Princess refuses team orders to let Kaanan pass..

[SoCalPVguy]

Team is screaming to let Tony by as he is on another fuel strategy but she refuses (according to TV reports).

[jackmart]

I feel bad for TK since the said MA said the same thing. But if he has that much speed why does he have to have them let him pass, why can't he just pass them?

[SoCalPVguy]

I feel bad for TK since the said MA said the same thing. But if he has that much speed why does he have to have them let him pass, why can't he just pass them?


Yes reported that MA also refuses saying "if I hear one more time to pull over we're going to have abig problem"

I think that AGR has has a huge morale problem. However you're right If he's faster cannot he just pass, although these cars are very even with all that wing downforce.

[Andrewmcm]

And then she gets punted off by Marco....!

[call_me_andrew]

I usually defend Marco, but that was a dumb move.

[SoCalPVguy]

I usually defend Marco, but that was a dumb move.

Could have gone either way, it it possible she "checked up" on him.

Again I think AGR has a major morale proble.... The princess taken out by Daddy;s (team owner;s) boy... Princess and boy refusing to let the sr., faster team mate by ... "A the AGR world turns" soap opera

[The instant classic]

smack her :)

[DavePI2]

Seems that agr only has two drivers that really deserve a ride with a good team, and they arn't danica and marco.


david

[harvick#1]

yep, they only have rides in that equipment because, A. Daddys son. B. Female driver, yet much better more professional drivers like Meira are in equipment they hussle to stay up front

[The instant classic]

yep, they only have rides in that equipment because, A. Daddys son. B. Female driver, yet much better more professional drivers like Meira are in equipment they hussle to stay up front
yup i agree :up:

and for Michael Andretti he plays favorites with danica and marco, and in the end that just hurts AGR cuz soon TK will get tierd of this and leave AGR and go to the first car that comes his way, and never really do anything ti'll he says im going to nascar, and once more indycar loses a top driver,
Michael Andretti is crazy for what hes doing, marco does something dumb he looks the other way, danica does something dumb you cant do anything shes a girl,, both danica and marco have it made in that way, but it just hurts AGR in this way :mark:

[drewdawg727]

Those two consistently have the worst attitudes of racecar drivers I have ever seen.
I hope Andretti makes some executive decisions and gets rid of them and puts two able-bodied people who want to win races and not worry about their pride in those vehicles.

[gm99]

But if he has that much speed why does he have to have them let him pass, why can't he just pass them?

Is that you, Milka? I've heard the same argument last week-end...

[jackmart]

Is that you, Milka? I've heard the same argument last week-end...


I'm not sure what you are alluding to. TK wasn't that much better than his teammates. If he was he would have easily passed them like the other did that passed him.

As far as the Milka incident. Blocking, getting in someone's way while driving, vs. move over to let your teammate over are two totally different issues. I did not see footage that Milka was blocking Danica and no one had a link to show that. So I'm confused.

[gm99]

I'm not sure what you are alluding to. TK wasn't that much better than his teammates. If he was he would have easily passed them like the other did that passed him.

As far as the Milka incident. Blocking, getting in someone's way while driving, vs. move over to let your teammate over are two totally different issues. I did not see footage that Milka was blocking Danica and no one had a link to show that. So I'm confused.

I'm alluding to the fact that almost every driver in history who is accused of blocking someone will excuse himself by saying "well, if he/she was so much faster than me, he/she should just have passed me", thus negating that it is kind of hard to pass someone who is actively blocking you.

[mlj]

And then she gets punted off by Marco....!

So, where is the video showing Danica jumping into Marco's ****, oh yeah that's her Boss's Son !

[Jag_Warrior]

Those two consistently have the worst attitudes of racecar drivers I have ever seen.
I hope Andretti makes some executive decisions and gets rid of them and puts two able-bodied people who want to win races and not worry about their pride in those vehicles.

Yeah, but get rid of The Danica and there likely wouldn't be enough money for a 4 car team... maybe not even a 3 car team.

