09 upgrades

[Sulland]

We know that Abarth are doing quite big changes for 09.

What about the other brands, are they updating their cars ?

Especially in the light of the latest FIA decision on WRC future, based on S2000, will that have an impact already in 09 ?

[Sulland]

Are Peugeot reckoning that the 207 will stay at the top also for 09, or are they upgrading something ?

[Mirek]

For sure they homologate new parts once per year as allowed.

[Abarth]

But what is the competitors doing ?

My brand is doing quite a bit to catch up to the leader of the pack, I hope it works.

[Sulland]

Are Peugeot reckoning that the 207 will stay at the top also for 09, or are they upgrading something ?

So I take it they are not doing anything, and bet on that they are still best ?

[Mirek]

You take it wrong way. Of course they homologate new parts as soon as they are allowed. Everyone does that way.

[Sulland]

]You take it wrong way. Of course they homologate new parts as soon as they are allowed. Everyone does that way.


Yes, but will the 207 have any new parts for 09, or will they basically run in 08 spec ?
:confused:

[Tom206wrc]

All I know is that Sarrazin and a Peugeot engineer both are confident the 207 is very strong again but expressed little worries about Skoda pace(and in the opposite weren't impressed by Abarth)... ;)

[Mirek]

Yes, but will the 207 have any new parts for 09, or will they basically run in 08 spec ?
:confused:

Yes, of course.

[RS]

As far as I understood it, the homologation rules on S2000s are tighter than on WRCs, so it surprised me Abarth were able to make so many changes for their '09 model. Anyone know the truth about the rules?

Watching the test videos, the new Abarth looks very similar to the old model. I thought it might have a new 'attitude' with the xtrac transmission like the Skoda does but maybe that is just down to the engine.

[Sulland]

They will continue to develop the Polo in both RSA and Europe:

Translated: http://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/int/d5/n5/d/2009/01/26/polo-s2000-wird-weiter-entwickelt/index.html

Good news, but they need someone in Europe to further develop the gravel undertray !

[OldF]

As far as I understood it, the homologation rules on S2000s are tighter than on WRCs, so it surprised me Abarth were able to make so many changes for their '09 model. Anyone know the truth about the rules?


Here is a link to only homologation regulations I’ve ever found. http://www.rallystar.co.za/article/articleview/2605/1/1/

I think these are the original ones because they are from year 2004. What has been changed after I don’t know?

Here are the chapters concerning homologation.

7.12 Jokers
A maximum of 10 "jokers" is authorised per Super 2000 Rally homologation extension, but after the 12 months following the homologation of the Super 2000 Rally extension have elapsed, only 5 "jokers" are authorised.


***

Over a period of 12 months starting from the homologation of an erratum, it is possible to use the part homologated in erratum or the part previously homologated under the following conditions:

- From the time a competitor uses a part homologated in erratum, he must no longer use the part previously homologated.
- At the end of this 12-month period, only the part mentioned in the erratum is valid.

7.13 Dossier to be supplied
Each year, the manufacturer must send the FIA a dossier which must contain:
- A list of all the parts of the kit
- The instructions for assembling the kit
- The unit price of each part featured on the list published by FIA (these unit prices when added together must not exceed 115% of the price of the complete car ready to race).
The maximum price of a car that is ready to race (i.e. as presented at the start for rallies on asphalt) must not exceed 150,000 Euros (before taxes).
The car that is ready to race as well as the spare parts must be available at any time and for any competitor.

7.14 Option Variant (VO)
Option Variants Super 2000-Rally are only valid for cars of the Super 2000 – Rally type, and may concern the following parts:

- anti-roll bars
- anti-roll bar anchorages
- engine supports
- gearbox supports
- upper suspension points
- power assisted steering pump
- master cylinder
- windscreen

7.15 Erratum (ER)
An erratum is the discovery and correction of an incorrect piece of information previously supplied on a form by the manufacturer.
An erratum thus deletes and replaces this piece of information. Errata enable the correction of errors made in compiling the form, and not the replacement of existing parts. If an erratum has already been accepted for an item, it can no longer be corrected in this fashion. No production minimum is required for an erratum.
Concerning the correction, the incorrect data and the number of the article (or photo) modified must be clearly stated.

The details of the erroneous information (basic form page, number of the extension, etc.) must also be mentioned on this erratum form.



