BBC Coverage

[ykiki]

From SPEEDtv in the US:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-speed-welcomes-formula-one-move-to-hd-in-2011/

[Mark]

I was very impressed. A few more detailed comments:

Jake Humphrey did a very capable job, but I feel he is probably still over-compensating for maybe being seen in some quarters as a children's presenter. He seemed to be trying very hard to be serious and 'proper', and came over as a little stilted as a result. I'm sure he will become very good given a short time, though.

Lee McKenzie really didn't impress me at all, not that she had much chance to. Again, probably 'first time' nerves. Ted Kravitz is very good, though, I think.

Jonathan Legard seems like an excellent choice as main commentator, though he is maybe a little verbose. I'd probably put this down to his transfer straight from radio, as of course a radio commentator has to say more in order to 'paint the pictures' than a TV equivalent. Martin Brundle was really excellent as ever, and I reckon the pairing with Legard will gel pretty quickly.

I didn't watch the post-race discussion with EJ and DC; from what we saw pre-race, maybe Jordan is a bit 'excitable', shall we say, but this is surely why he's been employed. Coulthard is exactly as good as I thought he'd be — articulate and reasoned.

All in all, a great start by the BBC, and I'm impressed how quickly the coverage has hit the spot.


Just randomly I managed to click a link and this appeared these comments from the first race of 2009. Interesting to read 2 years on!

[Dave B]

I think the final piece is about to slot into place, with Holly's replacement at Five Live likely to be Natalie Pinkham (http://www.nataliepinkham.com/).

[Dave B]

I think the final piece is about to slot into place, with Holly's replacement at Five Live likely to be Natalie Pinkham (http://www.nataliepinkham.com/).
Confirmed:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2011/01_january/13/pinkham.shtml

http://yfrog.com/h7y1vryj:iphone (http://yfrog.com/h7y1vryj)

[Flatsixrules]

I watch F1 Friday practice on Speed HD. Qualifying and race on TSN HD (Canada) which takes the BBC feed. Looking like it will all be in HD for 2011. Yeah! Just perfect for my 2010 50" Panasonic S2 Plasma. Can't wait! Personally, I didn't really have a problem with Legard. Much as I also like DC, I hope it doesn't become yet another season long Red Bull ad ... given DC's contractual affiliation with Red Bull. I'm sure the BBC will watch this very closely.

[gloomyDAY]

I think the final piece is about to slot into place, with Holly's replacement at Five Live likely to be Natalie Pinkham (http://www.nataliepinkham.com/).http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/65/28/Natalie_Pinkham_1.0.0.0x0.432x641.jpeg

I'd rock this white girl, hard.

[BDunnell]

Just randomly I managed to click a link and this appeared these comments from the first race of 2009. Interesting to read 2 years on!

Indeed! I suppose I hoped that Legard/Brundle would end up working; sadly, it didn't. Oh well!

[steveaki13]

The other day I heard a man commentating on West Ham v Birmingham City, his voice sound perfect for an F1 commentator.

His name was Johnathon Legard. ;) :D :laugh:

[Dave B]

In case anybody [else] missed it, BBC 5Live did a season preview last night with Jake Humphrey, Murray Walker and Ant Davidson. It can be downloaded from here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/cff1

:)

[ArrowsFA1]

A great show it was too, especially when Murray's phone rang just as they were talking about The Chain :p

[AndyL]

A great show it was too, especially when Murray's phone rang just as they were talking about The Chain :p

I wonder which of Murray's mates was listening to the show and decided to stitch him up... I reckon James Allen :)

[Mark]

In case anybody [else] missed it, BBC 5Live did a season preview last night with Jake Humphrey, Murray Walker and Ant Davidson. It can be downloaded from here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/cff1

:)

Dave,
Brilliant! Thanks for that. That's my drive home tonight sorted :D

[Mark]

It was indeed perfect for my drive home! One of the main themes being 'why are McLaren so slow?!'

[Sarah]

Fortunately I saw Jake mention it - it was a really good programme well done 5 live

[Dave B]

Part one of a preview show (video too this time!) with Jake, EJ, DC and - I guess I now have to call him MB.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9418556.stm

They're - rightly - not impressed with the new McLaren!

[Mark]

There's a rumour doing the rounds that the BBC is looking to get rid of it's F1 coverage from 2014 due to cost cutting.

This cannot be allowed to happen!

[BDunnell]

There's a rumour doing the rounds that the BBC is looking to get rid of it's F1 coverage from 2014 due to cost cutting.

This cannot be allowed to happen!

That and Wimbledon, in fact.

[SGWilko]

There's a rumour doing the rounds that the BBC is looking to get rid of it's F1 coverage from 2014 due to cost cutting.

This cannot be allowed to happen!

Could this be Auntie attempting to play Bernard Charles at his own game - as in, you know we have given you the best form of coverage you could hope for in the UK, now drop your price or be forced to hand it back to sub-standard commercial TV. We've been spoiled with the quality, light years ahead of ITV's half hearted tripe - the Beeb just wants it cheaper.

Well, I hope so, anyway!

[SGWilko]

That and Wimbledon, in fact.

Thank the Lord, there is only so much of Sir Cliff singing due to rain one can take every half century!!!!!

[Mark]

Thank the Lord, there is only so much of Sir Cliff singing due to rain one can take every half century!!!!!

It happened once! Let it go :p


Could this be Auntie attempting to play Bernard Charles at his own game - as in, you know we have given you the best form of coverage you could hope for in the UK, now drop your price or be forced to hand it back to sub-standard commercial TV. We've been spoiled with the quality, light years ahead of ITV's half hearted tripe - the Beeb just wants it cheaper.

Well, I hope so, anyway!

I hope so too! ITV seemingly aren't interested any more, they want the football. The BBC is the only reasonable home for it.

[Dave B]

I agree with the view that it's likely to be a negotiating ploy with Bernie, but they need to be very careful it doesn't backfire on them. ITV are starting to make profit again and have a bouquet of HD channels which could accomodate F1; Sky would snap up the rights in a heartbeat if Ecclescake relaxes the restrictions on subscription broadcasts.

The Beeb are being squeezed left right and centre at the moment: David Cameron called the prospect of cuts "delicious" (source) (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100061379/david-cameron-finds-bbc-cuts-delicious/) while new Trust chairman (and former Tory party chairman, no less) Chris Patten has predicted that "there will be all hell let loose" (source) (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/patten-i-wont-be-popular-at-the-bbc-2238682.html) when the public realise the scale of the cuts to programmes.

F1 is perceived - rightly or wrongly - as a rich sport, the BBC may feel politically pressured to distance themselves from that perception. :(

[Bezza]

They have it till 2014 at least, so few years left yet before I get seriously worried.

They can ditch Wimbledon, tennis is dull and it is only a two-week spell in July anyway.

Hopefully they will realize the worth of F1. The only sports I watch on TV (having got rid of Sky Sports) are F1 and Match of the Day on BBC with the odd live football game they may have too.

I don't watch ITV at all.

Don't get rid of my F1, BBC! Hopefully Bernie can realize the upturn in interest of F1 recently in the UK is quite closely related to the excellent contribution of the BBC and the guys who make it what it is. To lose that would be like a dagger through the heart.

[BDunnell]

The Beeb are being squeezed left right and centre at the moment: David Cameron called the prospect of cuts "delicious" (source) (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100061379/david-cameron-finds-bbc-cuts-delicious/) while new Trust chairman (and former Tory party chairman, no less) Chris Patten has predicted that "there will be all hell let loose" (source) (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/patten-i-wont-be-popular-at-the-bbc-2238682.html) when the public realise the scale of the cuts to programmes.

Patten, let's not forget, is a man who says he 'doesn't watch much television', and who was firmly booted out by his electorate in Bath in 1992, so can claim little legitimacy other than that which has been conferred upon him.

[AndyRAC]

They have it till 2014 at least, so few years left yet before I get seriously worried.

They can ditch Wimbledon, tennis is dull and it is only a two-week spell in July anyway.

Hopefully they will realize the worth of F1. The only sports I watch on TV (having got rid of Sky Sports) are F1 and Match of the Day on BBC with the odd live football game they may have too.

I don't watch ITV at all.

Don't get rid of my F1, BBC! Hopefully Bernie can realize the upturn in interest of F1 recently in the UK is quite closely related to the excellent contribution of the BBC and the guys who make it what it is. To lose that would be like a dagger through the heart.

I'm not the biggest fan of Wimbledon/tennis - but I can't imagine the Beeb dropping it. It pulls in a huge audience, plus there is all the tradition that goes with it. If it come down to a choice, then the tennis will win.
To be honest though, the Beeb's sports coverage in the main, has lost a lot in the last 10 years - concentrating far too much on football - and forgetting that they are a public service provider. They should be covering more minority/niche sports than the populist ones.

[steveaki13]

What did people think of BBC's new post Legard commentary team.

I thought DC did well and after a slightly wooden start I thought Martin Brundle slotted into his new role well.

He seems to struggle with the introduction bit when having to explain the rules and how F1 works for new audience, but once the proper action started he seemed more at home.

[MrJan]

Yeah Brundle sounded awkward with the intro bit, but once into the commentary he was his usual professional self.

[UltimateDanGTR]

I thought Brundle sounded class apart from the shakey start and DC was just as good.


Positive vibes for the future :)

[steveaki13]

Hopefully will give us a more detailed and insightful commentary on the races, rather than ramble.

One thing I hope we still hear is info about the order front to back. Sometimes commentators can over concentrate on the front (understandable of course as it is most important, but the occasional run through the order 1-24 is good too).

[truefan72]

Hopefully will give us a more detailed and insightful commentary on the races, rather than ramble.

