Loeb wins again. Yawn.

[RAS007]

When is this borefest going to end?

[J4MIE]

When is this borefest going to end?

As soon as there is anyone good enough to beat him. There is nobody at his level at the moment so he is the regular winner. Simple as.

[Mirek]

Is it better when in World Championship worse drives fight for victory or when the best one wins? I vote for second choice however it may be boring...

[MJW]

I really hope for S2000 to come in in January 2010, because if it doesnt Seb will continue to dominate in 2010. There is no guarantee that wont be the case IF S2000 came in, but at least it would shake things up a little bit.

[ste898]

Has anyone done the sums to see when he can win the championship yet?

[Brother John]

Has anyone done the sums to see when he can win the championship yet?

Which championship? The one car and one driver championship that is called WRC? :rolleyes:

[Lousada]

You could always watch F1. They race, half of the time, and then chatter 14 days about the results.

[Ghostwalker]

the worst thing with the WRC so far is that Mikko is just 10p behind.

[RS]

the worst thing with the WRC so far is that Mikko is just 10p behind.

I agree, one mechanical problem for Loeb and one win for Mikko and it's all equal. That's just not right when he has been so comprehensively beaten so far this year.

[m.lowe]

Vive La Loeb

[Psycho!]

I agree, one mechanical problem for Loeb and one win for Mikko and it's all equal. That's just not right when he has been so comprehensively beaten so far this year.
Just think that Loeb has won many times due to the others' suffering,and you will get well balanced in your mind!! ;)

[Helstar]

Switch to S2000 in the next rally, and Loeb in a C2 1600 ... maybe some nice fights this way xD

Seriously, hope next year there will be many competitive S2000 cars with many drivers all around the world (Chris, Duval, Gigi, PG, Toni etc.)

[MJW]

Switch to S2000 in the next rally, and Loeb in a C2 1600 ... maybe some nice fights this way xD

Seriously, hope next year there will be many competitive S2000 cars with many drivers all around the world (Chris, Duval, Gigi, PG, Toni etc.)
The problem is whilst S2000's can join in for 2010 the WRCars are still there. No way will an S2000 car be competitive against a WR car.

[Spanish]

Which championship? The one car and one driver championship that is called WRC? :rolleyes:

+1
This is an embarrassement to what was

[zerodegreec]

What Loeb needs to do is wrap it up and take on a new challenge. Hes the best, and thats that. Now lets see him take the pressure and sit in a F1 car (btw I hate F1)

I want to see Loeb in the Dakar next year.

[Magnus]

I belive it is impossible, but it would be very interesting if the WRC just allowed one car- Every car would be exactly the same, and the discussions whether which car is the best would, not come to and end, but for sure be a bit silenced. It would also give the manu who provides the car a great exposure. They would the pay a fee for having this possibility, and then the drivers and their teams, with help from sponsors, would buy their own cars, or rent them.
My ten cents :)

[GruppoB]

on the brighter side the championship could either collapse or S2000 can be super successful. both ways are up.

[pino]

Loeb won again ? congrats to him, now it's up to others to reach that level ;)

[MikeD]

As soon as there is anyone good enough to beat him. There is nobody at his level at the moment so he is the regular winner. Simple as.

Yes, it really is that simple.

Rossi has dominated MotoGP, Schumacher has dominated Formula 1, and now Loeb is dominating WRC. It's just the way motorsport on the highest level is sometimes. But I enjoy watching the best...and one day they will get beaten.

PS: If you think Loeb dominates WRC, then you should look at Giagomo Agustinis domination of MotoGP (500cc back then) back in the 70'ies. He won every god damn race 4 season in a row ... think about that!

[bluuford]

well in 2005 he won 6 races in a row
in 2006 he won 5 races in a row
in 2007 only three in a row
in 2008 he won again 5 races in a row
Sooner or later it is going to end. And the one who manages to beat him will get huge confidence boost.
I think that we are going to see turnaround from the half of the season. Probably Citroen-s budget will be lowered (due to the current economical situation and their new chef) and they will start focus more on development of a new car. It happened when they started to develop C4.
I have the feeling that now you should really bet on Latvala :-)

[Psycho!]

I hope you are a prophet!!

[Magnus]

Probably Citroen-s budget will be lowered (due to the current economical situation and their new chef)

What about their new chef...? Have you tried his cooking or what :)

[Helstar]

The problem is whilst S2000's can join in for 2010 the WRCars are still there. No way will an S2000 car be competitive against a WR car.
Man, this would be the end really ... :\ WRC cars OUT please.

[bluuford]

What about their new chef...? Have you tried his cooking or what :)

That was good joke :-) By missing one pointless i in my word I actually found another reason. When he has new chef then he doesn't like his food anymore and cannot concentrate on driving :-)

Otherwise I think that Citroen has the best tactics, best car and best drivers. It looks very good tactics and almost no one cannot notice it. First day on the first corner you make very small mistake and after a few seconds you keep on driving. So, your main opponent (Hirvonen) thinks that he is the man and 20 seconds is enough for him not to play tactics on Friday. Rallyfans are happy as well because there is nice competition on Friday and almost half of the Saturday as well. So, on Saturday afternoon you (Loeb) push as hell and get advantage big enough to drive well without going crazy on Sunday.

