Portugal 2009

[Psycho!]

Only Petter and Marcus can be a good replacement...All the others will fail....

[DonJippo]

Satans språket!!! What's this message: ''Virheellinen kaistanleveys''

"Not enough bandwidth" to show it on your PC.

[DonJippo]

My source from Ford team said: "It`s unofficial but JML is fired..."

Well either your source is mistaken or Malcolm Wilson was not saying the truth when he commented to Finnish MTV3 that JML will continue in Ford team http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2009/04/851687 (story is in finnish)

[Psycho!]

Check also autosport.com.Malcolm says JM will be for sure in Argentina...!

[Mirek]

Sandell's car... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sl_xgWOeR6M/SdYnXtCva4I/AAAAAAAABGI/WjYr1WSKUtI/s1600/image-upload-78-749961.jpg

[A.F.F.]

Well either your source is mistaken or Malcolm Wilson was not saying the truth when he commented to Finnish MTV3 that JML will continue in Ford team http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2009/04/851687 (story is in finnish)

In other words; " we don't have the money for anyone better ".

[RS]

Only Petter and Marcus can be a good replacement...All the others will fail....

It depends what Ford want and what you mean by fail. JML only has 6 points so far this year. There are many drivers around who could have scored more than that in that car.

[Daniel]

I think JML should be gone. He makes Galli look like a reliable driver. It would be sad to see him gone but he's had too many chances now.

[jbmarcus21]

Only Petter and Marcus can be a good replacement...All the others will fail....

yess but for Marcus is not really good challenge.. Drive Subaru and to be fast, it is a great thing ;) ..

[tolis]

Day 1 at MTV3:
http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=11561

[Sardalense]

Pictures from Silves 2 :

http://picasaweb.google.pt/joaocpc/RaliDePortugal2009Silves2#

If I not fall asleep over my laptop, I will try to upload some photos from Silves 1 :)

[Sardalense]

Pictures from Silves 1 :

http://picasaweb.google.pt/joaocpc/RaliDePortugal2009Silves1#

[jbmarcus21]

Tomorrow live normally

10h28-11h20 Directo Almodôvar 1 RTP1
15h23-16h15 Directo Almodôvar 2 RTP 2
link : http://tv.gforum.tv/canal/474/RTP_N/

[Hipo1990]

Tomorrow live normally

10h28-11h20 Directo Almodôvar 1 RTP1
15h23-16h15 Directo Almodôvar 2 RTP 2
link : http://tv.gforum.tv/canal/474/RTP_N/

THX for info! :)

[ste898]

The problem is that Ford is not interested in a driver it who can bring the most money........so they either want to win championship's or make money!!!!

[janneppi]

In other words; " we don't have the money for anyone better ".

we don't have the money for anyone Petter ? ;)

[Psycho!]

Petter won't be willing to drive for M1 Ford for just 2 or 3 rallies,during which Latvi will be at Stobart...!!Only if he is given a place for the rest of 2009 he will join Ford...!

[muscrae]

Totally agree.

[pettersolberg29]

Shouldn't the stage have started by now?

Or am I an hour ahead of myself.

[harriswrc]

Stage started! Good Morning guys!

[A.F.F.]

Good morning everybody :wave:

[tolis]

Good morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Forde-fotos]

Gronholm stopped but going again !

EDIT Stopped again

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier has stopped.

[muscrae]

God morning everyone..

ohhh Marcus stopped again !!!!!! No move.... Oil Pressure problem with a damage to the car.... :(

[Langdale Forest]

Gronholm stopped again

[Forde-fotos]

Stopped completly, Gronholm out

[A.F.F.]

Oh man....... :(

[muscrae]

Seb is faster than Mikko by 4.6s

[jonkka]

Ogier missing split as well

[muscrae]

Petter stuck with Marcus's dust... he is over 25s slower than Seb consequently...

[A.F.F.]

The element of interested just dropped by a huge fall.

[jbmarcus21]

Marcus :(

[GigiGalliNo1]

Morning all, well nearly evening for me :p

Interesting rally.... happy that one man isn't in the lead! You know who :p

[jonkka]

Petter stuck with Marcus's dust... he is over 25s slower than Seb consequently...

That's plausible only for splits 1 and 2, from then on Marcus stopped but Petter still lost time so the real reason for slow time is something completely different.

[noel157]

Morning all, well nearly evening for me :p

Interesting rally.... happy that one man isn't in the lead! You know who :p

Prepare to be happy for a very short time. Seb will hang about in 2nd place for today and drive slowly past Mikko in the morning. Or totally hammer the nails into the Ford coffin and pass Mikko today.

[dimviii]

good morning at everyone!
pitty for Bosse :(

[GigiGalliNo1]

Prepare to be happy for a very short time. Seb will hang about in 2nd place for today and drive slowly past Mikko in the morning. Or totally hammer the nails into the Ford coffin and pass Mikko today.

