What so bad about having a positive attitude?

[downtowndeco]

I'm often accused of being unrealistic. Overly optimistic. Not seeing things for as bad as they (supossedly) are. OK. I admit it. I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy. My question is, what's wrong with that?

Does anyone here think that when they go on endlessly about how bad things are in AOW racing that they're actually telling a sponsor, team or potential promoter something that they didn't already know?

For example. Do you actually think that any sponsors would be shocked to find out that NASCAR is the big dog in town? That the ratings would probably average out to the mid 1.5 to 2.5? That not every fan likes the current engine/chassis package?

What is gained by ALWAYS looking at the bad side of things? Again. You're not telling any of the sponsors or potential sponsors something they don't already know. You're not letting a promoter on some big secret that attendance is down (across the board in all series btw).

What is to be gained from all of the negativity?

[ChicagocrewIRL]

What negativity ??? It's the Month of May. I can only speak for myself but I am very positive about the Series. CHEERS ALL

[SarahFan]

I'm often accused of being unrealistic. Overly optimistic. Not seeing things for as bad as they (supossedly) are. OK. I admit it. I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy. My question is, what's wrong with that?

Does anyone here think that when they go on endlessly about how bad things are in AOW racing that they're actually telling a sponsor, team or potential promoter something that they didn't already know?

For example. Do you actually think that any sponsors would be shocked to find out that NASCAR is the big dog in town? That the ratings would probably average out to the mid 1.5 to 2.5? That not every fan likes the current engine/chassis package?

What is gained by ALWAYS looking at the bad side of things? Again. You're not telling any of the sponsors or potential sponsors something they don't already know. You're not letting a promoter on some big secret that attendance is down (across the board in all series btw).

What is to be gained from all of the negativity?


I'm calling BS on this post/thread...

you hammered away relentlessly on CC and CCfans for years.... and now you want a big happy circle .....

I post about the teams drivers and races 10fold, heck 50fold compared to you.....

the Biz of AOWR is legitimate discussion....if you dont want to engage in honest discussion about the state of the sport then simply dont click on the threads..... its really not that hard

[Chamoo]

I'm calling BS on this post/thread...

you hammered away relentlessly on CC and CCfans for years.... and now you want a big happy circle .....

I post about the teams drivers and races 10fold, heck 50fold compared to you.....

the Biz of AOWR is legitimate discussion....if you dont want to engage in honest discussion about the state of the sport then simply dont click on the threads..... its really not that hard

Well, my opinion is this. You can be optimistic yet realistic. I think if any of you have followed my posts on here, you'd realize that I call it the way I see it, but at the same time, I don't bury the league all that often, and when I do, it is usually for good reason. I usually try to stay up beat and think about the positives, hell, this is coming from a CCWS guy too.

I don't think being optimistic or positive is bad, I think being illogical when it comes to the business is bad.

[downtowndeco]

And my point is you're not running the IRL. If the grandstands are half empty at a race you don't lose money. Likewise, you're not a potential sponsor. It's no skin off your ***s if it pulls a .3 on VS. Why does it bother some of you so much?

Again. I don't see how the endless hand wringing & D&G helps in any way.

Still looking forward to Indy (no matter what the rating turns out to be!).




I don't think being optimistic or positive is bad, I think being illogical when it comes to the business is bad.

[garyshell]

And my point is you're not running the IRL. If the grandstands are half empty at a race you don't lose money. Likewise, you're not a potential sponsor. It's no skin off your ***s if it pulls a .3 on VS. Why does it bother some of you so much?

Oh please, if the answer to that were any more obvious it would reach out and slap you! Some of us are CONCERNED about ratings because they are a barometer of the health of the series and are the measure by which the folks footing the bills, the sponsors (remember them?), will also measure things. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't side with the folks who think the ratings of the first three races on a new provider are the true measure. I am in the camp of "let's see what the year long trends are with this", as I think the sponsors are as well. They are pretty smart folks and all knew that right out of the gate the numbers would be down considerably.


Again. I don't see how the endless hand wringing & D&G helps in any way.

I agree, it does not. But dismissing ANY talk of the numbers and how they trend doesn't help either. Again your halo is a bit askew.


Still looking forward to Indy (no matter what the rating turns out to be!).

I am looking forward to the race as well, but will not turn a blind eye to the ratings.

Gary

[the bro]

"What so bad about having a positive attitude?"

Probably the Captain of the Titanic had a positive attitude, until it sunk.

My worry is that eventually the lack of fans and viewers will lead to a lack of series.

[downtowndeco]

Again. Do you think that sponsors or potential sponsors are unaware of the ratings? Do you think the ratings are wildly different than what they expected? With the ABC races & the 500 it will probably average out to between 1.5 & 2.5 for the year, probably about what was expected.

Another question. Is the constant drum beating of negativity helpful in any way to creating more fans or viewers?




"What so bad about having a positive attitude?"

Probably the Captain of the Titanic had a positive attitude, until it sunk.

My worry is that eventually the lack of fans and viewers will lead to a lack of series.

