the NASCAR request. The judge still needs to rule on the motion for judgment itself. In another ruling issued Monday, the judge set the date for a deposition of NASCAR Chairman Brian France for Jan. 19. The judge also ruled as moot requests by NASCAR and France’s ex-wife Megan France, that they not be forced to produce documents under seal in litigation between her and Brian because Mayfield’s attorneys indicated they would not seek those documents. He did grant a motion stipulating that in Megan France’s deposition, she cannot be asked about the documents in that lawsuit or about the divorce agreement (SceneDaily). See past news on the lawsuitre and suspension on the #41 Team News and Links page (http://jayski.com/teams/41.htm) and Drug Policy page (http://jayski.com/teams/drug-policy.htm).(12-8-2009)

[Mark in Oshawa]

Man...Mayfield is truly out to lunch.

[beachgirl]

Man...Mayfield is truly out to lunch.

Hmmm - more like off this planet.

[Chaparral66]

No wonder TV soap operas are dying. This real life stuff is way more interesing. I continue to await the trial so we can see everyone's meat on the table.

[Jonesi]

http://www.thatsracin.com/140/story/24066.html

[Chaparral66]

And the beat goes on...

[Chaparral66]

Man...Mayfield is truly out to lunch.

Mark...did you ever see that ESPN interview with Mayfield? I would think it's on YouTube by now...

[Mark in Oshawa]

Mark...did you ever see that ESPN interview with Mayfield? I would think it's on YouTube by now...

I haven't seen it but I heard clips of it on NASCAR radio on the Sirius. It is clear to me he isn't seeing reality....

[EuroRaceFan]

I think this is truly amazing. You would think someone who raced for so long would be fairly rational.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I think this is truly amazing. You would think someone who raced for so long would be fairly rational.

If your mind is altered by a meth addiction, you think you are rational. It is an effect of the drug. I am sure when Jeremy Mayfield left Owensboro KY for the big time he was a good guy and rational. I met him when he drove for Kranefuss Haas and he was a good guy then....

The one who called out Ray Evernham for his relationship with Erin and blamed THAT for his failings on the track was the methhead...

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/As_lawsuit_against_NASCAR_continues_Jeremy_Mayfiel d_says_hes_just_been_trying_to_survive.html

[beachgirl]

I wonder if Daniel Marino is an associate in the Mark Geragos (sp?) law firm, or Jeremy's got himself yet ANOTHER lawyer in the neverending saga of "Jeremy's Race Against Reality"?

[Mark in Oshawa]

Simply amazing, Jones I read your link there and Jeremy has been successful in dragging Brian France into the mud with him. It is truly shameful....

[Chaparral66]

Simply amazing, Jones I read your link there and Jeremy has been successful in dragging Brian France into the mud with him. It is truly shameful....

Well, what else is Mayfield going to do? If he can prove anything Brian did, that would take away from the case NASCAR has against him. As long as it's within the rules, anything goes in court. There are no sacred cows.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Well, what else is Mayfield going to do? If he can prove anything Brian did, that would take away from the case NASCAR has against him. As long as it's within the rules, anything goes in court. There are no sacred cows.

It is a vindictive temper tantrum. Jeremy thinks everyone else is on drugs, and the whole thing is slagging Brian France wont prove his not being guilty of doing meth. His whole defense is throw lots of mud around so everyone doesn't pay too much time thinking about the evidence which is damning. To think, he got rid of a lawyer who Bruton Smith would hire to have this defence with Geragos..

[Jonesi]

It is a vindictive temper tantrum. Jeremy thinks everyone else is on drugs, and the whole thing is slagging Brian France wont prove his not being guilty of doing meth. His whole defense is throw lots of mud around so everyone doesn't pay too much time thinking about the evidence which is damning. To think, he got rid of a lawyer who Bruton Smith would hire to have this defence with Geragos..

If the records of Brian France's divorce case show he was a resident of SC, and nothing has changed since then; then claiming he's a resident of FL (for the purpose of getting the case moved to Federal court) could amount to a perjury charge against him. The case could be sent back to SC court. The judge could issue a judgment requiring Nascar to pay for Mayfield's legal bills for the six months this delaying tactic has denied Mayfield justice.

[Mark in Oshawa]

If the records of Brian France's divorce case show he was a resident of SC, and nothing has changed since then; then claiming he's a resident of FL (for the purpose of getting the case moved to Federal court) could amount to a perjury charge against him. The case could be sent back to SC court. The judge could issue a judgment requiring Nascar to pay for Mayfield's legal bills for the six months this delaying tactic has denied Mayfield justice.

Jonesi, what Brian's divorce has to do with Mayfield's drug use or non-drug use is apples and oranges. The guy who dragged France into this was Mayfield, so for him to be now crying that France's legal residence is dragging the trial out is nonsense. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. Mayfield is spending more time trying to discredit Brian France than proving that he isn't a drug addict. So far he has tested positive twice, and the second test was a witnessed test ( they saw him provide the sample ). The lab is a respected lab and all protocols used were just fine for other clients of the lab.

This is all just a big smoke screen designed to muddy the water and attack France in revenge I guess.

[Jonesi]

I don't think it's a smoke screen and there are some legitimate issues involved. We'll know on Jan 19 when Brian France has to give a deposition.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I don't think it's a smoke screen and there are some legitimate issues involved. We'll know on Jan 19 when Brian France has to give a deposition.

Maybe I am missing something. What does Brian France's divorce or place of residence have to do with Mayfield testing positive for drugs? ZERO. NADA, NOTHING.

