Tony George.....Video Director also

[SarahFan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=foI374ZFke4


I had no idea

[The instant classic]

thats one bad video i must say, tony is just a.....well i cant say that here now can i? :D

[Mark in Oshawa]

Don't give up the day job Tony...oh wait a minute. Maybe a few of us wish he would. That cheesy effort brought up all the reasons I despised his actions for all those years and now when I am finally getting past that...he basically does a video that almost gloats about his place in the world. Look no further than his cheesy inclusion of his Jag....

[The instant classic]

Don't give up the day job Tony...oh wait a minute. Maybe a few of us wish he would. That cheesy effort brought up all the reasons I despised his actions for all those years and now when I am finally getting past that...he basically does a video that almost gloats about his place in the world. Look no further than his cheesy inclusion of his Jag....
HAHAHAHAHAHA

its almost like tony is trying to make the fans hate him,
but i guess thats what comes from a track owner truned indycar owner,
that never work for his racing series, daddy made it and tony just came along and took it over and has just made it,,cheesy (like you said) i do think tony is just so far off touch with "the real world" and is stuck in his "indycar world"
that he doesnt know how to, make great music videos and make all the fans happy, if he wolud come to this forum or indycar.com talkback and see how fans feel maybe then we woludnt get things,, that make us say huh??

note to tony if you are trying to get more fans make music videos that are done by big name bands, of today world, if you are trying to reach out to the younger fan base of today, cuz it seems that way with marco, danica, rahal
young drivers = younger fan base

[Wilf]

Most critics don't wait seven years to post their drivel.

[NickFalzone]

I'm not going to argue about the quality of the video, I watched a minute and don't intend watch the rest. But I doubt very much that Tony George was sitting just off camera in the director's chair calling action, telling the cinematographer where to put the camera, I doubt he came up with a storyboard or shot list, or was heavily involved in editing. I would guess he had some meetings with the creative crew and had a number of bad ideas including the Jag, that everyone kissed his ass and put in the script. But he actually has a production company called IMS Productions that probably put this together. Not laying the blame entirely on them either, but it probably took a lot more bad ideas than just those emailed to the crew by Tony.

[The instant classic]

I'm not going to argue about the quality of the video, I watched a minute and don't intend watch the rest. But I doubt very much that Tony George was sitting just off camera in the director's chair calling action, telling the cinematographer where to put the camera, I doubt he came up with a storyboard or shot list, or was heavily involved in editing. I would guess he had some meetings with the creative crew and had a number of bad ideas including the Jag, that everyone kissed his ass and put in the script. But he actually has a production company called IMS Productions that probably put this together. Not laying the blame entirely on them either, but it probably took a lot more bad ideas than just those emailed to the crew by Tony.
i agree with everyone kissed his ***
and i do belive thats what hurts tony and indycar is that tony is not a very good business man (outside of the indy 500) and hes got "yes men" around him telling him good idea boss great idea boss, and thats why video like that are so bad, and fans could argue over you like ovals or road/street tracks, but he doesnt have the right, guys around him to help, send indycar down the right path, he really needs guys to speak there minds and are not scared to say NO,

[Mark in Oshawa]

I'm not going to argue about the quality of the video, I watched a minute and don't intend watch the rest. But I doubt very much that Tony George was sitting just off camera in the director's chair calling action, telling the cinematographer where to put the camera, I doubt he came up with a storyboard or shot list, or was heavily involved in editing. I would guess he had some meetings with the creative crew and had a number of bad ideas including the Jag, that everyone kissed his ass and put in the script. But he actually has a production company called IMS Productions that probably put this together. Not laying the blame entirely on them either, but it probably took a lot more bad ideas than just those emailed to the crew by Tony.

It isn't that he did all the little bits and pieces such as setting the scenes and so forth. We really have no idea how much of his input when into this but it is VERY safe to say he had no idea of just how boring and silly it looked.

Listen, selling racing is not that tough but if I saw that video, there is nothing really there that tells me to go to the races. It really doesn't. Most of the faces we fans recognize mean little to 80% of the public. That and how little they actually showed the races and then it was just blurs going by on a stationary camera often. It wont work......and it doesn't. We wont even go into trying to figure out why Tony need to spend 30 seconds out of the 4 mins showing off the XK120

[garyshell]

Most critics don't wait seven years to post their drivel.


