Le Mans 2009

[harvick#1]

http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/actu/2009-01-29_GD_3634_gb.html


82 entries have been issued for Lemans only 55 to race, and 44 of those entries have been made by LMP1 and LMP2 teams :D

this ought to be another excellent race like last year

[chryby]

start list for 24h le mans 2009:

http://www.sport5.cz/content/view/1507/1/

[Tom206wrc]

SIMPLY FANTASTIC EDITION this year !!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

[wedge]

What's happened to Dome?

[Tom206wrc]

What's happened to Dome?



Apparently Eco Racing sent their entry too late !!! :mark:

[harvick#1]

So Pescarolo is gonna have a Peugeot,

this may be an even better race than last years, a shame Ferrari has a huge list to the Porsche's in GT2

[MJW]

Is Petter driving for ORECA?

[harvick#1]

http://www.mariantic.co.uk/lmp/images/gors.jpg

sweet

[FormerFF]

That is a very impressive field. It ought to be a phenomenal race.

[Tom206wrc]

Is Petter driving for ORECA?




I really hope so !!!! Le Mans need more media-attractive(and talented in the same way)drivers !!!! :)

[rob01]

I cant wait for Le Mans.
Cant wait to see how well Vitaphone do with there porsche.

[Tom206wrc]

I cant wait for Le Mans.
Cant wait to see how well Vitaphone do with there porsche.



As a british I guess you should also be eager to seeing the factory Aston-Martin LMP1 ;)

[MJW]

As a british I guess you should also be eager to seeing the factory Aston-Martin LMP1 ;)
As a rallyman I am hoping to see Petter with Oreca and the Prodrive AM's do well

[rob01]

As a british I guess you should also be eager to seeing the factory Aston-Martin LMP1 ;)

I certainly am! I cant wait!

[El Sween]

Wow what a line up. I wish I could go this year.

[harvick#1]

I'm very very very tempted, but can't afford it :(

[alleskids]

http://www.mariantic.co.uk/lmp/images/gors.jpg

sweet

It is the Porsche Spyder of Van Merksteijn Motorsport, who won the 2008 Le Mans with this car. The power has been brought down to 440 hp. The drivers will be Sacha Maassen, Seiji Ara and Keisuke Kunimoto.

[fireblade1000]

Hey,
Was thinking of making my first trip to le mans this year just wanted to know from any of you that have traveled to the race before whats the best way to get to the circuit once i fly in to paris.
Is there a train station at le mans?
Would appreciate any help you can offer.

[wbcobrar]

I just notised Chris Dyson's name come up as a driver in the P2 MG Lola 265C run by RML . I love this driver!!!! Good luck and Godspeed!!!

[harvick#1]

Team Kolles Audi R10 Livery, (with R15 wing supports)

http://www.gt-eins.at/cms/images/stories/2009/lms/kolles_audi_2.jpg
http://www.gt-eins.at/cms/images/stories/2009/lms/kolles_audi_1.jpg

driver line-up

#14: Andrew Meyrick, Charles Zwolsman, Michael Krumm
#15: Christian Bakkerud, Christijan Albers, Narain Karthikeyan

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Sweeeet!!

[jimclark]

Hey,
Was thinking of making my first trip to le mans this year just wanted to know from any of you that have traveled to the race before whats the best way to get to the circuit once i fly in to paris.
Is there a train station at le mans?
Would appreciate any help you can offer.

You might want to try...

http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php

or...

http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/acces_gb.html

[Tom206wrc]

At last, we have entered the week of the 2009 1000km of Spa-Francorchamps !!! :bounce:


The race will be to be followed on http://www.ris-timing.be/ while pics and reports will be without doubts on http://www.endurance-info.com and http://www.motorsport.com/ :)



Edit: hopefully any live-streaming of the race could also be on http://www.race-rally.be/ :confused:

[jslone]

It is an impressive field to be sure,but I would like to see more GT cars in the field.

[harvick#1]

well, after reviewing the LMS race at Spa, it still seems the new rules are not enough and the Audi and Peugeot will be around 3-4 seconds a lap faster at La Sarthe. Aston Martin, Pescarolo, and Oreca are gonna need a huge miracle for any shot to get better than 7th overall :(

[alleskids]

Aston Martin has a secret weapon: Jos Verstappen has signed for the team :)

[F1boat]

Honestly Pug ruled Spa and I think that ACO should stop trying to ruin them and Audi... this is becoming like F1...

