Charlie Whiting on the new rules

[Tazio]

An interesting read
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&id=45025&PO=45025

"What the teams will do is to have a Friday engine that’ll probably do the first four races or something of that nature. They’ll then take the engine out and use another one for Saturday and Sunday.

All we’ve got to do – it’ll be extra work – is to make sure that these engines remain sealed and are untouched"

[Knock-on]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes no sense whatsoever..... yet again.

The revised, altered, new rules stated that an engine was in use for a weekend as soon as it left the pit lane.

Do they not use the Pit lane on a Friday now?????

At this rate, we're going to have teams use a practice engine for 4 or 5 meetings, last weeks race engine on a Saturday and a new one on the Sunday.

How much buggering about with engine switches is this going to mean for the teams. Getting back to the days when they would rebuild them every Saturday night.

[SGWilko]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes no sense whatsoever..... yet again.

The revised, altered, new rules stated that an engine was in use for a weekend as soon as it left the pit lane.

Do they not use the Pit lane on a Friday now?????

At this rate, we're going to have teams use a practice engine for 4 or 5 meetings, last weeks race engine on a Saturday and a new one on the Sunday.

How much buggering about with engine switches is this going to mean for the teams. Getting back to the days when they would rebuild them every Saturday night.

Q: So, once you’ve started the event with one engine, you will be able to change it whenever?

CW: Exactly!

I think the FIA needs thicker glasses as they really are short sighted these days. Either that or they should have gone to specsavers.

[Tazio]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes no sense whatsoever..... yet again.

The revised, altered, new rules stated that an engine was in use for a weekend as soon as it left the pit lane.

Do they not use the Pit lane on a Friday now?????

At this rate, we're going to have teams use a practice engine for 4 or 5 meetings, last weeks race engine on a Saturday and a new one on the Sunday.

How much buggering about with engine switches is this going to mean for the teams. Getting back to the days when they would rebuild them every Saturday night.Mind boggling isn't it? :crazy:
Max will put things "right" :p :

[Daniel]

Mind boggling isn't it? :crazy:
Max will put things "right" :p :

*WARNING - Bad Max joke*

I'm sure he'll "whip" things into shape :p

[Sleeper]

*WARNING - Bad Max joke*

I'm sure he'll "whip" things into shape :p
To be honest it was a bit limp.

[mstillhere]

An interesting read
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&id=45025&PO=45025

"What the teams will do is to have a Friday engine that’ll probably do the first four races or something of that nature. They’ll then take the engine out and use another one for Saturday and Sunday.

All we’ve got to do – it’ll be extra work – is to make sure that these engines remain sealed and are untouched"

I think next time I'll watch a race I'll have to have the regulation manuals next to me. Every day new rules. I had it!!!

[Hondo]

After last season, I wouldn't take Whiting's opinion on any rule as a sure thing.

[Tazio]

After last season, I wouldn't take Whiting's opinion on any rule as a sure thing.A point well taken :up:

[Knock-on]

To be honest it was a bit limp.

No need to "lash" out though :D

[Knock-on]

After last season, I wouldn't take Whiting's opinion on any rule as a sure thing.

Totally agree.

I along with most people who know about F1, have always held CW in high esteem but try as I might, I cannot find any justification for last years actions.

[Daniel]

Totally agree.

I along with most people who know about F1, have always held CW in high esteem but try as I might, I cannot find any justification for last years actions.

As was pointed out at the time it wasn't Charlie's place to say yay or nay to McLaren. Given that point it was silly for him to say anything.....

[SGWilko]

Personally, I think the rule book the FIA have, and the one sent to the teams are totally different.

The FIA book has a single page in it, with just the one sentence, written VERY LARGE so even the most visually stunded FIA appointed moron can read it.

