What if Mikko was driving C4 WRCar in Finland??? or even Subaru???

[jparker]

I just wonder what the outcome of NORF could of been if Mikko drove C4 WRCar. Why Finns don't opt for the better cars. To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago. So, what's all about Finns liking Ford so much, they will never provide car capable of wining the drivers title.

[L5->R5/CR]

I just wonder what the outcome of NORF could of been if Mikko drove C4 WRCar. Why Finns don't opt for the better cars. To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago. So, what's all about Finns liking Ford so much, they will never provide car capable of wining the drivers title.

You honestly think that the Subaru is better than the Ford?

Mikko got second because he didn't have the maturity/experience to be truly 100% for every cm of every stage. He even said he was too cautious and that he just wasn't 100% on the limit all the time to be able to beat Seb.

[ste898]

He would'nt have won Finland in any car.......he's simply not good enough!!

[jparker]

You honestly think that the Subaru is better than the Ford?

Mikko got second because he didn't have the maturity/experience to be truly 100% for every cm of every stage. He even said he was too cautious and that he just wasn't 100% on the limit all the time to be able to beat Seb.

I know what you mean and don't disagree completely, but the times Atko posted at the end just makes me think about it.

[Tomi]

There is not so many choises, and different drivers contracts ends at different times, so its much a coinsident that Mikko drives a Ford i think, but 1 thing im quite sure about, there will never be a driver managed by Jouhki driving a subaru prepaired by prodrive, that bad treatment Mikko did get last time.
But I think the outcome would have been the same even with the Citroen.

[Woodeye]

I just wonder what the outcome of NORF could of been if Mikko drove C4 WRCar. Why Finns don't opt for the better cars. To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago. So, what's all about Finns liking Ford so much, they will never provide car capable of wining the drivers title.

1. The outcome would most probably been the same
2. Why don't finns opt for better cars? So far Finns have driven at least Citroen, Subaru, Ford, Lancia, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Talbot, Toyota, Seat etc.. Which one would suit you the best? So far we've done just fine I guess.
3. I'm a finn and I don't like Ford. I like VW and Porsche for example.
4. The only driver in WRC at the moment who gets to choose his drive is Seb (I guess)
5. So far Finns have won quite a few drivers titles, at least 20 something from 70's and many before that

[Rallyst3ve]

jparker
Why Finns don't opt for the better cars. To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago. So, what's all about Finns liking Ford so much

Guess you havent watched the WRC for a while as Ford have been constructors champions for the last 2 years so obviously better than Subaru at the moment :p

[bluuford]

5. So far Finns have won quite a few drivers titles, at least 20 something from 70's and many before that

Finns have taken 13 drivers titles since 1979 when the drivers titles were introduced. and alen in 1978 who won fia cup for drivers

[jparker]

Guess you havent watched the WRC for a while as Ford have been constructors champions for the last 2 years so obviously better than Subaru at the moment :p
You kidding me, right? Wow, 2 manu titles, that's impressive.
So, when was the last time Ford driver won the drivers title? 70's?

[cut the b.s.]

You kidding me, right? Wow, 2 manu titles, that's impressive.
So, when was the last time Ford driver won the drivers title? 70's?


Is your life really so boring? Or why start this thread?
Ford have made some very good cars since the move to MSport, half of them had the ability but not the luck or occasionally the drivers to win titles.
Mikko in a C4 would not be faster than a Focus, and a Sub? daft suggestion :-)

[jparker]

Is your life really so boring? Or why start this thread?
Ford have made some very good cars since the move to MSport, half of them had the ability but not the luck or occasionally the drivers to win titles.
Mikko in a C4 would not be faster than a Focus, and a Sub? daft suggestion :-)

I can start any thread I want, as long as it complies with the rules of this forum, and I believe it does. I don't like Ford, don't like the way they manage the team, don't like their tech and tactic cheating and I think there is nothing wrong to express that here.
BTW, judging other's people life I guess is not in the rules.
Your opinion about Ford is nice, but is it true? I don't think so. Many world champions drove Ford, but they got their titles with different cars, so don't tell me about luck and driver's faults.

[koko0703]

If Mikko was driving C4 in Finland, he would probably finish 2nd behind Loeb, so the result would be the same. I don't think Mikko is faster than Loeb in any car.

[Helstar]

Silly thread, with Subaru he would have scored same final time of Atko (more or less) ...

[Koppomsbo]

I don't like Ford, don't like the way they manage the team, don't like their tech and tactic cheating and I think there is nothing wrong to express that here.


And u think that all the other teams stick to the rules at all times??

[ShiftingGears]

To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago.

Are you kidding?

[Zes]

With C4 he would have been told to stay behind Seb. With Ford he was atleast allowed to fight. And come on, he was almost as fast as Seb. Little bad luck for Seb and the positions have been different.