[rob01]

they arent trying to ruin Peugeot or Audi, they dominate over the petrol cars so of course they need slowing down.
it needs to be fair, everyone on equal terms.

i dont understand how you think its like f1 though? especially looking how things are this year.

[Tom206wrc]

Crew of the third Aston-Martin LMP1 for Le Mans known since today !!!! Jos Verstappen-Stewart Hall-Anthony Davidson !!! :bounce:

[rob01]

thats a strong line-up the third aston has got.

i really hope the dervs and petrols are level in terms of performance, i dont want those Audi's walking off into the distance!

[F1boat]

they arent trying to ruin Peugeot or Audi, they dominate over the petrol cars so of course they need slowing down.
it needs to be fair, everyone on equal terms.

i dont understand how you think its like f1 though? especially looking how things are this year.

IMO it is cheesy to change the rules when two competitors have an advantage... I am sure that even if diesels are banned, Pug and Audi will be the best - when they build the new cars. To change things mid-season is very bad IMO.
The other thing is to limit design with restrictive rules, like in F1 or Rolex. I don't want this. We have too many racing series where cars are on "equal terms"...

[LeonBrooke]

IMO it is cheesy to change the rules when two competitors have an advantage... I am sure that even if diesels are banned, Pug and Audi will be the best - when they build the new cars. To change things mid-season is very bad IMO.
The other thing is to limit design with restrictive rules, like in F1 or Rolex. I don't want this. We have too many racing series where cars are on "equal terms"...

The point is that they run a different fuel. If they ran petrol they would no doubt run into the distance still, but that would be okay because they'd all be to the same rules. It's not about pegging back the fast cars, it's about equalising two very different sorts of cars.

[F1boat]

If the diesel is allowed, they were clever to use it. IMO it is wrong to penalize them for being smart...

[Tom206wrc]

Vanina Ickx will run with Jamie Campbell-Walter in the Creation LMP1... ;)

Good to have a feminine presence again :p :

[Oli_M]

Does anyone know when (or even if!) the complete final driver line ups will be posted? Alternatively, do you know the line ups for the 3 Audis and Peugeots?

[Tom206wrc]

Does anyone know when (or even if!) the complete final driver line ups will be posted? Alternatively, do you know the line ups for the 3 Audis and Peugeots?


Audi didn't comunicate their line-up yet me thinks :confused:

Peugeot line-up:
#7 Lamy-Minassian-Klien
#8 Sarrazin-Bourdais-Montagny
#9 Brabham-Wurz-Gené
#17(under Pescarolo livery) Pagenaud-Boullion-Tréluyer



About the Audi R15s line-up in fact you take the same drivers of last year, but you replace Biela and Pirro by Dumas and Bernhardt ;)

[LeonBrooke]

If the diesel is allowed, they were clever to use it. IMO it is wrong to penalize them for being smart...

You misunderstand - it's not pegging back faster cars, it's trying to equalise two different sets of rules which were meant to be equal all along.

[F1boat]

You misunderstand - it's not pegging back faster cars, it's trying to equalise two different sets of rules which were meant to be equal all along.

IMO if this is done, it should be said what will be the new rules NOW for the NEXT season.

[wmcot]

If the diesel is allowed, they were clever to use it. IMO it is wrong to penalize them for being smart...

Exactly! Nobody is stopping all the other teams from building diesels. Let's not "dumb down" sports car racing, too! If some of the "let's all be equal" fans had their way, all the entrants would be driving the sportscar version of NASCAR's "Car of Tomorrow." :(

[wmcot]

IMO if this is done, it should be said what will be the new rules NOW for the NEXT season.

Perhaps there should be a "D1" class for diesels?

