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VkmSpouge

12th July 2008, 16:23

Have BTC Racing said anything about why they are skipping Snetterton?

Qualifying Times:
1. Jason Plato SEAT 1m11.145
2. Darren Turner SEAT +0.122
3. Gordon Shedden Honda +0.491
4. Fabrizio Giovanardi Vauxhall +0.542
5. Tom Chilton Honda +0.569
6. Tom Onslow-Cole Vauxhall +0.643
7. Colin Turkington BMW +0.886
8. Steven Kane BMW +1.090
9. Adam Jones SEAT +1.094
10. Stephen Jelley BMW +1.215
11. Matt Neal Vauxhall +1.236
12. Mike Jordan Honda +1.288
13. Mat Jackson BMW +1.299
14. Andrew Jordan Honda +1.400
15. Rob Collard BMW +1.500
16. John George Honda +1.784
17. Harry Vaulkhard Chevrolet +2.200
18. Jason Hughes MG +2.432
19. Michael Doyle Honda +2.519
20. Martyn Bell Vauxhall +2.759
21. Erkut Kizilirmak Vauxhall +2.888
22. Alan Taylor Honda +3.482

SEATs all dominant at Snetterton, that diesel engine is just so superior to anything else on the track. Gordon Shedden the best of the rest. Matt Neal having a disappointing session down in 11th well behind both of his team mates. Mat Jackson's team deserve congratulations on getting their BMW fixed up in time for qualifying after a big crash in practice.

stevevxr

12th July 2008, 17:33

its been an interesting day !! vxr have had an up and down day!! good performance from gio again - had little time running in free practice due to car problems - i think he had an engine change by footage off 888 pit garage camera.. Matt neal had an off in practice and had to have a new intercooler and front bumper.. Tom O-C as been ok - thought he'd be more nearer the front though !! well done SEAT for a great qualifying performance !! but the question is can they do the same on race day ?? big pressure on SEAT this weekend !!

Gio for another win this weekend !!

VkmSpouge

12th July 2008, 17:40

big pressure on SEAT this weekend !!

Not much of that pressure is coming from the other teams considering the gap between them and SEATs :p :

murrayfan

12th July 2008, 18:33

btc racing not there this weekend due to money problems they tried to raise
the money for howell but ran of time. real shame!

stevevxr

12th July 2008, 19:27

Not much of that pressure is coming from the other teams considering the gap between them and SEATs :p :

With no succuss ballet on the SEATS it was expected !... Gio did bloody brilliant with max weight !! SEAT will probabley full apart again tomorrow !! :D

GIO FOR A WIN TOMORROW - PLATO ENDS UP DOING SOME PLOUGHING IN THE LOCAL FARMERS FIELD !!! :laugh:

Allyc85

12th July 2008, 21:39

Does anyone have the speed trap figures?

VkmSpouge

12th July 2008, 22:09

Just noticed that John George's time was actually very good. 1.784s off pole, George should be quite happy about that.

With no succuss ballet on the SEATS it was expected !

Darren Turner has no success ballast, Jason Plato has 18kg of weight. And yes, Giovanardi set a very good time considering his ballast.

Does anyone have the speed trap figures?

http://www.tsl-timing.com/toca/2008/82803trg.pdf

It shows that the SEATs were the fastest through the speed trap in sector 1 (surprise surprise). They were going through 1.8 and 1.5 mph faster than the next fastest (Giovanardi). Slowest is Alan Taylor who is 6.5mph slower through the trap than Darren Turner.

AndySpeed

12th July 2008, 22:10

Does anyone have the speed trap figures?

Yes, take a look in here: http://www.tsl-timing.com/toca/2008/82803trg.pdf

Sector 1:
1) Darren Turner, 141.0 mph
2) Jason Plato, 140.7 mph
3) Fabrizio Giovanardi, 139.2 mph

Finish Line:
1) Darren Turner, 115.7 mph
2) Jason Plato, 115.3 mph
3) Steven Kane, 113.7 mph

Allyc85

12th July 2008, 22:24

Cool, thanks for the info :D

I would have thought it Seats advantage be alot more than that, especially compared to the lower end of the grid.

VX_Rules

12th July 2008, 23:53

Im praying for rain.

AndySpeed

13th July 2008, 08:56

Im praying for rain.

Obviously you're not going to the circuit then...

I'm a little surprised that race 3 starts so late, perhaps due to squeezing in an extra SEAT race.

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 08:57

Qualifying Times:
1. Jason Plato SEAT 1m11.145
2. Darren Turner SEAT +0.122.