What was Ford tactics. Latvala to drive very well on first day without going crazy and leading Mikko by some margin. Loeb probably even more behind. On second day Latvala first on the road and sweeping while Mikko is enjoying his cleaner lines and probably keeping Loeb behind. on last day Latvala starts third with much cleaner road and passes Mikko and Loeb:-)
but..
now we have just candidate nr 20 for the biggest crash title. At least one title that Ford might get this year :-)

[curry]

Unfortunately I must admit that I am getting a bit bored with this year’s championship. Problem is that it is just so predictable and I'm not just talking about Seb winning all the time (by the way I hope he wins all the events this year).

Being an Australian my first disappointment was Chris's lack of participation this year. This has followed by:-

1. Seb winning all the time;
2. Mikko coming second all the time and not being able to compete (even Malcolm has said this);
3. Latvala, being the only hope to challenge Seb, crashing all the time; and
4. Dani just going for a sunday drive to secure manufactures points.

I said at the start of the year that WRC could potentially die this year, I just didn't realise I would be effected.

Do I have an immediate answer - NO, but I believe the sport needs a massive makeover to make it interesting again. Will 2010 be that makeover? Jury still out I think.

[AndyRAC]

Unfortunately I must admit that I am getting a bit bored with this year’s championship. Problem is that it is just so predictable and I'm not just talking about Seb winning all the time (by the way I hope he wins all the events this year).

Being an Australian my first disappointment was Chris's lack of participation this year. This has followed by:-

1. Seb winning all the time;
2. Mikko coming second all the time and not being able to compete (even Malcolm has said this);
3. Latvala, being the only hope to challenge Seb, crashing all the time; and
4. Dani just going for a sunday drive to secure manufactures points.

I said at the start of the year that WRC could potentially die this year, I just didn't realise I would be effected.

Do I have an immediate answer - NO, but I believe the sport needs a massive makeover to make it interesting again. Will 2010 be that makeover? Jury still out I think.

You're quite right - the jury is still out, and I'm not too hopeful with some of ISC's ideas. Don't change the sport to suit TV, it has ruined it. Make the sport interesting and exciting with the rules and regs - then TV will come.

[Ghostwalker]

Yeah i Agree with you Andy.

I also thinks there's to many Super Specials in some rallies. OK start with a Super Special on Thursday evening but let the rest of the stages be real rally stages and not just 2 laps in a stadium.

Then i think they need to make the rallies longer. i mean 6 stages on the saturday is way too few. especially since its just 3 stages that is run twice.

I think there has been a bit too much focus the past years on coast saving issues and milking the spectators for money rather then actually making the sport more attractive to manufactors and spectators and media.

One thing that they should change is that its now very limited to where you are allowed to spectate. IMO they did this to be able to charge an entrence fee even though its saftey reason as well. they could keep the special spectators places but allow people to spectate anywhere they like.
Its just to crowded on the spectator places and i really dont want to walk for 1½ from the car to the stage entrence.

[Rallyper]

One of the events, maybe the only, this year that will hopefully equalize a couple of drivers in the top, is the Finnish round, Neste Ralli Finland.

I will be there and hope to see a finnish driver to win again if not before... :p :

[Magnus]

OT: nice to see som new swedish "faces" on the forum! We are not so many...
:D
On Topic: I would also like to see Loeb winning every event this year, it would make a beautiful statement, not only abt Loeb as a driver and Citroen, but also about the state of world rallying.

[serial jeff]

Yeah, the only way I see Seb not winning a rally this year is if he makes a mistake and crashes (not likely, but always a possibility) or somehow Ford manages to coax Gronholm into JML's car. That isn't likely either.

[A.F.F.]

Marcus doesn't need a Focus to win NORF. Subaru is enough.

Yes, at NORF he is that good.

[Helstar]

Meanwhile we can see bookmakers offers.... funny thing is that obviously they rate Loeb quite low, but who's this Suzuki guy ?!

Sebastien Loeb (FRA/Citroen) 1.07
Mikko Hirvonen (FIN/Ford) 9.00
Daniel Sordo (ESP/Citroen) 31.00
Henning Solberg (NOR/Ford) 51.00
Jari-Matti Latvala (FIN/Ford) 51.00
Drivers not in the list 81.00
Chris Atkinson (AUS/Citroen) 81.00
Urmo Aava (EST/Ford) 201.00
Simone Bertolotti (ITA/Suzuki) 501.00

[Tom206wrc]

When is this borefest going to end?



When Matt Wilslow will be able to beat him to satisfy british rally fans :p : :laugh:

[Simmi]

When Matt Wilslow will be able to beat him to satisfy british rally fans :p : :laugh:

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