IF Mayfield wants to call into question the protocols or testing procedures, I get that. If he wants to call into question the competancy of the doctors, I understand that. THAT makes sense. Dragging Brian France's divorce into this means you are just hoping to drag him through the mud with you....

[Jonesi]

Maybe I am missing something. What does Brian France's divorce or place of residence have to do with Mayfield testing positive for drugs? ZERO. NADA, NOTHING.

IF Mayfield wants to call into question the protocols or testing procedures, I get that. If he wants to call into question the competancy of the doctors, I understand that. THAT makes sense. Dragging Brian France's divorce into this means you are just hoping to drag him through the mud with you....

It does have a bearing! Brian France not living in SC was the reason given by Nascar lawyers for pulling the case out of SC court and putting it in Federal court where they knew it wouldn't go to trail for at least a year.

Did you even read the last quote from the Federal judge when he set the Jan 19 date? he said if BF lived in SC then it voided the motion and he might be forced to send it back.


"CHARLOTTE – U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen says the battle between Jeremy Mayfield and NASCAR over access to the suspended driver’s medical records will have to wait until he can resolve jurisdictional issues, but in the meantime, Mayfield says life remains “as good as it can be.”
During a 15-minute court hearing Thursday, Mullen said he expects NASCAR Chairman Brian France will have to testify before him over whether his residence for jurisdictional purposes is North Carolina or Florida. If Mullen determines that France is a resident of North Carolina, he could rule that North Carolina Superior Court has jurisdiction and not federal court.
“Until that’s resolved, anything the court does is subject to review later if the court doesn’t have jurisdiction,” Mullen said during the hearing."

[Mark in Oshawa]

It does have a bearing! Brian France not living in SC was the reason given by Nascar lawyers for pulling the case out of SC court and putting it in Federal court where they knew it wouldn't go to trail for at least a year.

Did you even read the last quote from the Federal judge when he set the Jan 19 date? he said if BF lived in SC then it voided the motion and he might be forced to send it back.


"CHARLOTTE – U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen says the battle between Jeremy Mayfield and NASCAR over access to the suspended driver’s medical records will have to wait until he can resolve jurisdictional issues, but in the meantime, Mayfield says life remains “as good as it can be.”
During a 15-minute court hearing Thursday, Mullen said he expects NASCAR Chairman Brian France will have to testify before him over whether his residence for jurisdictional purposes is North Carolina or Florida. If Mullen determines that France is a resident of North Carolina, he could rule that North Carolina Superior Court has jurisdiction and not federal court.
“Until that’s resolved, anything the court does is subject to review later if the court doesn’t have jurisdiction,” Mullen said during the hearing."

Great, But again, who dragged Brian France into this testimony business? Who subpoenaed Brian? I can tell you who: Jeremy and his defence team. Brian didn't test Mayfield, Brian wasn't in the room when Mayfield provided the sample, and while he is head of NASCAR, his policy people are the ones who designed the drug testing procedures.

While I get where you are going on the jurisdictional considerations and France obviously has delayed this process with his indeteriminate place of residence, in the end, I don't see this changing anything but when the trial takes place. I am going to grant you that Brian being dragged into this is dragging it out, but who put Him in there? I think Helton and the staff who run the series on a day to day basis are the people who should be testifying.

This is as silly as someone suing Ford because they had a bad car, and it all being held up because the CEO wasn't available. People sue Ford every day but I suspect Alan Mulally isn't involved....

[Jonesi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4846484

[Mark in Oshawa]

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4846484

Good Article, but it the whole critcism of NASCAR for not publically listing the banned drugs is a red herring. No one in their right mind would advocate a driver passing positive for Crystal meth use should be driving a race car. Mayfield's attorney's are grasping at making NASCAR look bad but the whole issue still comes back to the lab using reputable methods for its testing, and the possiblity that the drug postive test could be easily explained. IN the first positive test, I thought there was reasonable doubt, but on the second positive test, protocols and all such issues were checked and double checked AND numerous experts have been on shows such as Sirius Speedway stating there is no over the counter med reaction that could explain the type of positive test that was shown in the Mayfield cases.

All we have is more spin from defense attorney's trying to muddy the water...

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/NASCAR_lists_more_than_100_banned_drugs_in_rule_bo ok.html

[ms0362]

Ridiculous the circus he headed up to deny all this. An addict and a loser.

[Jonesi]

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/02/04/jmayfield.lawsuit.update/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup

[Mark in Oshawa]

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/02/04/jmayfield.lawsuit.update/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup

Jonesi...again, where does this prove that Mayfield isn't a drug addict? Brian France didn't test positive, he just had a divorce and a re-marriage, but somehow this idiot lawyer Mayfield has is tossing mud around to try to confuse the issue. No jury with half a brain will get sucked in. The fact is Mayfield tested positive for Crystal Meth. TWICE.

[dunes]

I don't support the current topic nor defend any drugf use> All I can say is we sure came along way from "runnin shine".
Kick them ALL out untill proven guilty then burn them on the backstreach.
Theres no place in any racing for a person or people to even be suspected of these allegations.

[PA Rick]

I don't support the current topic nor defend any drugf use> All I can say is we sure came along way from "runnin shine".
Kick them ALL out untill proven guilty then burn them on the backstreach.
Theres no place in any racing for a person or people to even be suspected of these allegations.

You mean the allegations that they were runnin shine?

[dunes]

NASCAR was formed from rumrunners and shiners.
Before there was orginized racing there was the runners racing on weekends.
I'd name names but then I'd have to dig a hole and hide.

[Mark in Oshawa]

NASCAR was formed from rumrunners and shiners.
Before there was orginized racing there was the runners racing on weekends.
I'd name names but then I'd have to dig a hole and hide.