I knew SEAT had to have atleast one day this season where they were dominant - and this might just be it!! :beer: :D

Massive congratulations to Northern South, massive congratulations to Jase and massive congratulations to DT on creating a truly dominant team today instead of creating one that was just "competitive" or "good". Brilliant guys! Brilliant! :up:

Same however cannot be said when VXR do it. Everyone I think has a tendency to go into a meeting expexting them to be the dominant ones. That is also what makes SEAT's dominance yesterday so darn special.

Even if that team I so loyally follow were to never win a race again I know I can look back on this day, put my head up and say "That was the day when SEAT were truly dominant".

Fingers crossed for a similar race to qualifying.

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 12:34

http://www.tsl-timing.com/?loc=major&season=2008&series=BTCC&event=races&source=toca2006&eventid=82803&table=82803rc1trg&round=round06.gif&tabletype=gif

Nuff said about race 1. :D

MattL

13th July 2008, 12:43

Obviously you're not going to the circuit then...

I'm a little surprised that race 3 starts so late, perhaps due to squeezing in an extra SEAT race.

To fit TV schedule.

VkmSpouge

13th July 2008, 14:43

Good races so far, race 2 was more exciting than race 1 with plenty of incidents. SEATs all dominant, Jason Plato taking two very good victories that will improve his championship chances no end. Fabrizio Giovanardi's drive in race 2 was very good coming back from 14th to 3rd. The Motorbase BMWs have gone very well so far today, Rob Collard especially good in race two with a well deserved 4th place. Michael Doyle also had a good race mixing it with the midfield runners in his ageing Honda. Alan Taylor losing a wheel on the parade lap before race 1 was a bit sad, reminds me of Nick Leason back in 2006 at Silverstone.

With Gordon Shedden on pole for race three but with two BMWs directly behind him we might actually get a non-SEAT winning today.

Race 1 Result:
1. Jason Plato SEAT
2. Darren Turner SEAT
3. Tom Chilton Honda
4. Gordon Shedden Honda
5. Colin Turkington BMW
6. Tom Onslow-Cole Vauxhall
7. Fabrizio Giovanardi Vauxhall
8. Steven Kane BMW
9. Rob Collard BMW
10. Matt Neal Vauxhall
11. Mike Jordan Honda
12. Stephen Jelley BMW
13. Adam Jones SEAT
14. Harry Vaulkhard Chevrolet
15. Mat Jackson BMW
16. Jason Hughes MG
17. John George Honda
18. Erkut Kizilirmak Vauxhall
R. Andrew Jordan Honda
R. Michael Doyle Honda
R. Martyn Bell Vauxhall
NS. Alan Taylor Honda

Race 2 Result:
1. Jason Plato SEAT
2. Colin Turkington BMW
3. Fabrizio Giovanardi Vauxhall
4. Rob Collard BMW
5. Matt Neal Vauxhall
6. Steven Kane BMW
7. Mat Jackson BMW
8. Gordon Shedden Honda
9. Mike Jordan Honda
10. Adam Jones SEAT
11. Stephen Jelley BMW
12. Jason Hughes MG
13. Michael Doyle Honda
14. Tom Onslow-Cole Vauxhall
15. Tom Chilton Honda
16. John George Honda
17. Harry Vaulkhard Chevrolet
18. Martyn Bell Vauxhall
19. Darren Turner SEAT
R. Alan Taylor Honda
R. Erkut Kizilirmak Vauxhall
R. Andrew Jordan Honda

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 15:30

With Gordon Shedden on pole for race three but with two BMWs directly behind him we might actually get a non-SEAT winning today.

Don't know if I can really agree with that I am afraid.

Considering how much VXR tend to dominate compared to the tendancies for SEAT to dominate, even if SEAT were to get a hat-trick of wins today that would not reallu go far enough for me to emulate anything like VXR have achieved over the years on a season-by-season basis. VXR would, looking at the times VXR tend to appear over the course of a season on the podium over the last few years, surely still far outweigh SEAT.

I have serious doubts about how soon it will be before we see SEAT dominate in the fashion we are seeing today again.

MattL

13th July 2008, 15:42

Can Plato make it three out of three starting from eighth on the grid?...

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 18:20

Can Plato make it three out of three starting from eighth on the grid?...

Was it in any doubt that he wouldn't?