One thing I hope we still hear is info about the order front to back. Sometimes commentators can over concentrate on the front (understandable of course as it is most important, but the occasional run through the order 1-24 is good too).

why would they when there is pretty much a permanent graphic displaying the order throughout the race?

[ArrowsFA1]

A very good start for MB & DC. I may even be tempted to stick with them for the race rather than 5Live.

[Robinho]

Brundle was great, DC seemed nicely at home, Eddie Jordan was his usual f**kwit and needs putting down asap.

Looks great in HD

[MrJan]

Why oh why oh why oh why did they keep Eddie Jordan on? What a twat!

[inimitablestoo]

Looks great in HD
Apart from that bloke from RTL with the jacket he was quite clearly wearing for a bet. I don't need that at six something in the morning :eek:

[AndyL]

Good work from MB and DC. Could be the start of something great.

[Dave B]

Commentary was very slick yet unobtrusive. HD a welcome addition but BBC picture quality still isn't up there with Sky. 4:3 safe graphics not as bad during the race as they were in qualifying.

EH still a tit, but an entertaining one.

[Daniel]

Why oh why oh why oh why did they keep Eddie Jordan on? What a twat!

Did Eddie steal a woman from you or something? He was fine IMHO.....

[Robinho]

EJ passed the entertaining idiot for me a long time. he clearly doesn't understand the sport, especially the technical side, stumbles all over his lines and those he's presenting with and is generally an embarrassment. he actually makes me angry when his random opinion is being passed off as expert analysis. he probably does more harm than good for the casual viewer who doesn't necessarily know he is talking bollocks most of the time

[MrJan]

Did Eddie steal a woman from you or something? He was fine IMHO.....

Nah, he just irritates the hell out of me and doesn't actually seem to understand much about a sport that he somehow got involved in at the highest level.

[Daniel]

Nah, he just irritates the hell out of me and doesn't actually seem to understand much about a sport that he somehow got involved in at the highest level.

I find him irritating sometimes too, but lets be honest if this was ITV coverage he'd be the best person on there bar Kravitz and of course Brundle. When I used to hear that Louise Goodman was interviewing someone who'd retired I used to get prepared to imaginarily punch something in my mind, she was just that dopey and annoying 99.99% of the time.

[Robinho]

thats 0.01% better than Jordan then already

[MrJan]

I find him irritating sometimes too, but lets be honest if this was ITV coverage he'd be the best person on there bar Kravitz and of course Brundle. When I used to hear that Louise Goodman was interviewing someone who'd retired I used to get prepared to imaginarily punch something in my mind, she was just that dopey and annoying 99.99% of the time.

But as it's not ITV coverage we're left with him just ruining what is, otherwise, a very, very accomplished presentation. EJ is the weak link IMO, he's one of the main reasons that I don't usually watch the build up or after race stuff.

[Daniel]

thats 0.01% better than Jordan then already

He's obviously a marmite person then, you either love him or hate him so lets not let this turn into a pissing competition because clearly none of us will agree.

[Robinho]

fair enough, and tbh in the Jordan F1 team days I was a huge fan, but for me that has completley failed to translate into a competent or even knowledgable broadcaster. so much so, in fact, that i have actually got off my arse (although not technically!) and complained to the BBC. a blot on an otherwise excellent team and broadcast in general for me.

i guess his charm just wore off.

[Stuart26]

MB and DC to stay for the season and lets keep EJ as whipping boy for DC the put down he got on the pit walk about during the red button forum was reall funny

[steveaki13]

Funny when EJ was saying Mercedes should have banners up shield there cars from view, then walked down to Red Bull and said " There's a proper team, they let the fans get a view and haven't put banners in the way".

Then DC said "probably because there are no cars in there Eddie"

:p

[wedge]

fair enough, and tbh in the Jordan F1 team days I was a huge fan, but for me that has completley failed to translate into a competent or even knowledgable broadcaster. so much so, in fact, that i have actually got off my arse (although not technically!) and complained to the BBC. a blot on an otherwise excellent team and broadcast in general for me.

i guess his charm just wore off.

He hasn't changed at all

_L119QisM3c

[Mark]

It sounded strange having MB as the main commentator as he'd never taken that role before. But a good first effort by the pairing.

[wedge]

It sounded strange having MB as the main commentator as he'd never taken that role before. But a good first effort by the pairing.

Didn't find it strange at all. More like relief.

Definitely can tell he doesn't like doing the intros.

[aryan]

For the first time, I watched the race live on Ten (in Australia) rather than downloading the BBC's full coverage, as I had been doing for the past few years.

So the biggest change for me, was not having EJ, as we don't get the pre and post race commentary in Australia. I have to say, I didn't miss him at all, but I did miss Jake Humphrey. I understand that the BBC is trying to keep someone entertaining in the team to make it accessible for the casual viewer, but I think they should be able to find someone better than him.

As for the main commentary, it thought it was brilliant. MB was as usual, professional and insightful, yet passionate and engaging. I thought it was a very good start for DC as well. This team can only get better with time as they get to know how to work better with each other.

Very promising, and truly enjoyable. Major thanks to the Brits who give us access to their commentary feed. Would shudder to think what would be like if a local (Aussie) team was commentating.

As for the HD part, I was actually left a bid underwhelmed. It was broadcast in 1080i with 16:9 aspect ratio here, but didn't look as good as I was hoping for.

The big decision for me will be whether to stick with Ten, or again go back to downloading the full program from the BBC. If I stick with Ten, I get to watch it live, but have to put up with ads and lack of proper pre and post-race analysis. Can't decide yet... we'll see...

[aryan]

One thing I forgot to mention: Ten's pre-race coverage in Australia was hosted by James Allen. As much as I enjoy reading his blog, it was a good reminder of why I don't want him on TV!

[Bezza]

It really annoys me that James Allen keeps hanging in there, he does the post-race interviews now so you can't get away from him!

Excellent from Brundle & Coulthard, they were very comfortable in the commentary box. Brundle just sounds a lot more assured, makes few mistakes, and when things happen doens't just say "what happened there?" which is what Legard seemed to do.

[Mark]

I think for the first time in 20 years we've got a good commentary team!

[52Paddy]

I think for the first time in 20 years we've got a good commentary team!

+ 1 :up:

EJ is the weak link and is cringe-worthy. But I still find him embarrassingly funny so I can tolerate him for a while at least.

[tmx]

Ditto, I thoroughly enjoyed watching the race this time (except for the distraction of the DRS) with the excellent commentaries, they makes good speculation and knows what they are talking about due to their obvious past career. I always enjoyed Brundle sense of humors as well that he throws in once a while. "Between 99% and 100%, how much do you think it was Rubins fault?"

[steveaki13]

"Between 99% and 100%, how much do you think it was Rubins fault?"

Definatley 99%.

Nico was at 1% fault for not being fast enough to keep well ahead. :p

[wedge]

MB and DC have been fantastic. It's like they've been doing it for years. I don't think I've heard them try to talk over each other.

Am yet to be tempted to switch to 5live!

[Sonic]

MB and DC have been fantastic. It's like they've been doing it for years. I don't think I've heard them try to talk over each other.

Am yet to be tempted to switch to 5live!

That's true. I haven't once switched feeds as I would have done this time last year.

[Sleeper]

I thin DC needs to be a bit more acertive, but I think he'll grow into the role.

[Dave B]

No EJ in China once again, I wonder if he has Visa trouble.

[steveaki13]

I thought Bruno Senna did a good job next to Jake today, maybe EJ has been replaced by a man with English as his second language.

Oh hang on it can't EJ's either surely.

[Sonic]

Why don't we get Ant down there next to Jake? The five live feed only starts a few minutes before the race, so he's not busy for the hour build up. He has an excellent way of explaining technical details in an understandable, universal, manner. Plus he's funny and forthright in his opinions.

[Somebody]

Why don't we get Ant down there next to Jake? The five live feed only starts a few minutes before the race, so he's not busy for the hour build up. He has an excellent way of explaining technical details in an understandable, universal, manner. Plus he's funny and forthright in his opinions.

The 5L feed is produced by a different company, isn't it?

[Dave B]

USP Content, yes.

[christophulus]

Jake and Crazy D doing the gridwalk? Sacrilege!

Although kudos to Jake for daring to interrupt Schumacher while DC stayed well out of the way :laugh:

[djparky]

great stuff as usual- really enjoying the HD coverage this year

[steveaki13]

Jake and Crazy D doing the gridwalk? Sacrilege!

Although kudos to Jake for daring to interrupt Schumacher while DC stayed well out of the way :laugh:

Not as brave as Martin when it comes to barging in on an interview by Tanya of German TV. :p :

[DazzlaF1]

Not as brave as Martin when it comes to barging in on an interview by Tanya of German TV. :p :

Aye, only Martin would dare barge in front of Tanya

I have to say I really am warming to the new commentary pairing too, good move BBC.

[aryan]

DC and MB are working so well together, you'd think they've been doing this for years. This is the best F1 commentary team I've ever seen in F1.

Good job BBC.

[Mark]

We have good coverage, good racing and good competition. Good times :cool:

[Ranger]

DC and MB are working so well together, you'd think they've been doing this for years. This is the best F1 commentary team I've ever seen in F1.

Good job BBC.

Absolutely. :up:

[Bezza]

We have good coverage, good racing and good competition. Good times :cool:

Absolutely :up: Therefore, **** off Murdoch!

[Mifune]

i have actually got off my arse (although not technically!) and complained to the BBC.

i guess his charm just wore off.

Amazing, just amazing. People like you don't deserve the BBC. The saddest part is you almost sound proud of yourself.
Never mind, I'm sure paying staff to deal with the petulant, ungrateful arse gravy of the likes of you is a worthwhile use of both our license fees.