[DonJippo]

I don't like Ford, don't like the way they manage the team, don't like their tech and tactic cheating and I think there is nothing wrong to express that here.

And you have ofcourse facts to show that Ford has been cheating?

[N.O.T]

i think he refers to the scared little dog tactics as cheating....

[jparker]

And you have ofcourse facts to show that Ford has been cheating?

Thin glass, rocks in the trunk, less weight after ejected wheel? Sounds familiar?

[jparker]

i think he refers to the scared little dog tactics as cheating....

Not at all. That wasn't cheating, nothing wrong there.

[AlfaWRC]

MIKKO IS IN THE LEAD OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP.
Yeaaahhhh!!!!

No I have to leave as trips to Germany and directly afterwards New Zealand are on the agenda.

So keep on discussing, I will be out on the stages....
Greetinx

[cali]

Thin glass, rocks in the trunk, less weight after ejected wheel? Sounds familiar?
Oh, come on you're being pathetic now! Having a bad day??? Could someone move this thread to chit chat, this has nothing to do with rallying anymore :D

[Roy]

Thin glass, rocks in the trunk, less weight after ejected wheel? Sounds familiar?

Thin glass was a production mistake of a supplier.
Rocks oke, that is a point. Let us research what the reason was for that.
and the story you always tell abot that wheel is bullsh!t.

[cali]

Thin glass was a production mistake of a supplier.
Rocks oke, that is a point. Let us research what the reason was for that.
and the story you always tell abot that wheel is bullsh!t.
I thinks the rock story is when Markko put a big rock to trunk to hold the spare wheel or smth.

I think this topic is bulls!t.

[mdesign]

Well, someone seems to hate ford lol. Personally, a like ford, and I respect what they have done for the wrc. ford must be the only manufactor that has been on wrc from the begining (good times and bad times). In the last few years the focus wrc has been one of the best cars. Ford supports privateers (most of the teams don't), etc. etc. etc.
My opinion, there is no car in the world that would have made Miko beat Loeb.

[Tomi]

In the last few years the focus wrc has been one of the best cars. Ford supports privateers (most of the teams don't), etc. etc. etc.

I think it has been more up to the drivers than the car that Ford has not won any titles until recently.

[jparker]

My opinion, there is no car in the world that would have made Miko beat Loeb.

But he almost did? You don't think so?

[jparker]

I think it has been more up to the drivers than the car that Ford has not won any titles until recently.

Last year many Finns here were singing different song, but that's OK.

[DonJippo]

Thin glass, rocks in the trunk, less weight after ejected wheel? Sounds familiar?

LOL only thin glass somehow could be seen as cheat as whole team was involved but what was the gain... 0.5 kg maybe? I'm sure...I know there are better ways to cheat than these so the way I see it you don't have anything solid just speculations.

[mdesign]

But he almost did? You don't think so?
I'm just saying the problem is not the car, he just had to push a bit harder.

[A.F.F.]

I'm just saying the problem is not the car, he just had to push a bit harder.

That is unfortunately the whole truth. Sebastien won fair and Mikko couldn't do nothing about it. They drove what, three or fair the exact same stage times in NORF and both pushed maximum? That tells that the cars were pretty much equal.

Then again, I don't see the point in this thread anyway :mark:

[jparker]

That is unfortunately the whole truth. Sebastien won fair and Mikko couldn't do nothing about it. They drove what, three or fair the exact same stage times in NORF and both pushed maximum? That tells that the cars were pretty much equal.

Then again, I don't see the point in this thread anyway :mark:

How do you know they both pushed to the maximum?
I'm not saying they didn't, but how in the world do you know that for sure?
How do you know the skill/car combination is the same for both?
Equal results don't mean everything is equal.
Unfortunately it's all based on your assumptions, you have yours I have mine.
Your way of thinking has absolutely the same flaws as mine.
Yes, I do agree that the thread has no much point, but what's wrong of posting threads without having much point?
If you don't see the point in this thread, why did you bother to reply?

[Woodeye]

How do you know they both pushed to the maximum?

Are you serious? I mean really...


Yes, I do agree that the thread has no much point

Your best comment so far in this thread.

[White Sauron]

C'mon guys, stop getting at each other. You'd better dispute what Loeb could have achieved, had he been driving the Focus ;)

[A.F.F.]

How do you know they both pushed to the maximum?
I'm not saying they didn't, but how in the world do you know that for sure?
How do you know the skill/car combination is the same for both?
Equal results don't mean everything is equal.
Unfortunately it's all based on your assumptions, you have yours I have mine.
Your way of thinking has absolutely the same flaws as mine.
Yes, I do agree that the thread has no much point, but what's wrong of posting threads without having much point?
If you don't see the point in this thread, why did you bother to reply?