ARTICLE 8: SUBMISSION OF APPLICATIONS FOR HOMOLOGATION


All the parts of the kit must be marked legibly and show at least the following indications:
- the name of the manufacturer,
- the year of homologation of the kit.
Furthermore, if the chassis/shell is modified by the kit, the manufacturers must indicate on the homologation form, in the section "complementary information":
- the sentences: "The manufacturer must issue an original certificate to the recipient of the mounted kit. This certificate must be presented for any use of the car equipped with this kit."
- the list of tuners recognised as being qualified to mount these chassis/shell kits.
- the location in which the identification number of the modified chassis/shells is to be found on these chassis/shells.
These tuners must provide each customer with an original certificate testifying that his car has been mounted in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
The manufacturers must send the FIA a full dossier for the mounting of the chassis/shell kits, containing at least:
- instructions for assembling the kit.
- the list of identification numbers of the chassis/shells modified by the kit.



ARTICLE 9: SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION FOR CERTAIN APPLICATIONS


Modification of the chassis/shell
Should an application for homologation present one or more modifications of the chassis/shell of the car, the form must include the following declaration signed by the manufacturer's accredited representative: "The modifications carried out on the chassis/shell do not modify the resistance of the car in case of impact."

The original material of the parts which are modified in line with these regulations must be used.

ARTICLE 10: LAPSED HOMOLOGATIONS

The production connected with the Super 2000 Rally Kit Variant (VK-S2000-Rally) (see article 10 of the "Homologation Regulations for Group A and B Cars") will not affect the minimum production figure for the extension of the car's homologation.
The Super 2000 Rally Kit Variant (VK-S2000-Rally) is valid for 7 years after the end of production of the model from which it is derived.



ARTICLE 11: SCHEDULE OF HOMOLOGATION PROCEDURES


Application deadline Date of commencement
(see Article 1.5) of validity of
homologations granted

15 November 2003 1 January 2004
15 February 2004 1 March 2004
1 June 2004 1 July 2004
1 September 2004 1 October 2004

ARTICLE 12: PROVISIONAL HOMOLOGATION

Manufacturers have the possibility of obtaining provisional Group N homologation of the family and the model from which the kit is derived, before the total production necessary for definitive homologation has been reached, on condition that:
- cars of the model and family under consideration are freely on sale to customers;
- the total production of the family under consideration (25,000 units), and of the model under consideration (2500 units), is completed before the start of the last event in the Championship of the current year;
- all other homologation requirements are fulfilled.


If the full production is not completed before the deadline, the manufacturer:
- will be excluded from all the results of the current year;
- will be fined a considerable sum of money;
- will be suspended for one year.

[OldF]

This is the Joker rule at the moment.

7.11 Jokers
A maximum of 10 "jokers" is authorised per Super 2000 Rally homologation extension, but after the 12 months following the homologation of the Super 2000 Rally extension have elapsed, only 5 "jokers" are authorised.
It is possible to homologate several errata for the same item.
***
Over a period of 12 months starting from the homologation of an erratum, it is possible to use the part homologated in erratum or the part previously homologated under the following conditions:

- From the time a competitor uses a part homologated in erratum, he must no longer use the part previously homologated.

- At the end of this 12-month period, only the part mentioned in the erratum is valid.

Additional jokers:
If the S2000 Rally extension has been homologated for more than 36 months, it will be possible to homologate 3 additional jokers. From the moment a competitor uses one of these parts homologated in erratum, he must no longer use the part previously homologated.
- Sensors and actuators:
In the event that the manufacturer is no longer in a position to supply the sensors and/or actuators homologated in VK-S2000R, it will be possible to homologate new sensors and/or actuators provided that the new sensors and/or actuators have exactly the same technical characteristics.

7.12 Dossier to be supplied
Each year, the manufacturer must send the FIA a dossier which must contain:
- A list of all the parts of the kit
- The instructions for assembling the kit
- The unit price of each part featured on the list published by FIA (these unit prices when added together must not exceed 115% of the price of the complete car ready to race).
The maximum price of a car that is ready to race (i.e. as presented at the start for rallies on asphalt) must not exceed 168'000 Euros (before taxes and registration costs).

The car that is ready to race as well as the spare parts must be available at any time and for any competitor.

[Sulland]

Do we have any reports on how the 09 upgrades worked, according to the drivers ?

[Mirek]

This is written on RGRS website:

Andreas Waldherr was on his way to a clear victory on the 2009 Janner rally in Austria until he touched a wall and broke the steering of his VW Polo S2000. he won 12 of the 17 Stages and showed the true potential of the VW Polo S2000 in 2009 Specification.

What's new, GTA? :)

[Sulland]

]This is written on RGRS website:

Andreas Waldherr was on his way to a clear victory on the 2009 Janner rally in Austria until he touched a wall and broke the steering of his VW Polo S2000. he won 12 of the 17 Stages and showed the true potential of the VW Polo S2000 in 2009 Specification.

What's new, GTA? :)

Yes Imperatore, What is new for 09 ?