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Chaparral66
13th March 2009, 03:36
Ok, last year, when the two open wheel camps finally reached an agreement, I was ready to put the past aside and look forward. And now, as a result of news I just learned today, if I saw Tony George himself walking by, I would part whatever Red Sea of people I had in front of me and go up to him and want to shake his hand for one of the classiest things I have EVER seen in motorsport, which is, the announcement that this years Indy 500 will honor the Tuskeegee Airmen of WWII. I have a distant relative who served in that unit, who fought all kinds of odds for the right to particpate in the defense of their country, and to see IMS honor that very patriotic unit is truly as very class act. I undertsnd someone will be trying to enter a car with Tuskeegee Airplane paint scheme. This is fantastic, and an honor long overdue. OK, TG, I know I've been critical of you in the past, but you did work hard to unify the sport last year, and this announcement is a real class act. Thanks on doing a great thing. For those not familiar with the Tuskeegee Airmen, Google it, there's plenty to read about. Should make every American proud.
Article follows from SPEEDTV.com:


INDYCAR: Tuskegee Airmen to be Honored at Indy 500Written by: SPEED Staff
SPEEDtv.com 03/12/2009 - 11:15 AM
Indianapolis, IN Top Cover Racing anticipates filing their Indy 500 once sponsorship details are finalized. (TCR) » More PhotosA group of original Tuskegee Airmen will be among America's servicemen honored in festivities leading up to the Indianapolis 500 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway this May, including the pre-race festivities on race day morning, Sunday, May 24.

The Tuskegee Airmen were the first all-black aviation unit in the United States military. Formed in July 1941, its members trained at a segregated base at Tuskegee, Ala., from whence they got their name. Despite great odds and outright prejudice, they helped America win World War II and end racial segregation in the military through courage, tenacity, perseverance and patriotism.

"People have to understand we were forced to train, fly and go to war as a separate air corps, not because we wanted to, but because it was the only choice we had," said retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Spann Watson, one of the first Tuskegee pilots to go overseas and fight. "We couldn't let black America down, and we couldn't let America down, so we persevered and excelled, and America is a better place because of it."

The 332nd Fighter Group, composed of Tuskegee Airmen's 99th, 100th, 301st and 302nd Fighter Squadrons and known as the "Red Tails" for their aircrafts' distinctive paint scheme, went on to complete 1,578 combat missions, compiling the best bomber escort record of the war and paving the way for the civil rights movement of the fifties and sixties. In all the Tuskegee Airmen were credited with damaging or destroying 409 enemy aircraft, garnering 744 medals, including 150 Distinguished Flying Crosses.

Also launched at Tuskegee was the 477th Medium Bomb Group, four B-25 squadrons that didn't have an opportunity to go overseas before the war ended. "Those guys are too often overlooked," added Watson, "but like the 332nd, they proved that any American, given the chance, could compete and contribute like all the rest."

At 92 years of age, Watsonand his comrades are ready to take on one more mission - supporting Junious Matthews, a longtime racer and African-American who is striving to enter a "Red Tail" car in the Indianapolis 500 in their honor.

"The way we see it, he's carrying on in the spirit of the Tuskegee Airmen," said Watson. "That, and the way the Speedway has opened its arms to us, is quite an honor. So we're happy to be part of this great event, and we're behind what Junious is trying to do."

"We've formed a team, Top Cover Racing, which pays tribute to the airmen with a Red Tail paint scheme on our cars," explained Matthews. "We're very close to officially entering the race. If we get the sponsorship we need, there'll be a Red Tail race car attempting to make the 500."
Firestone Indy Lights driver Andrew Prendeville visits with three of the Tuskegee Airmen. Prendeville's family has a special connection to the brave WWII pilots. (TCR) » More Photos
Among the activities planned are appearances by some of the original Tuskegee Airmen in the IPL 500 Festival Parade in downtown Indianapolis on Saturday, May 23.

The airmen are also slated to attend Miller Lite Carb Day and the Freedom 100 Firestone Indy Lights race on Friday, May 22, and the Indy 500 itself.

The Indianapolis Motor Speedway has a long tradition of honoring America's armed forces at the Indianapolis 500 over the Memorial Day weekend each May. The track's invitation to honor the Tuskegee Airmen this year grew from a relationship formed by Firestone Indy Lights driver Andrew Prendeville and Watson. They were introduced by Matthews, a mutual friend.

Prendeville invited Watson and his son, Weyman Watson, to last year's Freedom 100 Firestone Indy Lights race as his guests. Watson's presence brought special significance for Prendeville, whose paternal grandfather, Edward Joseph Prendeville, was one of the white bomber airmen the Tuskegee Airmen protected in World War II.

Prendeville drives the No. 2 Firestone Indy Lights car prepared by Indianapolis-based Team Moore Racing.

SportscarBruce
13th March 2009, 07:15
This likely means a warbird flyover. Sweet, and a nice gesture as you noted.

Rex Monaco
13th March 2009, 15:20
Great gesture. And well deserved tribute to these brave heroes.