Perish the thought that SEAT may take that away. How dare they try to be as dominant as Vauxhall. The nerve. But it's OK everyone, you can all breath a huge sigh of relief. Normal service was quickly resumed as expected. Vauxhall are safely restored to their rightful place as the most dominant team in the BTCC and SEAT are back being the perenial challengers.

Vauxhall have had years of dominance and not a word has ever been uttered. SEAT win two in a row and everyone was up in arms from what I saw on ITV4, yet again based on them having the unfair advantage of the TDi.

Please. Someone tell me. What must it take for a domiance by SEAT to be accepted by the tintop community because as yet it ain't. And it's rapidly taking it's toll on my emotions.

stevevxr

13th July 2008, 18:31

stevevxr

13th July 2008, 18:32

LiamM

13th July 2008, 18:37

Did anyone else notice that Dave Bartum seemed to forget their participation in the 2006 season with Dave Pinkney in the interviews at the end of race 3?

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 18:46

Another good day at the office for VXR and Mr Giovanardi !! :) after a difficult day Saturday...

The 'TEAM' produce good results when required !! SEAT take note !!! two cars with the same problem is very poor !!! :D

Well done Motorbase !! great weekend for you guys...

But the final say is VAUXHALL on top yet again !!! bring on Oulton !! :s mokin:

Your smug arrogance is both shocking and unbelivable. :(

Why do you persist in rubbing my nose in it? How does it make you feel? And I am bracing myself for when you give the answer "happy" or "extatic".

Mind it is easy to think like you do when the BTCC is totally bias in favour of Vauxhall.

I am evil Homer

13th July 2008, 18:56

Maybe re-read your posts on Page 1....what goes around comes around i'm afraid. Counting chickens before they've hatched is never a good approach.

VX_Rules

13th July 2008, 19:48

I was there today, I love seeing all the SEAT boys get cocky, only to be let down by their team, it's a good laugh.
Even Erkut over took Turner :P

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 19:58

How can you compare my post to steveVXR's post I Am Evil Homer? :confused:

Maybe if you re-read the post you will clearly see the words I used clearly did not rub it in or to pervey a sense of smug superiority.

Massive congratulations to Northern South, massive congratulations to Jase and massive congratulations to DT on creating a truly dominant team today instead of creating one that was just "competitive" or "good". Brilliant guys! Brilliant! :up:

All that does surely is congratulate SEAT.

Same however cannot be said when VXR do it. Everyone I think has a tendency to go into a meeting expexting them to be the dominant ones. That is also what makes SEAT's dominance yesterday so darn special.

All I did here was to voice the view that the reason why the dominance of SEAT is so special is because VXR are expected to dominate. Something I think a lot of people are more used to seeing.

Even if that team I so loyally follow were to never win a race again I know I can look back on this day, put my head up and say "That was the day when SEAT were truly dominant".

Need I say more on that? Hardly the words of someone who has a tendancy to be a bit extreme. More of a person who is just simply so glad is ge that SEAT finally show the same brilliance that VXR has shown virtually for 8 years that even if they weren't to win again ever this would be considered and forever more the day everything came good.

SEATFreak

13th July 2008, 20:03

I was there today, I love seeing all the SEAT boys get cocky, only to be let down by their team, it's a good laugh.
Even Erkut over took Turner :P

When were SEAT being cocky?

What kind of things were they saying or doing that perveyed the sense they were being cocky?

Why does everyone seem to hate SEAT? Why do so many want to wish them to fail?

All I want is for SEAT to be accepted and respected. Not for everyone to hate them so much they must have a pathetic little dig and a cheap little laugh at them when things go tits up. Is that too much to ask?

AndySpeed

13th July 2008, 20:46

Did anyone else notice that Dave Bartum seemed to forget their participation in the 2006 season with Dave Pinkney in the interviews at the end of race 3?

Not only that, but even the official championship website, seems to have forgotten Mr Pinkney's third at Knockhill Round 23 2006 (http://www.btccaction.co.uk/results/2006/rd23.php).

BMW Dealer Team UK's Jackson led every lap to fend off fellow BMW driver Steven Kane who gave an ecstatic Motorbase team its first podium finish in the BTCC with second position.

VkmSpouge

13th July 2008, 22:22

Excellent day for Motorbase, six points finishes in six attempts. Best finish ever for the team, Steven Kane's first podium and he showed he had the pace to fight right at the front. I did get irritated by everyone on TV forgetting about Dave Pinkney's 3rd place at Knockhill in 2006 even if it was inherited after Darren Turner's disqualification.

Mat Jackson got another race win, he led well and never put a foot wrong.

