2008 Wales Rally GB - official thread

[Daniel]

But you spectate at your own risk.
Sadly in this day and age it's always someone elses fault.

[Langdale Forest]

SS10 still not started.

[Tom206wrc]

SS10 running... ;)

[Langdale Forest]

No splits on wrc.com

[Daniel]

SS10 running... ;)
You're something else. Someone has apparently died and you're worried about stages......

[MikeD]

PWRC: Aigner is now down to 4th, and so despite Hanninen having retired he's still in the hunt for the title.

Aigner is 7.6 sec from the 3rd place (Baldacci) he needs to clinch the title.

[SubaruNorway]

Østberg still managed to continue, he fixed the car himself.

[ProRally]

It was after area signed as dangerous, but as I know this place and discussed with Pluto who is in Prague (we broadcasted live results as well) and they choosed not good position on T junction :(
On the other hand, I saw deadly accident on my own eyes few years ago in Slovakia, this man was standing at place, I was more than one hundred sure that's safe. But whe car went into air, he made late reaction and ... Since this, I know there is not REALLY safe place to watch rally

Very true...
That is why it always says on the tickets and passes 'Motorsport can be dangerous'

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala finished stage 10.

[Tom206wrc]

PWRC: Aigner is now down to 4th, and so despite Hanninen having retired he's still in the hunt for the title.

Aigner is 7.6 sec from the 3rd place (Baldacci) he needs to clinch the title.



You forgot Sandell :rolleyes:

Aigner is 3rd PWRC after SS9(one removed his 1 minute penalty), Sandell 4th, Baldacci 5th... ;)

[Halvis]

All times on wrc.com froze again?

[Abarth]

Who is this stephenson in the MG ? Is he a gentleman driver ?

[SubaruNorway]

Østberg just driving around in safe mode, but still faster than Duval and Henning :p

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb in the lead after SS11 :p :


Edit: mistake !!! Loeb is still 2nd overall at 8s from Latvala :mark:

[Micke_VOC]

Loeb in the lead after SS11 :p :

??
After SS11.
LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M.
01:09:58.0
LOEB S. / ELENA D.
01:10:07.9
+00:09.9

[Mauri A]

Loeb in the lead after SS11 :p :
Keep on making those silly comments!

[rp]

Loeb in the lead after SS11 :p :

You should stop dreaming....!

[jonkka]

Some of these times are unbelievable... Henning?!? :eek:

[jonkka]

A minute faster than Duval in last split? Nope...

[Ghostwalker]

Keep on making those silly comments!

well i saw it too for a short while. the results said that Loeb was ahead of Latvala after stage 11. Probably there is some problems with the timing system or webupdate system.

[rallymaster]

Who is this stephenson in the MG ? Is he a gentleman driver ?

Yes, he is an amateur driver and this is his first event in the MGS2000. This car is the only RHD model built...the other 4 are LHD

[Gard]

Henning fastest by 1.5s in last split, so the finishing time must be wrong. Can't take 40s in 3 min

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell best time PWRC in SS10 and now 3rd overall of PWRC :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Keep on making those silly comments!


See my "edit" it was a mistake from the site I watched :rolleyes:

[Halvis]

Hennings time is obviously incorrect, if there haven't been some very strange circumstances on the stage that only he avoided... Unlikely.

Otherwise, Østberg is still going very well, shows that he can drive very fast also without the huge advantage he had yesterday because of road position. Very promising!

[Mauri A]

See my "edit" it was a mistake from the site I watched :rolleyes:
O.K., you are forgiven!

[Daniel]

Well it's going to get nice and cold tonight. Don't expect the stages tomorrow to be easy to drive.....

[Tom206wrc]

Results SS11 frozen from the Pwrcs ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell very very fast :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell passes Aigner overall GREEEEAAATTTT :bounce: :bounce:

[WRC1]

WILKS G. / PUGH P. (st. č. 60) "Turbo hose went off. Now we run whole stage without turbo."

yeah!! mr wilks, a grN car without turbo is faster as jones, rossi and clark in wrc machine AND faster than all other grN cars...

great driver this wilks

[Jaanus]

WILKS G. / PUGH P. (st. č. 60) "Turbo hose went off. Now we run whole stage without turbo."

yeah!! mr wilks, a grN car without turbo is faster as jones, rossi and clark in wrc machine AND faster than all other grN cars...

great driver this wilks

He was talking about stage number 10, he managed to fix it for the last stage number 11.

[Halvis]

Hennings time still unchanged, whats happening over there?

[WRC1]

He was talking about stage number 10, he managed to fix it for the last stage number 11.

ok!
sorry mr wilks!