Ahhh... the 'unexpected'

:p

[noel157]

Ahhh... the 'unexpected'

:p

LOL.

[jbmarcus21]

click here on live eye on the sky !!!

http://tv.gforum.tv/canal/474/RTP_N/

[jonkka]

Wow, thanks!

[Ghostwalker]

great find jbmarcus, thanks!

[animrallye]

THX Marcus :bounce:

[jonkka]

Mikko is losing uncomfortably much time...

[Ghostwalker]

Seb is really fast almost 9 seconds faster at split 4

[A.F.F.]

Loeb will catch Mikko and there's nothing he (Mikko) can do about it. The only "exciting" thing today is wheter Loeb will actually pass him and run away or is he going drop behind him and start second for the last day.

[jonkka]

Perhaps

[dimviii]

thanks jbmarcus :)

[pettersolberg29]

Petter stopped?

[jonkka]

Petter is missing a split...

[muscrae]

Loeb is in lead now by 1.6s, 15s quicker than Mikko on this stage...

[jonkka]

I find it extremely interesting that Sordo was also faster than Mikko...

[bluuford]

Petter passed 11 minutes point in tv.. so just missing splits.

[Forde-fotos]

Well done to Loeb, the only interestring thing now will be the excuses Mikko can come up with other than the simple fact that he just can't march Sebastian.

[jonkka]

Petter finished the stage

[pettersolberg29]

Petter 3 slower than Mikko

[bluuford]

Novikov rfont right damage and broken tire

[jonkka]

Novikov rfont right damage and broken tire

Pity, he was about to overtake Wilson...

[Psycho!]

I'm so impressed!Yesterday everybody was saying that Loeb was losing time due to the loose gravel he had to clean.Now nobody mention that for Mikko.Just Loeb is far away....Please...The stage was live and you saw what Mikko was cleaning....

[jonkka]

Araujo on TV!

[bluuford]

I'm so impressed!Yesterday everybody was saying that Loeb was losing time due to the loose gravel he had to clean.Now nobody mention that for Mikko.Just Loeb is far away....Please...The stage was live and you saw what Mikko was cleaning....

Yes that stage was very loose indeed!

[tolis]

did the live stage coverage finish?

[animrallye]

I'm so impressed!Yesterday everybody was saying that Loeb was losing time due to the loose gravel he had to clean.Now nobody mention that for Mikko.Just Loeb is far away....Please...The stage was live and you saw what Mikko was cleaning....
That's Loebmania :dozey:

Any news about Bosse and Ogier retirement ?

[jbmarcus21]

great find jbmarcus, thanks!

your welcome .. And live come back this afternoon for Almodovar Special Stage 2

[Psycho!]

That's Loebmania :dozey:

Any news about Bosse and Ogier retirement ?
Marcus had an off that caused engine problems and Ogier had broken suspension....

[r199]

Kevin Abbring is also going fast whit a less car than the other juniors

[N.O.T]

pity for marcus he could give a good fight to keep loeb behind....Hirvonen as usual cannot drive competitively when he doesn;t have fast lines to follow...

Loeb just does his job.

[Finni]

Petter is painfully slow.. Continually complaining about lack of engine power. In my he should brake the deal with Citroen if there is indeed down-grading happened. Xsara in itself should be still powerful car.

[Xsara Fan]

Novikov rfont right damage and broken tire

It was a "mistake in pacenotes"... Novikov had an off and after that has punctures in BOTH front tyres! On road section he and Dale change wheels and went to the start of SS10.

[Xsara Fan]

SS10 delayed?

[jonkka]

Seems so...

[animrallye]

Marcus had an off that caused engine problems and Ogier had broken suspension....
Efcharisto ;)

[SubaruNorway]

Did anyone like The Prodigy-Omen on the radio just, or is it just me who's got a bad taste? haha

[N.O.T]

the stage is on....

[Ghostwalker]

Did anyone like The Prodigy-Omen on the radio just, or is it just me who's got a bad taste? haha

nah in general i think WRR have a very poor music taste.

[Ghostwalker]

trouble for Sordo

[SubaruNorway]

nah in general i think WRR have a very poor music taste.

Yeah, the stuff they are playing now reminds me of this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCA04lFuu6M

[jonkka]

Except that this cantina band play good music

[jonkka]

Petter is not in splits?

[jonkka]

Propably he's running w/o GPS

[jonkka]

Yes, he was

[tmx]

Why is this turning into another run of the mill Loeb wins rally. And why does Hirvonen not fight back when he is passed.

[A.F.F.]

Would it make you happy N.O.T. if Ford booted Mikko because he isn't useful enough? I mean, isn't anybody better option than him ?

[OldF]

Petter is painfully slow.. Continually complaining about lack of engine power. In my he should brake the deal with Citroen if there is indeed down-grading happened. Xsara in itself should be still powerful car.

I’ve said it many times, the manu cars have more power than the cars they sell/rent to private teams/drivers.

[r199]

It realy seams to look like Hirvonen is on the citroen payroll as well :eek: :eek: :confused:

[A.F.F.]