[UltimateDanGTR]

^ Is that you, Mr Legard? ^

[steveaki13]

^^^^^ Wow. Where did that come from.

Oh well.

BBC doing a great job season.

Now the weathers great (here anyway) so lets all be happy.

[Mark]

Indeed. I have no clue what the above is referring to.

[steveaki13]

I think it must be going back to last season and people complaining to the Beeb about Johnathon Legard.

My best Guess.

[inimitablestoo]

Why's he paying a licence fee if he's in Japan anyway? :s

[Dave B]

Just a heads up re Turkey qualifying. It'll be on BBC2 and BBC HD, rather than 1 / 1HD.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0110ljl

Most boxes will automatically adjust their series links accordingly, but it's always worth a double-check. :)

[Mark]

:mad: I'm going to refuse to pay my licence fee due to this!!

[steveaki13]

:mad: I'm going to refuse to pay my licence fee due to this!!

Quite rightly. Its a disgrace, I think we should all write and complain.

[DazzlaF1]

Just a heads up re Turkey qualifying. It'll be on BBC2 and BBC HD, rather than 1 / 1HD.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0110ljl

Most boxes will automatically adjust their series links accordingly, but it's always worth a double-check. :)

Not a big deal really, Just a reminder though, BBC HD on Virgin is NOT channel 108 anymore, thats now BBC One HD, the original BBC HD is now channel 187

[Robinho]

Amazing, just amazing. People like you don't deserve the BBC. The saddest part is you almost sound proud of yourself.
Never mind, I'm sure paying staff to deal with the petulant, ungrateful arse gravy of the likes of you is a worthwhile use of both our license fees.

I am proud. I only complained that Eddie Jordan was spoiling their otherwise world class broadcast and that i thought several others could do the job better (i specifically referred to Chandock, but having seen Bruno Senna over the chinese gp coverage i think he could also do a good pundit job). I am truly grateful that i can see F1 in HD on terrestrial television and from what i have seen i think the coverage is second to none, despite Eddie Jordan, and China was even better than normal because of his absence.

I'm not sure what it is you are freaking out about, but as a licence holder i have the right to complain as much as anyone else who buys a product. EJ is the waste of money, i'd rather pay towards backroom staff than towards sending that ignorant halfwitted little twerp round the world to contradict every other reasoned opinion on the programme.

so you can keep your "people like you" and "petulant, ungrateful arse gravy" insults and come back when you are capable of reasoned arguement.

I really don't understand what you are getting so animated for?

[MrJan]

Amazing, just amazing. People like you don't deserve the BBC. The saddest part is you almost sound proud of yourself.
Never mind, I'm sure paying staff to deal with the petulant, ungrateful arse gravy of the likes of you is a worthwhile use of both our license fees.

wtf? People that don't like EJ don't deserve the BBC? Anyone who pays their license fee is entitled to a voice, YOU don't get to determine how anyone else uses that voice. The BBC is a public service for which we all pay, therefore we all have a right to complain if we feel it's not up to scratch.

Incidentally how much is the license fee in Osaka?

[UltimateDanGTR]

so it was EJ, not Legard. My mistake.

[steveaki13]

so it was EJ, not Legard. My mistake.

Don't worry I made the same mistake.

[D28]

My TV carrier (TSN) for some reason, carried half the Spanish GP with SpeedTV crew, David Hobbs and friends, and the 2nd half with BBC, Martin Brundle and David Coulthard. If nothing else, it provided a great comparison as to commentary.
I would have to say the BBC crew were hands down winners. SpeedTV commentators missed a few points in an very complicated race with all the pit stops. They also carried quite a few more commercials which missed some of the lead changes.
I am left wondering if Hobbs and partners were actually at the track, or simply watching monitors in the US. Anyone know?
The normal program on TSN is the BBC team, I think they do a fine job. This does not include pre-race commentary, I don't hear Eddie Jordan, just the actual race commentary. I have no complaints, except I find Brundle's accent hard to understand sometimes; but given the audience, that is more my problem then his. I have the race taped and can replay any commentary I don't understand.

[wedge]

For the BBC Forum, I'd rather they go back to Brundle et al discussing. Feels a bit wrong on Brundle missing out on debates.

[Norwegian Blue]

'Look But Never Stare'... Not quite got used to that yet! Great programme as always though!

[truefan72]

My TV carrier (TSN) for some reason, carried half the Spanish GP with SpeedTV crew, David Hobbs and friends, and the 2nd half with BBC, Martin Brundle and David Coulthard. If nothing else, it provided a great comparison as to commentary.
I would have to say the BBC crew were hands down winners. SpeedTV commentators missed a few points in an very complicated race with all the pit stops. They also carried quite a few more commercials which missed some of the lead changes.
I am left wondering if Hobbs and partners were actually at the track, or simply watching monitors in the US. Anyone know?
The normal program on TSN is the BBC team, I think they do a fine job. This does not include pre-race commentary, I don't hear Eddie Jordan, just the actual race commentary. I have no complaints, except I find Brundle's accent hard to understand sometimes; but given the audience, that is more my problem then his. I have the race taped and can replay any commentary I don't understand.

they are not at the track and consequently don't get access to the more detailed timing screens the media guys get, nor a nice view of the track from the broadcast center at the race. It is a shame though since I do like the crew, but I bet you that Speed TV (owned by Fox) probably don't want to pay the cost of sending a crew to the races, and subsequently the broadcast suffers. I suspect that is why they broadcast the race on a 10 minute delay so that they actually have a little buffer room from the folks to get stuff right and seemingly stay on top of things

[Mark]

At one point in the race the TV director cut away from the battle with Alonso, but Brundle was able to confirm the overtake was complete as he could see it out of the window n

[Dave B]

For the BBC Forum, I'd rather they go back to Brundle et al discussing. Feels a bit wrong on Brundle missing out on debates.
True. His "tactics truck" doesn't really work, but I guess it's a function of having the forum out in the open rather than in a hospitality area with lots of monitors and facilities. Swings and roundabouts: they do seem to be able to grab more interviews this way, but lose out on the race analysis somewhat.


At one point in the race the TV director cut away from the battle with Alonso, but Brundle was able to confirm the overtake was complete as he could see it out of the window n
The direction was below the usual high standard, but it'll still be a million miles better than next weekend at Monaco - unless you like having a Zepter advertising hoarding taking up 50% of your screen at the start of every other shot.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

'Look But Never Stare'... Not quite got used to that yet! Great programme as always though!

I think it can be a nice catchphrase for him. :)

Like Charlie Cox's 'Revs are up and we're ready for a start'.

[MrJan]

I think it can be a nice catchphrase for him. :)

Like Charlie Cox's 'Revs are up and we're ready for a start'.

Yeah he obviously decided that being the main commentator he needs a catchphrase, like Murray's "go go go" and Allen's "gooooooooooooo". I quite like it, it's a commentators catchphrase but with a driver's knowledge.....and in my head he's just talking about boobs :cheese:

[Mark]

As long as he doesn't use it for every single race - it would be rather tiresome!

At least it's not boogity boogity boogity. :crazy:

[Dave B]

and in my head he's just talking about boobs :cheese:

Oh thanks. You've ruined it for me. I'll have that image in my head from now on. :p

[MrJan]

Oh thanks. You've ruined it for me. I'll have that image in my head from now on. :p

In what way has that ruined it for you?!!! ;)

[D28]

The direction was below the usual high standard, but it'll still be a million miles better than next weekend at Monaco - unless you like having a Zepter advertising hoarding taking up 50% of your screen at the start of every other shot.

That was also my impression of the Spanish GP. The director missed at least one position change among the leaders by cutting to something else. The assumption seems to be that any car entering the pits is noteworthy, even if it is a tail-ender; for me anyway, this is not the case.

[inimitablestoo]

At least it's not boogity boogity boogity. :crazy:
Nowt wrong with ol' DW. In fact, when F1 goes back to the US, can we get him in as a guest third commentator? :p :

Perhaps instead of a catchphrase, Brundle could try the old DJ tactic of trying to talk up to the start of the record (race) without crashing the vocals (cars leaving the grid).

[truefan72]

As long as he doesn't use it for every single race - it would be rather tiresome!

At least it's not boogity boogity boogity. :crazy:

lol

[The Black Knight]

I am in plenty of ways a big fan of the BBC coverage but in other ways I’m not a fan. I love the onboard comparisons they make in qualifying. It shows exactly how close these guys are in speed and how just that little bit can make a huge difference.

In fairness to DC he has sort of come out in support of Schumacher in recent races and said that he feel he deserves the right to decide when it is time to hang up his helmet. But I do feel at time they are very biased towards him. Eddie Jordan I do not believe is a good pundit. For a man that is so successful he can be an awful eejit at times.

The commentary during a race then I’m not so huge on. They tend to miss a lot of things happening on the circuit.

Also, what’s the deal with the director? I think it was when Webber overtook Alonso last Sunday they switched to the start finish straight where absolutely nothing was happening. They also ignored the fight for first and second and concentrated on 3rd and 4th for around half hour of the race when 1st and 2nd place fight was much closer. A bit ridiculous. I believe that is the fault of FOM and not BBC though.

[steveaki13]

Yes its whoever FOM choose as there director. It often seems to be the same guy at each race, or they hire directors with an equally wayward approach from each country we visit.

[AndyL]

The commentary during a race then I’m not so huge on. They tend to miss a lot of things happening on the circuit.

I think that's a bit harsh. IMO they are missing less than previous commentators have, despite the races being much more eventful this year.

I think the possibility that EJ is an eejit may have been mentioned previously ;) He gets everyone talking though doesn't he, so if you subscribe to the theory that there's no such thing as bad publicity then he's doing a great job :)

[Mark]

It's not as bad as it used to be. Back in the day the directors would be from the local TV company, with instructions to show the race catering for the local market. So in Spain you'd see nothing but Alonso, in Germany nothing but Schumacher, etc.