[Halvis]

Hennings time still unchanged, whats happening over there?

And there it is changed. 5th place, +4.6, still a good time.

[John V]

WILKS G. / PUGH P. (st. č. 60) "Turbo hose went off. Now we run whole stage without turbo."

yeah!! mr wilks, a grN car without turbo is faster as jones, rossi and clark in wrc machine AND faster than all other grN cars...

great driver this wilks

Sorry, it was my fault, I missed to type stage number in hurry :(

[Sulland]

Sandell very very fast :eek:

He said on his homepage that he was to speed up today, after taking it a bit easy yesterday in difficult conditions.

The swedes are fast in these conditions it seems, 3 in top 14 is not usual any more....

[ZequeArgentina]

Ogier is out, is not him?
He appears in all satges with not exactly 5 minutes (for Superrally reasons), but with a specific tiem in each of the day 3 stages.
All of them arround 5 minutes and something, just a mistake by wrc.com or he has continue.

I have no record of a change in superally penalty assignment for each stage not run (PWRC still shows 5 m over faster of PWRC)

[bluuford]

Ogier is out, is not him?
He appears in all satges with not exactly 5 minutes (for Superrally reasons), but with a specific tiem in each of the day 3 stages.
All of them arround 5 minutes and something, just a mistake by wrc.com or he has continue.

I have no record of a change in superally penalty assignment for each stage not run (PWRC still shows 5 m over faster of PWRC)
He is P2 driver and his times are best P2 driver + 5 min

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, Ogier is out.

I think Latvala can win, because Loeb and Sordo must be thinking about the constructors championship.

[White Sauron]

Patrik Flodin's performance is amazing!! This can be the first victory for the N14 Impreza, and this car was built (not prepared - BUILT) in Russia!
Trully amazing.

[Sulland]

Will Ogier start tomorrow ?

And are timings on WRC.com in GMT, so 12 will start 14 21 ?

[ProRally]

Patrik Flodin's performance is amazing!! This can be the first victory for the N14 Impreza, and this car was built (not prepared - BUILT) in Russia!
Trully amazing.

As I wrote earlier in the thread, Flodin is testing/showing potential of URT build car....

[Anti-Lag-Rocks]

Is there no mention of the mentioned spectator fatality anywhere (with Kuzaj)? Did it really happen? I know guys on here have a few sources, but you would think it might be reported elsewhere as well?

[subaru 28]

come on A.Aigner go go go

[Daniel]

Is there no mention of the mentioned spectator fatality anywhere (with Kuzaj)? Did it really happen? I know guys on here have a few sources, but you would think it might be reported elsewhere as well?
Well I had an email off someone else who says that it happened. You do realise it wasn't in Rally GB right?

[ZequeArgentina]

He is P2 driver and his times are best P2 driver + 5 min


Upss, embarrasing mistake by myself...........

[Tom206wrc]

In a very few minutes, start of SS12, the rerun of SS9 and its 30km long...

Go SANDELL GOOOOOO !!!! :bounce:

[JRodrigues]

Atkinson's accident on-board video: http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=300&featureid=883&desc=GB%202008:%20Atko%20off

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb 1.5s faster than Latvala on split 1... ;)

[jonkka]

Fight is on...

[jonkka]

JML seems to be able to keep his lead

[jparker]

So, what Citroen needs to get the title?

[jonkka]

So, what Citroen needs to get the title?

That Ford doesn't score more than 11 points more than they. And as things stand now, title goes to Satory.

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen is attacking :eek:

[Daniel]

Atkinson's accident on-board video: http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=300&featureid=883&desc=GB%202008:%20Atko%20off
****

[JRodrigues]

Hirvonen is attacking :eek:

Nothing to loose + running behind the others

[Sulland]

Sandell opened very fast, but are now loosing to Flodin and Aigner on the splits...

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell opened very fast, but are now loosing to Flodin and Aigner on the splits...



He lost 6s to Flodin, but was losing on first passage already(SS9)...in the two next stages he could be fastest PWRC again ;)

[MG Rally]

Who is this stephenson in the MG ? Is he a gentleman driver ?

Yes he is indeed a 'gentleman' or amateur driver. Peter has had the car since March, but has been very busy with work, so this is his debut event in the car and his first rally since 2007 Rally GB I think.

I'm pretty sure the MG retired in the watersplash at SS5 : Sweet Lamb 2 yesterday, but then continued under Super Rally this morning. He is now up to 51st Overall & 27th in Class N4 after SS11 : Crychan 1.