Why is this turning into another run of the mill Loeb wins rally. And why does Hirvonen not fight back when he is passed.

What makes you thibnk he doesn't fight back ?? Check the stage times, apart from Mikko there's noone even close to Loeb.

You folks are just unbelievable ...

[dimviii]

any video with Gronholms exit?

[N.O.T]

Would it make you happy N.O.T. if Ford booted Mikko because he isn't useful enough? I mean, isn't anybody better option than him ?

the situation is quite grim at ford to be honest..... i have no answer for your question.

[Psycho!]

i have no answer for your question.
Because there isn't ;) !!

[dimviii]

Petter complains about lack of power,even on Norway.Did not his xsara was fastest wrc car by a laser gun at Norway :rolleyes:

[JFL]

Petter complains about lack of power,even on Norway.Did not his xsara was fastest wrc car by a laser gun at Norway :rolleyes:
What does that prove? That he did'nt lift the throotle on the long straight or, maybe longer gear ratio.. The question is how long time it takes to get to that speed...

[dimviii]

you mean that c4 and focus are shorter in final drive? why they have lack of power instead of xsara?or they didn t notice that Norway rally had this fast section to choose the right final drive? or Seb Mikko and co can t stand on gas in sections of 200+ km/h?

you can t complain for lack of power when you have been measured faster with margin instead of the crews they were faster in that ss...just my opinion.

[JFL]

you mean that c4 and focus are shorter in final drive? why they have lack of power instead of xsara?or they didn t notice that Norway rally had this fast section to choose the right final drive? or Seb Mikko and co can t stand on gas in sections of 200+ km/h?

you can t complain for lack of power when you have been measured faster with margin instead of the crews they were faster in that ss...just my opinion.
Ok! You are absolutely right! Petter's Xsara has exactly the same output if not even more then the works cars.. Sorry..

[dimviii]

don t tell me sorry,just explain how better top speed achieved by a less powerfull car,when in the other cars drivers are Seb and Mikko.

[JFL]

don t tell me sorry,just explain how better top speed achieved by a less powerfull car,when in the other cars drivers are Seb and Mikko.
1. Very very long straight
2. Maybe a little longer gearratio?(Petter did'nt get time to prepare his car for this rally..This is not the fastest rally, exept this stage)
3. Petter is'nt a B-driver( He also knows how to go fast)
4. I was there, and timed the cars up a hill. Petter's car was definetely slower uphill, and out of the corners..

[dimviii]

so if we measure downhill Petter must be the same with other drivers? :D

[Dejan]

don t tell me sorry,just explain how better top speed achieved by a less powerfull car,when in the other cars drivers are Seb and Mikko.

Top speed of Gr.N car in Norway was 202km/h. Does this mean, that the engine in Gr.N car is as good as in C4 or Focus? ;)

[JFL]

so if we measure downhill Petter must be the same with other drivers? :D
hehe, thats a way to put it.. :)
Last year me and some friends was in Germany on the Autobahn.. Me in my Mercedes c-class with 126hp and my friend in his Ford Focus TDCI with 140hp. We raced out of a gasstation, and away he was.. after a minute or so I passed him... How is that possible?? hehe :p :

[dimviii]

i can understand that Petter is from your country,but he must stop complaining always about his bad-unpowerfull-bad suspension cars,and try to drive better.

last 4 years i just remember him complaining,nothing else.

[JFL]

i can understand that Petter is from your country,but he must stop complaining always about his bad-unpowerfull-bad suspension cars,and try to drive better.

last 4 years i just remember him complaining,nothing else.
I also remember that! And I also understand why.. Last season Petter asked to get the steeringsystem from the 04spec WRC car to the new s14, and also new dampers... Did'nt get it, but now Marcus has benefitted from that!
I did'nt here him complain this year? He is just saying the facts..

[Mauri A]

hehe, thats a way to put it.. :)
Last year me and some friends was in Germany on the Autobahn.. Me in my Mercedes c-class with 126hp and my friend in his Ford Focus TDCI with 140hp. We raced out of a gasstation, and away he was.. after a minute or so I passed him... How is that possible?? hehe :p :
?????

[dukof]

you mean that c4 and focus are shorter in final drive? why they have lack of power instead of xsara?or they didn t notice that Norway rally had this fast section to choose the right final drive? or Seb Mikko and co can t stand on gas in sections of 200+ km/h?

you can t complain for lack of power when you have been measured faster with margin instead of the crews they were faster in that ss...just my opinion.
Loeb was asked about this particular fact in Norway, that he was slower on the straight than Petter. He said that his C4 was set up for faster exit of the corners on compromise of top speed, so that was no surprise to him.

I think Loeb is very good at exactly tuning his car very well to each type of stage, or set of stages. Since Petter had such an obvious highest top speed compared to others, it can very well indicate that he may not have had an optimal overall setup. Something that would be expected, in his first rally with the car.