[harvick#1]

cars are arriving and they look beautiful :D

The Essex Porsche sportin some lively colors, like the BP squad in the ALMS
http://www.pitlane-vision.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=482:la-journee-du-vendredi-sur-le-circuit-&catid=42:gazette&Itemid=119

especially the Audi :D
http://www.pitlane-vision.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=480:les-premieres-photos-de-laudi-r15-tdi-&catid=42:gazette&Itemid=119

[harvick#1]

the odds placed on the LMP field

http://lastturnclub.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=601&Itemid=1

[jimclark]

Exactly! Nobody is stopping all the other teams from building diesels. Let's not "dumb down" sports car racing, too! If some of the "let's all be equal" fans had their way, all the entrants would be driving the sportscar version of NASCAR's "Car of Tomorrow." :(

Watcha mean??? :?:
They already exist! :!:

Do you forget? They're called Daytona Prototypes. :rolleyes:

:D

[Tom206wrc]

We have entered THE big week !!!! :bounce:


Today early afternoon scruteneering for the Audi Sport Team and the stunning new R15s ;)

[harvick#1]

Peugeot is protesting the Audi camp (can't translate because I dont know french)

http://www.endurance-info.com/version2/actualite-endurance-1481.html

also Peugeot with a quick change in with the front end
http://www.pitlane-vision.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=507:le-pesage-continue-&catid=42:gazette&Itemid=119

[wmcot]

Watcha mean??? :?:
They already exist! :!:

Do you forget? They're called Daytona Prototypes. :rolleyes:

:D

Very true...and very boring!

[Sleeper]

Wow, that Ginetta-Zytec is bright!

[Sleeper]

If the diesel is allowed, they were clever to use it. IMO it is wrong to penalize them for being smart...
The problem is the rules have been set up in the diesels favour since 2006 making it impossible for the privateers to compete on equal terms, they are over 100hp down in some cases and because of the nature of diesels only a major manufacturer could creat them. Peugeot and Audi are also very reluctant to let other teams use their cars for some reason, which actually makes the Pescarolo and Kolles cars something of a surprise.

[Tom206wrc]

Many pics of monday/tuesday scrutineering on http://www.motorsport.com/photos/series.asp?Y=2009&S=LEMANS :bounce:


This evening start 6 hours of free testing(from 6.00pm gmt+2) and results will be on http://www.lemans.org/ :)

[harvick#1]

who has the lists of websites to live audio and vids for mac users: I cant get radio Lemans on mine bacause it sayd I dont have a source to play it, even after I downloaded the WMP for mac, but that wouldn't open either because there was no app for that to work.

[harvick#1]

so far in practice, it is raining, and once again Audi is by far the clear favorite in the rain running laps near 7-10 seconds faster than anyone else.

in dry times: audi #1 and #2 are the top two with a 3 tenths lead on #9 Peugeot

[harvick#1]

so far in practice, it is raining, and once again Audi is by far the clear favorite in the rain running laps near 7-10 seconds faster than anyone else.


I'll scratch that, Bourdais is flying in the rain, unless the track is drying

[Tom206wrc]

Today from 7.00pm to 11.00pm(gmt+2) qualifying practice(on dry according to weather forecast) :)

[mbr]

Does anyone know whats happened to the Lambo it just says on Planetlemans
Lambo gone and Alphand Corvettes reworking incorrectley installed roll cages?

[jimclark]

Just getting up...'listenin' to RLM? They have no word?

[wedge]

R15 officially legal


http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=331772&FS=ALMS-LEMANS

[BoilerIMS]

The Radio Le Mans stream is:

http://tx.sharp-stream.com/tune.php?c=radioshowltd&.waxr

I opened it with a generic media player, since the RLM website player did not work on my linux PC at the office.

[harvick#1]

link doesnt work for me,

although live video can be seen here :D

http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

[Tom206wrc]

Sarrazin(#8) in pole, McNish(#1) 2nd, Minassian(#7)third, Pagenaud(#17)fourth, Gené(#9)fifth, Werner(#2)sixth, Bernhardt(#3)seventh, and then three Lola Astons, best of the "gasoline"... ;)

[wedge]

Awesome lap from Sarrazin!

Go Peugeot!

[Almeidafoto]

Will it be this year that Peugeot's able to be first on track at sunday 15:00. If it is, I hope is #7 ahead. (because of Lamy, of course).

[ioan]

Going by past years form Peugeot holds even less of an advantage in qualy pace over the race 'geared' Audis.

[AndyRAC]

I'd say Audi to win - with the Kristensen, McNish, Capello No1 car - okay, it's hardly an original choice. But they will get the job done - they make the fewest, if any mistakes.
Though I would like to see Peugeot win as a way of rewarding their huge investment.