Here are a couple of photos of the MG in service on Thursday - there are more on my forum - www.mgs2000.co.uk (http://www.mgs2000.co.uk)

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6418/dsc9357fi1.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8287/dsc9513cz2.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Nice livery the MG !!!! Beautiful car !!!! :) :)

[jonas_mcrae]

Nice Pics, anyoune got any or Oiger's C4? I still can only find the ones at rally gb site (low res) and the very nice pictures from Suzuki guys (high res) http://www.suzukisport.com/wrc/e/p-v/index.html

[Tom206wrc]

Ten minutes before start SS13 ;)

[bt52b]

Anyone got the media guide?

[Tom206wrc]

OK SS13 running... :)

[René]

Who know this crews N° 94 CAVE Tomas. / PRICE G. FORD Fiesta ST 38 th overall after stage 12 and first of the N3???
Very nice job in these conditions...........

[jonkka]

Loeb is missing from the splits...

[Viking]

Loeb splits?

[Koppomsbo]

what wíth splits on 13? Loeb is gone?

[Ghostwalker]

no splits for seb?

[MikeD]

Arggg ... Why the fück are WRR playing music now!!!!

It's pretty crucial if Loeb is out....instead we get Cher :(

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb ???? :confused:

[Koppomsbo]

Arggg ... Why the fück are WRR playing music now!!!!

It's pretty crucial if Loeb is out....instead we get Cher :(

If loebs out, ill guess he will sing "If i could turn back time" :D

[Ghostwalker]

it could also be some problem with the gps transponder in sebs car

[jonkka]

It's pretty crucial if Loeb is out....

I don't think he's out, these things happen once in a while.

[ITC55]

Who know this crews N° 94 CAVE Tomas. / PRICE G. FORD Fiesta ST 38 th overall after stage 12 and first of the N3???
Very nice job in these conditions...........

That guy is the 17 year old that just passed his driving test a few days ago, very impressive, i have heard of him rallying in Latvia (I think?) at 15 and thought he was just some rich kid but he is definitly holding his own, considering there are what i would consider a few quick guys in N3.
Jemma Price is Anthony warmbolds old co-driver

[bt52b]

Seb 6s quicker

[MikeD]

If Loeb is out the manu title looks like this atm.

1.Ford - 10p
2. Citroen - 8p
3. Subaru - 6p
4. Suzuki - 5p
5. Stobart - 4p
6. Suzuki - 3p
7. Ford - 2p

...in other words Ford increases the title with 4 points which isn't enough to claim title. They need to get 8 points or more than Citroën to win title.

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb is there and faster than Latvala apparently :D

[Ghostwalker]

seb is through 6secs faster then latvala

[bt52b]

Bosse on Rally FM now

[René]

That guy is the 17 year old that just passed his driving test a few days ago, very impressive, i have heard of him rallying in Latvia (I think?) at 15 and thought he was just some rich kid but he is definitly holding his own, considering there are what i would consider a few quick guys in N3.
Jemma Price is Anthony warmbolds old co-driver

Thanks!
It is the nice beginning for this young man, It will be necessary and interesting to follow his performances next year !!

[Viking]

Strange that both Citroens missing in the splits hmmm.....

[jonkka]

Strange that both Citroens missing in the splits hmmm.....

They are driving without lights to scare Latvala...

[René]

Latvala said after stage 12 at arrival of that he did not want to be first on the road tomorrow.......
It's could be the answer on it :)

[John V]

Just update about accident in Praha this morning. Confirmed Polish nationality of dead spectator, another spectator from 4 injured transported into hospital in very critical state, doctors said, they not believe he will survive :(

[MikeD]

Hard to play the tactical game when there's no splits...

Very exiting (IMHO)...even though I don't like tactics.

[Langdale Forest]

SS14 running, Østberg faster than JML on first split.

[Ghostwalker]

östberg stopped on stage

[jonas_mcrae]

I know someone post it earlier in the discussion but I cant find it, can some one post the splits link again plase? I'm at a different computer!

[Ghostwalker]

Loeb is 8 secs slower the JMl on this stage

[WRC1]

I know someone post it earlier in the discussion but I cant find it, can some one post the splits link again plase? I'm at a different computer!

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GB&stage=13

[jonkka]

wrc.com pages suck... one out of three refreshes works ok...

[Langdale Forest]

That is very annoying.

[jonas_mcrae]

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GB&stage=13

Yah I got wrc but as jonkka said, it kindda sucks, i thoought there was an other link working

[Sulland]

Østberg is out according to Petter. That was a shame, he was doing so well !