[JFL]

Loeb was asked about this particular fact in Norway, that he was slower on the straight than Petter. He said that his C4 was set up for faster exit of the corners on compromise of top speed, so that was no surprise to him.

I think Loeb is very good at exactly tuning his car very well to each type of stage, or set of stages. Since Petter had such an obvious highest top speed compared to others, it can very well indicate that he may not have had an optimal overall setup. Something that would be expected, in his first rally with the car.
As I tried to explain earlier here :)

[Forde-fotos]

Craig Breen is on an unreal pace in a Fiesta, 13th fastest on SS9, he bet WRC's :D :D :D

[ZequeArgentina]

What does that prove? That he did'nt lift the throotle on the long straight or, maybe longer gear ratio.. The question is how long time it takes to get to that speed...

He explained that, after a long striaght he has the speed, Xsara has less downforce than C4, so nothing surprinsing that he is faster.
He complaint of lack of power in terms of acceleration, not top speed after a long stright.

[harriswrc]

Craig Breen is on an unreal pace in a Fiesta, 13th fastest on SS9, he bet WRC's :D :D :D It is probably a mistaken time... I can't imagine how mr Linari (who is not the fastest driver in the world...) manage to be slower than Loeb only 1s/km!!!
I suppose that times of cars 134,39, 77, 88, 90, 84, 80, 83 are wrong...Or maybe they found a shortcut!!!

[tolis]

It is probably a mistaken time... I can't imagine how mr Linari (who is not the fastest driver in the world...) manage to be slower than Loeb only 1s/km!!!
I suppose that times of cars 134,39, 77, 88, 90, 84, 80, 83 are wrong...Or maybe they found a shortcut!!!

You are wrong!!!
Linari is one of the fastest drivers in PWRC!!! :p : :p : :p :

[Psycho!]

A delay again??

[Forde-fotos]

Yes theres a delay after a photographer was hit by a JWRC car.

[Mauri A]

He explained that, after a long striaght he has the speed, Xsara has less downforce than C4, so nothing surprinsing that he is faster.
He complaint of lack of power in terms of acceleration, not top speed after a long stright.
Nice to see that you are still alive!

[r199]

hope the jwrc car has no damage







o and the photoguy is ok to:P

[muscrae]

Any news from the photographer?

[r199]

he forgot to make the photo of the hit

[jonkka]

Mikko is speeding...

[Mauri A]

hope the jwrc car has no damage







o and the photoguy is ok to:P
What a comment!

That reminds me from the 70s in Safari Rally when Joginder Singh hit a spectator and killed him. I was there on the spot and asked one marshal "How is the spectator?" The answer was "He´s dead, but the problem is that Joginder´s windshield is broken and we do not know if we can find a new one.

[Psycho!]

-1,4 for Mikko!!!Go!!!

[jonkka]

Just don't go past Seb!

[r199]

Sorry Mauri A

whassent meant that way ofcorse i realy hope the photographer is realy ok
but at the same time now it whas a photographer and not a spectator and dont get me wrong this time but how manny times u see a photographer in a realy dangerous place and wharn them tha yust laugh and say i can stand here but ok that dossent mean that it is safe.

[Psycho!]

Different strategy for Mikko and Seb??

[Mauri A]

Sorry Mauri A

whassent meant that way ofcorse i realy hope the photographer is realy ok
but at the same time now it whas a photographer and not a spectator and dont get me wrong this time but how manny times u see a photographer in a realy dangerous place and wharn them tha yust laugh and say i can stand here but ok that dossent mean that it is safe.
O.K.

[N.O.T]

well basically if seb wants to use tactics Hirvonen cannot do anything about it....and i hope that seb does use tactics to give mikko a taste of his medicine.

[Psycho!]

It is in the rules,so I don't cry about it,like others...!!

[Psycho!]

The link for the next live stage??

[Fide]

well basically if seb wants to use tactics Hirvonen cannot do anything about it....and i hope that seb does use tactics to give mikko a taste of his medicine.

Don´t forget Petter.... He makes Sordo to be nervous....

[tolis]

http://delicast.com/tv/Portugal/sports/RTP_Mobile
Then click to RTP mobile...

[FF-fan]

http://tv.gforum.tv/canal/474/RTP_N

[Psycho!]

Hirvo loses over Sordo as well...Suspicious.....

[jonkka]

Loeb shows who's master...

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen was slower than his morning pass....

[jonkka]

So is Loeb

[r199]

Kevin A is on it now in the jwrc whit the r2 :eek: :eek: looks like he has got the devil behind him :s mokin:

[Mirek]

Kevin is driving R3, not R2. He has the same type of car as Bettega ;)

[Mirek]

Prokop won two stages i na row and despite and is now close to Brynildsen :)

[N.O.T]

mikko must now push like hell to narrow the gap as much as possible....

[r199]

oops haha whel he is not driving a fast jwrc car but he is fast

[Psycho!]

So,tactics from Mikko?

