Eddie Irvine urges Ferrari switch for Lewis Hamilton

[CNR]

this may offend some of you but i hope lewis never makes it to Ferrari

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8528&Itemid=219

[Knock-on]

this may offend some of you but i hope lewis never makes it to Ferrari

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8528&Itemid=219

:up: Totally agree with you!!!

[TMorel]

Are the two Eddie's so desperate for attention that they'll spout any old rubbish?

and are we so desperate for controversy that we'll listen?

[Mark]

Why would Lewis drive for Ferrari? The only way he'll leave McLaren is if they fire him or the car turns into a dog.

[pino]

Ferrari don't need Lewis, Massa is as good as Lewis and Alonso will probably join the Team in 2010 :p :

[Valve Bounce]

Ferrari don't need Lewis, Massa is as good as Lewis and Alonso will probably join the Team in 2010 :p :

Not if they can get their hands on Vettel!!

[wedge]

Ferrari don't need Lewis, Massa is as good as Lewis and Alonso will probably join the Team in 2010 :p :


Lewis is 23 years of age, Massa 27, which logically means Lewis has yet to peak.

I'd hate to think how good Lewis will be in 5 years time!

[ArrowsFA1]

Why would Lewis drive for Ferrari? The only way he'll leave McLaren is if they fire him or the car turns into a dog.
Exactly. There's only been one team for Hamilton from the very beginning and that was McLaren. For others the dream may be to drive for Ferrari. It's hard to see him chosing to leave his 'home' but who knows what may happen in the future.

[pino]

Why would Lewis drive for Ferrari?

Why ? because Ferrari is a dream for any driver, Lewis included :p :

[Dave B]

If you cut Lewis in half it would say "McLaren" through him like a stick of rock. Unless there's a very major upset some time in the future he'll probably be a McLaren driver until he retires.

Ferrari has a certain emotional pull, but it's always important that your head rules your heart and not the other way round.

[Knock-on]

If you cut Lewis in half it would say "McLaren" through him like a stick of rock. Unless there's a very major upset some time in the future he'll probably be a McLaren driver until he retires.

Ferrari has a certain emotional pull, but it's always important that your head rules your heart and not the other way round.

I should imagine the problems he had in his first year, he wouldn't have any emotional pull towards Ferrari.

In fact, probably the opposite.

[Mark]

I'll have to say I don't see Lewis ever driving for any other team than McLaren, he's the sort that if he gets too old to be competitive or gets tired of Formula 1 or if Mercedes pull out of F1 etc, he'll retire rather than drive for another team.

[Triumph]

I seem to recall Lewis saying that he would like to spend his entire career at McLaren.

It would be interesting to see how he would get on over at Ferrari though. Maybe situations will change in the future and he will get an offer he can't refuse.

[V12]

this may offend some of you but i hope lewis never makes it to Ferrari

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8528&Itemid=219

I agree with you. I'm sure most Lewis Hamilton fans would agree with us as well!

[Big Ben]

Lewis is 23 years of age, Massa 27, which logically means Lewis has yet to peak.

I'd hate to think how good Lewis will be in 5 years time!

don´t think then

[Tazio]

"Having been there, I've seen what it's like and it's a different situation to being with any other team," he said.

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8528&Itemid=219

Please don't remind me! :dozey: You inherited the #1 seat in the best car, and drove like a fool!

[Ian McC]

Things change, Ron goes, McLaren aren't competitive, he will surely put his career first.

[jens]

Time goes on, situations change and people's views may change too. Hamilton at the moment may think that he wants to stay at McLaren "forever", but nobody knows, what might he be thinking in 5 years' time?! F1 is also changing so quickly, people's choices may change quickly according to changes in F1. If indeed manufacturers pull out of F1, then it would be a wholly new situation and who knows, where would he need to drive then. So at least at the moment it certainly can't be surely said LH will be staying at McLaren until the end of his career.