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb is 8 secs slower the JMl on this stage



He understood Latvala tactics :p :

[bt52b]

Østberg went off on sheet ice. He got out to warn other crews, otherwise more would have went off there too.

[Tom206wrc]

Guy Wilks ??? :confused:

[Ghostwalker]

Wilks have problems, there's coming smoke from his car but i didnt hear what had happened to him.

[Tom206wrc]

Again a great performance by Patrik Sandell back at +20s from Patrick Flodin and with four long stages to come tomorrow :bounce:

[Buzz Lightyear]

Hard to play the tactical game when there's no splits...

Very exiting (IMHO)...even though I don't like tactics.

right?

[bt52b]

RallyFM just reported JML arrived at the stadium with no clutch. Have to push it 300m!!!

[JRodrigues]

Is the SSS going to be on any TV chanell?

[Livewireshock]

Just reported that Latvalla noticed that the clutch was overheating in rush hour Cardiff traffic. So he deliberatedly stopped short and pushed the car so the clutch would not blow up.

The cool night air would make the clutch better in J.M.'s mind.

[noel157]

If I was a cynical sort of bloke I would be thinking that the clutch might cost J-M 11 secs or so on the Super Special.....Good thing I'm not....

[BGilbert]

Heres a few from a very challenging couple of days

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/Bengilbert_photos/loeb.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/Bengilbert_photos/solberg.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/Bengilbert_photos/hirvonen.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/Bengilbert_photos/conrad.jpg

[Ghostwalker]

If I was a cynical sort of bloke I would be thinking that the clutch might cost J-M 11 secs or so on the Super Special.....Good thing I'm not....

possible but he still have to go first on the SSS and Seb will still have his splits so what says that seb doesnt "accidentally" stall the car and loose 8-10 secs as well to "make up" for the gained seconds.

[bluuford]

possible but he still have to go first on the SSS and Seb will still have his splits so what says that seb doesnt "accidentally" stall the car and looses 10 secs as well?

SSS doesnt count. Starting order was already fixed after the last forest test. Looking the weather forecast I predict that mikko is going to win :-)

[bt52b]

He reckons it will be ok, as it will be cooling for 20mins by the time he's starting.

[Ghostwalker]

Loeb gains 3,5 seconds on Latvala on the SSS
Loeb now 7,5 seconds behind Jari-Matti Latvala

[Ghostwalker]

Loeb now 7,5 seconds behind Jari-Matti Latvala

[bt52b]

JML loses 3s, leads by 7.3s

[Salist]

Pictures and videos???

[Ghostwalker]

a good run by Sandell faster then Latvala, Rossi ...

[Tom206wrc]

RallyFM just reported JML arrived at the stadium with no clutch. Have to push it 300m!!!



Is it part of Ford's strategy game in order not him to sweep roads tomorrow ??? :s

[MikeD]

Is it part of Ford's strategy game in order not him to sweep roads tomorrow ??? :s

No, the startorder for tomorrow was decided by the results from the previous stage. JML's poor time must be related to his clutch problems.

[Ghostwalker]

Is it part of Ford's strategy game in order not him to sweep roads tomorrow ??? :s

dont worry the SSS wents Sebs way. Seb is now only 7, 3 secs behind and JML will still have to be the first on the roads tomorrow.

[Tom206wrc]

SSS doesnt count. Starting order was already fixed after the last forest test. Looking the weather forecast I predict that mikko is going to win :-)



It'll be definitely SEB, you'll see :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Araujo was fastest PWRC in SSS ahead of Sandell ;)

[Ghostwalker]

It'll be definitely SEB, you'll see :p :

yeah i think Seb will manage to overtake the lead but is 28 seconds enough for JML to hold off Sordo? its "only" 7 seconds/stage

[N.O.T]

Latvala will win the rally if he finishes it....

[Daniel]

Well it was already -0.4 here in sunny North Wales at about 6pm tonight so can only imagine it's a lot colder where the stages are down South. I wouldn't be surprised if Latvala and Loeb went off in the difficult road conditions tomorrow. If not for the silly tyre rules this would have been a great rally :mark:

[Ghostwalker]

Daniel i hope not. we want a good fight between the top three all the wayto the finish line.

[RS]

Is the SSS going to be on any TV chanell?

Don't be silly :D

TV coverage is not even as good as when the RAC was an F2 only event in 1996.

[noel157]

SSS doesnt count. Starting order was already fixed after the last forest test. Looking the weather forecast I predict that mikko is going to win :-)

Thanks Bluuford, didn't know the SS didn't count for road position.

Also, anybody know why Andy Aigner got a 1 min penalty (according to výsledky)?