Horrors...moonshiners.....

The thing is, Bill France would have kicked out anyone showing up drunk or under the influence if he caught him. He may not have a bit in the old days, but this is a huge business now, and guys are doing 190mph out there or better. The last thing they need is a methhead...

[dunes]

As in my earlier statement I say the same thing:in this day and age even so much as A beer could cause so much disorientation it would harm not only the sport but the people who come to endorse it. I truly believe the equiptment that is being used as early as the 60's would need only a TRUE professional.clean,sober night in and night out COMPLELY dedicated to the rules and laws of both physics and NASCAR.

[71Fan]

As a drug addict who got cleaned up over 16 years ago, I can only hope that the allegations are not true, and that if they are that Jeremy can somehow overcome his addiction and move on with his life in a positive and productive manner.

If the results were tampered with, may God have mercy on all those who have condemmed him. If they weren't tampered with, may God have mercy on Jeremy.

[Mark in Oshawa]

As a drug addict who got cleaned up over 16 years ago, I can only hope that the allegations are not true, and that if they are that Jeremy can somehow overcome his addiction and move on with his life in a positive and productive manner.

If the results were tampered with, may God have mercy on all those who have condemmed him. If they weren't tampered with, may God have mercy on Jeremy.

Very mature way of looking at it. The problem I have with the Mayfield defenders is they don't grasp the gravity of what is happening. If the drug lab truly either tampered with the samples, or is on the take, it is the END of NASCAR as we know it, and for what purpose? Brian France isn't going to take that risk with the family trust. The motives don't add up.

If Mayfield thinks he is truly innocent, then it is his right to fight for reinstatement, but in my mind, his defense so far has been to throw around baseless accusations and play games with the press. He has gone through 2 or 3 legal teams now, and owes money to the ones he doens't like. He has handled this horribly (most lawyers demand you don't talk to the press, Mayfield ignored THAT as much as he could) and he has gotten everyone off on a tangent on where Brian France lives for some legal chicanery that does NOTHING to prove his innocence.

In short, Mayfield has shown all the classic signs of a meth addict, the paranoia, the superiority complex, the enhanced sense of self. HE doesn't LOOK one, and that is part of the problem. Meth Addicts with their faces caved in are the norm and the stereotype but some don't show these traits. What is more, whoever provided those samples WAS taking meth. There has been a number of experts on various media outlets who talked about the impossiblity of this being an "false" positive due to Clairtin. What is more, the second positive test was a "witnessed" test with the vials sealed at his house after a 11 cat and mouse game. Mayfield is in my mind either the greatest victim in the history of drug testing OR he is guilty. Considering what NASCAR or the Drug lab would have to lose if they were screwing him over, then you can figure out that the odds of this being a conspiracy just are astronomical. IN the end.....it is what it is.

I hope he gets treatment and gets off the stuff, but he woudln't be the first rich celeb type to use Meth, read Andre Agassi's accounts of using it, and realize he never once looked like a Meth head and doesn't now, to know it CAN happen...

[71Fan]

oh boy do I know it can happen.

And yea, he has definately blown his credibillity. Rumor has it that Tim Richmond was framed by NASCAR for drug use also, which was an attempt to cover up the truth about his medical condition and the damage it could do to NASCAR so this is not something that I would say NASCAR would not do to protect itself in some manner or another.

Bummer is that drug addiction is far more widespread in our nation than most people understand. Mother's Little Helper is commonplace, and the number of children being addicted to various drugs via our medical community is outlandish. Last I heard, 1 in 3 Americans take at least one medication per day, and 1 in 6 take two or more.

Shuckems, Heroin was marketed by Bayer Aspirin as a releif for menstral cramps....hence the name. And meth is present in all sorts of pain medication. The biggest drug dealers are not on our street corners, they are right behind the counter of your local pharmacy.

[Mark in Oshawa]

oh boy do I know it can happen.

And yea, he has definately blown his credibillity. Rumor has it that Tim Richmond was framed by NASCAR for drug use also, which was an attempt to cover up the truth about his medical condition and the damage it could do to NASCAR so this is not something that I would say NASCAR would not do to protect itself in some manner or another.

Bummer is that drug addiction is far more widespread in our nation than most people understand. Mother's Little Helper is commonplace, and the number of children being addicted to various drugs via our medical community is outlandish. Last I heard, 1 in 3 Americans take at least one medication per day, and 1 in 6 take two or more.

Shuckems, Heroin was marketed by Bayer Aspirin as a releif for menstral cramps....hence the name. And meth is present in all sorts of pain medication. The biggest drug dealers are not on our street corners, they are right behind the counter of your local pharmacy.

Prescription drugs are a problem for sure, but that isn't the issue here. The issue here is an accused drug user is trying to tear down NASCAR when they found him positive in not one, but two drug tests.

AS for Tim Richmond, that was a different era in NASCAR, and AIDS still had a huge stigma. The point is, Richmond hid his actual affliction but looked like he was on drugs and acted like it. He WAS in short almost begging for NASCAR to look closely at his life when he lived it on such a ragged edge and his appearance of being gaunt and weary made it worse.

NASCAR handled the Tim Richmond story in a bad way, but in a sense, so did Tim. This however is a far more enlightened NASCAR and a far more educated populace we are talking about. The point is NASCAR cannot afford to accuse someone of this and "Fix" the results. No conspiracy would ever be guarnteed to stay quiet, and the exposure would kill the sport.

Mayfield's story is sad, and one of denial, but it just is too much fantasy to believe there isnt' a fire behind all the smoke of his tests, and his behaviour has done nothing to indicate he is anything but out of his mind.

