Official S2000 thread

[GMS]

Just trying to understand S2000 purchase costs.

I know RED in the UK are selling Gravel Ready Corolla for the FIA approved maximium of 168,000 Euro. Also I have been told that Fiat Sell the GP as a Tarmac car for 168,000 Euro then you have to pay a further 44,000 Euro to get a Gravel kit. Does anyone know the price structure for :

Peugeot 207
Volkswagon
Ford Fiesta

Any other cost/price info would be appreciated

[JAM]

Just trying to understand S2000 purchase costs.

I know RED in the UK are selling Gravel Ready Corolla for the FIA approved maximium of 168,000 Euro. Also I have been told that Fiat Sell the GP as a Tarmac car for 168,000 Euro then you have to pay a further 44,000 Euro to get a Gravel kit. Does anyone know the price structure for :

Peugeot 207
Volkswagon
Ford Fiesta

Any other cost/price info would be appreciated


Fiat is selling the Punto at Eur 168.000? I didn't know that... hard to believe.

[jparker]

How is the current gearbox-situation now? Only sadev allowed? This is not the first pug gearbox failure in my mind.

Initially only Sadev were allowed, but because of the reliability problems FIA authorized second vendor.

http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=210565&postcount=340

[eppel]

Car ready to run, tarmac version, in accordance with the FIA rules, without
registration, without standard car.
168 000 € HT

Car in tarmac version 2007 registed and assistance for building at PSP, training of the mecanichs and technicians of the team, shakedown on a circuit by a PSP pilot.
230 000 € HT

Car in gravel version 2007 registed and assistance for building at PSP, training of the mecanichs and technicians of the team, shakedown on a circuit by a PSP pilot.
245 000 € HT

Car in kit, tarmac version 2007, not painted, built in your place and by yourself. After an inspection by our staff (visit in charge of the customer) for validation, you will have the official documents for registration.
210 000 € HT

Car in kit, gracel version 2007, not painted, built in your place and by yourself. After an inspection by our staff (visit in charge of the customer) for validation, you will have the official documents for registration.
225 000 € HT

Kit conversion from tarmac to gravel.
40 000 € HT

Kit conversion from gravel to tarmac.
25 000 € HT

Space parts:
• Engine: 40 000 € / 45 000 €.
• Clutch: 1 400 €
• Gearbox: 24 500 €
• Rear diff. : 14 500 €
• Propshaft : 3 250 €
• Front driveshaft : 800 €
• Rear driveshaft : 950 €
• Body shell : 23 000 €
• Front bumper : 1 700 €
• Rear bumper : 400 €
• Tarmac hub carier assembly : 4 000 €
• Tarmac front shock absorber : 3 100 €
• Tarmac rear shock absorber : 3 100 €
• Gravel hub carier assembly : 4 200 €
• Gravel front shock absorber : 3 600 €
• Gravel rear shock absorber : 3 600 €
• Front subframe with arms: 5 200 €
• Rear subframe with arms : 5 300 €
• Steering rack : 2 000 €

[GMS]

Thanks Eppel, great breakdown of the Peugeot prices

[A.F.F.]

I just saw a Polish rally from TV last winter with Punto and Polo, also one Belgian rally with Fast-Freddy behind Polo wheel. :)

Excellent stuff :D :up:

[HaCo]

I just saw a Polish rally from TV last winter with Punto and Polo, also one Belgian rally with Fast-Freddy behind Polo wheel. :)

Excellent stuff :D :up:
Yep, in snow the polo did well too (fighting for victory), but got off the road if I remember well.

[Jarek Z]

I just saw a Polish rally from TV last winter with Punto and Polo, also one Belgian rally with Fast-Freddy behind Polo wheel. :)
Excellent stuff :D :up:

Wow! Are you referring to Magurski Rally?
http://www.rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc]=+DESC&modex=pokaz&T[id]=2075
Where did you see it???

[A.F.F.]

A channel called Urheilukanava send a program; Motor Sport Evening. That's where I saw it. The program follow a half a dozen motor sport events per show.