[MJW]

Don't be silly :D

TV coverage is not even as good as when the RAC was an F2 only event in 1996.

Sorry if you missed it but it was on Welsh TV's RALIO programme. Nightly coverage of the rally plus and hour lomg round up next thursday.

[Daniel]

Sorry if you missed it but it was on Welsh TV's RALIO programme. Nightly coverage of the rally plus and hour lomg round up next thursday.
Some of the best coverage I've seen. Put the subtitles on and it's far less irritating than the crap you see on Eurosport or Dave :cheese: Do people in England get S4C if they don't have Sky or Virgin?

[jbmarcus21]

Nobody has got cardiff Super Special Stage with Marcus on RS Focus ?

[RS]

Sorry if you missed it but it was on Welsh TV's RALIO programme. Nightly coverage of the rally plus and hour lomg round up next thursday.

Even the SSS?

Didn't know about that, commentary in Welsh?

[c4]

Rally GB photos
http://www.rallybuzz.com/wales-rally-gb-day-2-results/

http://www.rallybuzz.com/suzuki-day-1-gb/

[ste898]

Nobody has got cardiff Super Special Stage with Marcus on RS Focus ?

Yes me too was hoping for some pics of the awesome new Focus RS!!!

[Daniel]

Even the SSS?

Didn't know about that, commentary in Welsh?
Commentary was Welsh yes but tbh when it's in English you never get told anything you wanted to be told anyway :p

[Tom206wrc]

No pics of Sandell's 207 S2000 in action :confused:

[bt52b]

Maybe try Ralio site later
http://www.ralio.co.uk/

[jbmarcus21]

Hey !

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/f/f/5ab402dc9d88cfcd830b6ec1757c6.jpg

[c4]

Suzuki Day 2 pics
http://www.rallybuzz.com/rally-great-britain-suzuki-day-2/

[Anti-Lag-Rocks]

Well I had an email off someone else who says that it happened. You do realise it wasn't in Rally GB right?

Ooops. Sorry - my bad. Thought it happened in GB. Still - very sad to hear.

[Daniel]

Ooops. Sorry - my bad. Thought it happened in GB. Still - very sad to hear.
I thought so too for a while as well ;)

[dyfi1]

Ooops. Sorry - my bad. Thought it happened in GB. Still - very sad to hear.

Finnish motorsport newspaper Vauhdin Maailma say Kuzai`s navigator was Craig Parry. is it same Craig Parry that navigates Gareth MacHale?

[jonkka]

Ok, first two cars on the road...

[White Sauron]

Hey, dear follow finns!
Just read the latest edition of the "RuutuLippu" book (by Vauhdin Vaailma), and must say that you're great and exposuring your country's sports achievements.
The only thing I didn't understand is why it had been published before the rally season concluded, and with Raikkonen on the cover, though I'd call Hirvonen the most successfull finn this year. And was also surprised to read in IS that Kimi was again called the sportsman of the year. Really strange.

[René]

The ice will be hot this morning :)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks Latvala will suffer this morning(+2.9s to Loeb on split one) :mark:

[White Sauron]

Latvala?)) Tried too hard once again?

[Koppomsbo]

morning all, lets hope for a nice last day of rally this year.

something says me that we are going to get drama in some way today

[John V]

Thanks Bluuford, didn't know the SS didn't count for road position.

Also, anybody know why Andy Aigner got a 1 min penalty (according to výsledky)?
According info, he was one minute earlier at TC, but this penalty was removed later, so we erased it too now. I try to check what exactly happened.

[White Sauron]

edit: just a missing split for Jari-Matti. My apologises.

[jonkka]

Hey, dear follow finns!
Just read the latest edition of the "RuutuLippu" book (by Vauhdin Vaailma), and must say that you're great and exposuring your country's sports achievements.
The only thing I didn't understand is why it had been published before the rally season concluded, and with Raikkonen on the cover, though I'd call Hirvonen the most successfull finn this year. And was also surprised to read in IS that Kimi was again called the sportsman of the year. Really strange.

Some people mistake F1 as motor sport (all that glitters isn't gold and F1 is as much sport as WWF is wrestling), hence Raikkonen's smallest karaoke attempts are worth more column space than Mikko's or JML's rally victories.

The early publishing date is likely related to long editing and printing process for books and publishers wish to have it ready for Christmas shoppers.

[jonkka]

JML just keeps his lead

[jonkka]

Raise your hand if you've been surprised by Sordo's or Andersson's speed? I have...

[Mauri A]

JML just keeps his lead

And his head, I hope!

[White Sauron]

Raise your hand if you've been surprised by Sordo's or Andersson's speed? I have...