[71Fan]

and his behaviour has done nothing to indicate he is anything but out of his mind.

Sure can't diagree with that. He does exhibit some classic behavior.

[dunes]

Owning up to ones faults is the 1st step in recovery; of course that goes along with wanting to get yourself some help. Niether of these hes ready or willing to do.
heck it took Pete Rose 20 years to fes up to his.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Sure can't diagree with that. He does exhibit some classic behavior.

That is what sold me. When he showed up at Charlotte the week of the All Star race, he had tested positive on the Monday before, and he was told THEN he wasn't welcome at the track. He shows up in a motorhome and once the press discovers him spectating in the infield, he plays dumb to the rule, say's he had no idea. He did it so the media would find him and he tried right there to embarass NASCAR into tossing him out and making the spectacle before the press. Innocent men hold press confernces, hire a respectable lawyer (not the ambulance chaser publicity hound he has now) and go off the radar until he gets his day in court. The fact he dumped the lawyer who Bruton Smith used (how good a lawyer could Bruton afford? THE BEST) for the ambulance chaser Gerago's is more classic Methhead behaviour...

[Chaparral66]

That is what sold me. When he showed up at Charlotte the week of the All Star race, he had tested positive on the Monday before, and he was told THEN he wasn't welcome at the track. He shows up in a motorhome and once the press discovers him spectating in the infield, he plays dumb to the rule, say's he had no idea. He did it so the media would find him and he tried right there to embarass NASCAR into tossing him out and making the spectacle before the press. Innocent men hold press confernces, hire a respectable lawyer (not the ambulance chaser publicity hound he has now) and go off the radar until he gets his day in court. The fact he dumped the lawyer who Bruton Smith used (how good a lawyer could Bruton afford? THE BEST) for the ambulance chaser Gerago's is more classic Methhead behaviour...

I can't disagree that Mayfield has behaved really wierd. But NASCAR as I have constantly said has it's issues as well. They just came out with a banned drug list in their rule book for the first time ever, something the other sports leagues have done for years. Mayfield has the right to question NASCAR's methods and motives. NASCAR has the right to pursue a comprehensive drug policy to protect its particpants, staff, and fans, as long as they follow proper guidelines and common sense. They do not have the authority to act in an arbitrary and vindictive manner, which many have suspected -- and some have witnessed -- they have done over their history.
Who's right? I don't know, nobody does, no matter what the anecdotal evidence looks like. Only the court can decide that, and I want to see it all come out, the documents, the eye witness accounts, and expert testimony, and let the chips fall where they may. A case like this it way too complicated to decide before it gets its legal test.

[71Fan]

Sure they do.....the arbitrary thing.....It's their game and always has been. Any lawsuit challenging their right to do it their way will fail.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Sure they do.....the arbitrary thing.....It's their game and always has been. Any lawsuit challenging their right to do it their way will fail.

NASCAR doesn't have a monopoly on stock car racing, so no one can sue and imply that Mayfield is being persercuted unfairly. If he passed a drug test I am sure ARCA would let him race....

This argument that the drug policy is arbitrary and not public is another red herring. Here's why: NO ONE taking Meth would be legal to drive a race car ANYWHERE on this PLANET. Whether you get caught up in all the BS or not, the reality is NASCAR said Mayfield tested not once but twice for METH. Strip away all the stupidity about Brian France's divorce, and Ramsey Poston's PR statements on how this doesn't change the reality and yes, the reality is Mayfield cannot disprove how he tested not once, but TWICE for Meth. You guys have to quit following the smoke, and stay close the fire. Mayfield's whole defence WAS Clartin gave him the positive test and that there was some mistake. After the circumstances NASCAR had to go by to get that second test, and the fact it was a "witnessed" test following all the protocol issues that were brought up after the first test, he tested positive again with evidence in the sample of Mayfield's massive intake of water trying to flush the drugs from his system. Game...set... Match.....Mayfield's defense is now just trying to distract us...from THAT reality.

[slorydn1]

NASCAR doesn't have a monopoly on stock car racing, so no one can sue and imply that Mayfield is being persercuted unfairly. If he passed a drug test I am sure ARCA would let him race....

This argument that the drug policy is arbitrary and not public is another red herring. Here's why: NO ONE taking Meth would be legal to drive a race car ANYWHERE on this PLANET. Whether you get caught up in all the BS or not, the reality is NASCAR said Mayfield tested not once but twice for METH. Strip away all the stupidity about Brian France's divorce, and Ramsey Poston's PR statements on how this doesn't change the reality and yes, the reality is Mayfield cannot disprove how he tested not once, but TWICE for Meth. You guys have to quit following the smoke, and stay close the fire. Mayfield's whole defence WAS Clartin gave him the positive test and that there was some mistake. After the circumstances NASCAR had to go by to get that second test, and the fact it was a "witnessed" test following all the protocol issues that were brought up after the first test, he tested positive again with evidence in the sample of Mayfield's massive intake of water trying to flush the drugs from his system. Game...set... Match.....Mayfield's defense is now just trying to distract us...from THAT reality.

Amen, I couldn't agree more. I was floored after the first positive test, but knowing that there are possibilities, however slim, that there could have been some kind of mistake, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. When he was stupid enough to allow himself to be positive the second time :eek: that told me right there and then he has a problem; a problem so severe that he should NEVER be allowed back in a race car,ever.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Amen, I couldn't agree more. I was floored after the first positive test, but knowing that there are possibilities, however slim, that there could have been some kind of mistake, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. When he was stupid enough to allow himself to be positive the second time :eek: that told me right there and then he has a problem; a problem so severe that he should NEVER be allowed back in a race car,ever.