But where is the next Willy T. Ribbs? How can this series have 2 women and no blacks? Certainly there is a black driver somewhere with more skill than Milka?

I guess we can hope the series progresses enough that in 10 years Lewis Hamilton finds it an attactive place to retire.

Chaparral66
13th March 2009, 15:45
I very positive good things will happen. Lewis Hamilton won an F1 championship the same year Barack Obama won the White House. Hopefully, seeing qualified people in those positions won't seem such a strange concept anymore and the scope of competitors will broaden. Folks have to remember all real racers want to do is win races, and the same is true for owners. The goals aren't different, and you never know where the next phenom might come from. It's just good business to open the driver palette.

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 16:44
Great gesture. And well deserved tribute to these brave heroes.

But where is the next Willy T. Ribbs? How can this series have 2 women and no blacks? Certainly there is a black driver somewhere with more skill than Milka?

I guess we can hope the series progresses enough that in 10 years Lewis Hamilton finds it an attactive place to retire.

Maybe Sammy's BBQ could be back as a sponser? KFC would bring a lot of money to the table now that subway has backed out.

Rex Monaco
13th March 2009, 17:37
Maybe Sammy's BBQ could be back as a sponser? KFC would bring a lot of money to the table now that subway has backed out.

Yeah, that's not a racist stereo type at all.

garyshell
13th March 2009, 17:57
Maybe Sammy's BBQ could be back as a sponser? KFC would bring a lot of money to the table now that subway has backed out.


Yeah, that's not a racist stereo type at all.


Agreed Rex. That was totally crass and disgusting at best. It has no place here whatsoever.

Gary

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:02
Agreed Rex. That was totally crass and disgusting at best. It has no place here whatsoever.

Gary

how? It's not my fault how you interpret things. I was making a valid point. It would bring more diversity to the sport both racially, and commercially. I'm sorry you took my quote so immature

garyshell
13th March 2009, 18:11
Maybe Sammy's BBQ could be back as a sponser? KFC would bring a lot of money to the table now that subway has backed out.


Agreed Rex. That was totally crass and disgusting at best. It has no place here whatsoever.

Gary


how? It's not my fault how you interpret things. I was making a valid point. It would bring more diversity to the sport both racially, and commercially. I'm sorry you took my quote so immature


Yeah, right, there was no hidden agenda or intent at all with your two examples of "commercial diversity". You could have just as easily said Arby's and Taco Bell, but no... your choices were very much a continuation of a despicable racial stereotype. Don't try to hide from it and suggest it is in my or Rex's minds eye. You know very well your choices were not coincidence.

Gary

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:20
Yeah, right, there was no hidden agenda or intent at all with your two examples of "commercial diversity". You could have just as easily said Arby's and Taco Bell, but no... your choices were very much a continuation of a despicable racial stereotype. Don't try to hide from it and suggest it is in my or Rex's minds eye. You know very well your choices were not coincidence.

Gary

Im just being obvious, they dont relate to Arby's and Taco bell in the same way, and that way they wouldnt attract new fans. But an IndyCar Bucket of chicken would! or an IndyCar Themed BBQ sauce

Scheckterfan54
13th March 2009, 18:23
Im just being obvious, they dont relate to Arby's and Taco bell in the same way, and that way they wouldnt attract new fans. But an IndyCar Bucket of chicken would! or an IndyCar Themed BBQ sauce

You are a racist moron and deserve to be banned.

garyshell
13th March 2009, 18:27
Im just being obvious, they dont relate to Arby's and Taco bell in the same way, and that way they wouldnt attract new fans. But an IndyCar Bucket of chicken would! or an IndyCar Themed BBQ sauce


THEY?!?!? Did you REALLY just say "THEY"? You really don't get it, do you? We are done. I will not be a party to your continued use of such despicable stereotypes.

Gary

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:32
THEY?!?!? Did you REALLY just say "THEY"? You really don't get it, do you? We are done. I will not be a party to your continued use of such despicable stereotypes.

Gary

You are ridicilous, why are you freaking out. It's not that big of a deal. Why are you acting like you are really offended? Nothing I said was meant to be offensive just stating obvious facts about marketing. Just so you know I am half "they"

Jag_Warrior
13th March 2009, 18:34
Ya know, that's really too bad. Chaparral66 puts up a nice thread where he says he's ready to put aside past differences and move forward because the IRL is honoring the Tuskegee Airmen at Indy.

And then a known, loyal & devoted fan of the IRL spoils the thread with his redneck yammerings.

Smooth move, dude. Now let's hear you sing, "I Am Indy!" :rolleyes:

Maybe Starter can clean this thread up, or just delete it and let Chap66 start over (minus one poster who needs to now "leave the island", IMO).

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:38
Ya know, that's really too bad. Chaparral66 puts up a nice thread where he says he's ready to put aside past differences and move forward because the IRL is honoring the Tuskegee Airmen at Indy.

And then a known, loyal & devoted fan of the IRL spoils the thread with his redneck yammerings.