Sordo's - no. He has the C4 weapon.
Andersson - yes. All credit to the driver.

[White Sauron]

Mmm... Rossi faster than Ogier and Wilslow)) Maybe Matthew'd better tried his chances in MotoGP?

[ProRally]

Lets hope Flodin can keep PWRC lead, Sandell is closing in !!!

[White Sauron]

Lets hope Flodin can keep PWRC lead, Sandell is closing in !!!

Agree. Subaru must take at least one victory this year.

[Wim_Impreza]

Raise your hand if you've been surprised by Sordo's or Andersson's speed? I have...

I do too. Sordo was never good in Wales and now he is, this will say that the C4 is also better on gravel than the Focus. I really hope Andersson can hold the 5th place.

Good morning to all.

[jonkka]

More observations... Barry Clark with 4 starts (this being 4th) on World Rally Car is only a minute behind Matt Wilson who has 50 starts in WRCars... That Matt is what he is ain't news but Clark is improving.

[MikeD]

OMG not the "Al Quassimi smells good" discussion again. :down:

Now we only need Colin's "Cookie story".... :down:

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, Wilson is really disappointing again. He can't even match his speed from last year when he was 6th here.

Duval said that he is absolutely not confident in very fast turns.

[Tomi]

More observations... Barry Clark with 4 starts (this being 4th) on World Rally Car is only a minute behind Matt Wilson who has 50 starts in WRCars... That Matt is what he is ain't news but Clark is improving.

Yes, but somehow i got the feeling that also this guy is also too slow from the start, I think someone like Henning Solberg is a good 0 guy for new drivers, he is not good but not completely crap either, and if a yougster can keep in his pace from the start he has potential.

[Koppomsbo]

Yes, but somehow i got the feeling that also this guy is also too slow from the start, I think someone like Henning Solberg is a good 0 guy for new drivers, he is not good but not completely crap either, and if a yougster can keep in his pace from the start he has potential.

I stand by you there, i also think Henning is a good mark to follow in the beginning of a WRC career

[Buzz Lightyear]

What surpises me, is why is everyone surpised by Wilson's pace? He never was quick, and could only ever win clubman rallys in WRC cars. The fact that he represents Britain is a mess. Mark my words, Barry Clark is not the next messiah either.

Robert Reid on WRR has finially admitted they need to pick one driver a promote them. Problem is they have 2 drivers Meeke and Wilks who are head and shoulders above anyone else, but they are not in thier MSA Elite Bunny Club.

The hard part for the Stobart/M-Sport is how to drop Matthew gently...I cant wait for the excuses. Someday soon somebody is going to stop writing cheques.

[Langdale Forest]

Good performance from Tom Cave this rally.

[ProRally]

.....
Robert Reid on WRR has finially admitted they need to pick one driver a promote them. Problem is they have 2 drivers Meeke and Wilks who are head and shoulders above anyone else, but they are not in thier MSA Elite Bunny Club.....

He has Mr Gould !!! They where shouting at Pirelli Shootout that he is next GB WORLD Rally Championship, Mr Reid had the kid so pumped up that when CZ and FIN was announced as winners, he nearly started crying...

MSA Elite Bunny Club :D

[Koppomsbo]

Someday soon somebody is going to stop writing cheques.

As long as someone is willing to pay to drive for Msport , then Mattew will drive..

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb faster than Latvala on first split.

[Tom206wrc]

Lets hope Flodin can keep PWRC lead, Sandell is closing in !!!


Looks like extreme slippery conditions don't really suit S2000 cars :mark:

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala's leead will have gone by the end of this stage.

[jonkka]

Loeb now ahead by 1 sec

[Langdale Forest]

Come on Jari-Matti!

[jonkka]

And now Latvala again ahead by 0,2 sec...

[jonkka]

JML keeps his lead :eek:

[Langdale Forest]

This could be one of the closest finishes ever.

[jonkka]

This could be one of the closest finishes ever.

Aye, easily...

[Wim_Impreza]

Nice fight for the lead, hopefully Latvala stays on the road.

Does someone know what happened yesterday with young Italian talent Simone Campedelli?

[pino]

Very exciting finish :D

[Buzz Lightyear]

As long as someone is willing to pay to drive for Msport , then Mattew will drive..

Im not so sure.

[Tom206wrc]

Henning should manage to pass PG for 5th position within the two last stages ;)

[bluuford]

I think now the win belongs to Latvala. Yesterday when he was slower than Loeb on the first passage he was faster on the second passage. And now road conditions should favor him from now on.