As long as you keep all of this in mind, you can see through all the BS Geragos is throwing around trying to confuse a possible Jury pool.

For Jeremy to play the games he did when NASCAR came for the second test (hot on the heels of his "reinstatement" he had to know the testers were coming) and still test positive shows you how stupid his behaviour is...

[slorydn1]

As long as you keep all of this in mind, you can see through all the BS Geragos is throwing around trying to confuse a possible Jury pool.

For Jeremy to play the games he did when NASCAR came for the second test (hot on the heels of his "reinstatement" he had to know the testers were coming) and still test positive shows you how stupid his behaviour is...

Oh don't worry,I have my infa-red goggles on, I can see through the smoke quite well, thank you very much :D

Look,I work in "the business". I see my deputies come back from court week after week pi***d off that they lost another open and shut case due to some kind of smoke and mirror trick (read that as Bull Sheet) by a defense attorney. Not too long ago one of them had lost a DWI case because the deputy had his dash camera on "too long" and followed the suspect for something like 6 miles before pulling him over; so therefore he must have "had it out" for the suspect, never mind that the stop was initiated after the suspect drove left of center on a 2 lane road almost striking another car head on, never mind that the suspect speeding 10mph over the limit, and never mind that his BAC was almost TWICE the legal limit (.08 in NC). NONE of that mattered to the jury not one little bit. Remember, that was a criminal case where the standard is "reasonable doubt" and there was NO reasonable doubt in the case above to allow the suspect above to walk, BUT all the defense attorney had to do was plant the seed in one simpleton's mind that "po-po" was out to get his client and its all over but the crying (as we say around here).

Jeremey Methfield's case is a civil case which has a much lower standard of "preponderance of the evidence" and Geragos' smoke and mirrors tricks usually work there even better,still. :beer:

[Mark in Oshawa]

Oh don't worry,I have my infa-red goggles on, I can see through the smoke quite well, thank you very much :D

Look,I work in "the business". I see my deputies come back from court week after week pi***d off that they lost another open and shut case due to some kind of smoke and mirror trick (read that as Bull Sheet) by a defense attorney. Not too long ago one of them had lost a DWI case because the deputy had his dash camera on "too long" and followed the suspect for something like 6 miles before pulling him over; so therefore he must have "had it out" for the suspect, never mind that the stop was initiated after the suspect drove left of center on a 2 lane road almost striking another car head on, never mind that the suspect speeding 10mph over the limit, and never mind that his BAC was almost TWICE the legal limit (.08 in NC). NONE of that mattered to the jury not one little bit. Remember, that was a criminal case where the standard is "reasonable doubt" and there was NO reasonable doubt in the case above to allow the suspect above to walk, BUT all the defense attorney had to do was plant the seed in one simpleton's mind that "po-po" was out to get his client and its all over but the crying (as we say around here).

Jeremey Methfield's case is a civil case which has a much lower standard of "preponderance of the evidence" and Geragos' smoke and mirrors tricks usually work there even better,still. :beer:

THAT story you have told is just too typical....and wrong. Some things don't need to be explained....they are obvious but it is amazing me how stupid some juries are....

[Sparky1329]

THAT story you have told is just too typical....and wrong. Some things don't need to be explained....they are obvious but it is amazing me how stupid some juries are....

That's because juries are chosen from the general tax-paying public. The mind-numbing stupidity that permeates the populace as a whole is distressing.

[Mark in Oshawa]

That's because juries are chosen from the general tax-paying public. The mind-numbing stupidity that permeates the populace as a whole is distressing.

It is sad...because lawyers tossing mud around hoping to confuse the jury on a case like this should fail. Nothing I have read has given me one scintilla of doubt in Mayfield's guilt. If there was a valid point, I missed it.....

[Jonesi]

http://www.laidbackracing.com/Articles2010/MM13.html

[Mark in Oshawa]

http://www.laidbackracing.com/Articles2010/MM13.html

The whole key statement made in all of this was: " While this was going on, Ramsey Poston passed a note to one of the TV reporters asking “isn’t this supposed to be about a failed drug test?” He would also ask this on camera after the hearing. This hearing was to determine where the actual lawsuit brought by Mayfield should be heard, either in Federal or State Court."

IN short....much ado about where the trial is and none of this is an attempt by Geragos to actually point to Mayfield's innocence.

[Sparky1329]

Exactly. When you have no defense your only hope is to muddy the waters.

[Jonesi]

http://www.laidbackracing.com/Articles2010/MM14.html

[Jonesi]

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/02/mayfields-attorney-fees-grow-files-motion-move-case-and-nascar-pay-his-attorney-fees

[e2mtt]

That's because juries are chosen from the general tax-paying public. The mind-numbing stupidity that permeates the populace as a whole is distressing.

Are you trying to say that most people are below average? That doesn't add up. :-) I've gotten called to jury duty before, sat through the selection process, etc. The lawyers work very hard to seat only Un-opinionated, uninformed, & gullible people on the jury.

[beachbum]

Ok, I have a question for the "internet lawyers" here. If the drug test was requested by NASCAR and the penalties imposed by NASCAR, why does it matter where the CEO lives? The home office for NASCAR is in Daytona Beach, which I think is still in Florida. Perhaps if they want to suggest the NC offices were behind the sanctions, I can buy that, but I don't understand why Brian Frances home or marital woes are an issue in this case.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Ok, I have a question for the "internet lawyers" here. If the drug test was requested by NASCAR and the penalties imposed by NASCAR, why does it matter where the CEO lives? The home office for NASCAR is in Daytona Beach, which I think is still in Florida. Perhaps if they want to suggest the NC offices were behind the sanctions, I can buy that, but I don't understand why Brian Frances home or marital woes are an issue in this case.