[Jag_Warrior]

And my point is you're not running the IRL. If the grandstands are half empty at a race you don't lose money. Likewise, you're not a potential sponsor. It's no skin off your ***s if it pulls a .3 on VS. Why does it bother some of you so much?

Again. I don't see how the endless hand wringing & D&G helps in any way.


Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.

Surely you see the irony here?

[SarahFan]

Again. Do you think that sponsors or potential sponsors are unaware of the ratings? Do you think the ratings are wildly different than what they expected? With the ABC races & the 500 it will probably average out to between 1.5 & 2.5 for the year, probably about what was expected.

Another question. Is the constant drum beating of negativity helpful in any way to creating more fans or viewers?

between 1.5 to 2.5 for the year?

no friggen way....

you heard it here first at years end the average rating will be below 1.0....

12 races & .3 will be 3.6... 4 @ 1.0 will get it to 7.6...4.0 for Indy and your at 11.6....divide by 17 and your at .68......

things will have to drastically improve just to get to 1.0.... 2.5?, you have got to kidding... thats fantasy land

HONESTY trumps BS everytime....

[CCWS77]

I'm not sure why you expect fans to act as if they work in the marketing dept. You should hope the complaints do not stop because that will mean people have given up on it. Total apathy would not be better for ratings then complaints.

[NickFalzone]

I say it on another ratings thread, and I'll repeat it here. Calling out the ratings in the first few months (weeks, actually) is premature bigtime. Lets see where things are at by Chicagoland. More imporantly, where they are coming off Kansas next season. All the Indy coverage this month will get the VS deal a lot of exposure. "The sky is falling" type comments a couple races in is just a waste of time. It really just does not mean all that much. I'm not saying that the VS deal is likely to be a big hit, but what I'm saying it that trying to make heads or tails of it, 3 races in, is useless. Also note that the NHL averages 270k viewers, NOW, on VS in the regular season. So the reality may well be that you know, IndyCar on VS this season or even next season could average out to say 300-400k per race. Whether the series, or VS, or the sponsors, can deal with those ratings is tbd, but that's the reality. If the IRL jumps to 500-600k average by next season, that will be a big success.

[Mark in Oshawa]

All I know Deco is that for all the abuse you handed out to anyone with CCWS/CART loyalties you asking for a little kumbaya now from the now "Brothers" in racing is a bit much. You are lucky they even pay attention to your half@ssed attempt at being "happy"

Like Gary and a few others, I get this TV thing is a work in progress, and like you I notice the fans are in the stands at most venues. But spare me this criticism of the "negativity". You had no issue with it at ALL when you were spearing CART defending the lamer earlier versions of the IRL.

Some of us have memories.......

[downtowndeco]

The difference was at the time when I was critical of CC management clearly there was one OW series too many to make an honest go of it. And The IRL was clearly better run and in a better position to try and stabilize AOWR. The whole CCWS experiment was a waste of three years because at the time of CART's BK it was stone clear to anyone who was honest that there was not enough room for two OW series. Not enough fans, drivers, teams, sponsors of quality tracks. Yet KK & went on ahead any way just to try & make a quick buck & to please the F troop.

Yeah, I was critical of them. Turned out I was right.

Now that there is just one series I think it's helpfull to all pull in the same direction. The constant stream of negativity can only have one final effect. To put the last AOW Series out of business. If that's what you want just keep on harping.



All I know Deco is that for all the abuse you handed out to anyone with CCWS/CART loyalties you asking for a little kumbaya now from the now "Brothers" in racing is a bit much. You are lucky they even pay attention to your half@ssed attempt at being "happy"

Like Gary and a few others, I get this TV thing is a work in progress, and like you I notice the fans are in the stands at most venues. But spare me this criticism of the "negativity". You had no issue with it at ALL when you were spearing CART defending the lamer earlier versions of the IRL.

Some of us have memories.......

[SarahFan]

The IRL was clearly better run .

clearly it's not....

YMMV... and obviosly it does

again... why is this so hard... if your not interested in (or capable of honest) discussion surrounding the Biz of the sport simply stick to the threads about the teams, racers and races...

me?...I enjoy both

you, based on your posting history, it appears enjoy neither

[SarahFan]

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[downtowndeco]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?

[SarahFan]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?

true change does not happen by masking reality...

[downtowndeco]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?

[SarahFan]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?


how can honesty be negative

[downtowndeco]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?

[Chamoo]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?

It's human nature, and it gives us something to talk about. If there weren't any negatives, this forum would be dead.

[SarahFan]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?


what does someone who masks reality expect to accomplish

[jarrambide]

Again. To those who want to harp negatives continually, what do you wish to accomplish by doing so?
Dude, we all remember you as the king of gloom anddoom, we believe you had an agenda back then, that is why hearing from you that they should not be negative souns funny, now, when someone like hoop and garyshell advice people not to be that negative, that resonates more, or Mark in Oshawa, who by the way owes me a ride in his truck.

Accomplish?, you can only be negative and complain when you can accomplish something?, it doesn´t work that way, being negative here will not destroy IndyCar and being positive will not save IndyCar, this is a forum, we just come here to laugh, talk racing, vent, if you are sad and feeling negative, here is the place to tallk about it, of you are feeling positive and you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, this is the place to talk about it.
99% of members are not capable of doing anything for the series, it is out of our hands, that is why we come here to cry or to laugh, que sarahfan, sarahfan.