[drivacee]

What did Eddie Irvine achieve at ferrari?.He was a back defender for Micheal,he didnt even set up his own car, Michael had to do that.Lewis is Rons little boy and will stay untill the cars are crap.Alonso will be at ferrari asap,and probably Vettel too.BUT who will be number 1 driver,cos no one wants to be what Eddie was 2nd driver and a playboy

[Tazio]

What did Eddie Irvine achieve at ferrari?.He was a back defender for Micheal,he didnt even set up his own car, Michael had to do that.Lewis is Rons little boy and will stay untill the cars are crap.Alonso will be at ferrari asap,and probably Vettel too.BUT who will be number 1 driver,cos no one wants to be what Eddie was 2nd driver and a playboyWho was #1 at Ferrari this year? :dozey:
"The Times Thay Are A-Changin'" :s mokin:

[Valve Bounce]

Lewis is 23 years of age, Massa 27, which logically means Lewis has yet to peak.

I'd hate to think how good Lewis will be in 5 years time!

So would ioan :p :

[Valve Bounce]

I'll have to say I don't see Lewis ever driving for any other team than McLaren, he's the sort that if he gets too old to be competitive or gets tired of Formula 1 or if Mercedes pull out of F1 etc, he'll retire rather than drive for another team.

What if Max bans McLaren for bribing Glock? :eek:

[truefan72]

Why ? because Ferrari is a dream for any driver, Lewis included :p :

not for everyone. and not always

there was a good stretch of years pre-schumi where that seat was not as desired as the Williams, and McLaren seat, or even Bennetton for that matter.
Right now Lewis is in the best car on the grid and won the WDC. So I'd say he is living out his dream quite well. To those who love Ferrari, good for them, but apart from the opportunity to win the WDC I'm pretty sure a good number of drivers don't consider it a dream to drive a Ferrari but merely an opportunity to win races. and once/if they start to fall back into average again (as all teams will go through the cycles..even McLaren) years from now, drivers won't be lining up to drive for them because they are Ferrari, if it means no chance at winning races or being competitive.

[ShiftingGears]

Nah, ain't happening.

[Tazio]

Hamilton has already invested 10 years in racing for, or in preperation to race for McLaren!
I think he is much closer to peaking than your average 23 year old in this trade!
Where can I make a bet that he is out of F1 before he reaches 30? :s mokin:

[woody2goody]

I'm not actually sure if Lewis is better than Massa, Kimi or Alonso to be honest, but I don't think we will ever see them competing in the same car ever, apart form Kimi and Massa.

I'll discount last year when Lewis was slower than Fernando with it being his first year, but I don't think he'd beat Alonso in the same car.

Having said all this, I think he CAN be better than all three of them in a few years when he does peak.

[rickos]

LH has already taken a lesser car and won against the best car driven by dumb and dumber. What's the fun in winning in the best car?

[jso1985]

Lewis is 23 years of age, Massa 27, which logically means Lewis has yet to peak.

I'd hate to think how good Lewis will be in 5 years time!

with that logic Vettel is going to win the WDC with a 1976 Boro driving in reverse by the time he's 27...

poor logic

[Valve Bounce]

LH has already taken a lesser car and won against the best car driven by dumb and dumber. What's the fun in winning in the best car?

You will have to ask SchM! he seemed pretty happy about it. ;)

[Tazio]

LH has already taken a lesser car and won against the best car driven by dumb and dumber. What's the fun in winning in the best car?Part of the attraction of winning in the best car, is being instramental in developing it.
Like Fred at Renault, and Mike at Ferrari! FYI
Einstein! :bandit: :dozey: :s mokin: :) :beer:

[555-04Q2]

EI is an idiot :down:

[Hawkmoon]

I'll have to say I don't see Lewis ever driving for any other team than McLaren, he's the sort that if he gets too old to be competitive or gets tired of Formula 1 or if Mercedes pull out of F1 etc, he'll retire rather than drive for another team.

It's funny, but my impression of Hamilton is that he'll be out the door at Woking as soon as the car isn't at the front. He's an ultra-competitive young man who isn't going to hang around if Uncle Ron can't produce the goods.

You may not like the thought, I know because the thought of Schumi driving a McLaren was/is a nightmare, but if McLaren produce a couple a stinkers over the next couple of years then Hamilton's signature will be on a contract for whichever team has the best money offer/car combination to be had.

Hamilton is cut from the same cloth as Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Alonso, Lauda and many others. Senna didn't stick with McLaren when Williams had a better car. Schumacher left Benetton for stupid amounts of money and a challenge and Alonso couldn't get away from Renault fast enough when McLaren's cheque book came calling and Renault dithered about the future.