Whatever though, it will surely be a cracker.

[Tom206wrc]

Don't forget the 908 running under Pescarolo colours(4th in qualifying)that can also do a good result with such drivers like experienced Boullion and promising Pagenaud :p :

[BDunnell]

Bit surprised there hasn't been anything on this thread since the race started! It's looking like a Peugeot win at the moment. The two works Astons are running well.

[jimclark]

Easy...they've got 20 hours to go. Looked like a Peugeot win last year too, 'member? ;)

[Daniel]

Last year was a joke. Went to sleep with Peugeot killing Audi and woke up having found the Peugeot's were crap in the wet :mark: Let's hope #7 keeps going. Does anyone know if Eurosport is on freeview? On my way to London and my brother doesn't have Sky :(

[jimclark]

"Let's hope #7 keeps going."

Why would I do that? 'Not a Pug fan. ;)

[Ucci]

Change in GT2 class, Porsche nb.76 went in the pits, so three Ferrari's are in the lead.
In general, go Pug, go.....

[Wim_Impreza]

I hope and think Audi will win with the #1 car. That team has the experience and I doubt the Peugeot drivers could drive without problems in the night.

My prediction at the finish is this:
1 Audi #1
2 Peugeot #7
3 Lola Aston Martin #008

And a Corvette will win the GT1 class. :p

[UltimateDanGTR]

The Lola Astons seem to having a good debut. They wont win the race, but hopefully they can build on this in years to come.

I hope Peugeot win-simply because Id like to see someone other than Audi to win it for once-But you have to give them credit for how brilliant they are.

[AndyRAC]

The Lola Astons seem to having a good debut. They wont win the race, but hopefully they can build on this in years to come.

I hope Peugeot win-simply because Id like to see someone other than Audi to win it for once-But you have to give them credit for how brilliant they are.

I'd agree, you almost know what is going to happen - I'll go to bed with Peugeot leading, get up tomorrow and the No1 Audi will be ahead.

On another note, I've just got in from a day out watching some Rallying - on the drive home had the radio on, Not 1 single mention of Le Mans :mad: .
It's true Motorsport=F1!!

[pettersolberg29]

I completely agree - one of the best days of WRC in recent years and the Le Mans 24h and yet neither is mentioned on TV or radio - a disgrace...


btw any online coverage availible?

[UltimateDanGTR]

This the thing Andy-Sportscar racing and GT doesnt get enough coverage. with the right branding it could be just as big as F1. Hopefully next years new World Le Mans Series and World GT1 Championships (both of them Im very happy about) will raise Prototype/sportscar racings profile to a worldwide scale-Im a fan of manier motorsports, and I do feel that sportscar and GT racing isnt popular enough-That needs to change. hopefully this can happen will the aforementioned world championships.

[pettersolberg29]

Sorry - got coverage now...

Here if anyone missed it on page 3 = http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

[AndyRAC]

This the thing Andy-Sportscar racing and GT doesnt get enough coverage. with the right branding it could be just as big as F1. Hopefully next years new World Le Mans Series and World GT1 Championships (both of them Im very happy about) will raise Prototype/sportscar racings profile to a worldwide scale-Im a fan of manier motorsports, and I do feel that sportscar and GT racing isnt popular enough-That needs to change. hopefully this can happen will the aforementioned world championships.

Well it doesn't get enough 'mainstream' coverage. Radio LeMans do great coverage of LMS/ALMS, MotorsTV do ALMS,Eurosport are doing LeMans - but I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned on BBC Radio.

[BDunnell]

The Eurosport coverage is excellent, in my opinion. Watching it reminds one what an excellent driver line-up Le Mans now boasts again, and it certainly deserves a wider audience.

[MrJan]

We have to face that motorsport is just not that mainstream, especially something which can be as confusing as endurance racing. What annoys me though is that they are doing huge coverage of crap sports like the T20 and Andy 'f***-face' Murray which are also fairly minority (most people couldn't give a toss about tennis until Wimbledon starts).

As for other coverage, well Eurosport do pretty much all you can ask of a TV broadcast, it's just a shame that I can't stay up for it all and can only get it through justin.tv so have to cope with stream.

[ioan]

I see I'm not the only sleepless around here!