But Wilf, are you surprised? There is one among us here who seems to like to go back and dredge up old footage like this.

As for the folks treating this as if it was some advertising piece, I ask when is the last time you saw a four minute advertisment? I am very curious how this piece was actually used? Does anyone know the context in which it was presented? Without context it is a little tough to figure out exactly how good or bad it was at fulfilling its intended goal.

But hey there are so many folks here who can deduce the intended maening of the spoken word by just reading some reporters written quotes, why should I be surprised that there are some who thing they are Roger Ebert and can say how well this video met it's goal without know the context.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this was a great video. All I am saying is I have no idea what this piece is.

Gary

[DanicaFan]

It wasnt a bad video. You can tell it was a few years ago. Sam Hornish wearing the yellow Penske racing suit. They need a modern version now and show some Danica in it. :D

[ShiftingGears]

A mindbendingly repulsive video.

[indycool]

It looks to me like a sponsor-selling video tool to use in a meeting or presentation. It's too long for a TV advertisement and it acts like it tries to depict an overview of the series, participants, fans, etc.

[SarahFan]

But Wilf, are you surprised? There is one among us here who seems to like to go back and dredge up old footage like this.

As for the folks treating this as if it was some advertising piece, I ask when is the last time you saw a four minute advertisment? I am very curious how this piece was actually used? Does anyone know the context in which it was presented? Without context it is a little tough to figure out exactly how good or bad it was at fulfilling its intended goal.

But hey there are so many folks here who can deduce the intended maening of the spoken word by just reading some reporters written quotes, why should I be surprised that there are some who thing they are Roger Ebert and can say how well this video met it's goal without know the context.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this was a great video. All I am saying is I have no idea what this piece is.

Gary

Gary... your funny

[garyshell]

I am curious, does anyone know what the original context/intent was for this video? If it was just a "warm-up" for an IRL meeting of some sort, it may not be so bad. It it was intended for sponsorship proposal presentation, it was way wide of the mark. Anyone know when/how it was originally shown?

Gary

[Rex Monaco]

We wont even go into trying to figure out why Tony need to spend 30 seconds out of the 4 mins showing off the XK120

That was the best part of the video! Personally, I find the words in the song to be the most offensive part of the video.

[SarahFan]

But Wilf, are you surprised? There is one among us here who seems to like to go back and dredge up old footage like this.

As for the folks treating this as if it was some advertising piece, I ask when is the last time you saw a four minute advertisment? I am very curious how this piece was actually used? Does anyone know the context in which it was presented? Without context it is a little tough to figure out exactly how good or bad it was at fulfilling its intended goal.

But hey there are so many folks here who can deduce the intended maening of the spoken word by just reading some reporters written quotes, why should I be surprised that there are some who thing they are Roger Ebert and can say how well this video met it's goal without know the context.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this was a great video. All I am saying is I have no idea what this piece is.

Gary

Context?

it's safe to assume that at the very Minimum it was produced to promote the IRL in a positive light.....based on some of the posting it appears some fans don't feel it does...

and it's interesting that you readily project the reason it was posted was negative yet in the same post question the motivation of the video itself.... don't look now but thats agenda.... interestingly (and telling) is that I got an infraction from the mods/forum for finding your double standard silly

personnally I think it's a cool video.....and i posted it becuase i was suprised to find out Tony is also a video director

* hey it's a slow off-season filled with negative news regarding the economy the overall state of auto racing....is a promotional video focused on the IRL and directed by Tony george not a relative topic for discussion?

[IWUTitan90]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

but i guess thats what comes from a track owner truned indycar owner,
that never work for his racing series, daddy made it and tony just came along and took it over and has just made it,,cheesy

You really don't have the slightest idea what your talking about, do you?

[The instant classic]

You really don't have the slightest idea what your talking about, do you?
i sure do know what im talking about,
its like i have always said, hes not a very good busniess man, he didnt work for his racing, everything he has, was handed down from his daddy,

[Mark in Oshawa]

IRL fan...that may be true on some levels, but even I one of his detractors in the past will freely admit on many levels he is a competant administrator. What I have always contended is he should NOT be doing anything to do with the marketing. Run the series. Hire smart accomplished people to research markets and how to get new views in without alienating the old. He shouldn't be directing videos. That much is clear.