[BDunnell]

It's not as bad as it used to be. Back in the day the directors would be from the local TV company, with instructions to show the race catering for the local market. So in Spain you'd see nothing but Alonso, in Germany nothing but Schumacher, etc.

Or you'd get a director so concerned not to miss anything happening to the leader that they would focus on them to the detriment of what else was going on, no matter how far in front they were.

[Mark]

Or you'd get a director so concerned not to miss anything happening to the leader that they would focus on them to the detriment of what else was going on, no matter how far in front they were.

I believe back in the bad old days of the early 2000's where the world feed was deliberately crippled to make us subscribe to the digital pay per view (even though it wasn't actually available!) There was a contractual requirement for the director to show certain proportion of each car, depending on position in the race and constructors championship ranking from the previous year. This meant they often spent a long time showing cars where nothing was happening, and missing action elsewhere.

[The Black Knight]

I think that's a bit harsh. IMO they are missing less than previous commentators have, despite the races being much more eventful this year.

I think the possibility that EJ is an eejit may have been mentioned previously ;) He gets everyone talking though doesn't he, so if you subscribe to the theory that there's no such thing as bad publicity then he's doing a great job :)

My main issue with the commentary, especially last year, was their tendency to be biased against Schumacher. Brundle’s obvious grudge against him with comments such as in Silverstone last year when Vettel hustled past him where he said something along the lines of “That’s no more than the treatment Schumacher has dished out through the years coming back at him” and other silly rants as that turned me off listening to BBC. I’d expect better professionalism from a BBC commentator. Brundle seems to have toned it down this year a little though but he has had one or two moments of unwarranted criticism. DC has been doing a very good job and, to his credit, he seems to be more neutral, which is what I’d expect from him.

I agree that is probably EJ’s role, the joker of the pack a such. It is entertainment after all. Sometimes listening to him babbling on just infuriates me.

[BDunnell]

My main issue with the commentary, especially last year, was their tendency to be biased towards Schumacher.

I think you mean 'biased against', don't you?

[The Black Knight]

I think you mean 'biased against', don't you?

Yeah ;)

[Mark]

I like the role EJ plays in that he speaks his mind - even if it's a lot of nonsense sometimes. We already have enough people who are afraid to speak out and tow the corporate line and be diplomatic the entire time.

[MrJan]

My main issue with the commentary, especially last year, was their tendency to be biased against Schumacher. Brundle’s obvious grudge against him with comments such as in Silverstone last year when Vettel hustled past him where he said something along the lines of “That’s no more than the treatment Schumacher has dished out through the years coming back at him” and other silly rants as that turned me off listening to BBC. I’d expect better professionalism from a BBC commentator. Brundle seems to have toned it down this year a little though but he has had one or two moments of unwarranted criticism. DC has been doing a very good job and, to his credit, he seems to be more neutral, which is what I’d expect from him.

I agree that is probably EJ’s role, the joker of the pack a such. It is entertainment after all. Sometimes listening to him babbling on just infuriates me.

I'm not quite sure how you see that Brundle comment as biased, Schumacher HAS made some strong passes in the past. Also DC does love his old Red Bull team.

[Dave B]

It's not as bad as it used to be. Back in the day the directors would be from the local TV company, with instructions to show the race catering for the local market. So in Spain you'd see nothing but Alonso, in Germany nothing but Schumacher, etc.

Monaco next - the last remaing race to use a local crew. I hope I'm wrong, but be prepared for almost every shot starting with an advertising hoarding taking up 50% of your screen. By the end of the race you'll be sick of Zepter, Martini et al.

[MrJan]

I like the role EJ plays in that he speaks his mind

Sadly he has the mind of an idiot ;)

I'm happy to have someone that speaks their mind but EJ isn't it. The grid interview with Peter Schmeichel in Spain is a great example of how he isn't cut out for this game. He spouted a complete load of nonsense (literally, I didn't have a clue what his actual question was) that just left the interviewee dumbfounded. Most of all the question he was trying to ask wasn't actually interesting because he was trying to compare football and F1 (something about teams and....I dunno). He also still doesn't appreciate the whole idea of TV, I didn't see it but as JH was wrapping up the gridwalk (no doubt with the director yapping in his ear) EJ was tugging at his hand trying to get him to interview someone. After 18 months in the job I'd have thought he'd have grasped the concept of time and how these things work.

[The Black Knight]

I'm not quite sure how you see that Brundle comment as biased, Schumacher HAS made some strong passes in the past. Also DC does love his old Red Bull team.

Sure he has made some strong passes, all great champion of the sport have, but that comment was more vindictive than stating the facts. It was said with a “serves you right Schumi” attitude which is biased against Schumi. Again, this is not something I’d expect from a professional commentator. Brundle always focuses on the negative when it comes to Schumacher, not the positive. In the end he’s just a man that couldn’t live with the fact that Schumacher was quicker than him.

DC Is still an advisor to RBR isn't he?

[MrJan]

I think you're being far too precious here. Brundle has spent years fawning over how good a driver Schumacher is and talking about the way his mind works in a way different to most drivers. Far from him focusing on the negative, I think it's YOU that has focused on what he's saying that is negative.

[MrMetro]

I've found myself to really like the pairing of Brundle and DC. Pre-season, I didn't think it was going to work out, but in fact, it is quite the opposite :)

[The Black Knight]

I think you're being far too precious here. Brundle has spent years fawning over how good a driver Schumacher is and talking about the way his mind works in a way different to most drivers. Far from him focusing on the negative, I think it's YOU that has focused on what he's saying that is negative.

You're welcome to your opinion, but to me it has been clear for years that Brundle has a bee in his bonnet over Schumacher. He has to focus on the positive at some point but as an overall his attitude to Schumacher is extremely negative. I am not denying he hasn't praised him high at times but if the opportunity to have a dig at him arises then he will give it his best.

[AndyL]

Sure he has made some strong passes, all great champion of the sport have, but that comment was more vindictive than stating the facts. It was said with a “serves you right Schumi” attitude which is biased against Schumi. Again, this is not something I’d expect from a professional commentator. Brundle always focuses on the negative when it comes to Schumacher, not the positive. In the end he’s just a man that couldn’t live with the fact that Schumacher was quicker than him.

Or someone who remembers what Schumacher dished out to Hill and Villeneuve (just to offer an alternative point of view). A relatively neutral comment can appear biased in one direction or the other depending on where it lies relative to one's own sympathies.
Commentators shouldn't avoid expressing their own opinions simply because some people will disagree. It's not unprofessional. A commentary that contained only facts would be very dry.

[MrJan]

if the opportunity to have a dig at him arises then he will give it his best.

I don't think that's any different to the majority of the drivers on the grid, he's thrown in some pretty meaty criticism to a lot of others. Everyone loves Rubens but Brundle will be sharp about him, likewise Massa. Shirley part of being objective is criticising as well as praising, the difference being that Brundle has quite a sharp wit so his digs will seem a bit harsh.

[The Black Knight]

I don't think that's any different to the majority of the drivers on the grid, he's thrown in some pretty meaty criticism to a lot of others. Everyone loves Rubens but Brundle will be sharp about him, likewise Massa. Shirley part of being objective is criticising as well as praising, the difference being that Brundle has quite a sharp wit so his digs will seem a bit harsh.

The one thing I will say about Brundle is that he said at the start of the year he believes Schumacher should be given more time. I agree with this and I don't believe Schuey would be driving if he didn't believe he had another championship in him.

I don't find the Brundle's opinion balanced in general, but as you say he has the ability to surprise and praise him every now and then. There is a reason Schumacher won't give interviews to him, the two never got a long so I don't believe it is ever possible for Brundle to be objective towards Schuey.

[BDunnell]

You're welcome to your opinion, but to me it has been clear for years that Brundle has a bee in his bonnet over Schumacher.

In that case — and I disagree with you, having always considered Brundle to be a scrupulously fair commentator — he is hardly unique in holding that view.

[BDunnell]

I don't find the Brundle's opinion balanced in general, but as you say he has the ability to surprise and praise him every now and then. There is a reason Schumacher won't give interviews to him, the two never got a long so I don't believe it is ever possible for Brundle to be objective towards Schuey.

You are wrong in that statement. Brundle has spoken in interviews of how they got along fine at Benetton and for some years after, until Schumacher read something negative he thought Brundle had written about him. In fact, he had written nothing of the sort.

[The Black Knight]

You are wrong in that statement. Brundle has spoken in interviews of how they got along fine at Benetton and for some years after, until Schumacher read something negative he thought Brundle had written about him. In fact, he had written nothing of the sort.

Really? In that case, Please, do enlighten me as to what he actually said then... :)

[MrJan]

I don't believe Schuey would be driving if he didn't believe he had another championship in him.

And for that reason he should be committed (ie to a home). Did you see the interview that he did with Lee McKenzie before Barcelona? He said that there is no evidence to Nico being quicker!! FFS he's being comprehensively trrounced in all areas, from first practice on a Friday right through to the end of the race.

I'd love for MS to still have it and to take the fight to the big boys, but it's just not happening. And that retracing of steps over taking no joy in racing was awful. It was clear that he meant in general, not just for the race at Turkey.

[BDunnell]

Really? In that case, Ppease, do enlighten me as to what he actually said then... :)

Yes, really. I have no idea what the comment was that caused offence, though.

[steveaki13]

Yes, really. I have no idea what the comment was that caused offence, though.

This is from memory, I haven't looked it all up that would take days.