As or Marco, he seems well on his way to being the next Shiggy Hattori. IMO, Michael moved him up too fast. He looked pretty good in lower formulas. But Michael seemed so determined to have him in the IRL... even if it was before he was ready. Now he seems to be learning bad habits faster than good ones.

If Kanaan leaves at the end of the season, I predict a DEI style implosion at AGR. They'll have 2 drivers that still can't fully set up their own cars and another driver that they have to depend on his Formula Dream check clearing.

[Jag_Warrior]

So, where is the video showing Danica jumping into Marco's ****, oh yeah that's her Boss's Son !

Marco, the only male driver who could punch Danica (away from the cameras) and get away with it.

[Jason555]

AGR sucks......... Get rid of the son and the real weak link....... Danica

[Old3Fan]

Marco, the only male driver who could punch Danica (away from the cameras) and get away with it.
You forget that Marko is an Andretti and there is the rule in passing that if you hit an Andretti it is your fault and if an Andretti hits you it is your fault. As for Marko punching Danica, even though I have no respect.......none for her, Marko is a punk and Danica would probably deck him.... :)

[Phoenixent]

Yeah, but get rid of The Danica and there likely wouldn't be enough money for a 4 car team... maybe not even a 3 car team.

What money/Sponsorship did she bring to the team?

Her sponsor Motorola was with Michael in 2002 and has been present with AGR before she arrived.

[Jag_Warrior]

What money/Sponsorship did she bring to the team?

Her sponsor Motorola was with Michael in 2002 and has been present with AGR before she arrived.

I'm aware of that. But it's my understanding that the $21 million deal came about because of Danica.

[mlj]

[quote="Jag_Warrior"]Yeah, but get rid of The Danica and there likely wouldn't be enough money for a 4 car team... maybe not even a 3 car team.

So, isn't that a good thing? Unless of course the two cars would have Marco and Danica for the drivers.
What would be so bad about being a two car only team, maybe it would actually wake MA up to fill them with good drivers Do you think?

[Phoenixent]

I'm aware of that. But it's my understanding that the $21 million deal came about because of Danica.

I wonder what the amount was before the #7 car. Since they have been with AGR all that time. Also was 21 million dollar tag include Argent when she signed? What is the length of the contract with Motorola?

At any rate AGR is imploding this season. A season that they should have had control of since the end of last season. Hope TK gets a ride somewhere else maybe NHL. He does not need the drama from his teammates.

[FORMULA-A]

Since the broadcast itself was the SINGLE WORST race coverage I have ever witnessed I am loathe to quote them/it but...when I heard that horrible, nasal toned Brianne or whatever say that Danica "refused to let TK by.." I wanted to barf. Since when does the owner of anything get to be ignored completely and repeatedly, by an employee...two EMPLOYEES??? I have never been a DANICA fan but after that almost mowing down the GANASSI Team Pit thing and this incident today I am more disgusted then ever. I never liked BRAT-MARCO, BARCO either. I will agree with the poster who said that it sure doesn't show much respect or leadership on AGR.

[Hoop-98]

Just for the sake of discussion, her radio was out after lap 34. resume rants at your pleasure:

Danica Patrick, #7 Motorola Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was an interesting race. I lost radio communication with my crew around lap 34, which was very frustrating, so I just followed the cars in front of me. Thankfully I needed to pit when I followed the group in after the yellow. I am frustrated that I finished 18th because the Motorola car was capable of a top-10 finish. It would have been a great way to finish the weekend here in Edmonton."

Tony Kanaan, #11 Team 7-Eleven Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"I'm disappointed with our finish. The Team 7-Eleven/Frank's Energy Drink car was one of the three quickest cars on track. However, considering that we started last, we were able to gain positions and still get some important points. This is a very physical track but the fan support was great and I look forward to coming back next year."