[Forde-fotos]

So,tactics from Mikko?
No, he just can't match Seb. :D :D :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

So who's leading?

:|

[ZequeArgentina]

wow, flodin overtuned, saw it live thansk for the link.
Now Araujo leads his home rally, but Prokop is coming quick!

[r199]

who did go off there on the live feed

[hari]

who did go off there on the live feed

Flodin

[r199]

d kuipers also stoped looks like engien problems

[Mirek]

Prokop technical problems again :(

[Madeira]

Prokop big big troubles!!

[jonkka]

Finally!

[John V]

Prokop big big troubles!!
Did you heard something from him? Obrigado.

[wwbroe]

So Seb has a 27 sec lead from Mikko after day 2. Tomorrow four real stages, but only two where he has to sweep the road, so i guess he is going for his 51th win? :D

[jonkka]

Looks that way, yes

[jonkka]

Henning about to pass Wilson

[tolis]

I agree , guys...

[Rallyper]

Ogier got suspension problems - why does it never happen to Loeb (or Sordo) ??? :confused:
It´s a great loss that Marcus went off. And then Flodin.... what a day....
(saying the swedish/finnish supporter #1) :mad:

[wwbroe]

Ostberg only 0.8 sec behind Novikov, nice fight for tomorrow? ;)

[White Sauron]

Very disappointing for Mikko... And I do really think he could have been faster than that. Just Latvala once again lets Hirvonen down, and that makes Mikko think about Manufacturers points more than about personal victory...
1. If Ford wants to get points - they must get rid of Latvala and bring in someone more consistent.
2. If Ford wants to get victories - they must get rid of Latvala as well so that Mikko can really fight on the limit.

[Mirek]

Ogier got suspension problems - why does it never happen to Loeb (or Sordo) ??? :confused:

Suspension usualy doesn't broke itself...

[wwbroe]

]Suspension usualy doesn't broke itself...

Usually they first race of a wheel or something and then in pressinfo it says broken suspension. :D

[Rallyper]

]Suspension usualy doesn't broke itself...

Yeah, your´e right about that, no doubt. But sometimes it does and it sure will not happen to guys like Loeb anyway. That was my thought. If it should more people should like this sport, which is going to be more and more boring the more Loeb is winning.

Already longing for Finland. :cool:

[alleskids]

Which of the (7) JWRC drivers has hit the photografer?

Edit: Bonato when he got offroad and hit a Spanish photographer

[Finni]

Very disappointing for Mikko... And I do really think he could have been faster than that. Just Latvala once again lets Hirvonen down, and that makes Mikko think about Manufacturers points more than about personal victory...
1. If Ford wants to get points - they must get rid of Latvala and bring in someone more consistent.
2. If Ford wants to get victories - they must get rid of Latvala as well so that Mikko can really fight on the limit.

From where is coming this odd assumption that Mikko is slowing down due to manufacturers champ?? LOOL its's against everything that Mikko has said; he is going for drivers champiionships even with little risks. Mikko is no more boy and he must to think his own championship and own results first.

[Psycho!]

Even I am a Ford supporter,it's time to accept that Seb is another planet....I can justify Mikko's times in the morning from road cleaning...But to lose 11s and then 8s on much better conditions is just unacceptable...I am trying to find ways to justify it,but that's impossible...I feel sorry,but Citroen and Seb are the Champions of 2009................

[Mirek]

Which of the (7) JWRC drivers has hit the photografer?

Edit: Bonato when he got offroad and hit a Spanish photographer

Any info about the photographer? Is he ok?

[wwbroe]

Did you guys see the photo of the car of Latvalla on rallye-magazine.de? It really looks terrible, he was very lucky to come out of this one without injuries. :eek:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/top/topnews/d16/d/2009/04/03/latvala-froh-ueberlebt-zu-haben/index.html

[serial jeff]

I'm also getting tired of watching Seb win every rally with relative ease. It's not just that he's a really good driver in a really good car; more importantly, there's just no one left who can challenge him. Mikko wasn't nearly as fast as Marcus when he became the no1 driver when Marcus retired.

Marcus and Petter are the only guys who are good enough to regularly beat Seb. But Marcus retired and Petter's Subaru has been literally falling apart underneath him for the last 4 years, and now he's in a private car that can't match the pace of the manufacturer cars.

So there's really no one left in a position to challenge Seb.

[animrallye]

I'm also getting tired of watching Seb win every rally with relative ease. It's not just that he's a really good driver in a really good car; more importantly, there's just no one left who can challenge him. Mikko wasn't nearly as fast as Marcus when he became the no1 driver when Marcus retired.

Marcus and Petter are the only guys who are good enough to regularly beat Seb. But Marcus retired and Petter's Subaru has been literally falling apart underneath him for the last 4 years, and now he's in a private car that can't match the pace of the manufacturer cars.

