CAn anyone give me one good reason why Bernie Madoff is not in jail?

[Jag_Warrior]

The only theory that I've heard, that makes a little bit of sense, is that by allowing him to remain free (in his $7 million penthouse!!! :angryfire ), he may be more willing to divulge the location of any secret bank accounts or assets. Well, I have my own theory about all of this. Madoff is a con man. And he is a damn good one. He has demonstrated, over a long period of time, that he is (much) smarter than anyone at the SEC. If not for his own admission of wrong doing, it might have been months or years before he was caught. In light of recent accounts that he had accepted (and lost) money from Russian mobsters and oligarchs, in my opinion, Madoff simply made a move of self-preservation by blowing the whistle on himself. The crooks at Enron and Worldcom proved that you won't lose your life or be tortured by cheating widows and orphans out of their money. But even the Sicilian Mafia doesn't play funny with the Russian(/Israeli) mob's money.

Bernie's not afaid of the SEC or the Justice Dept. in the U.S. He was sending out a million dollars+ worth of jewelry a week after being arrested and confined to his Park Avenue castle. He was preparing to send out over $100 million worth of checks right under the noses of the Justice Dept. He thinks they're idiots and punks (and he may be right). His niece was married off to some SEC flunky, so he's likely had a rat in at the SEC for years - at least one rat, probably more. As long as they're dumb enough to continue following his tall tales, he'll continue making them believe that he is just about ready to tell them where the treasure is hidden. What he is afraid of (IMO) is being set free and being picked up by a Lincoln Town Car, late one night, full of "nice Russian boys", who speak Yiddish as well as Russian. Spending his days in the afterlife trading tales of torture and death with Jimmy Hoffa probably isn't what he wants to do.

This worthless P.O.S. should be in jail! And his old hag of a wife should be in there with him. No one suggested letting John Gotti walk around free (or remain under house arrest), just in case the Feds might convince him to tell where all the bodies were hidden. Madoff is a lot smarter than Gotti. And he has done more damage than Gotti ever thought about. Lock him up as he awaits trial! Squeeze him! Freeze and seize everything that looks like a Madoff family asset. Hit his wife, his kids... his dog. And if they can't make the case and he gets off... OK, set his azz free - at night. :) If the Israelis want to protect him, let them have him.... if he can get there alive.

A couple of years after 9/11, the U.S. government prided itself on bragging that it had traced money orders (in $50 increments) originating in the U.S. and meant for Middle Eastern terrorists. Does no one else find it interesting and odd that the same U.S. government now claims it can only find the Madoff billions, if Bernie helps them??? I think Bernie had help - lots of help. And Bernie was clearly being protected. Hopefully Obama will appoint someone to dig out the rats in the SEC (and DoJ) who provided cover for Madoff over the past 10-20 years.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jag...I cant say I know a whole lot about Madoff...but he has political connections and I suspect there are members of both parties that have some ties to this weasel and he may not see justice...

[Jag_Warrior]

I'm afraid you may be right, Mark. I suspect there are more than a few politicians around the world who really need to see him dead. Or locked away like Rudolf Hess, so that he can never tell all that he knows. Is Spandau still in operation? :D

[Jag_Warrior]

Eh... whatta ya gonna do? Fugget about it. :dozey:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aGU4j7QKMMi8&refer=news

[Hondo]

Largely because he's connected to a lot of people that are probably praying he doesn't get too chatty, he's white, and he stole a couple of billion.

If he had robbed a liquor store of $20 with a pistol and a ski mask, he'd be being held without bail, getting to know his new husband.

[veeten]

You got it, Fiero. A good number of folks in higher office (if not those in the outgoing administration) would be a wee bit embarrased if they had to appear in front of a grand jury to testify to either their knowledge of or participation in Madoff's scheme.

It's like ABSCAM all over again... :s

[Roamy]

because the judge is a gay left wing POS who has no respect for anyone who had enough money to invest. This guy should be chained behind a bus in NYC and dragged around until there is nothing left on the chain.