I keep trying to figure out where this is going, and I think it is a game to get the court of hearing changed from a state to a federal court or vice versa. I am just guessing, but I think that is the end game. THAT, and to make it sound like Brian France is this flawed, distracted guy who is just lost and clueless who has no business taking away the right of Jeremy Mayfield to race cars for a living. Stupid ? ya...I think so....

[Mark in Oshawa]

I keep trying to figure out where this is going, and I think it is a game to get the court of hearing changed from a state to a federal court or vice versa. I am just guessing, but I think that is the end game. THAT, and to make it sound like Brian France is this flawed, distracted guy who is just lost and clueless who has no business taking away the right of Jeremy Mayfield to race cars for a living. Stupid ? ya...I think so....

Should have read Jonesi's link....if Jeremy can prove residencey of Brian, the case is in state court and then the state of NC can pay the legal fee's.....

[Chaparral66]

OK, on that note...

http://www.laidbackracing.com/Articles2010/MM17.html

[Mark in Oshawa]

OK, on that note...

http://www.laidbackracing.com/Articles2010/MM17.html

It just gets murkier. Brian France is an idiot I think. While it is nice they wanted to wear out Mayfield just by the court being used, it is kind of unethical and stupid in light of all that. Still doesn't change the reality, which Mayfield's lawyer has taken out of sight for a brief interlude that he tested twice positive for Meth, and the second test was done according to an exact protocol in a witnessed test.

At some point, this whole mess will get down to that testimony, and then if the jury isn't filled with morons, they will realize all this stuff is still smoke and mirrors.

[Chaparral66]

Yeah, yeah, just let it come to court. I want all the dirty linen to come out.

[Jonesi]

Jeremy Mayfield’s lawsuit against NASCAR to remain in federal court: http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles ... court.html (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfields_lawsuit_against_NASCAR_to_remain_ in_federal_court.html)

[slorydn1]

Jeremy Mayfield’s lawsuit against NASCAR to remain in federal court: http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles ... court.html (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfields_lawsuit_against_NASCAR_to_remain_ in_federal_court.html)


He's toast.......

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jeremy Mayfield’s lawsuit against NASCAR to remain in federal court: http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles ... court.html (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfields_lawsuit_against_NASCAR_to_remain_ in_federal_court.html)

It is even better. On Scene Daily's link beyond the story, you also have a story on the IRS going after him. He may or may not be a druggie ( according to the court anyhow, I feel he is) but also he has fallen afoul of the IRS.

[Sparky1329]

Where are all of his defenders now?

[beachgirl]

Where are all of his defenders now?

Busy doing their own tax returns and paying their taxes diligently.

[slorydn1]

Busy doing their own tax returns and paying their taxes diligently.

:rotflmao: :angel: :D

[Mark in Oshawa]

Where are all of his defenders now?

I do recall all sorts of people thinking ole Mayfield was being persecuted by that evil Brian France, and how dare they and so on and so forth.

The IRS going after him is another damning piece of evidence really. People with Meth habits are usually delusional and also not on the same page with the fiscal world as well. The fact the IRS is after him is evidence that his whole personal life is in turmoil.

[slorydn1]

Sources tell Sirius NASCAR Radio's Sirius Speedway with Dave Moody that four-time NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champions Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson were served with subpoenas this week, and will be deposed by Jeremy Mayfield's legal team regarding sworn statements they gave as part of Mayfield's lawsuit against NASCAR. Mayfield was suspended indefinitely early last season for an alleged violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy. NASCAR says Mayfield tested positive for methamphetamine, while Mayfield contends he is the victim of a false positive due to a combination of over-the-counter allergy medication and prescription medicine used to treat Attention Deficit Disorder. The case is scheduled to go to trial in September of this year. A spokesman for Hendrick Motorsports confirmed that Gordon's attorneys have received a subpoena on his behalf. Jimmie Johnson's representatives also confirm the his attorneys were served this week, on his behalf.(Sirius Speedway)(5-13-2010)

http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news41thu

The more I see, the more I am convinced he's on something

[Crunch™]

Busy doing their own tax returns and paying their taxes diligently.

Just like all the officials Obama selected!!!

[Mark in Oshawa]

Sources tell Sirius NASCAR Radio's Sirius Speedway with Dave Moody that four-time NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champions Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson were served with subpoenas this week, and will be deposed by Jeremy Mayfield's legal team regarding sworn statements they gave as part of Mayfield's lawsuit against NASCAR. Mayfield was suspended indefinitely early last season for an alleged violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy. NASCAR says Mayfield tested positive for methamphetamine, while Mayfield contends he is the victim of a false positive due to a combination of over-the-counter allergy medication and prescription medicine used to treat Attention Deficit Disorder. The case is scheduled to go to trial in September of this year. A spokesman for Hendrick Motorsports confirmed that Gordon's attorneys have received a subpoena on his behalf. Jimmie Johnson's representatives also confirm the his attorneys were served this week, on his behalf.(Sirius Speedway)(5-13-2010)

http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news41thu

The more I see, the more I am convinced he's on something

Classic obsfuscution. Bring everyone in and drag em through the mud...but do NOTHING to prove how that two positive tests were just mistakes. I am dying to see how JJ and Gordo know anything about this crap...but I am sure Mayfield's ambulance chaser will try to make it sound like everyone is on drugs in NASCAR...

