New FIA plans "world engine 2013" ?

[Brother John]

Source: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2009/04/06/kommt-der-weltmotor-2013/index.html

And a bad translation from: babelfish.yahoo :p :
„Does the world engine come “2013?
If it goes to the conception of the FIA, a small 1,6 litres engine and a large turbo is to be used not only in the Formel-1 also for the Rallye WRC starting from 2013. CHANGE: Starting from 2013 a small 1.6-Liter-Turbo is to propel the WRCs The disarmament continues. Because the trend goes anyway in the series automotive manufacture to small engines with loading, also the Rallyeautos is to go with the time. So far the new engine idea of the FIA is however only a proposal. How the future technology is to look concrete, is completely unclear. „For the moment we think about world engine for 2013. That is an engine, that as turbo-version, or as Sauger in the Rallye WRC to be used could “, gave max of Mosley on weekend in Portugal readily information. „We however still are in the initial stage and speak with the manufacturers. In all probability the world engine 2013 will come. “ Then the small 1,6-Liter-Aggregat is to beacon not only the World rally Cars, but be used to the will of the FIA into different stages of development also on the round distance. Until it so far is, into the Rallye WM the conventional two litre Turbos are buried and replaced by Super2000. „We would not have gladly an engine with that the basis to be developed must. The development should concentrate on the periphery “, so Mosley further and alludes to different possibilities of the energy recovery. „KERS would be such a range, likewise the energy recovery of the exhaust and of the cooling system. Also injection and many other ranges are things, about which we must talk with the manufacturers. “ Mosley wants to again set the transfer of technology in motion between engine haven and series products by the new engine. „Our principal purpose is that the money, which is spent in the engine haven on research and development benefits again more series production, as a high-specialized range, which does not have a relevance for everything else “, explains the FIA boss. „We want to find - I am not safe whether we can do it - a way to combine all forms of the engine haven in this system. That would be very helpful, because in the engine haven nowadays large sums are spent. It is not impossible that these funds can bring something helpful out for the future. Even if still another little can last. “

[JAM]

Someone send Mosley to a retirement center, please... :mad:

[DonJippo]

Someone send Mosley to a retirement center, please... :mad:

Why? This is an proposal under study nothing has been decided yet so what's so wrong in it?

[MJW]

Here is Max's reply to a question by Reiner Kuhn, Motorsport Aktuell, Switzerland

Q. On one hand you speak about future technology in 2013, when the 1.6 turbo-charged engines will come. Is this too late? Everybody is talking about downsizing and smaller engines.

MM: Whatever we do has to fit with the future product range of the manufacturers. It’s no good doing something outside of that. We’re looking at the moment at a world engine for 2013. That’s to say an engine that would work in turbocharged form for F1 and then all the way down to naturally aspirated form for the lesser categories and in a turbocharged or naturally aspirated form for the World Rally Championship. It’s very early days. We are doing this in consultation with the manufacturers. In all probability, this will be 2013, that’s the timescale which with manufacturers tends to be relatively long. Therefore, if we do something at short notice it could cause problems. We will go to Super 2000 in 2011, and 2013 will be on us before we know it. There’s no question of us doing something between now and 2013, it’s simply too short a period. What will happen in 2013 if the idea of a world engine really starts to work remains to be seen. What we would like to do is have an engine, take F1 for an example, where the base engine is not the subject of development; it’s the peripheral areas which are the subject of the development. An obvious area is KERS, that’s very much a peripheral area, also energy recovery from the exhaust and cooling systems, Also elements like direct injection and all sorts of others that we need to discuss with manufacturers. But our basic objective is that the money spent in motorsport on research and development should be relevant and useful to the car industry rather than a highly specialised area which has no relevance to anything else, and if we can - and I’m not sure we can - find a way of combining all forms of motorsport in that system then this would be useful because of the huge sums spent on motorsport. It’s not beyond our possibility that those sums could produce something useful for the future - even if it’s long time in the future.

[jonkka]

Especially since there might be synergies for automobile industry in general, the trend is towards smaller turbo charged engines and manufacturers may benefit from R&D done on their motorsports programmes. Whether it's desirable to combine racing and rallying engines into one package is open to debate, racing engines are very different in nature.

[Karbonyl]

He definitely IS using drugs. I really wanna see that "world" engine working within three or four years as FIA absolutely wasn't able to make specification for S2000+ during same period...

[JAM]

Why? This is an proposal under study nothing has been decided yet so what's so wrong in it?


Usually the radical proposals under study result in measures that didn't help the sport. This seems to be one proposal with that kind of potential.

What makes motorsport interesting is the variety of cars and solutions. I (and many like me) don't want to see motorsport as a kind of german V8 Star championship.

I'm in favour of some standars parts as a way of control costs and expensive developments, but each in his own area. One engine to all the main motorsport categorias... seems very dumb at the moment, specially because we have a lot of problems to be solved.

[Rallyper]

For me a "world engine" means every carmaker has their own engine under specific rules, such as 1600 cc, limited turbo and on.

If they think there will be a everymansengine in diffrerent cars they are totally wrong!

Rallying is about carmakers competing each other. They´d always done that under same rules (meaning for example similar enginesizes).

Maybe MM means 1,6 turbo is a concept (rule) that will be used in more categories of motorsport. WTCC, F1 WRC and so on...?

[OldF]

“That’s to say an engine that would work in turbocharged form for F1 and then all the way down to naturally aspirated form for the lesser categories and in a turbocharged or naturally aspirated form for the World Rally Championship.”


This would mean an engine in power range from about 200 hp (R2) to about 800 hp (F1) and both turbocharged and NA. MM didn’t say how much power a F1 engine would have in 2013, so I used the approximately power they have nowadays. These are so different engines that I believe the only similarity of the “world engine” between the categories would be the cylinder block and the displacement 1,6 l.