Gee do you think I detest Bernie??

[steve_spackman]

because the judge is a gay left wing POS who has no respect for anyone who had enough money to invest. This guy should be chained behind a bus in NYC and dragged around until there is nothing left on the chain.

Gee do you think I detest Bernie??

those poor reporters left out in the cold and he cant even be thoughtful enough to give them a cuppa tea or coffee...

shame on you Mr Madoff

[Mark in Oshawa]

Madoff is under house arrest in his 7 million dollar penthouse apartment. Heck...I live in a 40square foot bunk behind my driver seat and I am free. What is wrong with that picture? THank god I have a real home to go to...

[Jag_Warrior]

And the plot begins to thicken (finally!):

The SEC is beginning to not only investigate Eric Swanson and Shana Madoff's relationship, begun while he was at the SEC (and her sweet ol' Uncle Bernie was stealing billions with both fists), they're now looking at this whole rotten family tree.

In addition to Shana having been Bernie's "compliance officer" (I guess that means wh*ring herself out to the boys at the SEC to keep ol' uncle out of the soup), Shana and her cousins (Bernie's boys) started an energy firm in early 2007. They swear, they swear, they swear, the only money used to fund this operation is theirs. None of Uncle Bernie's money (which is really everybody's money but his!) went into it. The SEC claims that it is now looking into the validity of that.

IMO, the SEC can't be trusted - emails are probably being deleted and shredders are probably running around the clock there. And I'm not sure that the Dept. of Justice can be trusted either. IMO, some sort of Special Prosecutor needs to be named ASAP. One man didn't do this by himself. And more than one man knew what was being done. Madoff's political ties, in New York, Washington, Russia and Israel, also need to be looked at hard, before people have a chance to cover their tracks.

When it's clear that you're hunting witches, I don't see a single thing wrong with a witch hunt.

[Jag_Warrior]

Largely because he's connected to a lot of people that are probably praying he doesn't get too chatty, he's white, and he stole a couple of billion.

If he had robbed a liquor store of $20 with a pistol and a ski mask, he'd be being held without bail, getting to know his new husband.

If it turns out that he really did rip off the Russian/Israeli mob, getting sold back & forth between the Crips and the Latin Kings for packs of cigarettes might sound like a pleasant fate, compared to the slow and deliberate sex change they'd do on him.

Here's how I think it'll turn out. This will never go to trial (I give it 60/40 to be a plea deal). He's already confessed to Federal agents, so I think he'll "cooperate" with the goofs at the SEC and DoJ. He'll give up a billion or two billion in hidden assets (the rest will never be found). He'll cut a deal to serve 10 years of a 15 or 20 year sentence. He'll fold laundry and trim shrubs for 10 years in a nice Club Fed facility. He'll declare bankruptcy at the first opportunity. When he gets out, he'll have "found God", say how much he regrets the error of his ways... and he'll promptly move to Israel. His lifestyle will be funded by his brother Peter (through Shana and her hubby). And unless some ex-Mossad agent working for a (no longer wealthy) Russian born Israeli "import/export" type, dressed up like a Palestinian, takes him for a secret midnight ride and sends him to meet Jimmy Hoffa, I bet he lives to a ripe old, comfortable age.

I'm not Nostradamus, but I bet I'm not too far off on how this plays out. :dozey:

[Jag_Warrior]

Wednesday, January 14, 2009. Yet another judge (this one is either #3 or #4). And yet another decision. Bernie, being shown in a bullet-proof vest today, is now back in the car and on his way back to his $7 million penthouse apartment. What's the old Jethro Tull song? Skating Away. :rolleyes:

$50 billion missing. Only one man has been charged, and even he is being allowed to continue living in luxury. A statement today said that his wife, Ruth, is paying the bills. Here's a crazy question I have, where did her money come from?