[Tom206wrc]

Livery of Alessandro Perico's 207 !! :p :

http://www.rallomanibresciani.it/img_07_test_perico.htm


He will drive that car on rally 1000 Miglia at the end of the week... ;)

[Donney]

That car looks good :up:

[1LM1]

Car ready to run, tarmac version, in accordance with the FIA rules, without
registration, without standard car.
168 000 € HT

Car in tarmac version 2007 registed and assistance for building at PSP, training of the mecanichs and technicians of the team, shakedown on a circuit by a PSP pilot.
230 000 € HT

Car in gravel version 2007 registed and assistance for building at PSP, training of the mecanichs and technicians of the team, shakedown on a circuit by a PSP pilot.
245 000 € HT

Car in kit, tarmac version 2007, not painted, built in your place and by yourself. After an inspection by our staff (visit in charge of the customer) for validation, you will have the official documents for registration.
210 000 € HT

Car in kit, gracel version 2007, not painted, built in your place and by yourself. After an inspection by our staff (visit in charge of the customer) for validation, you will have the official documents for registration.
225 000 € HT

Kit conversion from tarmac to gravel.
40 000 € HT

Kit conversion from gravel to tarmac.
25 000 € HT

Space parts:
• Engine: 40 000 € / 45 000 €.
• Clutch: 1 400 €
• Gearbox: 24 500 €
• Rear diff. : 14 500 €
• Propshaft : 3 250 €
• Front driveshaft : 800 €
• Rear driveshaft : 950 €
• Body shell : 23 000 €
• Front bumper : 1 700 €
• Rear bumper : 400 €
• Tarmac hub carier assembly : 4 000 €
• Tarmac front shock absorber : 3 100 €
• Tarmac rear shock absorber : 3 100 €
• Gravel hub carier assembly : 4 200 €
• Gravel front shock absorber : 3 600 €
• Gravel rear shock absorber : 3 600 €
• Front subframe with arms: 5 200 €
• Rear subframe with arms : 5 300 €
• Steering rack : 2 000 €

Interesting. Thanks Eppel.

[animrallye]

Peugeot 207 S2000 tarmac tests this week in South East of France, with Panizzi and Vouilloz...
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2271/pict0781cr8.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict0781cr8.jpg)

[Captain VXR]

http://www.rallomanibresciani.it/images/img_07_test_perico/DSC_0150.JPG
Alessandro Perico's 207 S2000 does look very good :s mokin:

[Tom206wrc]

The 207 Ojeda and Bouffier will drive on IRC under the Peugeot Spain livery !! :p :

http://www.rallyes.net/noticias/irc/peugeot_sport_espana_presenta_su_207_super2000.htm l

[Le NaRcX]

Vouilloz & Ojeda

[Tom206wrc]

Yes sorry... :mark:

[Sulland]

Here is a forum for IRC and S2000:

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum.asp?sid=11&boardid=13


The activity on this forum on S2000 defends the creation of a separate IRC/ S2000 subforum !!

[Sulland]

Here is a forum for IRC and S2000:

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum.asp?sid=11&boardid=13


The activity on this forum on S2000 defends the creation of a separate IRC/ S2000 subforum !!

This came out a bit wrong: I ment that the amount of activity on the thread here on this forum would defend an oun sub forum !!! :vader:

[Rally Hokkaido]

This came out a bit wrong: I ment that the amount of activity on the thread here on this forum would defend an oun sub forum !!! :vader:
No problem, Sulland. I understood your first message and agree.
Moderators, how about a sub forum for IRC, at least?

[JAM]

Here is the official IRC thread:

http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115426

[M5]

We are not talking threads, but sub forum.

S2000 and IRC is already spread all over he place:
WRC, ERC, asia and so on, I aggree with Sulland: much cleaner to collect everything in one sub-forum !

[DonJippo]

S2000 is a class like any other why it would need to have own subforum when there does not exist any for other classes either?

IRC...well if it's still existing after two years I'm surprised....

[Jarek Z]

There cannot be any subforum for S2000 cars. Do we have any subforum for group N and Super 1600 cars?

What do you mean about IRC Don Jippo?

[HaCo]

I think IRC/ERC should have same subforum... :)

[Viktory]

All this talk about sub-forums is what I would call in Swedish: "I-lands problem...." (translated roughly to "Problem for industrialized countries....")

[DonJippo]

What do you mean about IRC Don Jippo?

I don't think it will fly very long...three years max.

[Jarek Z]

Why do you think it will die so fast?

[Erki]

Because a quick and painless death is better that a slow and agonizing one?

(I'm pro IRC btw)

[A.F.F.]

I see IRC doing the valuable pioneer work for launching S2000 to the map. After it has succeeded and S2000 cars have taken over PWRC, I don't mind it dying.

[Maui J.]

I see IRC doing the valuable pioneer work for launching S2000 to the map. After it has succeeded and S2000 cars have taken over PWRC, I don't mind it dying.

I agree, and hopefully the FIA will take all the postitives and introduce them back into the WRC.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I say it is enjoyable, something new to watch and yeh...I'm with it, tho still love my WRC but want more cars less one make FIAT racing as in the first round and want more contenders.

