Locations of starts & finishes of 2008 rallies

[Kaps]

Does anyone know the locations of starts & finishes of the folowing 2008 rallies:

Jordan
Acropolis
Turkey
New Zealand
Catalunya
Japan

Thank you!

[Kaps]

I've just found out that 2008 Monte Carlo did not start in Monte Carlo, but in Valence instead.
Is that correct, and is it the 1st time that the rally didn't start in Monte Carlo?

[jonkka]

What do you mean with "start"? The location of TC0?

[muscrae]

Does anyone know the locations of starts & finishes of the folowing 2008 rallies:

Turkey


Start: Akdeniz University SSS
Finish: Kemer Service Park

Both start and finish is within the boundaries of the biggest holiday city of Turkey, called Antalya.

I hope that's what you mean...

[tolis]

Start: Under the Acropolis.
Finish: Tatoi SSS

[Kaps]

Thanks muscrae & tolis!

@jonkka: I don't know really, when is a car "officially" considered to have started a rally?

Is it at the ceremonial start-ramp, at TC 0, or at the start of the first stage? I really don't know, what do you think about that?

For example, on Eurosport, they've kept saying this year's Rally Ireland started at Enniskillen.
Was there a ceremonial start, or the start of the 1st stage, or both, or none of the two...?

[jonkka]

Definitely not the start of the first stage. Location of the TC0 seems to vary. In Ireland ceremonial start was at Enniskillen from 19:30 onwards in Thursday but TC0 was in Sligo next day from 07:25 onwards. In Norway, where they had Super Special in Thursday, they probably had TC0 at ceremonial start (it's not listed in itinerary).

What comes to FIA rules, when crew is required to make a start in order to qualify (like in so-and-so-many-starts in certain championships in 1990's), crossing the start ramp was enough.

[Kaps]

Hmm, so I reckon that ceremonial start is what we're looking for, then.

I believe that's what Tjeerd used to have as start on his site too.

[Fred Gallagher]

If we want to keep a complete record then ceremonial start and TC0 should be specified.

Rally GB 2008 - Ceremonial start - Cardiff
TC0 - Swansea
Finish - Cardiff

Rally Ireland 2009 - Ceremonial Start - Enniskillen
TC0 - Sligo
Finish - Sligo

A crew that has a problem on shakedown can be allowed by the stewards not to have their car at the ceremonial start. However the crew (in overalls) must walk over the podium. There have also been rare occasions when stewards have excused someone (illness etc).

There is no parc ferme after a ceremonial start and cars can be trailered to TC0.

Fred

[Kaps]

So, with everything said here so far, I think we can agree that taking the ceremonial start (with or without the car) should be considered as a start to the rally?

Thanks very much for your contribution Mr. Gallagher!

And taking all this into consideration, is it right then that 2008 Monte Carlo have started in Valence?

[jonkka]

And taking all this into consideration, is it right then that 2008 Monte Carlo have started in Valence?

Yes, TC0 was in Valence.

[wwbroe]

Yes, TC0 was in Valence.

I don't think so, both ceremonial start and TC0 were in Monaco, they even did three special stages before arriving in Valence at the end of day 1. ;)

[jonkka]

I don't think so, both ceremonial start and TC0 were in Monaco, they even did three special stages before arriving in Valence at the end of day 1. ;)

I read if from official itinerary - I can't re-check as I am at work now but I'll try to remember when I get back home.

[Kaps]

So, did you check this?

[jonkka]

So, did you check this?

Yes, I did (now, when I read this and remembered). TC0 was at Valence:

0 VALENCE - START DAY 1 17:30
1 ST JEAN EN ROYANS 59,80 59,80 1:13 18:43
SS 01 ST JEAN EN ROYANS - COL DE LA CHAU 28,12 18:46

PS: If you look at MC website, there is an archive for 2008 but left-side links all point to 2009 edition (only small nav bar links work for 2008 but none of those have itinerary). I think WWBROE looked there and mistook the 2009 itinerary for 2008 (there were just 2 stages before first service in 2008, not three like this year, which is a giveaway for wrong year as well).

[Kaps]

Ok, thanks!

So, now we've finally established that the 2008 Monte Carlo started at Valence.

[jonkka]

Does anyone know the locations of starts & finishes of the folowing 2008 rallies:

Jordan
Acropolis
Turkey
New Zealand
Catalunya
Japan

Thank you!

And here are the rest:

Jordan:
Ceremonial Start - Thursday April 24, 2008 Emaar South Park / Dead Sea 18:00
TC0 Start Day1 - Dead Sea Service OUT / Refuel 08:00 (Apr 25th)

Acropolis:
THURSDAY 29 MAY 2008
Ceremonial Start from ACROPOLIS 19:30
DAY 1 - FRIDAY 30 MAY 2008
TC0 TATOI Start -Service Park Exit 08:15

Turkey:
START DAY 1 - Thursday, 12th June 2008
TC0 KEMER SERVICE OUT 16:10

NZ:
CEREMONIAL START - THURSDAY 28 AUGUST 2008
Ceremonial Start, Hood Street, Hamilton City 18:30
START DAY 1 - FRIDAY 29 AUGUST 2008
TC0 Start Day One - Mystery Creek 8:20

Catalunya:
CEREMONIAL START Thursday 2 October 2008
Podium Salou 20:00
DAY 1 Friday 3 October 2008
TC0 Service OUT - PortAventura (0,00) (0,00) (0,00) 7:30

Japan:
Sorry, this itinerary I don't seem to have.

[jonkka]

A bit difficult to read, those are copied from original itineraries (PDF's won't make copying easy)

[Kaps]

Thanks a lot mate!

[wwbroe]

Yes, I did (now, when I read this and remembered). TC0 was at Valence:

0 VALENCE - START DAY 1 17:30
1 ST JEAN EN ROYANS 59,80 59,80 1:13 18:43
SS 01 ST JEAN EN ROYANS - COL DE LA CHAU 28,12 18:46

PS: If you look at MC website, there is an archive for 2008 but left-side links all point to 2009 edition (only small nav bar links work for 2008 but none of those have itinerary). I think WWBROE looked there and mistook the 2009 itinerary for 2008 (there were just 2 stages before first service in 2008, not three like this year, which is a giveaway for wrong year as well).

Sorry about that, i was thinking you guys were talking about this year's Monte Carlo. As i was there, i wondered why TC0 should have been in Valence. :D Sorry about misinterpretation and you are right offcourse about 2008 Monte. :D