No one else has been charged or arrested. But his kids and his niece (who all worked in the same building as he did) had millions to invest in an energy firm (staffed by some former Enron people). $50 billion and not a soul is in jail!!! This is a freakin' joke. :arrows:

[Roamy]

well the following could probably give you people some insight as to why we are in the current mess we are in. As I have said many times we need to "Gut" congress !






A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples:


1. I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window.


(On an airplane!)
2. I got a call from a candidate's staffer, who wanted to go to Capetown. While I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, she interrupted me with, ''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts." Without trying to make her look stupid, I calmly explained, ''Cape Cod is in Massachusetts, Capetown is in Africa .''


Her response - click.


3. A senior Vermont Congressman called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando .
He said he was expecting an ocean-view room.


I tried to explain that is not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state. He replied, 'Don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!'' (OMG)


4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife who asked, ''Is it possible to see England from Canada ?'' I said, ''No.'' She said, ''But they look so close on the map. (OMG, again!)
5. An aide for a cabinet member once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas . When I pulled up the reservation, I noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh)


6. An Illinois Congresswoman called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m. I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that.


7. A New York lawmaker called and asked, ''Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?'


She replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!'' After putting her on hold for a minute, while I looked into it (I was dying laughing), I came back and explained the city code for Fresno, CA is (FAT - Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on her luggage.


8. A Senator's aide called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii. After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would it be cheaper to fly to California, and then take the train to Hawaii ?''


9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman who asked, "How do I know which plane to get on?'' I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.''


10. A lady Senator called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida. Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?'' I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane. She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!''





11. A senior Senator called and had a question about the documents he needed in order to fly to China. After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded him that he needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't. I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.'' I double checked and sure enough, his stay required a visa. When I told him this he said, ''Look, I' ve been to China four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!''


12. A New Mexico Congress woman called to make reservations, ''I want to go from Chicago to Rhino, New York.'' I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name of the town?'' ''Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the lady. After some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, ma'am, I've looked up every airport code in the country and can't find a Rhino anywhere.' ''The lady retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!''


So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't mean Buffalo, do you?'' The reply?


''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.''


Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it's in! Could anyone be this DUMB?
YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED!

[Hondo]

In all fairness, I can almost identify with #5. DFW is a huge, sprawling group of terminals and if you arrive any kind of late needing to catch a connecting flight, you're in for a long, hard run.

Their little automatic tram doesn't come often enough or go fast enough.

I'm glad I don't fly anymore.

[Easy Drifter]

Fiero: Yes it is a lot less physically exhausting to take a plane rather than flapping your arms that hard. :D

[Hondo]

Fiero: Yes it is a lot less physically exhausting to take a plane rather than flapping your arms that hard. :D

low groan...

[Easy Drifter]

Sorry I couldn't resist.
Must be the cold. It is -30C here. Er, Outside, not inside. :eek:

[GridGirl]

Fraud is a seriuously complicated business. We currently have two ongoing fruad cases at work where the individuals concerned will most likely and should end up in jail. But just like Madoff they aren't there yet. If your not proven guilty I suppose it isn't seen as a serious enough crime to warrant being sent to jail before a trial.

[Jag_Warrior]

Right you are, GridGirl. This fraud is certainly going to be a complicated matter to unravel. But after trying to mail out over $1 million in jewelry and being found in possession of $100 million+ in checks that he was getting ready to send out to his minions, I agree with the prosecutors that he should have had his bail revoked.

I also feel that Obama has made a serious error, in picking Mary Schapiro to head the SEC. She's part of the same kosher Boys & Girls Club that turned a total blind-eye to Bernie Madoff for the past decade or so. In fact, Schapiro was the head of the NASD two years ago, and never smelled a rat with Madoff then. So why would she be able to do anything more at the SEC? There are cop types and there are lawyer types. Schapiro is a lawyer type (who has been sued for wrong doing while at the NASD). We need an "Elliot Ness" style, clean cop at the SEC, IMO. Between her and Eric Holder, I think Obama's made two poor choices so far.

[AAReagles]

Fraud is a seriuously complicated business...