Tony may have inherited the speedway, but he built the IRL and like or not defeated the car owners in CART. Now we can argue he couldn't really lose but I would wager that he was at least smart enough to know what advantages he had and now he controls Indy Car racing. For better or worse.

[The instant classic]

"Hire smart accomplished people to research markets" i agree with that, i do think that tony has alot of "yes men" around him, he sholud have stand up guys backing him on all levels, but also, have guys to look him in the eye and say, this is wrong, on whatever seems dumb to fans,
yes he bulit the IRL..if i dont say it someone will, he bulit the IRL but the word of 2013 being the last year, cuz the economy crisis, and will show what kind of owner he really is, if he can pull indycar through this. i hope to think all his haters, and basher will stop hating on him? if he pulls through

[IWUTitan90]

i sure do know what im talking about,
its like i have always said, hes not a very good busniess man, he didnt work for his racing, everything he has, was handed down from his daddy,

Again, you don't have the slightest idea what your talking about.

I'll throw you a bone, Tony's father, ELMER GEORGE, drove in the Indianapolis 500 3 times. That's it. If "everything he has, was handed down from his daddy", then he is one hell of a business man to achieve what he has.

Like it or not, he is the last man standing. Penske, Patrick, Haas and Kalkhoven, all who counted on Tony not being a "very good business man", now or have run cars in HIS series. He did everything he needed to do to keep his BUSINESS running, as Mark said, "for better or worse". It has been argued for 12 plus years on what "seems dumb to fans", but as a fan you really have two choices. Support it or don't.

As a fan there are many things I don't agree with, MANY. On a business level, without the advantage of hindsight, what would you, I or anyone here have done differently? I just find it odd that someone who is deemed such a terrible business man, outlasted all the competition. What then does that make them? Besides "out of business"? ;)

[indycool]

As a correction to the sarcasm, TG didn't take it over from his daddy. He took it over from his mommy, but essentially it was run for the family by Joe Cloutier after his grandfather died.

And I'm sure he APPROVED the video, but I seriously doubt that, in fact, he directed it. That just seems like a PC thing.

[IWUTitan90]

As a correction to the sarcasm, TG didn't take it over from his daddy. He took it over from his mommy, but essentially it was run for the family by Joe Cloutier after his grandfather died.

And I'm sure he APPROVED the video, but I seriously doubt that, in fact, he directed it. That just seems like a PC thing.


Awww IC, you went and made it easy. A little research never hurt anyone, just trying to show that Google can be ones friend. ;)

[The instant classic]

Again, you don't have the slightest idea what your talking about.

I'll throw you a bone, Tony's father, ELMER GEORGE, drove in the Indianapolis 500 3 times. That's it. If "everything he has, was handed down from his daddy", then he is one hell of a business man to achieve what he has.

Like it or not, he is the last man standing. Penske, Patrick, Haas and Kalkhoven, all who counted on Tony not being a "very good business man", now or have run cars in HIS series. He did everything he needed to do to keep his BUSINESS running, as Mark said, "for better or worse". It has been argued for 12 plus years on what "seems dumb to fans", but as a fan you really have two choices. Support it or don't.

As a fan there are many things I don't agree with, MANY. On a business level, without the advantage of hindsight, what would you, I or anyone here have done differently? I just find it odd that someone who is deemed such a terrible business man, outlasted all the competition. What then does that make them? Besides "out of business"? ;) the story i was told was, tony was the main guy behind the open weel split in the 90s,
but for outlasting others, champcar was nothing but road and street tracks and thats just a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz if they race on ovals wolud they have been great? heck yeah,
but for running his "competiton out of business" he seems to be doing that well for himself last i heard with the talk of 2013 ;)
if hes so great then why do half the indycar community hate him?
what i know about tony is what others have told me, ( i never grow up an open weel fan) so i have learn my open weel racing hisory from others, and if they tell me tony, the man behind the split, and was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, i have to take there good word on that deal,

[The instant classic]

As a correction to the sarcasm, TG didn't take it over from his daddy. He took it over from his mommy, but essentially it was run for the family by Joe Cloutier after his grandfather died.