[jparker]

From average european rally driver prospective IRC is a lot better then WRC. It's more tarmak, less travel around the globe, cheapper, and it's a good replacement of the ERC. If properly done IRC will have great success for many years to come.

[RS]

Citroen just signed up too: http://www.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=0&stid=6068

S2000 drivers can join PWRC if they want, but why bother? TV coverage should be better with IRC, and they fight for outright events wins too.

[Tom206wrc]

Excellent news for our swedish friends !!!! :up:


Jimmy Joge's 207 S2000 has been at last repaired(its gearbox broke during swedish rally WRC, and the car stayed long time at Peugeot-Sport garage) and he ran and won Lille Mats rallysprint last week-end !!! :bounce:

News read on http://www.norsk-rally.com


Does that mean he also has the 207 well in hands to offer its first swedish victory ?? :)

[Livewireshock]

For your curiosity, in Australian Motorsport News, the Fiesta S2000 cars competing on the second round, in West Australia, of the Australian Rally Championship have had mufflers fitted & now operated at a moderate noise level. While still having some development issues, they were setting top three stage times & finished 4th & 5th.

A reported noise level at the first round in Queensland was measured at 156db. I was there and it did sound awesome. Even while sitting at idle waiting for it's turn on the Super Special, it drowned out the two cars competing on the stage.

[A.F.F.]

Is there any possibility to get some video footage Livewireshock ? That would be so cool.

[Livewireshock]

Is there any possibility to get some video footage Livewireshock ? That would be so cool.

The footage I have, from the tv coverage, is for some reason without sound!!!!!!!!!!

There are some brief moments on Youtube placed by other forumers.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=neilh13&p=v

The videos of Guest & Stacey are of the Ford.

The Nambour showgrounds video, while the picture is terrible, camera way back from the action, you can clearly hear the difference between the Toyota Corolla S2000 & the Ford Fiesta S2000.

Basically the car was fitted with a straight through 3 inch exhaust from the Mountune engine with a bulge looking like a resonator at the rear. There was no baffling at all in place. It sent the co-driver hoarse trying to yell over the sound of the car.

[A.F.F.]

Thanks a lot Livewire. :up:

The quality wasn't the best but clear enough. :) This was the first time I saw some coverage of Fiesta S2000.

[JAM]

Thanks for the videos. The sound is amazing!! This is really rallying at the crazyest level :D I doubt that in Europe the car would be authorized to run with that sound... :dozey:

[Davide78]

I totally agree JAM!

Crazy sound, not at all allowed here in Europe...

[Livewireshock]

Just found out that the full rally coverage is available on http://rally.stanis.info but it is a big download at 696mb for the hour long show. Gives better information about the car & plus onboards.

It is a S1600 body & chassis from Italy with a new Mountune engine & the Sadev drivetrain. It was finished only the week before the rally. It is widely expected that officials looked the other way in regards to noise, so as to not embarrass Ford on their debut.

Even so, one Fiesta broke a driveshaft on the startline of Stage 1.

[HaCo]

The second rally they performed a lot better. They were even faster than the corolla Super 2000! But the corolla N4 was too fast, else they would have had a few scratch times...

This car should come to europe definatly, or they should directly build one based on the new fiesta:
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1649/fiesta15yv.jpg

[Erki]

Oh dear. That new Fiesta... :( Really, couldn't get any uglier... :( Sad sad sad sad...

[HaCo]

Oh dear. That new Fiesta... :( Really, couldn't get any uglier... :( Sad sad sad sad...

Erki,
New cars almost allways need a "get used to" period + this is just concept pic, not even sure its a photo..

And if it goes fast and its ford, its good for me :)

[Erki]

This could be true... At first the new Focus looked butt ugly to me but now it looks even 50% good... That Fiesta, on the other hand... *vomit*

[Livewireshock]

It is the same colour as vomit!

[Brother John]

:D The C4 will be uglie for ever!

[HaCo]

:D The C4 will be uglie for ever!


LOL :D :D :D

[Lousada]

That Ford reminds me of that brilliant Peugeot commercial were this Indian guy modifies his 206 by letting an elephant sit on it. This Fiesta looks like an elephant sat on it too. But at least the Indian had the presence of mind to drive it into a brick wall afterwards, which the Ford designers evidently missed.

[Erki]

That Australian Fiesta S2000 is a pure eye and ear candy. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! :lips:

[Tom206wrc]

Last week-end there were also two european events with S2000 cars ;)

Ralis da Calheta(Madeira - Portugal) has been won by Vitor Sà on a Fiat Grande Punto S2000 in front of the S1600 drivers...