There is of course, a 35cent solution. Not that it would resolve the financial atrocity.

Just a suggestion.



Same punishment should be applied to who ever came up with the concept of automated voice machines.

[Jag_Warrior]

Who wants this bet? I'll give 10 to 1 odds that Bernie Madoff dies of old age in that penthouse before they get him to trial or he serves the first day in jail. Takers?

Here's my nominee for the new head of the SEC. His speech is somewhat hard to understand and he can't write (as he has no thumbs). But he's clearly willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/seeing_eye_dog.jpg

[Hondo]

I heard because of his expertise in maintaining calm and confidence while having no assets to back the liability, he is working a deal with the Feds to become the new head of the Social Security Administration. Unlike his personal Ponzi scheme that came to light only after his investers tried to withdrawl huge amounts of cash when the markets turned down, the American taxpayer cannot set the amount of withdrawl himself, so it will be decades before they realize they've been had. Once less thing for the administration to worry about.

[Jag_Warrior]

Just an observation... not really trying to make a point, but it seems odd that there seem to be so few comments on the Madoff scandal from our European posters. It was reported on Bloomberg today that the majority of losses will probably be from European investors, both banks and private individuals. New estimates have the actual losses at $20-$25 billion, not the $50 billion, which was based on Madoff's own phony accounting. So far, about $950 million has been recovered by the trustee.

Maybe it was assumed that Madoff mostly preyed on Americans, since he was (unfortunately) an American. But he apparently made the most hay in Europe.

Like I said, just an observation.

[Hondo]

Socialist Europe enjoys seeing their rich folks get scammed. Madoff didn't mess with little ma & pa investors, he went after the wealthy. If he scammed rich jews, from what I've seen on here, that's probably something to be rewarded for, not imprisoned.

[Camelopard]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25054116-23109,00.html

Not that bernie would probably care..................... :(

[Jag_Warrior]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25054116-23109,00.html

Not that bernie would probably care..................... :(

That's an unfortunate story, but of course Madoff wouldn't care. Right now, I'd say Bernie and his lawyers are busy concocting a defense that will paint Bernie as a victim of his desire to provide high returns for his investors.

The one that my heart really goes out to is Bernie's wife, Ruth. Poor, poor, old, innocent Ruthie - completely in the dark about everything. Hopefully her sl#t of a niece and her b#stard sons will share some of their ill-gotten gains, if she can't get access to the assets that Bernie surely stashed away.

[Camelopard]

At least some people are getting satisfaction out of this!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/19/2496076.htm


Aussie's smashing Madoff toy makes waves in US

By ABC News Online's Vivien Cuttle
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:00am AEDT
Updated Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:16am AEDT
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200902/r341426_1554234.jpg


The toy's creator calls the Smash-Me Bernie an accidental triumph. (Reuters: Shannon Stapleton)


It may be only a small toy but it's making appearances on live television and the front pages of newspapers around the world.
It's an action figure of US broker Bernard Madoff, who has been accused of perpetrating possibly the largest investor fraud ever committed by an individual.
Madoff was arrested in December for allegedly running a huge Ponzi scheme, which cheated millions of investors out of $US50 billion.

[markabilly]

Does no one else find it interesting and odd that the same U.S. government now claims it can only find the Madoff billions, if Bernie helps them??? I think Bernie had help - lots of help. And Bernie was clearly being protected. Hopefully Obama will appoint someone to dig out the rats in the SEC (and DoJ) who provided cover for Madoff over the past 10-20 years.


Not me....and Bama?? :rotflmao: Please, Where do you think a large portion of that money went??????? :love:


bama was pulling down a thousand from Wall street for every Wall Street dollar that went Repube, Wall Street fat cats was just investing in their future

[AAReagles]

The toy's creator calls the Smash-Me Bernie an accidental triumph...

I wonder if they got a 'Smash-Me-Bernie' (Ecclestone) doll.