So there's really no one left in a position to challenge Seb.
+1
What an annoying season :rolleyes:

[bluuford]

Wow.. Ott Tänak from Markko Märtin team won the last stage in group N. He has done very well. he said that his aim is to just finish the rally. It is his first ever WRC rally. Yesterday he retired before the last stage because on penultimate stage he cought the car in front (and drove almost whole stage behind that car losing over minute) and the dust caused some problems to the engine of his car and he decided not do risk with the engine on the last stage. Good luck for the last day.

[Bazza2541]

Marcus and Petter are the only guys who are good enough to regularly beat Seb.

So there's really no one left in a position to challenge Seb.

What planet do you live on, where Petter could regularly beat Loeb?
April fools was the first of April not 4th. LMAO

[JFL]

What planet do you live on, where Petter could regularly beat Loeb?
April fools was the first of April not 4th. LMAO

???

[serial jeff]

What planet do you live on, where Petter could regularly beat Loeb?
April fools was the first of April not 4th. LMAO

:rolleyes: 2003 and 2004. Did you not watch rallying back then?

[MJW]

Some interesting words from Max Mosely at Rally Portugal
http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2009/Pages/wrc_conference.aspx

[Barreis]

Please when is live Portugal TV tommorrow? :)

[AndyRAC]

Some interesting words from Max Mosely at Rally Portugal
http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2009/Pages/wrc_conference.aspx

Quite an interesting interview -and quite a surprise that Max was in Portugal and not Malaysia.

[tolis]

@Barreis:
14.00 local Portuguese time.

[Barreis]

Thanx.. :)

[Bazza2541]

:rolleyes: 2003 and 2004. Did you not watch rallying back then?
5 years ago!!! May as well be 500 years ago.
Petter is done and even at his best would be no match for Loeb today. Face it, Loeb is a rally machine, untouchable 99.999% of the time. And I hate him for it.
Why can't we all stop with the "ifs" and "but onlys" and get on with what is actually realistic?

[alleskids]

Rene Kuiper has hit a car on the transit between stage 12 and 13. His navigator, Erwin Berkhof, is seriously injured and has been flown to Lissabon hospital ??!! Near the city of Almodovar. The two guys in the othe rcar are aslo wounded.

[JFL]

There will allways be ifs and buts in motorsport. Put all the guys in the same car, then you will see who the best is.. As far as I rememeber, if you can call it the "Subaru WRC cup" Petter has beaten Martin, Makinen, Hirvonen, Atkinson, Sarrazain...etc... Loeb has beaten Duval, McRae, Sainz and Sordo.. We can speculate all we want, and never find the answer.. All I know is Loeb has got the upper hand:Best car(no doubt), best team, french team, and a lot of self confidence due to that.. No doubt Loeb is the greatest ever, but that is not only his "fault" ;) I hope he stays in wrc until the s2000 comes into picture... Maybe some changes? Who knows.. In my opinion Loeb, Bosse and Solberg is in a class of their own.. Why? Cause statistics in motorsports is not fair... I was a great gokart driver, but what did that help, when I did'nt get the right equipment and help, ..etc..

[Mirek]

It looks like this bodyshell may be written off as well...
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6618/sandell.jpg

[Mirek]

Rene Kuiper has hit a car on the transit between stage 12 and 13. His navigator, Erwin Berkhof, is seriously injured and has been flown to Lissabon hospital ??!! Near the city of Almodovar. The two guys in the othe rcar are aslo wounded.

I hope it's not that much serious...

[jonas_mcrae]

]It looks like this bodyshell may be written off as well...
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6618/sandell.jpg

baaah

you can still drive that, remeber madMax Colin and his Focus!!!

[Mirek]

Well, if it has working engine, You can. This one however not (run out of oil after the crash).

[tolis]

baaah

you can still drive that, remeber madMax Colin and his Focus!!!

Cyprus 2002...

[Sardalense]

Bonato´s car

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t208/Sardalense/IMG_6138-1.jpg

He had the acident in the same spot where Chris Atkinson crashed in 2007.

[JAM]

]I hope it's not that much serious...


Unfortunately is serious. That's the reason why he went to an hopsital in Lisbon.

This a picture that a spectator put on a Portuguese forum:

http://www.postimage.org/Pq13Wbci.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq13Wbci)

[noel157]

Looks bad, hope Erwin Berkhof and the others will be ok.

[Daniel]

Unfortunately is serious. That's the reason why he went to an hopsital in Lisbon.

This a picture that a spectator put on a Portuguese forum:

http://www.postimage.org/Pq13Wbci.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq13Wbci)
Jeezus

[Finni]

5 years ago!!! May as well be 500 years ago.
Petter is done and even at his best would be no match for Loeb today.

2004 Petter won 2x more gravel stages than Loeb and would have woin almost every gravel round If Subaru had been reliable.

[serial jeff]

5 years ago!!! May as well be 500 years ago.
Petter is done and even at his best would be no match for Loeb today. Face it, Loeb is a rally machine, untouchable 99.999% of the time. And I hate him for it.
Why can't we all stop with the "ifs" and "but onlys" and get on with what is actually realistic?