Watching Martins Grid walks in 1999 and 2000 era, he interviewed Schuey a few times before the race on the Grid. Then there was some issue raised around 2002 as far as I remember Schumi disliked something Brundle said about the need for team orders and the whole issue around Barrichello moving over while Schumi was so far ahead in the Championship. He also had a rift with Ross Brawn over the same issue and they are now good friends.

Then in later years Schumacher had an exclusive Grid Contract or something like that to a German TV Company thus didn't give interviews to anyone else on the grid.

I have also got Interviews somewhere of the two talking pre race on the ITV build up show and not to wear out the point I remember Brundle saying a few times while on a flights home from a races their paths crossed and they chatted about there Benetton days and alike all in the later 2000's

All in all I don't think there has been much of an issue between the two other than one turning into a member of the press and one not being so open and friendly with him as a result.

[The Black Knight]

And for that reason he should be committed (ie to a home). Did you see the interview that he did with Lee McKenzie before Barcelona? He said that there is no evidence to Nico being quicker!! FFS he's being comprehensively trrounced in all areas, from first practice on a Friday right through to the end of the race.

I'd love for MS to still have it and to take the fight to the big boys, but it's just not happening. And that retracing of steps over taking no joy in racing was awful. It was clear that he meant in general, not just for the race at Turkey.

When I watched that interview it was very clear to me that he said "The big joy is not there at the moment". If he said it is not there anymore than I'd have taken it as I'm going to retire soon talk. However, he said "at the moment" so it seems pretty clear to me that it was his performances and car he was talking about.

Regards MS form, he and Nico have been very close in pace throughout the year. Schumacher has had bad luck but it Turkey it was his own fault for overdoing it into turn one. I don't believe the gap between them is as huge as it seems right now but you're right, Nico is still quicker and Schumacher has to start responding in Monaco.

[The Black Knight]

Yes, really. I have no idea what the comment was that caused offence, though.

Well then you can't really know that he said "nothing of the sort" then, can you?

[BDunnell]

Well then you can't really know that he said "nothing of the sort" then, can you?

Yes, because Brundle himself has said he made no such comments, and that's good enough for me. I find him a rather more believable character than many in F1. And bias, let me remind you, is (almost) always in the eye of the beholder.

[The Black Knight]

This is from memory, I haven't looked it all up that would take days.

Watching Martins Grid walks in 1999 and 2000 era, he interviewed Schuey a few times before the race on the Grid. Then there was some issue raised around 2002 as far as I remember Schumi disliked something Brundle said about the need for team orders and the whole issue around Barrichello moving over while Schumi was so far ahead in the Championship. He also had a rift with Ross Brawn over the same issue and they are now good friends.

Then in later years Schumacher had an exclusive Grid Contract or something like that to a German TV Company thus didn't give interviews to anyone else on the grid.

I have also got Interviews somewhere of the two talking pre race on the ITV build up show and not to wear out the point I remember Brundle saying a few times while on a flights home from a races their paths crossed and they chatted about there Benetton days and alike all in the later 2000's

All in all I don't think there has been much of an issue between the two other than one turning into a member of the press and one not being so open and friendly with him as a result.

I've heard many explanations for the apparent "bad blood" between them but this would make more sense than anything. If there is an issue it very well may be unfounded. Either way, I still don't find MB's analysis of Schuey very balanced, but I'll take the points made in this thread into consideration in the future, as it is quite possible that I myself jump the gun without realising it in regards to MS bias as BDunnell pointed out.

[MrJan]

as it is quite possible that I myself jump the gun without realising it in regards to MS bias as BDunnell pointed out.

It's very easily done. A lot of fans of the football team that I support have a huge chip on their shoulder about the amount of media coverage that the club gets. In truth though it's simply because there aren't as many people interested in hearing about Exeter City as there are about Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton etc. But sometimes it can be very difficult to form an objective opinion.

[BDunnell]

I've heard many explanations for the apparent "bad blood" between them but this would make more sense than anything. If there is an issue it very well may be unfounded. Either way, I still don't find MB's analysis of Schuey very balanced, but I'll take the points made in this thread into consideration in the future, as it is quite possible that I myself jump the gun without realising it in regards to MS bias as BDunnell pointed out.

If only everyone was so courteous in such debates!

[Mark]

MB on Schumi
"That didn't work! You hit the wrong part of him my friend"

[wedge]

Watching Martins Grid walks in 1999 and 2000 era, he interviewed Schuey a few times before the race on the Grid. Then there was some issue raised around 2002 as far as I remember Schumi disliked something Brundle said about the need for team orders and the whole issue around Barrichello moving over while Schumi was so far ahead in the Championship. He also had a rift with Ross Brawn over the same issue and they are now good friends.

It was because Brundle criticised Schumi on racing his brother, significantly at Nurburgring in 2003 when Schumi squeezed Ralf into the wall.

[steveaki13]

It was because Brundle criticised Schumi on racing his brother, significantly at Nurburgring in 2003 when Schumi squeezed Ralf into the wall.

Forgot about that as well.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Monaco next - the last remaing race to use a local crew. I hope I'm wrong, but be prepared for almost every shot starting with an advertising hoarding taking up 50% of your screen. By the end of the race you'll be sick of Zepter, Martini et al.

I watched Free Practice with this in mind as I've never noticed it before. But you are correct. Every single shot has a massive advertising hoarding taking up half the screen. But which came first? The camara position or the advertising board?

[AndyL]

The moment the BBC coverage has been building up to for two and a half years :D

[Dave B]

EJ losing his glasses at the bottom of Red Bull's pool. Priceless.

[steveaki13]

He then bent over the pool once he was out to look at the bottom. How stupid can you get. :crazy:

[steveaki13]

DC in now, what about Brundle

[BDunnell]

I could have done without the terribly smug, self-satisfied opening to the programme today. But the commentary was first-rate, save for Brundle apparently labouring under the misapprehension that it was Senna trying to pass Mansell in 1992, not vice versa.

[Dave B]

He then bent over the pool once he was out to look at the bottom. How stupid can you get. :crazy:

You reckon? More like EJ's the sort who likes being pushed in because he's the centre of attention. He didn't exactly protest, unlike DC who latched himself onto a barrier and looked like he was about to physically fight off Vettel to avoid a dunking!

[The Black Knight]

I could have done without the terribly smug, self-satisfied opening to the programme today. But the commentary was first-rate, save for Brundle apparently labouring under the misapprehension that it was Senna trying to pass Mansell in 1992, not vice versa.

I have to agree. I thought the commentary today was superb. They were on top of everything.

[Mark]

You reckon? More like EJ's the sort who likes being pushed in because he's the centre of attention. He didn't exactly protest, unlike DC who latched himself onto a barrier and looked like he was about to physically fight off Vettel to avoid a dunking!

I would hope they wouldn't have a mobile on them: just in case!

[steveaki13]

EJ found his glasses according to Jake on Twitter. ha

[Ranger]

BBC managed to keep up the entertainment for 4+ hours of race coverage.

The best its ever been, methinks.

[steveaki13]

Yes. It must be hard to find what to keep talking about for a 2 hour stoppage. I thought they may be losing it when talking about how good Martin's dancing was drunk at parties.

But they did very well and worth the wait.

[AndyL]

I enjoyed MB's and DC's efforts to keep themselves entertained during the stoppage :) And kudos to the BBC for sticking with it and generally doing a great job. But... I was a little disappointed there was no red button forum. If there was ever a race that needed the F1 forum to work out what the hell just happened it was this one.

[The Black Knight]

I enjoyed MB's and DC's efforts to keep themselves entertained during the stoppage :) And kudos to the BBC for sticking with it and generally doing a great job. But... I was a little disappointed there was no red button forum. If there was ever a race that needed the F1 forum to work out what the hell just happened it was this one.

They had a plane to catch I'm afraid...

[AndyL]

They had a plane to catch I'm afraid...

No doubt, and I'm sure they weren't the only ones. Perhaps they could have done what Nico does though, and done a video chat in the car on the way to the airport :)

[Mark]

You would imagine they'd stay overnight after the race, but then do that for every single race and it soon adds up!

[wedge]

Yes. It must be hard to find what to keep talking about for a 2 hour stoppage. I thought they may be losing it when talking about how good Martin's dancing was drunk at parties.

But they did very well and worth the wait.

I caught up with Moto GP and NASCAR.

The red flag stoppages is where the BBC F1 deserves the BAFTA. Judging by the text commentary I missed out on a few laughs last night.

[555-04Q2]

The break in the race was so exciting that I fell asleep and woke up on lap 52. You can imagine how I tried in my groggy state to work out how the race had unfolded and who was where. It was only after I watched the taping after the race that I learnt of the Button/Alonso incident etc.

[555-04Q2]

I caught up with NASCAR.

That statement would get you shot in my household :p :

[Sarah]

BBC managed to keep up the entertainment for 4+ hours of race coverage.

The best its ever been, methinks.

I agree Martin, DC and the rest of the team did well with the "Big Phil"

[CNR]

Is it the last chequered flag for Formula One on BBC? TV chiefs set to axe motor racing to save digital channels
BBC chiefs set to axe motor racing to save digital channels | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005473/BBC-chiefs-set-axe-motor-racing-save-digital-channels.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

[Dave B]

Digital Spy Forums - View Single Post - BBC F1 Coverage - 2011 Season: The Verdict (Part 2) (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=50873503&postcount=2736)

That excellent post deconstructs some of the BS in the Times article on which the Mail one seems to be based.

[steveaki13]

I hope F1 stays on the BBC as I think their currant coverage is way better than the ITV and previous BBC coverage.

Lets hope its not as likely as the paper reports say.

700 people complained about Anitques Roadshow being cancelled, I wonder why I don't watch the programme but even so I believe this was a repeat scheduled.

Also how many complaints would they have got if they had cut the race from their channels. several thousand I would have thought.

Any live event has to take priority over a repeat of a series.

