Knock-on
9th September 2008, 11:57
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what FIA regulations state.
This thread is not for getting into a pi$$ing contest about McLaren Vs Ferrari otherwise it will be merged with the other bunfights.
Hopefully, it is to clearly state what the actual regulations contain and how they are applied.
The current issue seems to surround penalties and as the FIA regulations are sometimes less than transparent, I will post the relevant parts.
Current FIA International Sporting code.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 0clean.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/917D67F70F1C5EE7C12573B7003DCEC5/$FILE/CSI%20modif%20ap%20AGO%20oct%2007%20ANG%20-%20Applic.%2001.01.08%20-%20clean.pdf)
152. Penalties
Any breach of this Code or the Appendices thereto, of the national rules or their appendices, or of any Supplementary Regulations committed by any organiser, official, competitor, driver, or other person or organisation may be penalised or fined.
Penalties or fines may be inflicted by the stewards of the meeting and ASNs as indicated in the following articles.
The decision of the stewards becomes immediately binding notwithstanding an appeal if it concerns questions of safety or of irregularity of entry by a competitor entering an event or when, in the course of the same event, a further breach is committed justifying the exclusion of the same competitor.
Nevertheless, as a safeguard, if a competitor appeals, excluding the cases cited above, the penalty will be suspended, in particular to determine the application of any handicap rule having an influence on participation in a later event, without however the competitor and the driver being able to take part in the prize-giving or the podium ceremony, nor can they appear in the official
classification of the event, in any place other than that resulting from the application of the penalty, unless they have won their appeal before the appeal courts and their rights have then been re-established.
Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.
In matters relating to the fight against doping, the sanctions mentioned in the anti-doping regulations set out in Appendix A to this Code shall be applied.
As well as this and independently of the prescriptions of the following Articles, the FIA may, upon the proposal and report of the FIA observer or the joint report of the two international stewards of the meeting designated by the FIA, directly inflict a penalty which will take the place of any penalty which the stewards of the meeting may have pronounced on any one of the above-mentioned parties.
In this case, the ASN concerned cannot refuse to appeal to the International Court of Appeal on behalf of the party concerned.
Also, the stewards in the FIA Championships may decide the following penalties applicable to the competitors or to the drivers : suspension for one or more events, fine, withdrawal of Championship points.
Points should not be deducted separately from drivers and competitors, save in exceptional circumstances.
These penalties may, where applicable, be cumulated or applied with suspension of sentence.
171. Right to protest
The right to protest lies only with a competitor; nevertheless, an official acting in his official capacity may even in the absence of a protest take such official action as the case warrants.
A competitor wishing to protest against more than one fellow competitor must lodge as many protests as there are competitors involved in the action concerned.
172. Lodging of protest
Every protest shall be in writing and accompanied by a fee, the amount of which shall be set annually by the ASN (or by the FIA for its Championships, Cups, Trophies or Challenges). This fee may only be returned if the protest is upheld.
176. Inadmissible protest
Protests against decisions made by the finish line judges and judges of fact in the exercise of their duties, as laid down in Article 149, will not be admitted.
A single protest against more than one competitor will not be accepted.
F1 Regulations
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 7-2008.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/EAC2585AB885FDDCC1257483004B3147/$FILE/1-2009%20F1%20SPORTING%20REGULATIONS%2011-07-2008.pdf)
As a protest relates to an incident, we need to be clear of what an incident is.
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.
16.2 a) It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.
b) If an incident is under investigation by the stewards a message informing all teams which driver or drivers are involved will be displayed on the timing monitors.
Provided that such a message is displayed no later than five minutes after the race has finished the driver or drivers concerned may not leave the circuit without the consent of the stewards.
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
16.4 Should the stewards decide to impose either of the penalties under Article 16.3a) or b), the following procedure will be followed :
a) The stewards will give written notification of the penalty which has been imposed to the competitor concerned and will ensure that this information is also displayed on the timing monitors.
b) From the time the stewards’ decision is notified on the timing monitors the relevant driver may cover no more than three complete laps before entering the pit lane and, in the case of a penalty under Article 16.3b), proceeding to his garage where he shall remain for the period of the time penalty.
However, unless the driver was already in the pit entry for the purpose of serving his penalty, he may not carry out the penalty after the Safety Car has been deployed. Any laps carried out behind the Safety Car will be added to the three lap maximum.
Whilst a car is stationary in the pit lane as a result of incurring a time penalty it may not be worked on. However, if the engine stops it may be started after the time penalty period has elapsed.
c) When the time penalty period has elapsed the driver may rejoin the race.
d) Any breach or failure to comply with Articles 16.4b) or c) may result in the car being excluded.
17) PROTESTS
17.1 Protests shall be made in accordance with the Code and accompanied by a fee of €2000.
Does anyone have a link to the part of the code which says what a driver shall do after gaining an advantage by going off track as I cannot find it.