During the 2008 season I might have agreed with you, but after watching Petter in the Xsara it's clear that the Subaru was holding him back.

Even in 2006, Petter was often challenging for the win when his car would just fall apart. It was so unreliable that it was almost funny. He'd be speeding along when, without warning, something would break. I recall one rally where I believe something spontaneously caught fire. It's one thing to have your suspension break after hitting a rock with an open wheel, but it's completely different when the car just can't make it through a whole rally.

I'm not saying Petter is faster than Loeb because it's impossible to know- it's my opinion that Loeb is overall the best driver, but I think that in a C4, Petter would be tough competition for Loeb on gravel rallies and get a couple victories.

[tmx]

Even in 2006, Petter was often challenging for the win when his car would just fall apart. It was so unreliable that it was almost funny. He'd be speeding along when, without warning, something would break. I recall one rally where I believe something spontaneously caught fire. It's one thing to have your suspension break after hitting a rock with an open wheel, but it's completely different when the car just can't make it through a whole rally. I swear he has so much bad luck it's ridiculous. It come to the point where I predict what next bad thing will happen to him. I should make a youtube compilation on Petter's bad luck.

[Psycho!]

May we expect Petter to shine today??Twisty and technical stages conclude Rally Portugal...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mayyybeeeeee

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys, everybody ready for today's action? :D

[Psycho!]

Are you listening to WRR?I can't...

[WRC1]

lets see if mikko will fight or again will accept to be second...

[MikeD]

I can't either. Think something is once again wrong with the WRR site.

[Psycho!]

May we expect Petter to shine today??Twisty and technical stages conclude Rally Portugal...
Ooops, I take it back...!+3,5 on the first split is quite a loss! :(

[wwbroe]

WRR is working fin here with me in Belgium. For once :D

[wwbroe]

Mikko is loosing compared to Loeb, what a surprise. :D

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah no radio here either

[WRC1]

Mikko is loosing compared to Loeb, what a surprise. :D


but loeb has to sweep the road and this is such biiiiiig disadvantage???

due to the very good result of day 1 ford now knows how to beat loeb and will do so in next race...it is every time the same...

[wwbroe]

Wilson is setting rather good splits, don't you guys agree? ;)

[Psycho!]

And Henning slower than Matthew!"Slownning" is a good name?LOL

[Psycho!]

Wilson faster than Petter too!!!

[wwbroe]

Doing a good job for the moment, i must admit that. Maybe he has to replace Latvalla, to allow Ford to take at least some manufacturers points. ;)

[wwbroe]

Nice fight between Novikov and Ostberg, doing great splits. :)

[bluuford]

It is pure fun to compare Novikov and Ostberg splits :-)

[Psycho!]

Henning lost nearly a minute...Problems for him??

[wwbroe]

Very good time for Ostberg, moving up in front of Novikov. ;)

[Psycho!]

Any comments from the drivers from the stage end??

[wwbroe]

Henning lost nearly a minute...Problems for him??

His front window was misting up and he had to stop on one point to clean it. :(

[MikeD]

His front window was misting up and he had to stop on one point to clean it. :(

Is it just me, or is something weird always happening to him?

[WRC1]

to the guys from vysledky.cz you have an error in your timing!

loebs final time on stage 14 is 15:46,5 not 14:56,6!!!

reg

wrc1

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone got a fix to the radio problem?
The same thing happens when i try to play video's on wrc.com
Sits and load for a while and then it just says ready....

[John V]

to the guys from vysledky.cz you have an error in your timing!

loebs final time on stage 14 is 15:46,5 not 14:56,6!!!

reg

wrc1

Thanks, we already fix it. Sorry to all.

[tolis]

Good morning!!!!!!!!!
Now that Seb is cleaning the road, he is fastest, in contrast to Mikko who yesterday cleaned the road and was behind Seb in the first three stages...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Try to restart your computer if radio doesn't work.

If you use Firefox, maybe use Explorer, if you use Safari use Firefox or other ways around =)

Works fine for me =)

[John V]

Anyone got a fix to the radio problem?
The same thing happens when i try to play video's on wrc.com
Sits and load for a while and then it just says ready....

Try different browser/player. I have two notebooks on table, sometimesone is working properly and second one not, but different system updates. And of course, erase browser cache and try Ctrl+F5 to refresh page.

[wwbroe]

Novikov is stopped on the stage :(

[WRC1]

Thanks, we already fix it. Sorry to all.

thx!!!

and thx for the great job you do for us!

reg

wrc1

[SubaruNorway]

It works now, just turned my modem off and on, amazing what wonders turning something off and on can do sometimes :p

[John V]

It works now, just turned my modem off and on, amazing what wonders turning something off and on can do sometimes :p

Not wonder, just IP and DNS settings, etc. :)

[SubaruNorway]

Not wonder, just IP and DNS settings, etc. :)

Yeah i thought it had something to do with that :)

[WRC1]

Hirvonen after cyprus: once the rally moved onto gravel I was faster than Loeb and that´s a big boost as there are now seven consecutive loose surface events to come....