Marco Andretti, #26 Blockbuster Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was a disappointing day for the Blockbuster team. It was a difficult race and not the finish we were looking for. There was tremendous fan support and this was a great event weekend so hopefully we'll have a better result next year."

rh

[Jag_Warrior]

I wonder what the amount was before the #7 car. Since they have been with AGR all that time. Also was 21 million dollar tag include Argent when she signed? What is the length of the contract with Motorola?

At any rate AGR is imploding this season. A season that they should have had control of since the end of last season. Hope TK gets a ride somewhere else maybe NHL. He does not need the drama from his teammates.

It was a 3 year deal signed for the 2007 season forward. Argent, XM and GoDaddy had deals too, but theirs were separate from Motorola's $7 million/year deal. I don't know for sure, but I would guess that the sponsorship coming into the team last year because of Patrick was close to $10 million... maybe more. Various outlets reported that Motorola was only coming back if AGR could land Patrick. Good driver or bad driver, sponsors are in it for the exposure - and Patrick certainly gets that.

I always liked Kanaan. I agree. I think he deserves better than the soap opera that AGR has become. And someone on his level shouldn't have to be setting up cars for lessers, week after week, season after season.

[harvick#1]

you got to wonder if Dario was thinking the same thing, I think hes glad that hes not putting up with this nonsense from teammates

[Easy Drifter]

A couple of posters have asked? that if TK was that much faster why didn't he just pass them. Well he was probably told that they had been told to let him by. He also being the good team player he is didn't want to risk a collision with his teamates(?).
After this mess and earlier similar situations I would doubt he will drive for AGR next year. I also doubt he will help those two again.

[FORMULA-A]

Just for the sake of discussion, her radio was out after lap 34. resume rants at your pleasure:

Danica Patrick, #7 Motorola Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was an interesting race. I lost radio communication with my crew around lap 34, which was very frustrating, so I just followed the cars in front of me. Thankfully I needed to pit when I followed the group in after the yellow. I am frustrated that I finished 18th because the Motorola car was capable of a top-10 finish. It would have been a great way to finish the weekend here in Edmonton."

Tony Kanaan, #11 Team 7-Eleven Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"I'm disappointed with our finish. The Team 7-Eleven/Frank's Energy Drink car was one of the three quickest cars on track. However, considering that we started last, we were able to gain positions and still get some important points. This is a very physical track but the fan support was great and I look forward to coming back next year."

Marco Andretti, #26 Blockbuster Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was a disappointing day for the Blockbuster team. It was a difficult race and not the finish we were looking for. There was tremendous fan support and this was a great event weekend so hopefully we'll have a better result next year."

rh

Her race strategist, Kyle Moyer, Didn't think so. I am also amazed and horrified at MARCO telling his team to SOD OFF...what was the quote stop telling me to let him pass or "..there will be big trouble"? WHew.

[fugariracing]

you got to wonder if Dario was thinking the same thing, I think hes glad that hes not putting up with this nonsense from teammates

i think he's not glad with the fact he is currently riding the sidelines...

[harvick#1]

hes gonna be running in the NWS in the 40 (as per ESPN), his jump start to Nascars top division is way too much to handle for an OW driver

[DavePI2]

Let's see, she says she just followed the cars in front of her. When does she do anything else besides being passed? She never passes anyone afterall.


david

[beachbum]

A couple of posters have asked? that if TK was that much faster why didn't he just pass them. Well he was probably told that they had been told to let him by. He also being the good team player he is didn't want to risk a collision with his teamates(?).
After this mess and earlier similar situations I would doubt he will drive for AGR next year. I also doubt he will help those two again.
I was thinking the same thing. TK was at least a second faster at that point in the race, but why risk passing your teammates, especially if a) they have been told to let you by and b) they are both notorious for blocking and changing lines.

Of course, Marco had no problem with another dive bomb move, and look how well that worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if TK was expecting something like that.

[bblocker68]

I wonder who Matos will replace on the team??

I love this stuff!

[MAX_THRUST]

Team sport!!! Not when Marcoand Danica are driving it seems. You do as your told or get sacked/disceplined. Lets hope Mikey has the guts to shout these two down in a trailer somewhere and teach them some respect and manners. Neither have earned the right to be so arrogant.