And I'm sure he APPROVED the video, but I seriously doubt that, in fact, he directed it. That just seems like a PC thing.
ah thank you for that, like i said in my other post all i know about tony is from storys other fans have told me, and i try and take everyone good word on the deal, im sure yr right on this

[NickFalzone]

I think that Tony George is a poor public speaker, does not have very good ideas on marketing, and is largely responsible for the split that brought us to the weak AOW that we have today. That being said, I do NOT think he is a bad businessman. He has not simply thrown good money after bad for the last decade, the IRL has genuinely done OK enough to be the last man standing. And if he has the right marketing and management working around him, his series could become quite successful. I also appreciate his dedication to oval racing, and keeping the 500 as the centerpiece to American open-wheel racing. Yes, he's made bad decisions, and yes he's hurt open wheel in many ways. But it's not as simple as he sucks, and he should go. We're at a point where IndyCar racing can either thrive, or collapse. I'm confident we'll see improved on-track product over the next 3-4 years, including more cars and more races. But it may well go the other way. Right now, with the unified series, it's up to him to succeed or fail. To say failure is inevitable due to Tony's business acumen is simply ignorant.

[The instant classic]

I think that Tony George is a poor public speaker, does not have very good ideas on marketing, and is largely responsible for the split that brought us to the weak AOW that we have today. That being said, I do NOT think he is a bad businessman. He has not simply thrown good money after bad for the last decade, the IRL has genuinely done OK enough to be the last man standing. And if he has the right marketing and management working around him, his series could become quite successful. I also appreciate his dedication to oval racing, and keeping the 500 as the centerpiece to American open-wheel racing. Yes, he's made bad decisions, and yes he's hurt open wheel in many ways. But it's not as simple as he sucks, and he should go. We're at a point where IndyCar racing can either thrive, or collapse. I'm confident we'll see improved on-track product over the next 3-4 years, including more cars and more races. But it may well go the other way. Right now, with the unified series, it's up to him to succeed or fail. To say failure is inevitable due to Tony's business acumen is simply ignorant.
i could agree with that one, as i think his haters and fans wolud also agree, i think they wolud and hope

[SarahFan]

And I'm sure he APPROVED the video, but I seriously doubt that, in fact, he directed it. That just seems like a PC thing.



then why would the video clearly state Tony was the director?

[SarahFan]

I think that Tony George is a poor public speaker, does not have very good ideas on marketing, and is largely responsible for the split that brought us to the weak AOW that we have today. That being said, I do NOT think he is a bad businessman. .

huh?

[indycool]

Ken, read the post: "It's probably a PC thing." I have never heard that TG was a professional director of video or even an amateur director of video.

IRL Fan, a clue, if you're the newbie just listening to what's said to get up to speed: Rex Monaco and MDS will whack on the IRL and TG at random. Ken will stick the knife in subtly. Gary Shell will make sense, pro or con, maybe the most forthright poster here. Similarly, Mark in Oshawa will discuss things reasonably. Downtown Deco and I have been on the IRL side of things for quite awhile and WILL attack the unreasonable CW-style stuff.

So, listen to who you want to.

[The instant classic]

ok thanks indycool

i have been watching indycar since 2002,the way i always feel is, back few years ago when i was the newbie i never posted views, cuz i never wanted to be a fan that watchs for 1 week, and i know more then life time watcher,
i feel now i have watch long anuff, so im jummping into what i like, what i hate, i pretty much listen to everyone views here, some i agree with, some i dont, but i dont want to be blind and one sided, so im open to anything

[SarahFan]

Ken, read the post: "It's probably a PC thing." I have never heard that TG was a professional director of video or even an amateur director of video.

.

I read the post.... it just makes absolutely zero sense is all....


why would it be politically correct to list TG as the director of the video if he in fact wasn't?

[indycool]

Because he's the big kid, I suppose......

[SarahFan]

Because he's the big kid, I suppose......


do you think if the penske media machine had produced a similar video for his car dealerships or his truck leaseing biz and they presented it to Roger for approval and poised the idea of listing Roger as the director becuase he's the 'Big Kid' that Roger would think it was good idea or consider it for even a second?


sorry IC..... listing TG as the director simply for PR makes zero sense

[indycool]

Boy, there's just gotta be something more important to argue about.