Hirvonen after stage 15 in Portugal: "No point to take risk. Nothing to do."

[dimviii]

what time is todays live?

[John V]

Hirvonen after cyprus: once the rally moved onto gravel I was faster than Loeb and that´s a big boost as there are now seven consecutive loose surface events to come....

Hirvonen after stage 15 in Portugal: "No point to take risk. Nothing to do."

Yes, but once again, excellent lesson by Seb. He told expected dusty conditions on this morning, so wanted to be first on road. And all the others had problems with dust ...

[MikeD]

Hirvonen after cyprus: once the rally moved onto gravel I was faster than Loeb and that´s a big boost as there are now seven consecutive loose surface events to come....

Hirvonen after stage 15 in Portugal: "No point to take risk. Nothing to do."

Either Hirvonen is a quitter, or Malcom Wilson has told him that they need the 8 points for the Manu title after JML's off.

Anyway, it's a pathetic approach!

[tolis]

@dimvii
It is 16.00 Greek time.

[jonkka]

Anyway, it's a pathetic approach!

Nope, it's realistic. There is no driver that can be 30 secs faster over Loeb in just little less than 40 kilometers. No point of trying to accomplish the impossible.

[dimviii]

ευχαριστω Τολη :up:

[Mirek]

When SS14 was cancelled because of Griotti, how come that he continues on SS15?

[Ghostwalker]

here we go Seb is on the stage now.

[jonas_mcrae]

Mikko -3 split 3

[jonkka]

Seb is cruising

[wwbroe]

Mikko is admitting that he is driving for second place, that about says it all, isn't it? ;)

[WRC1]

Mikko -3 split 3

wow! what an afford! he is 5 sec faster as seb, this looking very promising for the coming races....

come on, Loeb is again playing cat and mouse with the little boys

[John V]

]When SS14 was cancelled because of Griotti, how come that he continues on SS15?

There was yellow flag after his roll, if he manage to finish the stage. I think they wouldn't like any delay like yesterday.

[RS]

After yesterday's stages, Mikko (or whoever made his quote up for the press release said): "A gap of nearly 27sec is a lot but I won't settle for second. I hope Loeb will struggle with the conditions, as I did today, because I'm not counting on him having a problem. My only option is to attack and drive flat out."

I really thought this could finally be the rally where Ford won (due to sweeping advantage), but nooo...

[N.O.T]

i expected more from hirvonen today.....at least keep the pressure on seb and hope something goes wrong.....

[John V]

Seems now is 3 min gap between cars, not 2 min ...

[Blitzerflitzer]

For the Guys on vysledky-rally.cz, news from Petter: "We got a note from the stewards also this morning, and they had decided to give me a new time on stage 8, when I got caught behind Marcus yesterday." http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/?lang_pref=en

[r199]

good news from Kuipers sr

Effects accident René Kuipers happy fall

Datum: 05 April 2009 Date: 05 April 2009


On the stage of test 12 to 13 yesterday afternoon the team of René Kuipers and Erwin Berkhof had an accident with a car that was not involved in the WRC Rally of Portugal. Immediately after the car alarm is activated, the organization of the rally an ambulance and a helicopter to the scene of the accident, conducted for the occupants of the Ford Focus WRC medical assistance
. René Kuipers was transported by ambulance to Faro where he has a night observation this morning was dismissed from the hospital with several bruises but otherwise unharmed. At the spot of the accident, the responsible physicians decided to Erwin Berkhof by helicopter to transport to Lisbon where better medical facilities
. This morning, the doctor in Lisbon reported that Erwin Berkhof no serious injury has kept the accident and that the coming days may leave the hospital to make the return journey to the Netherlands.

Source: Ipatec Racing

thans to the safety rules for the rollcage

[John V]

For the Guys on vysledky-rally.cz, news from Petter: "We got a note from the stewards also this morning, and they had decided to give me a new time on stage 8, when I got caught behind Marcus yesterday." http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/?lang_pref=en

Thanx man!

[John V]

Stewards changed time of Prokop on SS9 as well ...

[Blitzerflitzer]

Thanx man!

you welcome, thanks for your site :)

[SubaruNorway]

Wicked, i won the stobbart shirt :p

[Ghostwalker]

no splits for Seb?

[Ghostwalker]

nevermind he justappeared again.

[DonJippo]

Stewards changed time of Prokop on SS9 as well ...

There has been quite a few changed times during the event as can be seen from stewards decisions here http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/index.php?z=3&MIT=3616&template_id=190

[John V]

There has been quite a few changed times during the event as can be seen from stewards decisions here http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/index.php?z=3&MIT=3616&template_id=190

We check it once again, thanks DJ

[tolis]

Congratulations Tor Andre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghostwalker]

Loeb has problems??

[jonkka]

Propably just GPS