[wmcot]

Sorry - got coverage now...

Here if anyone missed it on page 3 = http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

Thanks for the link! Much better than just audio.

[call_me_andrew]

Can they move the cars into the garage for fuel and tires? It would certainly be faster than doing it in the pit stall.

[UltimateDanGTR]

We have to face that motorsport is just not that mainstream, especially something which can be as confusing as endurance racing. What annoys me though is that they are doing huge coverage of crap sports like the T20 and Andy 'f***-face' Murray which are also fairly minority (most people couldn't give a toss about tennis until Wimbledon starts).

As for other coverage, well Eurosport do pretty much all you can ask of a TV broadcast, it's just a shame that I can't stay up for it all and can only get it through justin.tv so have to cope with stream.

I agree on the basis that the Eurosport coverage is great, because they do an excellent job, Its just the event isnt made big enough. Its a shame motorsport isnt that mainstream, but what can we do.

I just hope this world le mans series will be able to boost the profile a bit, if the media give it enough attention. In my opinion winning that should be just as prestigious as winning the formula 1 world championship.

[UltimateDanGTR]

Well it doesn't get enough 'mainstream' coverage. Radio LeMans do great coverage of LMS/ALMS, MotorsTV do ALMS,Eurosport are doing LeMans - but I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned on BBC Radio.

Nor can I. the Beeb need to get some more motorsport like the World Le Mans and World GT1 championships and then show them live on red button, with lots of advertising like they do with F1. Then we'd all be happy.

But I can dream............

[BDunnell]

We have to face that motorsport is just not that mainstream, especially something which can be as confusing as endurance racing.

This is true.

[jimclark]

Can they move the cars into the garage for fuel and tires? It would certainly be faster than doing it in the pit stall.

'Don't know the rules regarding that but even if allowed, how would it be faster? (The time taken to wheel it in and then back out would surely negate any advantage gained inside the garage.)

[wedge]

WOOOOOOOOOOHH!!!!


A Peugeot victory for sure!


Strange how at Sebring we had a titanic battle between Peugeot and Audi but at Le Mans the R15 is a maintenance nightmare.

[UltimateDanGTR]

As we head into the last 10 minutes I have to say its been a very entertaining race. plenty of incidents, plenty of crashes,and for once Audi will not be winning. the race wont be a close finish, but that doesnt matter. Peugeot are deserved winners. even if they are french. Lola Aston have been good, and i expect good things of them in the coming years here, and hopefully they will do world le mans aswell. audi will be back bigger and stronger next year, but this, is Peugeots year........

[harvick#1]

thank goodness I went to sleep, cause nothing changed in the final 8 hours.

my hats are off to Peugeot for winning. and its good that Beniot was ok after that horrific crash in the #17

[Sleeper]

First time that Audi hasnt won for 10 years, so at least thats something to be chearful about.

Lola-Aston 4th, great job from Prodrive its just ashame that the rules give so much of an advantage to the diesels.

[ioan]

thank goodness I went to sleep, cause nothing changed in the final 8 hours.

Same here.
This yea's race, but for the accidents (that I do not consider entertaining at all) turned out a bit boring, especially in the LMP classes.

PS: I was a bit annoyed by the race direction and the marshals denying the number 2 Audi to try to regain the boxes for repairs given that the engine was working.

[harvick#1]

that first safety car changed everything and ruined the race, it put the overall leader in such a big lead because somehow the of the front runners got caught behind the 2nd SC, along as it split the vettes apart.

I must say also a well done to the Kolles #14 team to do the race with only 2 drivers :up:

[F1boat]

Congratulations for the lions. They deserved this win, after all the failures in previous years. Kudos for them.

[wedge]

This yea's race, but for the accidents (that I do not consider entertaining at all) turned out a bit boring, especially in the LMP classes.

It was decent, average race, no different to what I remember from the 90s.

It does becomes an anti-climax in terms of action on Sunday morning when the sun comes out and track temperature hits the mid-late 20s (centigrade) and people start thinking of the finish.

[FormerFF]

Well done, Peugeot! I toast your victory with a bottle of Kronenbourg Seize Cent Soixante Quatre.

[call_me_andrew]

'Don't know the rules regarding that but even if allowed, how would it be faster? (The time taken to wheel it in and then back out would surely negate any advantage gained inside the garage.)