Rally Targa Florio(Italy) has seen the participation of three S2000 drivers, but none won, and all had more or less puncture problems :(

Giandomenico Basso(Grande Punto) finished 2nd, Luca Rossetti (serious puncture on his 207) finished 3rd, and Alessandro Perico(207) suffered the worst puncture and finished 11th... :mark:

The coming week-end, three events are to follow with S2000 drivers ;)
The turkish round of IRC(Fiat Rally) with Andrea Navarra, Volkan Isik and Anton Allen driving Grande Punto S2000, Nicolas Vouilloz and Enrique-Garcia Ojeda driving 207 S2000...

Rali do FCP(Portugal) with the duel between José Pedro Fontes(Grande Punto S2000) and the championship leader and favourite Bruno Magalhaes(207 S2000)

The Rallye Terre de Provence(France) with the lonely S2000 driver Julien Pressac(207 S2000)...

[Donney]

That Fiesta sounds greeeeaaaaat!!!! :D I love it.

[HaCo]

New transmission for S2000:
http://www.turbomagazine.be/des_infos.asp?id=7395&back=1

http://www.turbomagazine.be/images/photosite/7395_Copie%20de%20Xtrac%20Rr%20Transm%20532-S2000.jpg
http://www.turbomagazine.be/images/photosite/7395_Copie%20de%20Xtrac%206%20gearbox%20532-S2000.jpg

[1LM1]

At last!
That's a good thing. Let's hope this one is reliable.

[Le NaRcX]

http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24968_var_2691_122_500lo.jpg

The last pic of new Fabia S2000.

[Peugeot206WRC]

Shame they use those cheese slicer wings (NFS style), IMO they dont look nice.
The car reminds me of some Suzuki or the not so good looking Mini, but it looks better then the Mini :D

[jparker]

Shame they use those cheese slicer wings (NFS style), IMO they dont look nice.
The car reminds me of some Suzuki or the not so good looking Mini, but it looks better then the Mini :D

So, what's the best looking S2000 car so far IYO? Pug 207? Or maybe VW?

[Sulland]

I like them all, but Fabia looks best so far, but that one is still not in final version.

Of available cars 207 and Abarth GP looks best - maybe just because I do not like silver cars like the Polo's I have seen so far. The toyota looks to close to a normal Corolla in my opinion.

[Peugeot206WRC]

So, what's the best looking S2000 car so far IYO? Pug 207? Or maybe VW?

Cant decide, Fiat, Skoda and Peugeot looking all awesome, except the wings :) .
Its just a trifle, but the WRC style wings looks sweeter with those wide bodykits, not these tiny NSF/fast n the furious wings used on street cars.

Another thing I miss on these cars are the turbo, they would be awesome as WRCars.
But yea, theres a reason they dont have, as we know :(

[GigiGalliNo1]

Though I can only speak Polish, can someone Jarek Z maybe, translate this Fabia S2000 article?

http://www.rallyonline.pl/index.php?1&modex=pnews&&s=11162

[Captain VXR]

The Fabia is amazing looking :s mokin:

[Mihai]

That Ford reminds me of that brilliant Peugeot commercial were this Indian guy modifies his 206 by letting an elephant sit on it. This Fiesta looks like an elephant sat on it too. But at least the Indian had the presence of mind to drive it into a brick wall afterwards, which the Ford designers evidently missed.

I remember that funny commercial. That Indian guy actually had a domestic Hindustan car, which he transformed into a 206 with the add of an elephant and shortening the bodywork by hitting the wall in reverse.

Personally, I dislike the fact that most modern World Rally Cars tend to have hatchback bodies (C4, Focus, Fabia etc.) instead of being based on family compact cars (Lancer, Impreza, Octavia, etc.).

[GigiGalliNo1]

Personally, I dislike the fact that most modern World Rally Cars tend to have hatchback bodies (C4, Focus, Fabia etc.) instead of being based on family compact cars (Lancer, Impreza, Octavia, etc.).

Indian commercial was top notch :D funny

but talking about car size, think its what will/would sell to the average joe as they would say. its all about what sells and who gets the money.

[A.F.F.]

From 2012 the machinery should be based on Group-n or S2000 with the difference that turbos are allowed.

Once again, good news for some of us, bad to others ;)

[DonJippo]

From 2012 the machinery should be based on Group-n or S2000 with the difference that turbos are allowed.

Think the difference will be a bit more than just the added turbo...