[Jag_Warrior]

The one that my heart really goes out to is Bernie's wife, Ruth. Poor, poor, old, innocent Ruthie - completely in the dark about everything. Hopefully her sl#t of a niece and her b#stard sons will share some of their ill-gotten gains, if she can't get access to the assets that Bernie surely stashed away.

We'll see what it looks like in a week or so, but it appears that a plea bargain is in the works. And if the rumors are at all true, Mrs. Bernie Madoff might get to keep the penthouse and somewhere around $62 million in cash and securities. Bernie is promising the guberment that he's gonna come clean and spill the beans. But the guberment has to let poor old Ruthie keep what's "really hers"... since, you know, she didn't know anything about any sort of fraud or anything like that. :rolleyes:

Hmm, seems like Bernie is working on one last con if you ask me.

But I guess you couldn't expect the same people who were too dumb to catch the thief to be able to find the money that the thief stole... without his help.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jag...actually I heard the theory put out there that Ruth may end up being the way Madoff has his bail revoked and ends up in the slammer. That 67 Mill came from Bernie, and THAT is no problem to prove and she used part of that to pay his bail. It is against the bail regulations to use money acquired through crime to use as bail and THAT may be how he ends up behind bars before the trial. I hope to god there is one too. This guy has to go down.

As for the Euro's not saying much about this, it is a pretty much American story if the media is what you go by. Also note, that yes, our European friends seem to be a little socialistic but I don't think they hate wealth. That seems to be the exclusive domain of some of the most ardent Obamaphiles...and Obama's executive branch who seem to think anyone making 250000 is "rich"....

[Jag_Warrior]

Jag...actually I heard the theory put out there that Ruth may end up being the way Madoff has his bail revoked and ends up in the slammer. That 67 Mill came from Bernie, and THAT is no problem to prove and she used part of that to pay his bail. It is against the bail regulations to use money acquired through crime to use as bail and THAT may be how he ends up behind bars before the trial. I hope to god there is one too. This guy has to go down.

I guess I just can't understand why it would be so hard to figure out whose money that $67 mil really is... where it really came from. I mean, unless she inherited it or made a helluva lot on her own, where did that old bag get $67 million, if her rat bastage husband didn't give it to her?

If this Madoff defense passes the giggle test, would you give me a ride down Mexico way? That girl that got nabbed with all those drugs, guns and cash in Mexico (wasn't she a former Miss Mexico or something like that?)... well, she's not a bad looking girl at all. Hmm, maybe I could change my mind about marriage and help her out at the same time. All she has to do is marry me, put the money in my name (ya know, then it would be my money, not hers) and she can walk out the courtroom a free woman. I just need you to keep the truck running on the U.S. side of the border. "You be cool for twenty hours. And I'll pay you twenty grand." What if the drug gang follows us, while we're riding up the road with Smuggler's Blues playing on the CD player? I've got that covered too. Once we get to North Carolina, we need to swing through Pilot Mountain. We tell the manager of a certain diner there that we've got some "revenuers" on our tails. And that'll be the last those hombres are ever heard of.

It's starting to look like crime pays... as long as you go after a big enough amount.

[veeten]

Well, well, well,... Bernie 'fesses up and takes the guilty plea...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29651773?GT1=43001

and now, I present the list of Mr. Madoff's 'clients', or to quote Murphy's Law # 48... "It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money." :p :

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/business/madofflist.pdf

Adobe or similar pdf program required.

[Jag_Warrior]

I hope he gets life and his cell mate is Akmed The Mad Arab.

And if they let ol' Ruthie keep "her" money, him dying in prison still won't represent justice being served. They're talking about using "claw back" provisions to take money back from the investors who withdrew money... but what's Ruthie's remains Ruthie's???!!! :mad:

The wagging tongues on CNBC are saying that the government doesn't have anything to bargain with now. Sure they do! They've got ol' Ruthie. Turn the screws on her, his sons and that POS niece of his. For once I agree with Larry Kudlow: Madoff is a "financial terrorist". Freeze any account that has his smell on it. Hound that old bag until she has a nervous breakdown or is ready to open a vein. He'll talk then.