This thread is not for getting into a pi$$ing contest about McLaren Vs Ferrari otherwise it will be merged with the other bunfights.
Hopefully, it is to clearly state what the actual regulations contain and how they are applied.
The current issue seems to surround penalties and as the FIA regulations are sometimes less than transparent, I will post the relevant parts.
Current FIA International Sporting code.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 0clean.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/917D67F70F1C5EE7C12573B7003DCEC5/$FILE/CSI%20modif%20ap%20AGO%20oct%2007%20ANG%20-%20Applic.%2001.01.08%20-%20clean.pdf)
152. Penalties
Any breach of this Code or the Appendices thereto, of the national rules or their appendices, or of any Supplementary Regulations committed by any organiser, official, competitor, driver, or other person or organisation may be penalised or fined.
Penalties or fines may be inflicted by the stewards of the meeting and ASNs as indicated in the following articles.
The decision of the stewards becomes immediately binding notwithstanding an appeal if it concerns questions of safety or of irregularity of entry by a competitor entering an event or when, in the course of the same event, a further breach is committed justifying the exclusion of the same competitor.
Nevertheless, as a safeguard, if a competitor appeals, excluding the cases cited above, the penalty will be suspended, in particular to determine the application of any handicap rule having an influence on participation in a later event, without however the competitor and the driver being able to take part in the prize-giving or the podium ceremony, nor can they appear in the official
classification of the event, in any place other than that resulting from the application of the penalty, unless they have won their appeal before the appeal courts and their rights have then been re-established.
Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.
In matters relating to the fight against doping, the sanctions mentioned in the anti-doping regulations set out in Appendix A to this Code shall be applied.
As well as this and independently of the prescriptions of the following Articles, the FIA may, upon the proposal and report of the FIA observer or the joint report of the two international stewards of the meeting designated by the FIA, directly inflict a penalty which will take the place of any penalty which the stewards of the meeting may have pronounced on any one of the above-mentioned parties.
In this case, the ASN concerned cannot refuse to appeal to the International Court of Appeal on behalf of the party concerned.
Also, the stewards in the FIA Championships may decide the following penalties applicable to the competitors or to the drivers : suspension for one or more events, fine, withdrawal of Championship points.
Points should not be deducted separately from drivers and competitors, save in exceptional circumstances.
These penalties may, where applicable, be cumulated or applied with suspension of sentence.
171. Right to protest
The right to protest lies only with a competitor; nevertheless, an official acting in his official capacity may even in the absence of a protest take such official action as the case warrants.
A competitor wishing to protest against more than one fellow competitor must lodge as many protests as there are competitors involved in the action concerned.
172. Lodging of protest
Every protest shall be in writing and accompanied by a fee, the amount of which shall be set annually by the ASN (or by the FIA for its Championships, Cups, Trophies or Challenges). This fee may only be returned if the protest is upheld.
176. Inadmissible protest
Protests against decisions made by the finish line judges and judges of fact in the exercise of their duties, as laid down in Article 149, will not be admitted.
A single protest against more than one competitor will not be accepted.
F1 Regulations
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 7-2008.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/EAC2585AB885FDDCC1257483004B3147/$FILE/1-2009%20F1%20SPORTING%20REGULATIONS%2011-07-2008.pdf)
As a protest relates to an incident, we need to be clear of what an incident is.
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.
16.2 a) It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.
b) If an incident is under investigation by the stewards a message informing all teams which driver or drivers are involved will be displayed on the timing monitors.
Provided that such a message is displayed no later than five minutes after the race has finished the driver or drivers concerned may not leave the circuit without the consent of the stewards.
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
16.4 Should the stewards decide to impose either of the penalties under Article 16.3a) or b), the following procedure will be followed :
a) The stewards will give written notification of the penalty which has been imposed to the competitor concerned and will ensure that this information is also displayed on the timing monitors.
b) From the time the stewards’ decision is notified on the timing monitors the relevant driver may cover no more than three complete laps before entering the pit lane and, in the case of a penalty under Article 16.3b), proceeding to his garage where he shall remain for the period of the time penalty.
However, unless the driver was already in the pit entry for the purpose of serving his penalty, he may not carry out the penalty after the Safety Car has been deployed. Any laps carried out behind the Safety Car will be added to the three lap maximum.
Whilst a car is stationary in the pit lane as a result of incurring a time penalty it may not be worked on. However, if the engine stops it may be started after the time penalty period has elapsed.
c) When the time penalty period has elapsed the driver may rejoin the race.
d) Any breach or failure to comply with Articles 16.4b) or c) may result in the car being excluded.
17) PROTESTS
17.1 Protests shall be made in accordance with the Code and accompanied by a fee of €2000.
Does anyone have a link to the part of the code which says what a driver shall do after gaining an advantage by going off track as I cannot find it.