McLaren have no hold over Hamilton other than a contract. Jenson Button showed us how much those things can be worth.

[Valve Bounce]

McLaren have no hold over Hamilton other than a contract. Jenson Button showed us how much those things can be worth.

Comparing Lewis Hamilton with bunsen??? That's a bit harsh!!

[Hawkmoon]

Comparing Lewis Hamilton with bunsen??? That's a bit harsh!!

Yeah, but on which one? ;)

[Valve Bounce]

Yeah, but on which one? ;)

Common, don't be mean!! bunsen, at best, would qualify for turncoat of the year. Lewis Hamilton is a champion driver. I know who I'd rather have in a team, and it ain't bunsen.

[ShiftingGears]

Comparing Lewis Hamilton with bunsen??? That's a bit harsh!!

A bit like comparing Jenson with Ant :p :

[Valve Bounce]

A bit like comparing Jenson with Ant :p :

ant was never a turncoat - he was totally loyal to Honda and helped set-up the car to make bunsen look good.

So what are you on about?

[ShiftingGears]

ant was never a turncoat - he was totally loyal to Honda and helped set-up the car to make bunsen look good.

So what are you on about?

Jenson flogged Sato and Ant only matched Sato. Jenson is the much better driver, just like Hamilton has the clear measure of Jenson.

[Valve Bounce]

Jenson flogged Sato and Ant only matched Sato. Jenson is the much better driver, just like Hamilton has the clear measure of Jenson.

So!! what's your point? We are talking about turncoat failures compared with Hamilton the Champion. Or did you forget?

cos no one wants to be what Eddie was 2nd driver and a playboy

Don't know....sounds like a pretty good gig to me.

EI is an idiot :down:

Maybe, but a very rich & shrewd one.

[Azumanga Davo]

http://www.channel4.com/video/images/mb/Channel4/video/2008/archive/black_books/Black_Books_001_003_001_001.jpg
"I know everything, I'm always right."

I think he's starting to sound like Bernard from Black Books these days. One crucial difference though, Bernard's funny, EI is a c*ck.

One crucial difference though, Bernard's funny, EI is a c*ck.

But a hugely successful one, with more GP wins than a certain Mr Brundle.... who people seem to think is an expert.

Eddie is a damn sight smarter than any of the forum 'members' slagging him off.

[BeansBeansBeans]

If McLaren become uncompetitive, I could see Hamilton going elsewhere, and where better than Ferrari?

[BDunnell]

But a hugely successful one, with more GP wins than a certain Mr Brundle.... who people seem to think is an expert.

Eddie is a damn sight smarter than any of the forum 'members' slagging him off.

Firstly, it is perfectly possible to be an expert on something that you either haven't participated in personally, or in which you maybe haven't succeeded to as great an extent as others. There is nothing surprising about this. Would you say that the only people properly qualified to be political journalists are former Prime Ministers, then?

Secondly, I think you have an overly inflated opinion of and respect for financial wealth. There are more important qualities in a person, and I think that's true in this case. That said, I agree with the view that he's wrong to commit himself to one team for ever. Anyone who'd done that in relation to Ferrari in the past would have gone through long barren spells, and the same could happen with McLaren.

[Valve Bounce]

If McLaren become uncompetitive, I could see Hamilton going elsewhere, and where better than Ferrari?

Honda????

[tinchote]

It looks to me that several of those members who seem to think that LH will stay at McLaren for all of his career, are the same who used to say that Kimi would never leave McLaren... ;) :D

[Valve Bounce]

It looks to me that several of those members who seem to think that LH will stay at McLaren for all of his career, are the same who used to say that Kimi would never leave McLaren... ;) :D

Let's get one thing clear at this point in time: I tipped Kimi to go to Ferrari about 18 months before he joined Ferrari. If my memory serves me correctly, I was the first one to tip that in this forum, and most guys here thought I'd gone loco already. :crazy:

The way I see it, any driver who gets an offer from Ferrari and declines it, would have to have a very good reason.

At the moment, I can't think of anyone. Bunsen would go there if they offered him $2 a race.

But.............having said all that, if McLaren continues to produce a competitive car, Lewis Hamilton might just decide to stay where he is.