[SportscarBruce]

Q: CAn anyone give me one good reason why Bernie Madoff is not in jail?

A: I can give you one reason, but it's not a good one. The system is corrupt.

[SportscarBruce]

Hey, he's locked up now. :) I would have preferred him riding to his new home in a white van with barred windows, but a Kia will suffice.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I hope he gets life and his cell mate is Akmed The Mad Arab.

And if they let ol' Ruthie keep "her" money, him dying in prison still won't represent justice being served. They're talking about using "claw back" provisions to take money back from the investors who withdrew money... but what's Ruthie's remains Ruthie's???!!! :mad:

The wagging tongues on CNBC are saying that the government doesn't have anything to bargain with now. Sure they do! They've got ol' Ruthie. Turn the screws on her, his sons and that POS niece of his. For once I agree with Larry Kudlow: Madoff is a "financial terrorist". Freeze any account that has his smell on it. Hound that old bag until she has a nervous breakdown or is ready to open a vein. He'll talk then.


Ruthie may have ill gotten booty but I think the ease ole Bernie coughed up the guilty plea may be the factor here. I think it is wrong but I think the Federal Prosecutor's did a quiet deal to leave Ruthie alone. Getting proof that this is illegal money will require time, forensic accounting and the will. I think they have their scalp and they will go onto nailing someone else.

[Jag_Warrior]

Hey, he's locked up now. :) I would have preferred him riding to his new home in a white van with barred windows, but a Kia will suffice.

When I first saw the shot, I thought it was a Mercedes M class. Then I realized they had him in a Kia. :D

[Jag_Warrior]

Ruthie may have ill gotten booty but I think the ease ole Bernie coughed up the guilty plea may be the factor here. I think it is wrong but I think the Federal Prosecutor's did a quiet deal to leave Ruthie alone. Getting proof that this is illegal money will require time, forensic accounting and the will. I think they have their scalp and they will go onto nailing someone else.

I also fear that a quiet deal may have gone down. I hope not, but it's possible. Bernie would want to protect Ruthie and I'm sure there are some in the government that want to protect themselves. It is impossible that someone at the SEC didn't know about this. And the fact that Madoff's niece was sleeping with at least one guy at the SEC says something funny about this whole thing.

If the U.S. government can't/won't bring all the members of this criminal family to justice, I just have to hope that the rumors of international money laundering are true. The Russian/Israeli mob doesn't recognize the appeals process when they put a person "on trial" and pronounce sentence.

I'm certain that one or more members of this family of thieves knows where much of that cash is hidden. So after seeing an interview with a 90 year old man (90 years old!!!) forced to go back to work after these POS stole his money, nothing done to the Madoffs to gain information would be too harsh, IMO.

[SportscarBruce]

I also fear that a quiet deal may have gone down. I hope not, but it's possible. Bernie would want to protect Ruthie and I'm sure there are some in the government that want to protect themselves


BINGO

[Jag_Warrior]

Run, Ruthie! Run!!! Give 'em the finger and tell 'em that they'll never take you alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1546622320090315

[Mark in Oshawa]

Jag...it does seem they will get that money somehow. Ruth might have been left alone if she wasn't so damned obvious about it...

[donKey jote]

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[Camelopard]

150 years is far too lenient for this guy, send him off to fousto's favourite jail in Arizona and put him in under the 'care' of Sherrif Joe!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/30/2611912.htm

[Mark]

Good to hear he's got the sentence he deserved! I heard they were pushing for 12 years, which would have been crazy considering what he did.

[Jag_Warrior]

If Bernie cooperates with the government, I hear the judge might cut his sentence in half. Wow! That sounds like a deal. Better go for it, Bernie! :p

[Roamy]

Yep ole Bernie is going to be attending "Bubba's" truck driving school for new inmates ! That is where Bubba teaches Bernie "How to back up and take a Load"