Feel sorry for TK, since Herta and Dario have gone, the team has slipped drastically.

Oh and Danica could only get a top ten if the rest of the field is racing California. Well done for your win in Japan, but you aint No Champion.

[Chris R]

I think Marco is in way over his head and Danica is average at best. The verdict is still out on Mutoh.

The team went from having 3 solid veterans (two of them being consistent and proven winners) to having one proven winner/veteran, one over=hyped media magnet with roughly average talent who might actually be a better driver if she focused more on driving and less on confrontation/media, one 3rd generation driver with questionable talent and attitude, and one rookie....

You also have to factor into that that Kanaan is good - but not THAT good - same as Franchitti and Herta - three above average (but not exceptional) drivers made the team work well - only one of them cannot support the mediocrity of the rest.....

I have never been an michael andretti fan and this may very well be karma catching up with him....

[SarahFan]

Kanaan
Wheldon
Herta
Franchitti

v

Kanaan
Patrick
Marco
Mutuh



*serios drop in Talent, experience and maturity....is it any wonder the team is struggling

[V12]

Agreed, to be honest I think the team would be much better off dumping Danica and trimming back to 2 cars for Kanaan and another proven winner (or genuinely talented youngster). I think as the likes of KV, Newman-Haas and the other ex Champ Car teams get up to speed, they may start to slip backwards.

Ironically I remember a few years ago AGR were the only team to make a stand against the whole Danica PR thing, think it was 2005 after she nearly fluked the win at Indy, I wonder what made them decide to sell out?

[Komahawk]

I'm against team orders. It's just not right. Penske didn't direct Helio around Briscoe at Mid-Ohio either, although it might've cost them the title.

Marco's move was just careless. He knows he can do much better than that. He just needs to recapture his '06 shape.
Danica has never been particularly strong on road courses.
I don't know what's going on at AGR behind the curtains, but I highly doubt Kanaan would leave just like that. Which other rides are available? At the end of the day, this team has won three of the the last four championships. Patience, and thngs will go your way.

[weeflyonthewall]

I'm aware of that. But it's my understanding that the $21 million deal came about because of Danica.

$21 milion? I had heard $7 million per year for 3 years.

[ChampUSfan]

Seems that agr only has two drivers that really deserve a ride with a good team, and they arn't danica and marco.


david

Totally agree

[ChampUSfan]

$21 milion? I had heard $7 million per year for 3 years.

3 X 7 = 21

[garyshell]

I'm against team orders. It's just not right. Penske didn't direct Helio around Briscoe at Mid-Ohio either, although it might've cost them the title.

There is a big difference between team orders when both cars involved are on the same pit strategy, and when they are diiferent. In this case they were very different and it is quite proper to tell a more fully loaded team mate to give way to one with much less fuel on board.

Gary

[garyshell]

$21 milion? I had heard $7 million per year for 3 years.


Uh, ya might want to break out a calculator there bud. Remember, never do math in public. <big ol' grin>

Gary

[Xylon]

Just for the sake of discussion, her radio was out after lap 34. resume rants at your pleasure:

Danica Patrick, #7 Motorola Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was an interesting race. I lost radio communication with my crew around lap 34, which was very frustrating, so I just followed the cars in front of me. Thankfully I needed to pit when I followed the group in after the yellow. I am frustrated that I finished 18th because the Motorola car was capable of a top-10 finish. It would have been a great way to finish the weekend here in Edmonton."

Tony Kanaan, #11 Team 7-Eleven Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"I'm disappointed with our finish. The Team 7-Eleven/Frank's Energy Drink car was one of the three quickest cars on track. However, considering that we started last, we were able to gain positions and still get some important points. This is a very physical track but the fan support was great and I look forward to coming back next year."