First, I was there watching the rally. I know I'm not an expert but it was pretty easy to see, based on comparing to other drivers that Mikko and Sebastien went on the limit.

Second. If they themselves SAY they push maximum....

Third... are you having a bad week or something? :confused: I haven't seen such a child here for a long time ;)

[White Sauron]

Third... are you having a bad week or something? ;)

It's normal for women once a month.

Just a joke though)

[Nenukknak]

Want Ford to win the driverschampionship again? It's simple, put Loeb in. Or wait till he retires. But Miko is doing a good job and might win it this year.

But I agree with some of the points that JParker states about Ford. Ford, like also Toyota (those backstabbing s) is the only team that has always been in rallying and WRC. And just for that they deserve our respect and/or gratitude. All the other manufacturers have never been consistent in rallying and therefore the championship is lacking in quality.

Ford have however shot themselves in the foot onmore than one occasion, and building a successful car has not been their virtue, either through lack of commitment, half-hearted attempts, bad design, or bad luck (banning of group B when RS200 was just out).

Ford could (should) have been more successful, but bless them anyway.

Just on the site: I would love it if Loeb would sign for Subaru next year to see what he can do with that car. Not gonna happen, but would be nice to get Loeb out of that Citroen.

[Zico]

Jparker, if you dont like Ford thats fine, nothing wrong with that.. we all have our favourite manufacturers but why start a thread slagging them off just to cause friction on here? Your just trolling mate, why dont you just (thrusting motion) off over to the F1 section? you'll be in likeminded company there.


Ford cheat jibes coming from a Toyota fan.. LMAO!! :D

[Helstar]

Just on the site: I would love it if Loeb would sign for Subaru next year to see what he can do with that car. Not gonna happen, but would be nice to get Loeb out of that Citroen.
It's easy: he would fade away, struggling in mid-low positions, more or less like Solberg.

Would be quite interesting to have him in a Ford instead ;)

[Daniel]

Thin glass, rocks in the trunk, less weight after ejected wheel? Sounds familiar?

I'd like to dedicate this song to JParker :)


Where is the moment we needed the most
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
You tell me your blue skies fade to grey
You tell me your passion's gone away
And I don't need no carryin' on

You stand in the line just to hit a new low
You're faking a smile with the coffee to go
You tell me your life's been way off line
You're falling to pieces everytime
And I don't need no carryin' on

Because you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day

Well, you need a blue sky holiday
The point is they laugh at what you say
And I don't need no carryin' on

You had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day

(Oh.. Holiday..)

Sometimes the system goes on the blink
And the whole thing turns out wrong
You might not make it back and you know
That you could be well oh that strong
And I'm not wrong (ahhh...)

So where is the passion when you need it the most
Oh, you and I
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost

'Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
You've seen what you like
And how does it feel for one more time
You had a bad day
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(Oh, yeah, yeaaah, yeah)
Had a bad day
(Oh, had a bad day)
Had a bad day
(Oh, yeah, yeah, yeeeeah)
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(Oh, had a bad day)
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Have you had a bad day or something?

[wroom]

I just wonder what the outcome of NORF could of been if Mikko drove C4 WRCar. Why Finns don't opt for the better cars. To be honest, I think even Subaru could of done the job for Mikko 2 weeks ago. So, what's all about Finns liking Ford so much, they will never provide car capable of wining the drivers title.

Well, this certainly makes it very high on my personal ranking list for the Most Utterly Hilarious Thread of the Year (MUHTY). He starts out with a seemingly valid question and then knocks us off the bench with an absolute killer of an end. Truly a great comedian in the works! :D Keep up the good work!

P.S. Gardmeister has clearly opted for a better car after his time at pesky old Ford and he's one of them Finns! ;)

[Koz]

This is some seriously funny stuff.
When I started reading this, i though it was a comedy of some sort. But after reading the whole thing, I am thinking the OP is delusional.

You remember a few years ago in Finland, there was this guy in a red car.. It was a very bad car. I dont think it had power steering that day... And it only had three gears... Now, I think on that day the red car i am talking about was much worse off than the Focus. But back then we had a driver who was won with three gears. Against the scoobies, and the fords, and citroens. And most importantly I think the drivers of that time were alot better than they are now.

happens and drivers dont win. Personally, even though he is leading the championship, I dont think he has enough xyz at the moment to be a champion. Loeb is in a class of his own. More now than ever before. Atleast in the begining Marcus and Petter could hold him off abit.

And I also think, if you did put Marcus into a Focus, Scooby, C4, hell even in a bloody whale! He would win. But thats because he is magic marcus!!!

[playmo]

mmm i have an idea!, let's start a thread entitled: What if Mcrae comes down from the heavens and drive a car prepared by God himself.
Silly thread it would be....
One thing tough: C4 has a better acceleration and top speed than the Focus isn't it?
EDIT, i know that has to do with gear ratios and stuff...