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muggle not
28th January 2009, 23:30
Feds: NASCAR violated regulations in plane crash
By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 18 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP)—NASCAR violated federal regulations when it allowed a plane involved in a deadly 2007 crash outside Orlando, Fla., to return to the air without maintenance after a pilot reported an electrical malfunction the previous day, federal investigators said Wednesday.

The crash—which killed five people, including two children and an adult on the ground—was partly a result of sloppy maintenance record-keeping at NASCAR’s aviation unit, staff investigators told the National Transportation Safety Board Wednesday. NASCAR has a fleet comparable to a small charter operation or a tiny airline.

The board was set to vote later in the day on determining the official cause of the July 10, 2007, crash in Sanford. Investigators said the pilot flying the plane the day before the crash deactivated the plane’s radar system in mid-flight when it began producing a burning smell.

The pilot submitted an incident report to the maintenance division, but the problem was not inspected before the plane was allowed back in the air the next day.

Instead, the radar system was kept off.

The pilot in charge on the day of the crash was told of the incident before he took off, investigators said, but may have believed the radar system was simply broken.

Instead, an electrical problem reoccurred, this time tragically, as the plane was making a 100-mile trip from Daytona Beach to Lakeland.

“I think we’re going to find that this accident started before the airplane even left the ground,” said NTSB board member Robert Sumwalt. “We’re going to see that the organization … enabled this tragic, unnecessary crash.”

Investigators said they found that NASCAR kept poor records of maintenance problems with its planes and had no system for ensuring that reports were addressed.

NASCAR couldn’t provide a copy of the maintenance report that the pilot submitted the day before the crash, for example.

The accident killed a woman and her and 6-month-old son when their home was hit by the plane, as well as a 4-year-old child in a second house that was hit. NASCAR pilot Michael Klemm and the husband of a NASCAR executive, Bruce Kennedy, also died in the accident.

Board members expressed frustration that corporate flight divisions aren’t subject to greater oversight.

jslone
29th January 2009, 00:28
This would pt the recent lawsiut settled to shame.

TexasRaceLady
29th January 2009, 01:46
France is going to have to open the vault for this one.

Sparky1329
29th January 2009, 02:26
Oh yeah. Serves him right.

muggle not
29th January 2009, 02:36
I'm not loaning him any of mine. :)

call_me_andrew
29th January 2009, 06:55
I'm sure this wouldn't be so bad for NASCAR. Wrongful death suits pay out about $5 million at most. That's $25 million for everyone killed and maybe a few fees from the NTSB. It would have cost them more money if they had survived.

colinspooky
29th January 2009, 12:35
all it will do is put their insurance premiums up a bit next year.




premuiums - think you have a different word in the US - in UK, this is the amount you pay the insurance company to cover you for a risk

trumperZ06
29th January 2009, 19:11
:dozey: This is Serious Stuff. Inocent people, including two children, were killed... appearantly due to NASCAR's sloppy maintainance opperations.

The pilot did his job when he reported the electrical problem, including a "write-up". There had to have been a written report which NA$CAR's flight opperation has been unable to produce.

Seems that the plane should have been "grounded" until repairs were completed.

Not doing so, with the resulting accident, will have $$$ major repercussions.

muggle not
30th January 2009, 01:46
:dozey: This is Serious Stuff. Inocent people, including two children, were killed... appearantly due to NASCAR's sloppy maintainance opperations.

The pilot did his job when he reported the electrical problem, including a "write-up". There had to have been a written report which NA$CAR's flight opperation has been unable to produce.

Seems that the plane should have been "grounded" until repairs were completed.

Not doing so, with the resulting accident, will have $$$ major repercussions.
I agree, it is serious stuff. Six people lost their lives because of sloppy maintenance procedures.

jslone
30th January 2009, 03:15
Thing I dont get is that Nascar knew about these problems(or so we thought),and did nothing,now maybe the whole system needs to be overhualed.

Mark in Oshawa
30th January 2009, 15:47
The pilot holds some blame for not insisting the electrical issues were taken care of before take off...but of course he paid a higher price than Brian France will have to pay to make this go away.

Yet another instance where someone in Daytona Beach's little monument to money overriding someone who knew better and it biting them in the rear.

It isn't the cost that bothers me, it isn't my money. It bothers me people died and it bothers me that the institutional arrogance that NASCAR has had for a lot of years hasn't really changed.

I have always thought Brian France was a little more in tune with the average man than his dad was but it seems the organization as a whole still thinks they can dictate things and make them happen in spite of the law or logic. This tragedy ended up costing a lot more than money and it is purely due to the arrogance of people not taking the time to understand safety. Pretty much makes you think when they start telling everyone how they know safety and the drivers should stop telling them how to regulate safety in racing. Their credibility takes a hit, even though good men like Robin Pemberton and John Darby had nothing to do with this......

Mark in Oshawa
30th January 2009, 15:49
Thing I dont get is that Nascar knew about these problems(or so we thought),and did nothing,now maybe the whole system needs to be overhualed.


Nothing to overhaul. The rules and regs are there...just people chose to overlook them. If an airline did this the lawsuits would make your head spin.....

Easy Drifter
1st February 2009, 04:52
A good idea of NASCAR's general attitude to safety comes out in Dr. Steve Ovey's book 'Rapid Reponse'.
He is not too popular with the NASCAR powers that be.

Mark in Oshawa
4th February 2009, 00:52
A good idea of NASCAR's general attitude to safety comes out in Dr. Steve Ovey's book 'Rapid Reponse'.
He is not too popular with the NASCAR powers that be.


I take it he takes them to task for their reluctance to embrace such things such as Closed faced helmets, crush zone technology, dedicated safety teams and the HANS device? They have all that NOW but it took a few dead race drivers including an Earnhardt and a Petty to bring this all about.

call_me_andrew
4th February 2009, 06:25
Anyone else find it odd that this is the first time anyone's been upset with NASCAR due to a LACK of tech inspection?