[Dave B]

Jake tweets:

Lots of 'Sunday Times' questions. SO MANY inaccuracies in that article. F1 does incredible business on the BBC-it's spiritual home! #bbcf1

[steveaki13]

Telling us the real situation or the blind leading the blind.

[CNR]

McLaren principal Martin Whitmarsh hits out at claims BBC could axe Formula One coverage to save money - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/mclaren/8585473/McLaren-principal-Martin-Whitmarsh-hits-out-at-claims-BBC-could-axe-Formula-One-coverage-to-save-money.html)

It is understood that the average BBC viewership so far this year is 4.8 million with the last race in Canada, won by Briton Jenson Button on the final lap, attaining a peak audience of 8.3 million.

Q: how the heck did so maney know that Jenson Button would win on the final lap ?

they also forget that the bbc coverage of f1 is onsold to other countrys

[aryan]

McLaren principal Martin Whitmarsh hits out at claims BBC could axe Formula One coverage to save money - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/mclaren/8585473/McLaren-principal-Martin-Whitmarsh-hits-out-at-claims-BBC-could-axe-Formula-One-coverage-to-save-money.html)
they also forget that the bbc coverage of f1 is onsold to other countrys

And we love them here in the colonies, even if our stupid channels insert ads into them.

The DC/MB team has to be right up there among the best in the history of F1 coverage. They kept me entertained and awake during stoppage from 2 AM to 4AM. Not many things can claim that!

[Mark]

It's fairly clear that the Sunday Times is trying to stir up trouble such that Sky will get the rights.

As said above they mention the costs, but not the income.

[tommy2k8]

I think it will happen I'm afraid. Wimbledon seems to be valued more than F1. I just hope it doesn't go to Sky.

[555-04Q2]

I prefer watching fuel being burnt to watching grass grow.

[tommy2k8]

So do I!

[intheway]

I think it will happen I'm afraid. Wimbledon seems to be valued more than F1. I just hope it doesn't go to Sky.

Couldn't agree more, and really hate being pessimistic, but... giving up Wimbledon is the REALLY unlikely story. If it comes down to a choice, I don't think they'll agonise to long over it - Wimbledon will win out every time.

[SGWilko]

Couldn't agree more, and really hate being pessimistic, but... giving up Wimbledon is the REALLY unlikely story. If it comes down to a choice, I don't think they'll agonise to long over it - Wimbledon will win out every time.

Could not the BBC Trust wise up, and pay less for both Wimbledon (where the Brits don't stand a rats backside chance of winning this decade anyway) and F1, where we do and have had a British WDC covered by the Beeb.

Besides, didn't Auntie do a uturn of scrapping BBC6 music channel due to public demand? How many folk listen to that?

[SGWilko]

I prefer watching fuel being burnt to watching grass grow.

You should come and watch the wall to wall traffic jam of buses on Regent street for a prime example of money being pi55ed up the wall. Quite why trams were ever ditched in London is beyond me - probably that tw!t Beeching no doubt..... :)

[555-04Q2]

You should come and watch the wall to wall traffic jam of buses on Regent street for a prime example of money being pi55ed up the wall. Quite why trams were ever ditched in London is beyond me - probably that tw!t Beeching no doubt..... :)

Thats not the kind of fuel burning that gets me excited though :p :

[raphael_2]

ITV took the coverage to a whole new level when they took over from the BBC in 1997, and then the BBC took it to a whole new level when they took over in 2009. It would be really hard to swallow if we went back to ITV and had adverts, however I would much prefer this than it going to Sky. That would be a disaster. Bernie, and the teams, appear to realise how important that the sport remains on free TV, so I hope they can come to some sort of agreement.

From what I understand, the viewing figures this season averages 5m, and that is with 3 races that have been when everyone would normally be in bed! That is a pretty impressive statistic, so it would seem a bit short sighted for the BBC to get rid of the Formula 1, in order to keep shows on BBc4 that never even get 1m viewers. And as mentioned, some of the money spent is made back from selling their coverage abroad, how much, we don't know, but that is a calculation that should be taken into account!

[RS]

It's fairly clear that the Sunday Times is trying to stir up trouble such that Sky will get the rights.


No... surely not from cuddly Mr Murdoch and the organisation which brought us the phone hacking scandal?

Even going by the figures on the digital spy post though each race does seem to cost the beeb a fair bit. Could a commercial channel such as ITV or Sky really make a go of it on those figures?

[BDunnell]

Could not the BBC Trust wise up, and pay less for both Wimbledon (where the Brits don't stand a rats backside chance of winning this decade anyway) and F1, where we do and have had a British WDC covered by the Beeb.

Besides, didn't Auntie do a uturn of scrapping BBC6 music channel due to public demand? How many folk listen to that?

Or the BBC could concentrate on genuine quality broadcasting, which means retaining as much of its excellent sports coverage, retaining the better minority stations/channels such as 6Music and BBC4 (the latter of which really is a gem), and doing away with almost all daytime programming and BBC3, once described memorably by Private Eye as 'the channel where you're never more than half an hour away from a repeat of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps."

[Dave B]

Bernie's come out (oo-er) in favour of the BBC, according to the Daily Mail:


'We want Formula One to stay free to viewers', F1 supremo Ecclestone said.

'That is 100 per cent. The BBC have done a great job for us and we like their shows and the people obviously like it because so many are watching.

'They did warn me that they were facing problems but, so far, nothing more has been said. I hope they want to keep us because it is such a success and I will do my best to keep Formula One on the BBC.'


Source: Bernie Ecclestone wants Formula One to stay on the BBC | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2005786/Bernie-Ecclestone-wants-Formula-One-stay-BBC.html)

[Dave B]

Or the BBC could concentrate on genuine quality broadcasting, which means retaining as much of its excellent sports coverage, retaining the better minority stations/channels such as 6Music and BBC4 (the latter of which really is a gem), and doing away with almost all daytime programming and BBC3, once described memorably by Private Eye as 'the channel where you're never more than half an hour away from a repeat of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps."

I agree with all of that, but must come to the defence of the beleagured BBC3. Like you, I find almost all* of its content awful; but the age group which it's aimed at are often licence-fee payers too, particularly the students, and as such have every right to expect programming which suits them.

*There have been some notable exceptions: they do occasionally produce some genuine public service programming about addiction and abuse; and Young Doctors - Your Life In Their Hands was excellent.

[raphael_2]

Yes, pretty short sighted view by BDunnell - of BBC 3 and BBC 4 I would want to see BBC 3 kept on. The shows on BBC4 are of no interest to me, however I don't think I am ignorant enough to say that the content of that channel is rubbish. I know that to a lot of people it is of great interest.

[inimitablestoo]

BBC3 - the BBC's attempt to do E4, the channel for young people, without actually understanding what a young person is.

It would be quite funny to see Bernie agree a multi-million dollar deal with Sky however - and then let the BBC have exactly the same coverage for a knock-down price ;)

[yodasarmpit]

I have to say the BBC coverage since taking over from ITV has been fantastic, full qualifying, Race, and the option to view Practice sessions, all without adverts.
In addition the current commentary team are pretty damned good, including Eddie for the fun factor.

I wouldn't have any issues with it moving to Sky, or any other broadcaster, with the exception of the introduction of adverts - something which killed the coverage on ITV, when they would inadvertently place an ad ten laps from the end - grrrrrr

[Dave B]

If F1 moved to Sky TV I'd have to watch a foreign broadcast on the internet or an illegal stream as I would never purchase Sky. I love F1 and have been watching it for 23 years or so, but I would not be forced into spending £50 p/m on a TV package that I didn't need just to watch a race every couple of weeks. If Bernie puts money before the fans like he usually does, it'll be a sport I'd have to give up which is rather depressing.

I must admit that's my thinking too. If they put it on Sky One or similar it wouldn't be a problem, but Sky Sports is mentally expensive considering I don't have any interest in its other offerings. I could just about put up with PPV at a fiver or so per weekend, but not the £20 extra (plus another tenner if you want HD) for Sky Sports. I reckon I'd spend Sundays avoiding the results then torrent the thing overnight to watch on Monday evening. :s

[intheway]

In addition the current commentary team are pretty damned good, including Eddie for the fun factor.

Or the negativity factor. I really want to like him, especially after what he did in the 90's, but I'm afraid I'm struggling.

[The Black Knight]

I honestly believe that the BBC Coverage will stay with BBC. Bernie realises the importance of having F1 free to air for all its viewers and Bernie usually gets what he wants. He will make a deal with the BBC to help them keep F1 as free to air I'm sure.

Let us hope it doesn't go back to ITV. They were a disaster, in my opinion. I never watched their coverage as it was awful. BBC coverage is the best we've ever had, in my opinion.

[Dave B]

I honestly believe that the BBC Coverage will stay with BBC. Bernie realises the importance of having F1 free to air for all its viewers and Bernie usually gets what he wants. He will make a deal with the BBC to help them keep F1 as free to air I'm sure.

Let us hope it doesn't go back to ITV. They were a disaster, in my opinion. I never watched their coverage as it was awful. BBC coverage is the best we've ever had, in my opinion.
I honestly believe it will go to Sky. They have money, in fact they have a higher turnover than the BBC now. Their MO is to buy existing and successful formats - whether they be shows like Glee or Mad Men, or sports like cricket or football - and use them to lure viewers away from other broadcasters.