Smooth move, dude. Now let's hear you sing, "I Am Indy!" :rolleyes:

Maybe Starter can clean this thread up, or just delete it and let Chap66 start over (minus one poster who needs to now "leave the island", IMO).

Maybe I thought I could speak freely here and not be so P. C., but you cannot honestly tell me that noone agrees with the point I am making. So Sorry

Jag_Warrior
13th March 2009, 18:44
Maybe I thought I could speak freely here and not be so P. C., but you cannot honestly tell me that noone agrees with the point I am making. So Sorry

And what point is it that you were trying to make?

Consider this, lad: A wise man speaks because he has something to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something.

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:46
And what point is it that you were trying to make?

Consider this, lad: A wise man speaks because he has something to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something.

The point about attracting a new type of fan, by promoting yourself in a new type of market.

Jag_Warrior
13th March 2009, 18:51
The point about attracting a new type of fan, by promoting yourself in a new type of market.

Ah. Well, whatever you do to earn a paycheck now, don't quit that job thinking that you'd make it in marketing (or public relations).

16&Gtown
13th March 2009, 18:52
Ah. Well, whatever you do to earn a paycheck now, don't quit that job thinking that you'd make it in marketing (or public relations).

Well I never planned to, or claimed to be a marketing genius. I was just making what I felt was a solid point, and was attacked for no real reason.

BoilerIMS
13th March 2009, 19:33
This thread is effectively "reset." So keep it on topic from here forward.

SportscarBruce
13th March 2009, 22:11
Note to Verses and IMSP (productions); do a highlight spot on Willy T. Ribbs, 1991.

methanolHuffer
14th March 2009, 03:09
If Charlie Wiggens had any descendants, I'd put them up somewhere they could be recognized. I don't think he does though. Maybe some descendants of his siblings, but if I recall his own children died as infants, sadly.

I don't know if the Speedway has ever acknowledged Wiggens.

garyshell
14th March 2009, 05:11
If Charlie Wiggens had any descendants, I'd put them up somewhere they could be recognized. I don't think he does though. Maybe some descendants of his siblings, but if I recall his own children died as infants, sadly.

I don't know if the Speedway has ever acknowledged Wiggens.


Just did a quick search because I had never heard that name. (I belive it is spelled Wiggins.) http://www.evansville.net/user/boneyard/babs07.htm

Gary

methanolHuffer
14th March 2009, 16:06
Just did a quick search because I had never heard that name. (I belive it is spelled Wiggins.) http://www.evansville.net/user/boneyard/babs07.htm

Gary

Thanks Gary.

I didn't know a lot of the things that were in the link you provided. More sad than I knew. And the Gold & Glory race sounds so 30's Indiana it makes me imagine.
I love all that old Indianapolis thing. Sad stuff though.

We've come a long way. I salute the Tuskeegee Airmen, where ever they might be.

Tazio
14th March 2009, 16:35
I think it's a great gesture. The 761 Tank Battalion desrves the same kind of recognition
http://aaopinion.blogspot.com/2008/06/wwii-tank-battalion-at-forefront.html

But where is the next Willy T. Ribbs?

He has currently broken out a serious can of Whip-Ass in both Super, and Motocross! His name is James Stewart .

Rex Monaco
14th March 2009, 19:02
If Charlie Wiggens had any descendants, I'd put them up somewhere they could be recognized. I don't think he does though. Maybe some descendants of his siblings, but if I recall his own children died as infants, sadly.

I don't know if the Speedway has ever acknowledged Wiggens.

Not only should he be honored by the Speedway, Hollywood should honor him by making the movie.

Thanks for honoring him here!

garyshell
14th March 2009, 22:17
Not only should he be honored by the Speedway, Hollywood should honor him by making the movie.

Thanks for honoring him here!

Your wish has already been granted, sort of.

http://razor3d.stores.yahoo.net/blackwheels.html

I stumbled across that last night when seeking the other link I posted.

Gary

SportscarBruce
14th March 2009, 22:29
I've posted what material I have concerning Willy T. Ribbs at Indy, 1991. The quality is poor due to VHS tape degrading over the years;

Willy T. Ribbs, first African-American to qualify for the Indy 500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErOnblOROJY

Chaparral66
15th March 2009, 04:15
From what I heard, the Tuskeegee Airmen are excitied to be going to Indy...

Mark in Oshawa
15th March 2009, 05:14
Charlie Wiggins sounds like someone who should be recognized FOR sure. Tuskagee Airmen I heard of but Wiggens and the 761st Tank Battalion I didn't learn about until tonight.

That said, it isn't Tony George's job to write all the wrongs in one shot. I have been a critic on occasion but on this one he is showing a lot of class and THAT is the sort of stuff that has made the 500 a great event.

Champcar4life
24th March 2009, 20:13
If my history is right, they didn't lose a single plane, or men and many where honor for their duty as the fly mission over Germany in WW II, its is one of the crowning glory in African-American history, or in American history for that matter, so it's great that they are been honor.