[CNR]

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5irzJV6zJjB5mGXey7cyKBidjO-_A


David Coulthard has dismissed Lewis Hamilton's pledge to see out his Formula One career at McLaren and urged the newly-crowned world champion to concentrate on his immediate future.
Coulthard, who brought his long career to a close at last week's Brazilian Grand Prix, insists Hamilton's loyalty could turn out to be misplaced if his team heads towards a dip in form.

Lewis Hamilton's pledge to see out his Formula One career at McLaren

1 explosion and McLaren workshop and cars blown up
2 new f1 spygate
3 McLaren lose too much money and pull out of f1
4 they do what they tried to do with mika hakken with the low pay and a bonus for a win
5 the car becomes a dog and does not win a race for two to three years.
6 the car becomes a back marker
7 pussiecat doll finds out what f1 is and buys him force inda

[Valve Bounce]

............or they design a shyte car.

Would you say that the only people properly qualified to be political journalists are former Prime Ministers, then?


Certainly not, but to dismiss the opinion of somebody, as some of the forum members are, who has "been there, done that" is, quite frankly, stupid.

For them to call Irvine an 'Idiot' or a 'Cxxx' is therefore both hypocritical and sadly inadequate.



Secondly, I think you have an overly inflated opinion of and respect for financial wealth.

Where was I specifying wealth as the only factor? I stated that Eddie was both rich & shrewd. Seeing how he wasn't born with into a family of huge wealth, I think it's safe to assume that he has become extremely wealthy through hard work and intelligence.

To sneer at somebody's wealth, as I fully believe you are doing, without considering that in order to have gained that wealth it must have taken both dedication and intelligence, merely highlights the inadequacies of your argument.

[THE_LIBERATOR]

I think it's safe to assume that he has become extremely wealthy through hard work and intelligence.

To sneer at somebody's wealth, as I fully believe you are doing, without considering that in order to have gained that wealth it must have taken both dedication and intelligence, merely highlights the inadequacies of your argument.In no way is intelligence related to wealth. Swervin' Irvine is indeed case in point.

[Valve Bounce]

I stated that Eddie was both rich & shrewd.

And after Senna whacked him on the back of his head, Eddie became even richer. :p :

[555-04Q2]

Irvine has never been the sharpest knife in the kitchen. I've got decent money, does that make me intellgent :?: Some forumers here will say, "hell no!"

[Knock-on]

I've got decent money, does that make me intellgent :?:


Hell no!! :p

(Lend us a few quid :D )

[BDunnell]

Certainly not, but to dismiss the opinion of somebody, as some of the forum members are, who has "been there, done that" is, quite frankly, stupid.

For them to call Irvine an 'Idiot' or a 'Cxxx' is therefore both hypocritical and sadly inadequate.

I might add that high-handedly dismissing others as inadequate based on flimsy evidence isn't exactly the most pleasant character trait.

[Valve Bounce]

Look, Eddie was a better driver than he was allowed to be. He did the job, kept complaints to the minimum, and got paid a handsome sum for his effort. Nothing wrong with that.

Nowadays, the media will get anyone to say something, anything, and then enhance or invent the quote necessary to produce a headline for their article.

If I had Eddie's chances for what he accomplished and earned, I'd be more than happy - I'd be ecstatic. And you can call me stupid if you wanted and I'd cry all the way to the bank.

[Hawkmoon]

What's idiotic about saying Hamilton should win a few titles with McLaren and then move to Ferrari? It's just an opinion from someone who experienced being a Ferrari Grand Prix driver.

Irvine's no more an idiot for saying that than someone else is for saying that Hamilton should never leave McLaren.

I might add that high-handedly dismissing others as inadequate based on flimsy evidence isn't exactly the most pleasant character trait.

I knew Eddie back in his F3 days with WSR & F3000 with Pacific.

The bloke was very bright. Smarter than the average bear.

I'll take that flimsy evidence over your compatriots non-existent evidence, thanks, and will rightfully dismiss in a high-handed manner anybody who has no personal experience of working with Eddie.

It may not be a lovely, cuddly character trait, but its better than being pathetic.

[Valve Bounce]

Lets drink some Kool Aid and unlax!!

[PolePosition_1]

Irvine has never been the sharpest knife in the kitchen. I've got decent money, does that make me intellgent :?: Some forumers here will say, "hell no!"