Marco Andretti, #26 Blockbuster Dallara/Honda/Firestone
"This was a disappointing day for the Blockbuster team. It was a difficult race and not the finish we were looking for. There was tremendous fan support and this was a great event weekend so hopefully we'll have a better result next year."

rh

Ha! Very nice. Diplomatic :)

[weeflyonthewall]

3 X 7 = 21


Uh, ya might want to break out a calculator there bud. Remember, never do math in public. <big ol' grin>

Gary

My point guys. Big difference between $21 m for one season versus $21 m over 3 or more.

[The instant classic]

My point guys. Big difference between $21 m for one season versus $21 m over 3 or more.
i wolud have to agree with you :up:

[DavePI2]

ken's comparison of teams from 05 to this year says it all.

david

[The instant classic]

lets just set this right TK is getting ***** over by AGR
half the team cant take there eyes off of danicas chest (if you know what i mean) and the other half thinks shes just a snot,,
for marco i heard on wind tunnel that the whole AGR team hates him, but you cant speak up to marco cuz hes Michael Andretti son, and you may get fired for that,
Hideki Mutoh, the AGR team needs to say every week to him Eigo ga wakarimasu ka? 'Do you understand English?"
AGR really needs that family feel again like they use too,
dont get me wrong i dont mind mutoh it just seems wierd that AGR wolud take him, but AGR is a mess right now, it woludnt shock me in the offseaon we see some big names moved around dan and tk still havent signed any deals yet something big could come

[gofastandwynn]

My point guys. Big difference between $21 m for one season versus $21 m over 3 or more.

I don't remember anyone saying it was $21 million a year, and when ever people talk about athlete contracts they talk about the total value

See:
Rodriguez finalizes $275M deal with Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153171&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)
Ovechkin, Capitals signs 13-year, $124 million contract extension (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3190712)

[Jag_Warrior]

My point guys. Big difference between $21 m for one season versus $21 m over 3 or more.

Uhh... OK. :D


It was a 3 year deal signed for the 2007 season forward. Argent, XM and GoDaddy had deals too, but theirs were separate from Motorola's $7 million/year deal. I don't know for sure, but I would guess that the sponsorship coming into the team last year because of Patrick was close to $10 million... maybe more. Various outlets reported that Motorola was only coming back if AGR could land Patrick. Good driver or bad driver, sponsors are in it for the exposure - and Patrick certainly gets that.

[gofastandwynn]

Her race strategist, Kyle Moyer, Didn't think so. I am also amazed and horrified at MARCO telling his team to SOD OFF...what was the quote stop telling me to let him pass or "..there will be big trouble"? WHew.

Moyer probably didn't know if she could hear hear them and not talk back (like PT's radio) or whether it went totally out.

It is good to see the true anti Danica contingent come out when they don't know weather Danica's radio was working (nor was there a Green & White car behind her) and you just all over her, yet Marco knows this and tell them to basically F-off then breaks the other cardinal rule and makes contact with a teammate and gets less flack (I don't see "Bosses' son refuses team orders to let Kaanan pass..")

[Jag_Warrior]

half the team cant take there eyes off of danicas chest (if you know what i mean)

Wouldn't that be like a kinky game of "Where's Waldo?"



dont get me wrong i dont mind mutoh it just seems wierd that AGR wolud take him, but AGR is a mess right now, it woludnt shock me in the offseaon we see some big names moved around dan and tk still havent signed any deals yet something big could come

From what little I've been able to find out about him, Mutoh seems pretty decent. Given his lack of experience, and that he probably gets less attention and hand-holding than either of the Terror Twins, he's doing better than just OK: he's 10 points ahead of Marco The Merciless, and only 10 points behind The Danica.

But if Mutoh goes Missing In Action at AGR, so does that Formula Dream (Honda) check = 3 car AGR team.

From what's been written, AGR has about three days to make nice with Kanaan. Maybe his options are limited (if he wants the fat check). But AGR's options might be limited too. What upper level driver would sign up to drive part time and babysit part time?

[The instant classic]

Wouldn't that be like a kinky game of "Where's Waldo?"