This year the pit crew could only change one tire at a time with two people. If they take it into the garage they could have three members on each tire and replace the whole set in about 4 seconds.

And instead of wheeling it into the garage, the driver could just turn in head first.

[harvick#1]

And instead of wheeling it into the garage, the driver could just turn in head first.

theyre not allowed too, crew has to put it on jacks

[dj4monie]

First time that Audi hasnt won for 10 years, so at least thats something to be chearful about.

Lola-Aston 4th, great job from Prodrive its just ashame that the rules give so much of an advantage to the diesels.

Okay here goes -

Aston Martin-Lola was going about 205mph on the run down to Indy

The 908 was clocked at 211 during qualifying

6 mph is quite a bit to make up, HOWEVER.

Looking at the SEAT Leon TDi's in the WTCC, they reach max velocity sooner than the Cruze or the 320i's and its more than likely not because they make more Horsepower, but WAY more torque.

I think this is the case with most of the faster N/A cars vs both Diesel cars, they take longer to reach top speed.

Combine that with R8>R10>R15 and 908 with 3 years of development and you see the lap time isn't so much in top speed, its how both cars can attack the Porsche Curves. McNish made his flying lap for Pole in the first qualifying session and was balked around the track, but had a clean run from Arnage to start/finish and made all his time up on that section of track. Sarrazin made up his lap for pole in the same area.

Its safe to say that 908 is FASTER than anything there in a straight line, clearly, they are also one of the fastest cars through one of the trickiest section of track as well.

Its a combined effort...

One more year of development on the GDI Aston Martin V12, more CFD/Wind Tunnel time on the AMR bodywork, maybe adding a Hybrid system or allowing larger engines in the rules might help them. But to be honest, they are RIGHT there for a brand new effort and only need to find a bit more speed, not all of it in the ACO rulebook.

[dj4monie]

that first safety car changed everything and ruined the race, it put the overall leader in such a big lead because somehow the of the front runners got caught behind the 2nd SC, along as it split the vettes apart.

I must say also a well done to the Kolles #14 team to do the race with only 2 drivers :up:

Which safety car are you talking about?

The #8 had a HUGE lead cut down by transmission/suspension issues, lost 9 mins and that is basically the difference. If it was an Audi in the lead, they wouldn't have called off the dogs, trust me. Franck was cutting :24's and :25's in the early daylight, some 2-3 seconds a lap faster than Brabs in the #9. They were on pace to catch them with about an hour or two to go.

However I agree, the ACO does really need to look at how they use the pace/safety cars and the track being 8 miles long has really very little to do with it basically.

The 2nd pace car should release his cars to join the tail end of the lead pack before returning to green.

[wedge]

Okay here goes -

Aston Martin-Lola was going about 205mph on the run down to Indy

The 908 was clocked at 211 during qualifying

6 mph is quite a bit to make up, HOWEVER.

Looking at the SEAT Leon TDi's in the WTCC, they reach max velocity sooner than the Cruze or the 320i's and its more than likely not because they make more Horsepower, but WAY more torque.

I think this is the case with most of the faster N/A cars vs both Diesel cars, they take longer to reach top speed.

Combine that with R8>R10>R15 and 908 with 3 years of development and you see the lap time isn't so much in top speed, its how both cars can attack the Porsche Curves. McNish made his flying lap for Pole in the first qualifying session and was balked around the track, but had a clean run from Arnage to start/finish and made all his time up on that section of track. Sarrazin made up his lap for pole in the same area.

Its safe to say that 908 is FASTER than anything there in a straight line, clearly, they are also one of the fastest cars through one of the trickiest section of track as well.

Its a combined effort...

One more year of development on the GDI Aston Martin V12, more CFD/Wind Tunnel time on the AMR bodywork, maybe adding a Hybrid system or allowing larger engines in the rules might help them. But to be honest, they are RIGHT there for a brand new effort and only need to find a bit more speed, not all of it in the ACO rulebook.

Did you steal that from Marshall Pruett? :D

Interesting observations nonetheless.

[harvick#1]

Which safety car are you talking about?


when #7 and #17 hit in the pits and and #7 blew the tire on the track.

the lead LMP1 and GT1 categories both got split by the safety cars