[pino]

Rossi faster than Wilson :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell faster than Flodin in split one... :)

But I doubt he would take the lead and win the event though :(

[ProRally]

White Sauron, Colin on WRR just gave a nice 'plug' for URT on WRR !!!

[Viking]

Henning should manage to pass PG for 5th position within the two last stages ;)

Henning is driving for best M2 driver "Championship" :) seems like he will get it this year also.

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell already 15s faster than Flodin on penultimate split :eek:

[ProRally]

Oho.... Sandell catching Flodin...

[Wim_Impreza]

Sandell faster than Flodin in split one... :)

But I doubt he would take the lead and win the event though :(

You must be happy that he is second, Flodin is more talented than him.

[Viking]

Sandell is going for it :up:

[ProRally]

Sandell already 29sec quicker then Flodin !!!
Might be fight to the end...

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell virtually leading PWRC :eek: :eek:

What happens to Flodin ?? :confused:

[dimviii]

Flodin only 1 second ahead of Sandel overall :D

[subaru 28]

good morning, aigner is go pwrc titel

[A.F.F.]

Please Latvala. Bring this one home.... pliiiiiiide.

[J.Lindstroem]

Patrik Sandell talked about our hometown Östersund om the radio. Big day for us!

[Tom206wrc]

You must be happy that he is second, Flodin is more talented than him.



Incredible the excuses you find to yourself to justify you were right thinking Sandell wasn't good driver before he signed this year deal in PWRC :mad:

It's not by pure luck that Patrik S is driving the S2000 really well each time or nearly he takes part with it on PWRC rounds :rolleyes:

[subaru 28]

Andy Aigner is the best http://www.andreasaigner.at/ http://www.redbullrally.com/

[Wim_Impreza]

Incredible the excuses you find to yourself to justify you were right thinking Sandell wasn't good driver before he signed this year deal in PWRC :mad:

It's not by pure luck that Patrik S is driving the S2000 really well each time or nearly he takes part with it on PWRC rounds :rolleyes:

Patrik S is driving a Group A car and his season was not that good this year. In JWRC he was disappointing.

[Tom206wrc]

In this case Flodin and other GrNs drivers should run S2000s too :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Andy Aigner is the best http://www.andreasaigner.at/ http://www.redbullrally.com/



Aigner ran full PWRC season(in all case more PWRC events than Sandell who drove selected rounds only mixed with Jwrc)...it's easier to win in these conditions ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

In this case Flodin and other GrNs drivers should run S2000s too :rolleyes:

No, because a S2000 car is not so ideal for the WRC roads and it costs a lot more than an Impreza or Lancer. It is PRODUCTION World Rally Championship. ;)

[M5]

S2000 is quicker than Gr N, but for most it is a money question - the S2000 cars are too expensive.

FIA need to introduce a max price for S2000, and enforce it.

[A.F.F.]

What is very disappointing is Toni Gardemeister and his VERY clumsy advertising skills. The way he shows that MadCroc drinking bottle and his Koti-idea helmet after the stages is not even funny. It's emberrasing. :down:

[Koppomsbo]

Aigner ran full PWRC season(in all case more PWRC events than Sandell who drove selected rounds only mixed with Jwrc)...it's easier to win in these conditions ;)

your wrong, sandell has driven all pwrc rallies but in the NZ he had to drive an mitsu beacause peugeot sweden didnt want to take their car over there

[RS]

What is very disappointing is Toni Gardemeister and his VERY clumsy advertising skills. The way he shows that MadCroc drinking bottle and his Koti-idea helmet after the stages is not even funny. It's emberrasing. :down:

Lol, maybe Suzuki do not pay much.

He should concentrate on the driving a bit more, he's been getting his ass kicked by PG rather too much recently.

[Tom206wrc]

your wrong, sandell has driven all pwrc rallies but in the NZ he had to drive an mitsu beacause peugeot sweden didnt want to take their car over there



Don't forget Finland, rally common between Pwrc and Jwrc...he chose to run Jwrc there ;)

[Micke_VOC]

Sandell virtually leading PWRC :eek: :eek:

What happens to Flodin ?? :confused:
'
Flodin had a engine stopp on the stage.

There gonna be a real fight on last 2 stages. Only 1 secong between them =)

This is a really good rally for the swedes.

[Daniel]

Rossi faster than Wilson :eek:

Surprised?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Surprised?

haha

[White Sauron]

White Sauron, Colin on WRR just gave a nice 'plug' for URT on WRR !!!

Yeah, thanks for that!!
Looking forward to great fights for victory between Latvala-Loeb and Patrik-Patrik.