[Rex Monaco]

Downtown Deco and I have been on the IRL side of things for quite awhile and WILL attack the unreasonable CW-style stuff.

And while in their highly partisan IRLista attack mode, they too will show themselves to be unreasonable.

[Rex Monaco]

Rex Monaco and MDS will whack on the IRL and TG at random.

Some of us criticize the IRL when and where it is warranted. The IRListas want to declare all criticism of the IRL and TG off limits.

[downtowndeco]

Some of these guys are having to stretch pretty far for new material. : ).


Boy, there's just gotta be something more important to argue about.

[Rex Monaco]

Gary Shell will make sense, pro or con, maybe the most forthright poster here.

When he's not intentionally taking peoples words out of context just to be contrarian.

[Marbles]

As far as Tony George directing, I think he may have stood behind someone who was somewhat familiar with Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro and said something along the lines of , "Cut, stop, go back , insert that there, stop, go back again!" Whatever his input, there is no doubt that TG is involved in the making of this clip.

If Tony George was 14 years old and in Grade 9, I would have to give him big marks. But... he ain't and that's what's so sad. Guys like Penske and Ganassi must shudder when they see this stuff.

In all honesty Indycool and downtowndeco, videos like these must have a certain cringe factor for even guys like you. What would you say to TG about this sort of stuff if you had his ear? Keep it up? Scale it back? Hire professionals?

[indycool]

To be honest, I think the video has its good points and unnecessary points. IMO, the haters wouldn't hate it so badly if it had listed Oswald Stumpledinck as director.

[downtowndeco]

I agree. And make it a CCWS spot, put Paul Newman in the Jag & we'd all be hearing about how it put a tear in your eye.

It's a so so promo spot, nothing to write home about but I've seen worse. Certainly not even worth starting a thread about.


To be honest, I think the video has its good points and unnecessary points. IMO, the haters wouldn't hate it so badly if it had listed Oswald Stumpledinck as director.

[SarahFan]

It's a so so promo spot, nothing to write home about but I've seen worse. Certainly not even worth starting a thread about.

not worth starting a thread over?

of coarse that is projecting the reason it was posted was negative?

is it the thread starters fault that some forum members hated it?

[garyshell]

not worth starting a thread over?

of coarse that is projecting the reason it was posted was negative?

is it the thread starters fault that some forum members hated it?


Of course it is projecting that, given the track record of the "thread starter" on this forum and the total lack of anything positive about the video in that first thread, what else would one expect? If the "thread starter" thought something was postive about it, why didn't the "thread starter" say so?

Gary

[Mark in Oshawa]

I would think it was stupid if they had Paul Newman in it in a similar role, but Paul would be smart enough to say no to something this goofy being released. I would hate it if Oswald Stumpdinck was the director too IC. It isn't that Tony directed it, it is that a a promo video it shows me a lot of faces and very little racing or excitement. It is a lame product and to put one's name on this as if he did something right makes me question Tony's judgement. I don't think he is a bad guy, I think he is a DUMB guy on things like this.....

[indycool]

Aw, Mark, I don't even think it's worth discussing.

[Mark in Oshawa]

IC...I disagree. It is only worth discussing because someone thought the video was lame and I agreed. It wasn't the director that was the issue in the end. It was the guy who released it........oh ya..same guy.

[Wilf]

IC...I disagree. It is only worth discussing because someone thought the video was lame and I agreed. It wasn't the director that was the issue in the end. It was the guy who released it........oh ya..same guy.

My New Years resolution: present alternative thoughts.

Isn't there another Tony George?

[indycool]

Mark, the discussion wasn't about who released it, it was who directed it. The thing was 2-3 years old. We don't know what it was used for. Some even liked it, even though none of us know what it was used for -- if anything. It's just another attempt to pick fly crap out of the pepper. Therefore, I believe this discussion has extremely little merit, if any.

[SarahFan]

Therefore, I believe this discussion has extremely little merit, if any.

yet you chose to post 8 times in the thread.....

hmmmm