It reads "make it up as you go along"

:D

[Daniel]

It reads "make it up as you go along"

Sounds like the have a lot in common with some McLaren fans! :D

[SGWilko]

Sounds like the have a lot in common with some McLaren fans! :D

Yes, we got sent the same rulebook by mistake, only we need a REALLY REALLY BIG magnifying glass to make out the letters...... ;)

[Daniel]

Yes, we got sent the same rulebook by mistake, only we need a REALLY REALLY BIG magnifying glass to make out the letters...... ;)
I think you're confused between a rulebook and something starting with p and ending with s :p

[SGWilko]

I think you're confused between a rulebook and something starting with p and ending with s :p

Don't take much to get us McLaren boys confused now does it? Sorry, what was your name again. Where am I again...... ;)

[Daniel]

Don't take much to get us McLaren boys confused now does it? Sorry, what was your name again. Where am I again...... ;)

It is the year 3000, your name is Hubert J Farnsworth and my name is Daniel :)

[SGWilko]

It is the year 3000, your name is Hubert J Farnsworth and my name is Daniel :)

Oh Bugger, I thought my name was Elmer Snodgrass... ;)

[ioan]

Oh Bugger, I thought my name was Elmer Snodgrass... ;)

Well, that explains lot's of things! :p :

[Knock-on]

As was pointed out at the time it wasn't Charlie's place to say yay or nay to McLaren. Given that point it was silly for him to say anything.....

I agree. But say something he did; twice.

Then went against what he said to the teams and retrospectivly asked the stewards to investigate after the race in complete contradictions to what he said to McLaren.

What's the "knock-on" effect? Well, this bloody stupid medal idea for one. Wouldn't have even cropped up without this farce.

As I said, his actions last year were were stunning and reprehensible in my opinion.

[Daniel]

I agree. But say something he did; twice.

Then went against what he said to the teams and retrospectivly asked the stewards to investigate after the race in complete contradictions to what he said to McLaren.

What's the "knock-on" effect? Well, this bloody stupid medal idea for one. Wouldn't have even cropped up without this farce.

As I said, his actions last year were were stunning and reprehensible in my opinion.
I think reprehensible is a bit much :) I think it was a dumb thing to do/say. I fully agree that Charlie was in the wrong on this matter :up:

[Knock-on]

I think reprehensible is a bit much :) I think it was a dumb thing to do/say. I fully agree that Charlie was in the wrong on this matter :up:

OK, I'll go with that.

It happened, it should never have happened and hopefully we will get better visibility to ensure this situation never occurs again.

[Daniel]

OK, I'll go with that.

It happened, it should never have happened and hopefully we will get better visibility to ensure this situation never occurs again.
Amen to that :up:

As I said, his actions last year were were stunning and reprehensible in my opinion.

Although at least he didn't have a dossier of full designs of a rivals car.

If you think Whiting's actions were "stunning and reprehensible" what would you say about a team that had those?

[Knock-on]

Although at least he didn't have a dossier of full designs of a rivals car.

If you think Whiting's actions were "stunning and reprehensible" what would you say about a team that had those?

The same as I have said previously. They were guilty having access to the data, even if it wasn't incorporated into the car, and as such were rightly penalised.

I also said that $100m was way over the top and that Renault should have been similarly punished for having McLaren data for a year.

However, if you are accusing CW of cheating and he should be punished, I suggest that there is an amount of evidence to support your claim but cannot agree with your conclusion.

I think it was a monumental cock-up, incompetent and further brought the sport into disrepute but cannot believe CW would cheat.

[Tazio]

I agree. But say something he did; twice.

Then went against what he said to the teams and retrospectivly asked the stewards to investigate after the race in complete contradictions to what he said to McLaren.

What's the "knock-on" effect? Well, this bloody stupid medal idea for one. Wouldn't have even cropped up without this farce.

As I said, his actions last year were were stunning and reprehensible in my opinion.Don't look now but:
"Ferrari have had to modify the exhaust exits on the side pods of the F60, as seen at its launch at Mugello earlier this month (left diagram). In testing the length of the tailpipes has already been reduced (right diagram). Under the original text of the 2009 technical regulations the Ferrari solution was legal. That changed following a later meeting of the Technical Working Group and FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting, in which it was it was decided that exhaust tailpipes are considered part of the bodywork. "

Just don't "ring him up" during a race :laugh:


http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2009/0/618.html

[SGWilko]

Don't look now but:
"Ferrari have had to modify the exhaust exits on the side pods of the F60, as seen at its launch at Mugello earlier this month (left diagram). In testing the length of the tailpipes has already been reduced (right diagram). Under the original text of the 2009 technical regulations the Ferrari solution was legal. That changed following a later meeting of the Technical Working Group and FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting, in which it was it was decided that exhaust tailpipes are considered part of the bodywork. "

Just don't "ring him up" during a race :laugh:


http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2009/0/618.html

No, go on, bell 'im up, and say "hi, is that Charlie"? Bet yer bottom dollar he gets all confused and has no clue what you are on about.......