[Viking]

'
Flodin had a engine stopp on the stage.

There gonna be a real fight on last 2 stages. Only 1 secong between them =)

This is a really good rally for the swedes.


Sure is! Sandell also seems to get a medal in PWRC :up:

[GigiGalliNo1]

does some one have a direct link to WRR stream?

As it wont work on either WRC.com's site.

[Tom206wrc]

About 10 minutes before SS18 to start :cool:

[jonkka]

It is PRODUCTION World Rally Championship. ;)

Only nominally. Besides, all cars are produced, they do not grow in the wild.

[jonkka]

FIA need to introduce a max price for S2000, and enforce it.

How do you propose it'd be enforced? It is impossible, no way has been thought yet.

[Daniel]

No, because a S2000 car is not so ideal for the WRC roads and it costs a lot more than an Impreza or Lancer. It is PRODUCTION World Rally Championship. ;)
Do you know how much a GroupN car costs to build these days?

[jonkka]

What is very disappointing is Toni Gardemeister and his VERY clumsy advertising skills.

Maybe he isn't that much motivated to drive a second class car yet again (Seat, Skoda, Suzuki... incidentally all start with an S).

[Micke_VOC]

does some one have a direct link to WRR stream?

As it wont work on either WRC.com's site.

http://broadcast.global-mix.net/?m=gmuk-n.one-fm&.wvx=

[Tom206wrc]

SS18 GOOO :bounce:

[jonkka]

Here we go... let's see if Latvala can stand between Loeb and historical win...

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb 2.1s quicker on split one :cool:

[jonkka]

uh...

[N.O.T]

Loeb is going for it.....

[jonas_mcrae]

damn Loeb is just too quick... perhaps a small mistake somewhere?

[Buzz Lightyear]

How do you propose it'd be enforced? It is impossible, no way has been thought yet. Make idential kits available for everyone for same price. The kit is the kit, no additional carbon fibre bits, only variants are seats and steering wheel for driver comfort.

Even better, all engines and gearboxes are supplied by the 'manufacturer' and given to the customer 1 day before the event. Driver and 3 mechanics have to fit the units to the cars before shakedown.

Engines and gearbox are then given back to manufacturer after each event, to be cleaned and checked, and supplied to the next event.

[N.O.T]

hopeless little finn ....

[jonkka]

-5,8s... Loeb is really pushing now...

[jonkka]

Engines and gearbox are then given back to manufacturer after each event, to be cleaned and checked, and supplied to the next event.

What prevents one manufacturer to spend more on R&D of their engines?

[MikeD]

Loeb is really going for it...8.1 faster...

[Tom206wrc]

-5.8 for Seb on split 2...

Dani Sordo :confused:

[jonkka]

-8.1 secs... ow... that's gotta hurt

[N.O.T]

9.2 faster now....

[MikeD]

Split 4 - 9.2 faster....

[Brother John]

damn Loeb is just too quick... perhaps a small mistake somewhere?

Or a historical off! ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb is dominating this stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

who is this other radio commentator? :O

[Wim_Impreza]

Do you know how much a GroupN car costs to build these days?

No, but not so much as a S2000.

[Sulland]

Tactically another perfect rally from Loeb.

Boring but true, the Loeb C4 combo is to good for the rest !

[jonkka]

JML 10sec slower on split 5 than in first run...

[White Sauron]

And Jari-Matti just proves once again that he's too much overrated.

[Brother John]

Loeb is dominating this stage.

No, it is Citroën dominating! ;)

[jonkka]

gap is closing but it's still too big

[alleskids]

wrc.com is worthless :( , is there any site wiith splits working? I want to watch the historical win for Loeb :)

[Langdale Forest]

WRC.com splits are broken.

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb a bit slower in split 5(less fast let's say) :confused:

[Koppomsbo]

Don't forget Finland, rally common between Pwrc and Jwrc...he chose to run Jwrc there ;)

maybe someone else made the choice for him

[jonkka]

At least wrc.com is getting a shebang of clicks... gotta click five times to succeed once... :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Damn too much glitches on the official WRC website :mad:

[Buzz Lightyear]

What prevents one manufacturer to spend more on R&D of their engines?

nothing.... but the development price is not the problem. its the cost to the customer. there should be no discrepancy between works and customer units.

but they are still have to supply idential engines, of the same spec, to every driver, for the same price. Engine and gearbox units are lined up in a row, and a selected at random by driver.

[N.O.T]

20 kms remaining for the season to end....

[Viking]

Ok, we beat the Swedes in Cross-country skiing (4x10km) let us see what happens between PG and Henning :)