The BBC are being used as a political football, and won't want to be seen funding what's generally perceived as a rich sport in a time of cutbacks. It's sickening: the new BBC Trust chairman is an ex Conservative Party chairman (who has already made clear that he wants to see channels and services cut); meanwhile the PM has only this week had yet more cosy meetings with Rupert Murdoch (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/20/david-cameron-speech-at-rupert-murdoch-hq)as the takeover of BSkyB edges towards being rubber-stamped by a Culture Secretaty who despite having to be impartial is on record (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/12/murdoch-decision-hunt-news) praising the tycoon. This is all happening while one of his newspapers stands accused of phone hacking on an industrial scale, allegedly partly overseen by the man who until recently was Cameron's media spokesman; and the Met Police stand accused of bowing to political pressure not to act. Honestly, if you wrote that as a crime novel people would dismiss it as being too far-fetched.

[Dave B]

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[AndyRAC]

It's vitally important that the BBC keep hold of the F1. If they lost it, they won't replace it with another Motorsport - so we'd only have MotoGP on 'normal TV'. Not good....

[Dave B]

It's vitally important that the BBC keep hold of the F1. If they lost it, they won't replace it with another Motorsport - so we'd only have MotoGP on 'normal TV'. Not good....

Not entirely true: we'd still have BTCC on ITV4, which is on Freeview, which is fast becoming "normal TV". But I take your point... :)

[Dave B]

By the way, here's a point which I don't think has been raised. If the BBC are paying £40M p/a for Formula One, it doesn't follow that they'd save £40M by not renewing the contract. They'd still have to show something, and that something would have a cost. Even old repeats have a cost to air.

Ignoring all the red-button stuff, F1 still takes up about 4 or 5 hours of BBC1 per race weekend, so that's 80 - 100 hours of airtime to fill. That ain't gonna be cheap.

[AndyL]

I wouldn't have any issues with it moving to Sky, or any other broadcaster, with the exception of the introduction of adverts - something which killed the coverage on ITV, when they would inadvertently place an ad ten laps from the end - grrrrrr

Or return from adverts half way through the final lap, as they did on one occasion.

[AndyRAC]

By the way, here's a point which I don't think has been raised. If the BBC are paying £40M p/a for Formula One, it doesn't follow that they'd save £40M by not renewing the contract. They'd still have to show something, and that something would have a cost. Even old repeats have a cost to air.

Ignoring all the red-button stuff, F1 still takes up about 4 or 5 hours of BBC1 per race weekend, so that's 80 - 100 hours of airtime to fill. That ain't gonna be cheap.

Probably a new reality programme: Pets have got Talent; Pets can't cook, won't cook.....

[Dave B]

I may have said this before, but this is my ideal fantasy: the proposed consortium of News Corps and Ferrari buy F1, and the rights go to Sky. The other teams form a breakaway series and sell the rights to the BBC. Sky viewers are left paying £400 a year to watch Alonso and Massa tool round by themselves, while the rest of us carry on as usual but safe from DiMontezemelo's whinging. :D

[The Black Knight]

I may have said this before, but this is my ideal fantasy: the proposed consortium of News Corps and Ferrari buy F1, and the rights go to Sky. The other teams form a breakaway series and sell the rights to the BBC. Sky viewers are left paying £400 a year to watch Alonso and Massa tool round by themselves, while the rest of us carry on as usual but safe from DiMontezemelo's whinging. :D
This would be my ideal scenario. Ferrari - a cancer on F1. I'd love to see them given the finger. F1 doesn't need them.

[AndyL]

Wow. How did you get from this


Maybe a start of a decline. It's hard to tell. I really feel the Ferrari team has lacked massive direction since Schumacher left. All the hard work that Ferrari did during the years of Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher appears to gradually being undone over the last few years.

to this


Ferrari - a cancer on F1. I'd love to see them given the finger. F1 doesn't need them.

in less than a month?

[steveaki13]

Wow. How did you get from this



to this



in less than a month?

personality transplant.

[steveaki13]

Or return from adverts half way through the final lap, as they did on one occasion.

San Marino 2005.

The epice battle between Alonso and Schumacher ruwined. (To quote Stewie from Family Guy).

[UltimateDanGTR]

This would be my ideal scenario. Ferrari - a cancer on F1. I'd love to see them given the finger. F1 doesn't need them.

that's it, you tell 'em Lewis. :s pin:

[The Black Knight]

Wow. How did you get from this



to this



in less than a month?

Oh I always felt that way. I used to follow Schumacher and not even mind Ferrari at one stage. However, I feel that they are getting too many concessions and that they mouth off too much. Luca is well able to mouth off about anything in the sport, threatening breakaway series etc. If he wants a breakaway then he should just go take Ferrari and make one and stop making these bullsh*t threats. Almost anytime there is some conflict of interest with them, such as the double diffuser incident or any sort of incident regarding the courts in F1, Ferrari are nearly always involved somewhere with it. I honestly believe F1 would be just as well off without them. It might initially lose some fans but ultimately the majority of people would come back and watch it if exciting.

It's like when Schumacher retired. People were like, what next? Who next? Then along came a certain Lewis Hamilton and grabbed a lot of people's interest. You can substitute a driver and you can also substitute a team. If Ferrari left their loss would not be felt in two or three years time, in my opinion.

[BDunnell]

I honestly believe it will go to Sky. They have money, in fact they have a higher turnover than the BBC now. Their MO is to buy existing and successful formats - whether they be shows like Glee or Mad Men, or sports like cricket or football - and use them to lure viewers away from other broadcasters.

The BBC are being used as a political football, and won't want to be seen funding what's generally perceived as a rich sport in a time of cutbacks. It's sickening: the new BBC Trust chairman is an ex Conservative Party chairman (who has already made clear that he wants to see channels and services cut); meanwhile the PM has only this week had yet more cosy meetings with Rupert Murdoch (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/20/david-cameron-speech-at-rupert-murdoch-hq)as the takeover of BSkyB edges towards being rubber-stamped by a Culture Secretaty who despite having to be impartial is on record (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/12/murdoch-decision-hunt-news) praising the tycoon. This is all happening while one of his newspapers stands accused of phone hacking on an industrial scale, allegedly partly overseen by the man who until recently was Cameron's media spokesman; and the Met Police stand accused of bowing to political pressure not to act. Honestly, if you wrote that as a crime novel people would dismiss it as being too far-fetched.

The same Met Police, let's not forget, some of whose corrupt officers allowed journalists access to the police national computer — a fact all but unreported in all recent discussion of the subject, just as was the fact of BT employees bugging their employer's junction boxes, being found out and let off with a warning. But I digress.

[BDunnell]

Probably a new reality programme: Pets have got Talent; Pets can't cook, won't cook.....

Can't Cook Pets, Won't Cook Pets, in which a group of celebrities steadfastly refuses to grill a kitten.

[The Black Knight]

F1 does need them because of the sheer amount of fans they bring to the sport, just like they need McLaren, Williams, Mercedes etc. Thats a pretty strong view you have there I must say.

Well read my above post, I don't believe F1 would be that badly off without them at all. It would live on and it might end up better for the sport in the end.

I really don't believe F1 needs Ferrari. Ferrari need F1 far more than the other way around.

[steveaki13]

I think F1 would survive without Ferrari but I personally wouldn't want Ferrari to leave F1.

They bring a passion and common link between nations where fans of the prancing horse reside.

I am not a massive Ferrari fan from race to race, but I think its clear alot would be lost should Ferrari leave.

Right we should get back to BBC coverage. As this is probably not the thread to discuss Ferrari.

[steveaki13]

I just want to voice a quick rant.

I have been at work all day today and listened to practice one on the radio.

I went to listen to second practice, but just found 2 or 3 channels around 5 live playing tennis. I mean 2 channels playing tennis all day, and they can not find an hour and a half to broadcast F1.

Then I came home and wanted to watch the two sessions on replay on the Red Button, but there is no F1 replay because their only 3 streams feeding Wimbledon Tennis, and they are all washed out by the rain. So 3 streams showing nothing but rain and no F1 replay.

Checked a few times this evening and still no sign of F1 just tennis.

Disgrace.

I can watch Tennis, but to just show that and not any coverage of another major sporting event when they had the means is not on.

I haven't looked for a while so it may well now be on, but its to late for me.

[steveaki13]

Agree.

As you say the issue is that with Tennis on BBC 1 and BBC 2 then on 3 streams of the red button, why they can't open just one more stream to show the re run of F1 practice is beyond me.

They only ran 3 Red Button streams yesterday when there was a wealth of sport on Tennis and F1 but said they only had capacity to show Tennis, yet when there is nothing much on they have 4 or 5 streams of all sorts.

Very strange

[SGWilko]

I just want to voice a quick rant.

I have been at work all day today and listened to practice one on the radio.

I went to listen to second practice, but just found 2 or 3 channels around 5 live playing tennis. I mean 2 channels playing tennis all day, and they can not find an hour and a half to broadcast F1.

Then I came home and wanted to watch the two sessions on replay on the Red Button, but there is no F1 replay because their only 3 streams feeding Wimbledon Tennis, and they are all washed out by the rain. So 3 streams showing nothing but rain and no F1 replay.

Checked a few times this evening and still no sign of F1 just tennis.

Disgrace.

I can watch Tennis, but to just show that and not any coverage of another major sporting event when they had the means is not on.

I haven't looked for a while so it may well now be on, but its to late for me.

Given that a repeat of antiques roadshow being postponed due to extended coverage of F1, last night My Family was postponed due to th Murray match, do you suppose 700 odd saddo's will write in to complain?

[Mark]

No because Tennis is worthy unlike Motorsport which is wasteful.

[Dave B]

My Family should be postponed until at least 2040.

[steveaki13]

Given that a repeat of antiques roadshow being postponed due to extended coverage of F1, last night My Family was postponed due to th Murray match, do you suppose 700 odd saddo's will write in to complain?

No way because BBC show so much Tennis around Wimbledon that it must be the ony thing that is worth watching.

[steveaki13]

My Family should be postponed until at least 2040.


Harsh ..... ish.