[beachbum]

Classic obsfuscution. Bring everyone in and drag em through the mud...but do NOTHING to prove how that two positive tests were just mistakes. I am dying to see how JJ and Gordo know anything about this crap...but I am sure Mayfield's ambulance chaser will try to make it sound like everyone is on drugs in NASCAR...If you have no defense, make up something, confuse the issues, and try to live off the "reasonable doubt" defense. It is also a way for Mayfield's lawyers to bump up the fees. As a lawyer once told me, lawyers never lose - their clients do. The lawyers almost always get paid - somehow.

[Lee Roy]

I would think that Gordon and Johnson have access to some of the best lawyers that you can get. And I'll bet they can pay them also.

[Mark in Oshawa]

If you have no defense, make up something, confuse the issues, and try to live off the "reasonable doubt" defense. It is also a way for Mayfield's lawyers to bump up the fees. As a lawyer once told me, lawyers never lose - their clients do. The lawyers almost always get paid - somehow.


I suspect the ambulance chaser will suck Mayfield dry...and he still wont be reinsated by NASCAR. You cant fight city hall, and you cant fight city hall when everyone including the ambulance chaser bleeding you knows you are likely guilty.

I just love how his defence has changed tactics 3 times..and NOT one of the tactics involve proving he isn't a meth head....

[beachgirl]

It's all over, guys. Judge Mullin dismissed Mayfield's suit today. I'm going to try to post the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=5199391

[NickFalzone]

It's all over, guys. Judge Mullin dismissed Mayfield's suit today. I'm going to try to post the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=5199391

As soon as I heard JJ and Jeffy were called in, I knew this would end quickly.

[slorydn1]

and the long national nightmare is OVER!!!!

Or is it?

He can still appeal <dammit> :mad:

[Sparky1329]

He can appeal but I doubt that it will work. There's no "there" there and never was. Jeremy is over. He doesn't have a pot to P in or a window to throw it out of at this point.

[beachbum]

He can appeal but I doubt that it will work. There's no "there" there and never was. Jeremy is over. He doesn't have a pot to P in or a window to throw it out of at this point.With his IRS problems and expensive lawyers to pay, he would have to hock the pot anyway.

[Mark in Oshawa]

It ends with a whimper...rather than a bang, and this was the only outcome that made any sense.....

Even the most vehement defenders of Mayfield on this board and on the phone in shows on Sirius have to run the white flag up and have probably a few months ago...

[Jonesi]

As expected:
http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfield_asks_court_to_reconsider_decision_ to_dismiss_his_claims_against_NASCAR.html

[beachgirl]

Jeremy must have found a major infusion of cash to pay celebrity lawyer Mark Geragos for this.

Jeremy would have been so much farther ahead to just admit his addiction, get treatment, and be able to come back to race in NASCAR and get some semblance of career back. Instead, he's just reinforcing his addictive behavior, and crashing and burning in a huge bonfire.

JMHO, of course.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jeremy must have found a major infusion of cash to pay celebrity lawyer Mark Geragos for this.

Jeremy would have been so much farther ahead to just admit his addiction, get treatment, and be able to come back to race in NASCAR and get some semblance of career back. Instead, he's just reinforcing his addictive behavior, and crashing and burning in a huge bonfire.

JMHO, of course.

They one of the best ways to tell someone has a meth issue is their refusal to deal with reality and admit any kind of humble values or humility. My god, if ever there was an example of this, you are seeing it now. Assuming he was "framed"..and that is a HUGE assumption, would he continue inspite of the legal beatdown's he has taken already? God no...a sane man would know when to cut his losses and try another way of clearing his name. The fact is, the only defense he and his ambulance chaser lawyers have ever had is to throw mud around. THAT right there tells you all you need to know about this man's guilt. They quit trying to prove how he is innocent a long time ago...

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Judge_denies_Jeremy_Mayfield_request_to_reverse_de cision_that_dismissed_his_claims_against_NASCAR.ht ml

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfield-NASCAR_case_likely_to_continue_into_2011.html

[Chaparral66]

Well, I guess that's all she wrote.

[Jonesi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/columns/story?columnist=newton_david&id=5552534&campaign=link&source=JAYSKI

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/NASCAR_willing_to_dismiss_counterclaims_against_Je remy_Mayfield_so_appeal_can_proceed.html

[Mark in Oshawa]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/NASCAR_willing_to_dismiss_counterclaims_against_Je remy_Mayfield_so_appeal_can_proceed.html

I see Geragos bailed on him and he has a new ambulance chaser now.....

Still same old Mayfield; one conspiracy theory after another.....except he didn't remember THIS one 2 lawyers back.....

Sad...get help Mayfield...your delusions are rather sad...

[Jonesi]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/third-witness-comes-forward-to-support-race-fixing-claims-against-nascar-chairman--ceo-brian-z-france-104705264.html

[beachbum]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/third-witness-comes-forward-to-support-race-fixing-claims-against-nascar-chairman--ceo-brian-z-france-104705264.htmlStandard "muddy the waters" move. Just because Brian France is an idiot doesn't excuse Mayfield from being one. I guess his new ambulance chaser hopes he can embarrass NASCAR enough that they will back down. I don't see that happening.

[Alexamateo]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/third-witness-comes-forward-to-support-race-fixing-claims-against-nascar-chairman--ceo-brian-z-france-104705264.html

from the article:


In a recent motion filed in federal court, Mayfield accused NASCAR Chairman and CEO Brian Z. France, while under the influence of alcohol, of ordering race officials to take Mayfield out of competition in a 2006 race. In support of that motion, Mayfield attached sworn statements from France's former in-laws, Vince and Sandy Garcia. The Garcias claim that during the 2006 "Allstate 400 at the Brickyard" in Indianapolis, France called NASCAR President Mike Helton and ordered him to "black-flag" Mayfield from his home in California, where France had been drinking that day and was under the influence.