[downtowndeco]

Fair enough. I'm done here. Cheers.


Dude, we all remember you as the king of gloom anddoom, we believe you had an agenda back then, that is why hearing from you that they should not be negative souns funny, now, when someone like hoop and garyshell advice people not to be that negative, that resonates more, or Mark in Oshawa, who by the way owes me a ride in his truck.

Accomplish?, you can only be negative and complain when you can accomplish something?, it doesn´t work that way, being negative here will not destroy IndyCar and being positive will not save IndyCar, this is a forum, we just come here to laugh, talk racing, vent, if you are sad and feeling negative, here is the place to tallk about it, of you are feeling positive and you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, this is the place to talk about it.
99% of members are not capable of doing anything for the series, it is out of our hands, that is why we come here to cry or to laugh, que sarahfan, sarahfan.

[SarahFan]

Dude, we all remember you as the king of gloom anddoom, we believe you had an agenda back then, that is why hearing from you that they should not be negative souns funny, now, when someone like hoop and garyshell advice people not to be that negative, that resonates more, or Mark in Oshawa, who by the way owes me a ride in his truck.

Accomplish?, you can only be negative and complain when you can accomplish something?, it doesn´t work that way, being negative here will not destroy IndyCar and being positive will not save IndyCar, this is a forum, we just come here to laugh, talk racing, vent, if you are sad and feeling negative, here is the place to tallk about it, of you are feeling positive and you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, this is the place to talk about it.
99% of members are not capable of doing anything for the series, it is out of our hands, that is why we come here to cry or to laugh, que sarahfan, sarahfan.


cabrito (did I spell that right?) at Tio's sounds pretty tasty right about now...

[jarrambide]

Ken, perfect spelling, Tio´s, I need to go to El Tio next visit to Monterrey which hopefully will be in June, I want to see my mother.

We need races like the one in Monterrey, in the middle of the city, givinh you a chance to do lots of things after the track activity those 3 days.

[SarahFan]

Ken, perfect spelling, Tio´s, I need to go to El Tio next visit to Monterrey which hopefully will be in June, I want to see my mother.

We need races like the one in Monterrey, in the middle of the city, givinh you a chance to do lots of things after the track activity those 3 days.

Montreal comes to mind.... china not so much


what's that sweet dark coffee called ?

[jarrambide]

Montreal comes to mind.... china not so much


what's that sweet dark coffee called ?

Cafe de olla.

[SarahFan]

Cafe de olla.


Mmmmmm

[SarahFan]

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/cafedeolla.htm

[SarahFan]

http://www.eltio.com.mx/index.html

[SarahFan]

Yo.....Loneranger

remember this place?


http://www.go-montreal.com/newtown/index.htm


not sure its still open.... do you know?

[Jag_Warrior]

The difference was at the time when I was critical of CC management clearly there was one OW series too many to make an honest go of it. And The IRL was clearly better run and in a better position to try and stabilize AOWR. The whole CCWS experiment was a waste of three years because at the time of CART's BK it was stone clear to anyone who was honest that there was not enough room for two OW series. Not enough fans, drivers, teams, sponsors of quality tracks. Yet KK & went on ahead any way just to try & make a quick buck & to please the F troop.

Yeah, I was critical of them. Turned out I was right.

So you are now saying that your position (in regard to CCWS) then was rationalized on the hope that the end would justify the means? :confused:

Using that logic, what if some of the "negative Nellies" that you seem to have an issue with are proven right, say around 2013? I guess that would mean they are taking the correct approach now, eh? That's a slippery slope. Be careful. A fellow could break a hip, twist a knee or sprain an ankle on that one.



Now that there is just one series I think it's helpfull to all pull in the same direction. The constant stream of negativity can only have one final effect. To put the last AOW Series out of business. If that's what you want just keep on harping.

It's not my job nor my duty to be positive... or negative. I just try to call 'em like I see 'em. That's an issue that I had with some of the Fanatics. Curvy girls wearing Daisy Dukes can pull the look off, but I'd look funny in rose colored glasses. If F1, NASCAR and ALMS can endure that sort of approach, why can't the IRL?

[CCWS77]

The problem is this idea that the split was just a superficial battle among the sports owners and managers and all fans would line up behind the winners. Maybe there were some legitimate differences that actually matter to some fans? Some are blind to this.

[jarrambide]

The problem is this idea that the split was just a superficial battle among the sports owners and managers and all fans would line up behind the winners. Maybe there were some legitimate differences that actually matter to some fans? Some are blind to this.
Lining up with the winners and complaining with the current state of AOWR are not mutually exclusive, accepting, embracing or lining up with doesn´t mean you can´t see what is wrong or that you should not talk about it or use "everything will get better" as a mantra.

I embraced the MLS when I moved here, go to tons of games, watch games on TV (in a country in which you can watch 2o games from other countries every week) but I still complain daily about the things that are wrong, and believe me, there are a lot of bad things in the MLS.