From what little I've been able to find out about him, Mutoh seems pretty decent. Given his lack of experience, and that he probably gets less attention and hand-holding than either of the Terror Twins, he's doing better than just OK: he's 10 points ahead of Marco The Merciless, and only 10 points behind The Danica.

But if Mutoh goes Missing In Action at AGR, so does that Formula Dream (Honda) check = 3 car AGR team.

From what's been written, AGR has about three days to make nice with Kanaan. Maybe his options are limited (if he wants the fat check). But AGR's options might be limited too. What upper level driver would sign up to drive part time and babysit part time?


yeah i dont mind mutoh he just seems like a werid pick for AGR,

TK i wolud agree that his options are limited, but i know many of you will not agree with me but, maybe penske sholud kick out ryan and put TK in the 6 car? or keep ryan and make a 3 car team?

its weird how AGR has always been knowing to play jokes and pranks on everyone, its funny now the big joke is played on them with this mess with danica and marco,its sad if TK leaves AGR who wolud want to join that mess?
like you said its like baby sitting, the only thing TK can do now is race for himself, and come year end think about what to do,

i really wolud love to see TK in a small team he he not get the big bucks, but it wolud be nice to see how well TK could do? and if he could race well with a small team, maybe then we could see the power teams not just be penske AGR and Ganassi,may bring a new light to the IRL but i dont see this happing :mark:

[Phoenixent]

It is good to see the true anti Danica contingent come out when they don't know weather Danica's radio was working (nor was there a Green & White car behind her)

Maybe she was sleeping when they rolled TK's car out with the new paint job of Blue and White. :D

Or Maybe the race bored you to sleep and you did not notice TK's car. :laugh:

[garyshell]

yeah i dont mind mutoh he just seems like a werid pick for AGR,


Wasn't he picked FOR them? By Honda?

Gary

[The instant classic]

Wasn't he picked FOR them? By Honda?

Gary
you got me on that one cuz i didnt really watch on how he got to AGR, i dont really go looking up news on racing, i like it better when someone tells me whats going on then we could have some talks about that, i get lazy and dont want to read racing news all day :s nore: thats why i like forum better you guys seem to find everything out first and let me know after, and befor comming here i use to have a "friend" who wolud let me know whats going on

[Jag_Warrior]

Wasn't he picked FOR them? By Honda?

Gary

I think when they opened the envelope that had the check in it, he jumped out.

The air holes should have tipped them off.

[The instant classic]

I think when they opened the envelope that had the check in it, he jumped out.

The air holes should have tipped them off.
i think maybe someone crack open a forune cookie and he jummp out :s hock:

[SoCalPVguy]

Yes reported that MA also refuses saying "if I hear one more time to pull over we're going to have abig problem"


(I don't see "Bosses' son refuses team orders to let Kaanan pass..")

I guess you missed that one at link http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128560
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[gofastandwynn]

Maybe she was sleeping when they rolled TK's car out with the new paint job of Blue and White. :D

Or Maybe the race bored you to sleep and you did not notice TK's car. :laugh:

That was my exactly point, it wasn't TK normal paint job so it would have been a lot harder for Danica (as well as other traffic) to recognize him coming up if she had no radio to tell her it was him. The green and white stands out a lot from other cars more than a sky blue & white when you are bouncing over airport tarmac at 160mph. The same thing happened to Corvette at Le Mans in 2003 when the changed paint jobs from yellow to dark blue and none of the GT cars said they recognized them as they were approaching

[MAX_THRUST]

conveniant excuse, but highly likely with non team members. But when some one is on the radio saying shift your butt Tony needs to pass.......well you let the guy go if your a team player. I think it shows alot more about the two drivers characters than it does their abillity. Both can drive an Indy car better than any of us on here, they just aren't as good as the top guys, but I remmebr when Tony was bashed for being not very good. Then he went tothe IRL and became a top driver........but that's another argument.

[ChampUSfan]

I don't remember anyone saying it was $21 million a year, and when ever people talk about athlete contracts they talk about the total value


I remember it was $7m per year but w/out all bonus or races winning