Well, seeing as how Mayfield fell out of the top 35 and was replaced after this race, maybe France was doing a personal favor for Ray Everham. :p

[Mark in Oshawa]

from the article:




Well, seeing as how Mayfield fell out of the top 35 and was replaced after this race, maybe France was doing a personal favor for Ray Everham. :p

Lol...because we all know that Ray Evernham controls NASCAR in reality..NOT Brian France? Jeremy believes it I am sure....

[Jonesi]

http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Black-flagged_Federal_judge_refuses_to_reopen_Jeremy_May field_case_against_sanctioning_body.html

[Mark in Oshawa]

This guy is out of his mind.....

[Chaparral66]

Now what? I keep thinking this is a done deal.

[beachgirl]

It is for everyone in the entire world but Jeremy.

[Azumanga Davo]

Is this car crash of a story STILL going?

[Jonesi]

Is this car crash of a story STILL going?

Yes, when you are up against a large rich corporation, legal justice takes years and sometimes decades.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2010-12-27/notebook-t-gordon-named-keselowskis-nwide-crew-chief

[beachgirl]

Yes, when you are up against a large rich corporation, legal justice takes years and sometimes decades.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2010-12-27/notebook-t-gordon-named-keselowskis-nwide-crew-chief

Oh please. I've got the same feeling about ol' Jeremy as I do about death-row criminals suddenly "finding Jesus". Pure bull. And poor old Jeremy suffering at the hands of a large rich corporation. Right. He failed his drug tests. MULTIPLE times. If it were one time only vs. a large rich corporation I might feel differently. But Jeremy's a druggie who won't admit to a problem. So no sympathy from this poster. All he's doing is wasting my tax dollars.

[Sparky1329]

How pathetic. I wish somebody with a brain would tell him he's over. Done. Stick a fork in him. Geez!

[beachbum]

Yes, when you are up against a large rich corporation, legal justice takes years and sometimes decades.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2010-12-27/notebook-t-gordon-named-keselowskis-nwide-crew-chiefAs long as the lawyers think they can make some money, they will drag it on forever, particularly if it involves a large corporation. Deep pockets make for attractive targets. It has been less that 2 years since this started, so there is probably still money to milk from this "issue". But as a lawyer once told me, lawyers never lose, but their clients do.

Mayfield gains nothing from this and continues to look like the fool. When this is finally over (it will end eventually), he will have nothing and probably still be a druggie. But the lawyers will be smiling - on both sides.

[Sparky1329]

As long as the lawyers think they can make some money, they will drag it on forever, particularly if it involves a large corporation. Deep pockets make for attractive targets. It has been less that 2 years since this started, so there is probably still money to milk from this "issue". But as a lawyer once told me, lawyers never lose, but their clients do.

Mayfield gains nothing from this and continues to look like the fool. When this is finally over (it will end eventually), he will have nothing and probably still be a druggie. But the lawyers will be smiling - on both sides.

I'm pretty sure those lawyers will have to take a number and get in line to get paid.

[beachbum]

I'm pretty sure those lawyers will have to take a number and get in line to get paid.Maybe, but there are always ambulance chasers who hope to win some settlement and get their cut first. Even so, if Mayfield has anything left when this is over, the lawyers will get it.

He is so disillusion, he probably thinks the lawyers take his case because they agree with his arguments, not because they just see an opportunity to make money.

[Sparky1329]

Maybe, but there are always ambulance chasers who hope to win some settlement and get their cut first. Even so, if Mayfield has anything left when this is over, the lawyers will get it.

He is so disillusion, he probably thinks the lawyers take his case because they agree with his arguments, not because they just see an opportunity to make money.

He's not exactly the sharpest pencil in the cup either.

[Jonesi]

http://dalyplanet.blogspot.com/2011/04/jeremy-mayfield-finds-equal-ground.html

[Lee Roy]

It's always something with this guy.



Mayfield's Dogs Attack Mail Carrier: When a mail carrier tried to deliver a package too big for Jeremy Mayfield's mailbox, she tried to drop it off at the home's front door, but when she went to the house, police say she was attacked by five dogs. The pit bull-lab mix dogs are currently in quarantine at the Catawba County Animal Shelter. Firefighters said it was at former NACSAR driver Jeremy Mayfield's home where mail carrier Mary Bolton was attacked. Firefighters said she was hospitalized with bite marks and cuts all over her legs, arms and shoulders. Neighbors were stunned to hear news of the attack. Police have confirmed that Mayfield came outside to intervene, scooping up the badly injured carrier and taking her back inside the home. The police chief in Catawba said the dogs are being quarantined for ten days because he is not sure they are up to date on rabies shots. No decision has been made yet on what will happen to the dogs or if anyone will face charges.(WSOCtv.com)(4-23-2011)


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27641790/detail.html

[beachgirl]

Gotta be Brian France's fault. (Insert sarcasm smilie here)

[Lee Roy]

Gotta be Brian France's fault. (Insert sarcasm smilie here)

That's for sure. You know how it is when your up against a big rich corporation. :) ;)

[Jonesi]

Jeremy Mayfield appeal tentatively set for Nov. 8 | NASCAR News Now - SceneDaily.com (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Jeremy_Mayfield_appeal_tentatively_set_for_Nov_8.h tml)

[Jonesi]

U.S. Court of Appeals scraps Nov. 8 date for Jeremy Mayfield appeal | NASCAR News Now - SceneDaily.com (http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/US_Court_of_Appeals_scraps_Nov_8_date_for_Jeremy_M ayfield_appeal.html)