MattL

13th July 2008, 23:22

Not only that, but even the official championship website, seems to have forgotten Mr Pinkney's third at Knockhill Round 23 2006 (http://www.btccaction.co.uk/results/2006/rd23.php).

Let's not get caught up in details - it was a great performance from Motorbase this weekend! They've worked hard to get the car to where it is now, and both Rob and Steven are now showing excellent pace!

mattlamb

14th July 2008, 06:19

Went to Snetterton. First BTCC meeting I have been to this season.
Must say that the SEATs do not sound like a racing car. That is sacrilege and their engine should be banned!
I don;t like SEAT I have to say. Why do they always have to run shotgun for Plato?! Turner taking the lead for one lap to get a point for leading a race is a joke. Made me laugh to see their problems in race three!

SEATFreak

14th July 2008, 08:06

I don't like SEAT I have to say.

You not alone. You and half the tintop fraternity.

Still, you prove my point. Is going and supporting a team worth the stick you may actually recieve for supporting them? I think not.

I would rather support no team at all than follow one that get's stick continually whenever they are sucessful or try to be.

I just don't see why SEAT just doesn't up sticks and leave the BTCC. Nobody likes them or wants them here.

Must say that the SEATs do not sound like a racing car. That is sacrilege and their engine should be banned!

I am starting to think that way to. Nobody want them to run it so why are SEAT running it? It would make far better sense for them to give and go back to petrol and stop all the hastle and stick they recieve.

If I was doing something you all didn't like me doing it I would stop it. Between achieving what I want to achieve by doing what I do and stopping the hastle and stick you give me I know what I would choose. Stopping hastle and stick is always better than achieving any greater goal.

Nobody deserves to recieve hastle and stick. I don't care who they are. I believe in working toward a world where live in peace and learn to respect and tollerate each other. Shame I am alone.

poole123

14th July 2008, 09:38

Great days racing yesterday, one of the great things about the BTCC is that there are great battles all the way down the order. Micky Doyle and Jason Hughes were close all weekend and provided some great close racing.

swedishsundays

14th July 2008, 13:33

AndySpeed

14th July 2008, 14:25

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned from yesterday's action was how close to the pack Vaulkhard got in the Chevy.

Shame the results didn't reflect the performance, I think the team took a good step forward!

Also, the SEAT team manager did kinda put the kiss of death on the team by saying that Plato could win R3, and that Turner could catch Plato!

Great win for Jackson in the final race, and a superb performance from Kane. What those performances all seem to prove is that Steven Jelley just can't cut it in the BTCC, all the BMWs had a good weekend, and yet again Jelley seems to just drop down the pack.

Vaulkhard had a good weekend, he's been close to the points several times this year already so Snetterton didn't appear as good in the end. But for a puncture in race 3(?) he would have been right up there.

I've brought up Jelley's results several meetings ago, but they still aren't really improving. Even though the following page is just a list of numbers, it's not as if there's been any real incident or problem prventing Stephen getting better results:
http://www.btccaction.co.uk/drivers/jelley_results.php

Stephen, I hope you find the sweet spot soon. Your team mate has 115 more points than you!

AndySpeed

14th July 2008, 14:27

You not alone. You and half the tintop fraternity.

SEAT Freak, I don't dislike SEAT. And, in my opinion, you're way off in your judgements of the support SEAT get from the fans and you're being a serious pessimist once more.

swedishsundays

14th July 2008, 14:53

That page of numbers says it all really, he's obviously got the same kit as Turkington but not the tin-top-talent.

They'd have been better sticking with the O-C!

Mind you, given the performance that Stefan Hodgetts put in the Carreras at Croft (also RWD!) you'd forgive Team RAC giving him a twirl!

VX_Rules

14th July 2008, 16:33

I never said i hate them, and i didn't make my post clear, i mean the Seat fan boys. No offence, but from my general impression to the people who support seat are horrible chavvy guys who are generally not very sharp people. These are the poeple who get big headed.

Seat as a team and Plato as a driver come across i find very slimey (the only word i can think at this moment to describe them as). I find them not very easy to trust. Almost as if the yellow should have a Trotters Trading logo on it.

That van might be more relaible though, and sound better too. lol.

Mp3 Astra

14th July 2008, 18:03

Another good day at the office for VXR and Mr Giovanardi !! :) after a difficult day Saturday...

The 'TEAM' produce good results when required !! SEAT take note !!! two cars with the same problem is very poor !!! :D

Well done Motorbase !! great weekend for you guys...