I enjoyed the first few seasons, when Nick the eldest son was around, he was great. Since then though with unfunny relations popping up it needs to be scrapped.

[Mark]

It has been

[The Black Knight]

BBC Commentary was alright this weekend.

DC would want to open his eyes. He referred back to Spa 98, something he does a lot, saying clearly the old magic was still there when he saw MS with a broken wing overtake Sutil when clearly Sutil had simply ran wide. Clearly there was no magic here and the two incidents were nothing alike. Idiotic commentary like that from DC just makes me want to punch him.

[inimitablestoo]

My Family should be postponed until at least 2040.
Given my record with the ladies, I think my family has been postponed until at least 2040... :s

[The Black Knight]

I only got to watch the race on TV this morning. Was Brundle supposed to be doing some laps of an F1 car in the pre race analysis or was that supposed to be for one of the coming races? I only skipped through the race and vaguely remember him mentioning this at some stage I thought.

[Mark]

He said it was for an upcoming feature, I guess during the British GP

[CNR]

Channel 4 enters F1 race | News | Broadcast (http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/channel-4/channel-4-enters-f1-race/5029364.article)


Channel 4 has opened discussions to acquire the TV rights to Formula 1 when the BBC’s deal expires in two years time.


Bosses at C4 are understood to be eyeing the sport as a means of attracting the young male audience.

The broadcaster has also won the rights to broadcast the 2012 Paralympics and Paralympic World Cup, as well as the IAAF World Athletic Championships from the BBC.


;)

[inimitablestoo]

I wouldn't mind seeing C4 give it a go. Given how long they've been showing British F3 and GT (1999 to present) I think we could safely assume they would be prepared to make a long-term commitment to it.

[wedge]

No Eggheads on BBC2 last night because of tennis. BBC are disgrace!


I wouldn't mind seeing C4 give it a go. Given how long they've been showing British F3 and GT (1999 to present) I think we could safely assume they would be prepared to make a long-term commitment to it.

I wouldn't. They'll quickly grow bored of it and the quality will diminish as with every other sport they showed.

[Somebody]

C4 don't have the cash. If Bernie was willing to drop to the amount they could afford, the Beeb wouldn't even have to consider dropping it.

What Martin Whitmarsh has suggested today, though (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/06/f1-isnt-going-anywhere-without-the-teams-says-whitmarsh/), is a return to the two-tier feed of the early 2000s - a basic feed for free-to-air (presumably the idea being to convince the Beeb to stay on with a reduced price), and a more expensive "data-rich" feed for the likes of Sky to squeeze more money out overall...

[Mark]

Channel 4 took on the WRC then lost interest and dropped it. Much like they did with Tour de France. Ch 4 isn't a proper sports channel it seems to get coverage on a whim and drop it just as quickly.

[steveaki13]

Can't help but feel as unlikley as it is that Channel 4 will get F1, if it did happen it would be a very bad idea for F1.

[AndyRAC]

Channel 4 took on the WRC then lost interest and dropped it. Much like they did with Tour de France. Ch 4 isn't a proper sports channel it seems to get coverage on a whim and drop it just as quickly.

Quite agree. There was a time when Saturday mornings from 7-12 on Channel 4 were nothing but sport. Transworld Sport, Racing, Motorsport, Football Italia - but then they decided to move what sport they had for pre 7 o'clock. Replaced by 'yoof' tv and endless Friends repeats........

[intheway]

DC would want to open his eyes. He referred back to Spa 98, something he does a lot, saying clearly the old magic was still there when he saw MS with a broken wing overtake Sutil when clearly Sutil had simply ran wide. Clearly there was no magic here and the two incidents were nothing alike. Idiotic commentary like that from DC just makes me want to punch him.

I'm pretty sure that comment wasn't meant 100% as such - DC is incredibly sharp, he knew damn well Sutil ran wide. He was slightly taking the piss more than anything.

[Dave B]

It's sickening: the new BBC Trust chairman is an ex Conservative Party chairman (who has already made clear that he wants to see channels and services cut); meanwhile the PM has only this week had yet more cosy meetings with Rupert Murdoch (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/20/david-cameron-speech-at-rupert-murdoch-hq)as the takeover of BSkyB edges towards being rubber-stamped by a Culture Secretaty who despite having to be impartial is on record (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/12/murdoch-decision-hunt-news) praising the tycoon. This is all happening while one of his newspapers stands accused of phone hacking on an industrial scale, allegedly partly overseen by the man who until recently was Cameron's media spokesman; and the Met Police stand accused of bowing to political pressure not to act. Honestly, if you wrote that as a crime novel people would dismiss it as being too far-fetched.

As is now becoming all too apparent.

[SGWilko]

With the end of the NOTW, what are all the brain dead British meatheads going to do on a Sunday morning in between eating their fry-ups and bashing the wife about?

Oh yes, fear not, because the Scum will run for seven days............

[AndyL]

Oh yes, fear not, because the Scum will run for seven days............

www.thesunonsunday.co.uk (http://www.thesunonsunday.co.uk) - registered 2 days before they announced they were closing the NotW... you heard it here first ;)

[SGWilko]

www.thesunonsunday.co.uk (http://www.thesunonsunday.co.uk) - registered 2 days before they announced they were closing the NotW... you heard it here first ;)

Huge Grant mentioned this on Question Time last night.....

[AndyL]

Huge Grant mentioned this on Question Time last night.....

Did he, he must have read my comment about it on Facebook yesterday ;)

[Dave B]

Not strictly BBC related but just how awesome is that wire mounted camera at Silverstone?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Not strictly BBC related but just how awesome is that wire mounted camera at Silverstone?

It will look sweet during the race.

[Dave B]

Garry, your favourite commentator is on the red button for FP3!

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Yay! Murray!

I wish they got him in for the race.

[Sarah]

FP3 with Murray was great

[intheway]

FP3 with Murray was great

Yeah, he's still got it! It was cool when Brundle handed over to Murray at the end, and Murray totally switched into commentary mode.

[Daniel]

I have to say I thought Murray sounded a little past it at the end of Quali though.

[christophulus]

I have to say I thought Murray sounded a little past it at the end of Quali though.

Nice for a bit of nostalgia though. He is 87 after all!

[Retro Formula 1]

Garry, your favourite commentator is on the red button for FP3!

I was thinking exactly the same :D

Was great to hear the old boy again. Strangely reassuring.

[Dave B]

Murray's back on the red button :)

[steveaki13]

I agree with what he says as well.

[Dave B]

An hour post-qually, and this red button forum with Murray Walker, Damon Hill, and proper technical debate.

Anyone still think F1 should head to Sky?

[christophulus]

An hour post-qually, and this red button forum with Murray Walker, Damon Hill, and proper technical debate.

Anyone still think F1 should head to Sky?

Maybe they could hack into the teams' radio transmissions? :p

[Dave B]

Nice work!

[steveaki13]

Its good to see many different views on all issues.

Drivers who want to win.

Team owners and managers who want a team result.

A commentator who has seen it all happen before.

And a presenter who is at the level of the average fans.

[Mark]

Indeed the race finished before 3pm and it's now 4pm and the coverage is still going. I'm sure Sky would terminate the coverage straight after the podium ceremony.

I still remember the dark days of ITV coverage when they were in such a hurry to end the coverage they often didn't even bother showing the drivers press conference!

[steveaki13]

Indeed the race finished before 3pm and it's now 4pm and the coverage is still going. I'm sure Sky would terminate the coverage straight after the podium ceremony.

I still remember the dark days of ITV coverage when they were in such a hurry to end the coverage they often didn't even bother showing the drivers press conference!

They were dark days, straight to ads after the race and then onto a repeat of Quincy or whatever. Terrible.

[555-04Q2]

Loved the wire camera views today :up:

[SGWilko]

Maybe they could hack into the teams' radio transmissions? :p

I lost my phone the other day, so could not pick up my voice messges - luckily, the NOTW emailed them to me! :laugh:

[tommy2k8]

I do love F1, but, even though there is going to be highlights, what is the point of showing half a World Championship on the BBC?

I've just read that Sky are going to be showing the races ad-free!

[tommy2k8]

Say no more!

Formula One could have stayed on terrestrial TV but Channel 4 bid was snubbed - mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/13/formula-one-could-have-stayed-on-terrestrial-tv-but-channel-4-bid-was-snubbed-115875-23340542/#.TkaAhEJu-Mc.twitter)

[si_10011]

Is it official coverage of BBC?

[tommy2k8]

No, it would have been Ch4's coverage, but now we've got Sky's

[wedge]

Say no more!

Formula One could have stayed on terrestrial TV but Channel 4 bid was snubbed - mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/13/formula-one-could-have-stayed-on-terrestrial-tv-but-channel-4-bid-was-snubbed-115875-23340542/#.TkaAhEJu-Mc.twitter)

Seems like Sky/Bernie more likely to be the fall guys out of this whole affair

[tommy2k8]

This is what I don't understand:

Bernie said, when ITV won the contract in 1996 and Sky approached him before that, he would never let F1 be on a subscription channel.
Ch4 and Sky offer the same money, and considering everyone can get ch4 and it's free, ?????!

Doesn't make sense

[Mark]

Apparently yes Channel 4 offered the same as Sky but BBC put extra money into the pot which made the Sky+BBC bid higher than the Ch4 one.

[wedge]

This is what I don't understand:

Bernie said, when ITV won the contract in 1996 and Sky approached him before that, he would never let F1 be on a subscription channel.
Ch4 and Sky offer the same money, and considering everyone can get ch4 and it's free, ?????!

Doesn't make sense

According to James Allen the BBC own free-to-air rights so Ch4 would have compromised their position and instead wanting to deal with Sky. Which means Auntie isn't so innocent out of this whole affair as has been implied.