To be fair, I read somewhere that Irvine has made more money from his businesses since leaving F1, than he did throughout his whole career. He is a very successful business man.

Whilst I disagree with him, I respect he is entitled to an opinion, and its nice to hear different opinions from people within the F1 circus.

[ArrowsFA1]

To be fair, I read somewhere that Irvine has made more money from his businesses since leaving F1, than he did throughout his whole career. He is a very successful business man.
Irvine was apparently earning a very good living in Japan before he made his debut with Jordan, to the extent that financially the move to F1 didn't make much sense.

Worked out ok in the end for him though :p :

[BeansBeansBeans]

I've always liked Eddie Irvine.

He's charming and seems untainted by the corporate banality which afflicts most drivers in the modern age.

[Knock-on]

I knew Eddie back in his F3 days with WSR & F3000 with Pacific.

The bloke was very bright. Smarter than the average bear.

I'll take that flimsy evidence over your compatriots non-existent evidence, thanks, and will rightfully dismiss in a high-handed manner anybody who has no personal experience of working with Eddie.

It may not be a lovely, cuddly character trait, but its better than being pathetic.

Sorry :confused:

Are you saying that because you met Eddie a few times, you have the right to dismiss other members opinions as pathetic?

EI has always struck me as an intelligent and humorous man but if someone on here disagrees, that's their prerogative.

Perhaps having some respect for other members might not be too bad a thing?

[BDunnell]

I knew Eddie back in his F3 days with WSR & F3000 with Pacific.

The bloke was very bright. Smarter than the average bear.

I'll take that flimsy evidence over your compatriots non-existent evidence, thanks, and will rightfully dismiss in a high-handed manner anybody who has no personal experience of working with Eddie.

It may not be a lovely, cuddly character trait, but its better than being pathetic.

And, with the greatest of respect, I will rightfully and delightfully dismiss your ever-so-slightly pompous assessment of my view expressed previously as being pathetic and sneery. The next time you express an opinion on a field you haven't ever worked in or on someone you haven't personally met and dealt with, I look forward to being similarly dismissive towards your opinions as you are towards those of various members here.

By the way, you seem to have missed the bit where I actually agreed (in part) with Irvine's view on this.

[BDunnell]

EDIT - unnecessary post.

Sorry :confused:

Are you saying that because you met Eddie a few times, you have the right to dismiss other members opinions as pathetic?

EI has always struck me as an intelligent and humorous man but if someone on here disagrees, that's their prerogative.

Perhaps having some respect for other members might not be too bad a thing?

I give respect to those who earn it.

Some people on here have a lot of work to do.

And, with the greatest of respect, I will rightfully and delightfully dismiss your ever-so-slightly pompous assessment of my view expressed previously as being pathetic and sneery. The next time you express an opinion on a field you haven't ever worked in or on someone you haven't personally met and dealt with, I look forward to being similarly dismissive towards your opinions as you are towards those of various members here.


That'll be the day we discuss liberal gimps, presumably?

[markabilly]

Markabilly urges Ferrari to switch for scott speed before RD signs him...............

[Valve Bounce]

Markabilly urges Ferrari to switch for scott speed before RD signs him...............

I think you'd lay off that kool aid stuff you brew.

[Valve Bounce]

I've always liked Eddie Irvine.

He's charming and seems untainted by the corporate banality which afflicts most drivers in the modern age.

Somewhat in the Richard Burton mold, I presume!!

[ArrowsFA1]

I was reminded of Eddie's own description of his first few races in F1 recently:

"I was punched by Ayrton Senna after my first race, crashed in my second, wrote off four cars in my third, and was banned from my fourth - People are going to think I'm some sort of nutter."

:p

But the 'nutter' did also say -

"“The history meant that someone like Todt would go work there. The history was what convinced Michael Schumacher to go there.”

And, perhaps just a relevant seeing how some people think they know him...

"The people who don't know me only see me through sound bites, and everything's changed around. Things I've said are changed to suit the magazine or newspaper concerned. The people who know me have a very different view, I would say."

[aryan]

May I propose a simple Google trick? From now on, when referring to the Demented Midget (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Ecclestone), please link it to his Wikipedia article so that searching for Demented Midget would bring up his page! Thanks :)