But the final say is VAUXHALL on top yet again !!! bring on Oulton !! :s mokin:

I'm really starting to think you're some kind of propaganda robot for Vauxhall. It's actually starting to scare me...

Anyway, it was a pretty okay weekend of racing - haven't seen it on the TV yet, but I quite enjoyed it anyway. The whole SEAT problem was pretty strange, but I guess that's what happens when you build the cars to exactly the same standards every time.

VkmSpouge

14th July 2008, 18:28

Adam Jones has been disqualified from race 3 after his car was found to be underweight, it promotes Stephen Jelley to 8th, Rob Collard to 9th and John George to 10th scoring his first championship point of the year. Considering all the problems he had early on in the day, George must be very happy.

SEATFreak

14th July 2008, 19:03

I'm really starting to think you're some kind of propaganda robot for Vauxhall. It's actually starting to scare me....

Couldn't have put it better myself!! :up:

johngeorge

14th July 2008, 20:38

yes i would say very happy , for once i qualified well , almost a second faster than last year and only 4ths off Andrew Jordan so that went well for a change , and then to finish ultimatly with a tenth thats a better way to move into the second half of the season , so very happy thanks . Big crowd at Snetterton this year and good weather what a great weekend.

Just wondering if anyone has heard if F1 is off to BBC will BTCC go back to proper ITV next year

John

reidy_fan

14th July 2008, 20:47

nice one John, got my JAG teamwear delivered today, good quality stuff. cheers to your PR man for advertising it on the btcc.net forums

johngeorge

14th July 2008, 21:01

thanks yes it is ok quality we did a bit of a mid way bet on quality versus cost , if you get chance take a look at the team jag website the guys have been working on it and they could do with some feedback on how it looks and feels to use its on http://www.jagteam.jagstores.com the web designer has he address on there.

John

poole123

15th July 2008, 17:23

Hi John well done on 10th place at snetterton. the one thing i would like to change with the TV coverage is to show more of the midfield battles such as yourself, vaukhard and hughes etc. if this happened would it bring in more sponsorhip for teams like your own?.

VkmSpouge

15th July 2008, 18:42

I hope you score more points in the second half of the year, John.

Martin-MC

15th July 2008, 19:42

Went to Snett for first time to a race meeting at the weekend. Ive been before but to rallys there so new experiance.
First comment nice track(knew that anyway) but from an onsite speccy what a crap place to watch, if you were not in place by god knows what time you only had limited viewing at the major points of interest.
As for all the Seat dominate rubbish well if they couldnt win at Snett then they may as well not bother the track is totally geared to the car or should I say the engine. Watched from first corner and saw cars enter main straight, one of the Vauxhalls was right up one of the Seat bumper on exit but within 300 yards the Seats 1 if not 2 car lengths ahead all by turbo boost.
But the main man even full of weight still bagged good points. Never thought id support a foriegn driver ahead of a load of Brits but when you are up close and see Gio on the limit hes the man.

MBailey06

15th July 2008, 21:37

I know this isn't particularly significant, but a shout out to Stephen Jelley because for the first time this season, in the 3rd race at Snetterton his fastest lap was quicker than Colin's.

AndySpeed

15th July 2008, 22:47

I know this isn't particularly significant, but a shout out to Stephen Jelley because for the first time this season, in the 3rd race at Snetterton his fastest lap was quicker than Colin's.

Astute observation, that.

cazvxr

15th July 2008, 22:52

Would just like to say a HUGE "well done " to Micky Doyle.Out for all 3 races. Race 1 not so good but race 2 and 3 were good results.During race 2 the team was so alive the noise at times in the garage was amazing,im bias ,i know,but it was good.Sometimes the best racing comes from midfield.Gerry,your boy did good and well done the happy team!

mattie007

16th July 2008, 18:21

As I currently support the underdog (until MG come back ;-) ), I would love to see more midfield action on TV. The Chevvy, MG, Integra, Civic and Sport Hatches do seem to have some great battles.
Trouble is, with races only lasting 20 minutes I suppose they haven't got the time.
One more observation, doesn't Jason Hughes in his 'trusty' MG have the best finishing record this season?

AndySpeed

16th July 2008, 18:25

One more observation, doesn't Jason Hughes in his 'trusty' MG have the best finishing record this season?

Actually, no. Fabrizio Giovanardi has not yet failed to finish a race, and neither has Colin Turkington, although he has been nearly last (Round 1).

Jason Hughes does have 17/18 finishes though! Croft Round 15 was his omission... can't remember why.