Kimi "Out of Order" on Grid

[Mysterious Rock]

I found this on YouTube, I thought it was a bit harsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJSq8uaV9g&NR=1

[gravity]

Looks like that photographer was invading his private bubble. Poor dude is trying to get ready for a race in tricky conditions and has some stranger standing over his personal gear, shoving a camera into his face.
I feel for the 'superstars' who have to put up with the press...

[Juppe]

The photgrapher got too close and I think he was using a flash. Nobody wants to have flash that close to one's face let alone when preparing for start - would be nice to see those traffic lights. ;)

[Mysterious Rock]

I agree as to why he may have done it homwever do you not feel that as a professional he should have handled it differently?

[Henry Cutts]

I don’t have a problem with what Kimi did. The photographer should have given him some space.

[gravity]

He is a quick thinker, 'ol KR. He prob had it worked out... calculated the options... then chose to make it look spontaneous. I reckon he could have opted for the more sensational "headbutt you with my helmet still on" routine.

[TMorel]

Dear Juan Pablo, we're very sorry for having criticised you for your indiscretions in the past. We now realise that it's perfectly allowable to behave like a thug.

Hugs 'n' pushes.

[Daniel]

Haven't seen the video but I know from my time taking photos at WRC events that there are times when you can take photos and get up close with drivers and there are times when you can't.

[Dave B]

Same with me at BTCC events: the drivers give a huge amount of time to the media but sometimes you have to accept that their at work and respect their space. I've been on the receiving end of a barrage of obscenities from a driver who'd just walked back into the pits following a crash, but who was right as rain over a cold beer later that afternoon. You soon learn when to leave well alone, and although Kimi should have handled the situation better it's hard to blame him for reacting the way he did.

[Daniel]

Same with me at BTCC events: the drivers give a huge amount of time to the media but sometimes you have to accept that their at work and respect their space. I've been on the receiving end of a barrage of obscenities from a driver who'd just walked back into the pits following a crash, but who was right as rain over a cold beer later that afternoon. You soon learn when to leave well alone, and although Kimi should have handled the situation better it's hard to blame him for reacting the way he did.

I think that's part of what makes a good motosport journalist. Brundle is good in this respect. As a driver you can see that he knows when to barge in and have a chat and when to leave a driver well alone.

Another thing which will get you in trouble is trying to take pictures of sensitive car bits. At Rally Australia in 2005 Ford were doing all the service work for their Focii in 4 sided tents. Yours truly had heard there was something interesting with the rear suspension on the Focus and stuf his camera underneath the car when it reversed out of the tent only to get pushed over by a Ford mechanic :p

[Knock-on]

Same with me at BTCC events: the drivers give a huge amount of time to the media but sometimes you have to accept that their at work and respect their space. I've been on the receiving end of a barrage of obscenities from a driver who'd just walked back into the pits following a crash, but who was right as rain over a cold beer later that afternoon. You soon learn when to leave well alone, and although Kimi should have handled the situation better it's hard to blame him for reacting the way he did.

Wouldn't be Matt or Jason would it :D

The video has been removed by Der Fuhrer so cannot see it.

However, I imagine it was someone sticking a camera where it shouldn't be and Kimi pushing it away. Too bloody right I say. When he's in the car, he's out of bounds, not out of order.

[ioan]

However, I imagine it was someone sticking a camera where it shouldn't be and Kimi pushing it away. Too bloody right I say. When he's in the car, he's out of bounds, not out of order.

Well if you can call a photograph landing on his back 1 meter away from where he was = "pushing" the camera away, then you are right! :D

[TMorel]

the cameraman simply spun in the wet conditions.

Kimi in no way attacled him, but was infact valiantly putting his hands up to try and grab the cameraman to stop him from flying off the track... what a hero

[ioan]

the cameraman simply spun in the wet conditions.

Kimi in no way attacled him, but was infact valiantly putting his hands up to try and grab the cameraman to stop him from flying off the track... what a hero

:rotflmao:
Good one! :up:

[Daniel]

:rotflmao:
Good one! :up:
Now for the thread saying "Should the photographer have been black flagged" :rolleyes: Now I've got nothing against the photographer in question......

[HenryM]

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9720/raikkonen1lgbv8.jpg

[Giuseppe F1]

Is somebody able to explain here EXACTLY what happened as I have no clue and Uncle Bernies has now renmoved that YouTube clip?

Was this incident picked up on the UK ITV tv feed does anyone know?

Thanks in advance guys

[HenryM]

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJuJFy1OxA

[GP-M3]

Here's a slightly more interesting one, with some English commentary at the end:

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=pY89QoWLL98

[Zico]

Simple, he stepped on Kimi's gear (driving gloves etc) as Kimi tried to protect/grab his kit the photographer banged his helmet with his zoom lense, flashed him right in the face as he took a step backwards and fell over the small fence. Comedy moment, nothing more.

[TMorel]

From the other footage which has now gone it looked like the photographer was standing the other side of Kimi's kit bag and there seemed a big gap between the lense and kimi's helmet.
From the clips that are left I can't see his gloves on the floor (would bit silly to leave them on a wet track anyway) and I can't see any fence to fall over.

Anyone got any stills of the gloves and fence?

[ten-tenths]

sick em kimi! sick em!

[SGWilko]

Here's a slightly more interesting one, with some English commentary at the end:

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=pY89QoWLL98

Some other Schumacher vids on their - interesting one of Schumi exiting his pit and wiping out one of the Jags.

[Knock-on]

Well if you can call a photograph landing on his back 1 meter away from where he was = "pushing" the camera away, then you are right! :D

Well, I've managed to see the clip now and don't have a problem with it. The photographer should have watched his feet. He's there to record the event, not get in the way.

[Knock-on]

Now for the thread saying "Should the photographer have been black flagged" :rolleyes: Now I've got nothing against the photographer in question......


Daniel. One of your more intelligent posts :up:

I should imagine normal service will soon be resumed :)

[AJP]

You just don't need to get that close to any body if your holding a camera...full stop. The photographer standing on Kimi's gear was obviously an accident, and Kimi could have reacted differently, but I'm not against what he did at all..

[ArrowsFA1]

I hadn't realised the photographer was Paul-Henri Cahier. He's released a statement about the incident on his website:

Following the incident involving Kimi Raikkonen and Paul-Henri Cahier on the starting grid of the British Grand Prix in Silverstone, that saw the finnish driver assault the photographer, we decided that it was necessary to clarify a few points.
There never was any contact between the two men, nor did Paul-Henri ever touch Kimi's equipment. Furthermore, the distance at which Paul-Henri Cahier was taking a picture, although close, was completely standard. The photographers who take pictures at Grand Prix races are all professionnals who have been accredited by the FIA, and as the dozen other photographers who were standing next to Paul-Henri Cahier prove, there was nothing unusual or unethical about this situation.
Finally, Paul-Henri Cahier has been an F1 photographer for almost fourty years and has been close to the greatest champions, but none of them has ever behaved in such a rude manner. It is understandable that drivers might get irritable because of the pressure they undergo, but Kimi Raikkonen never even attempted to express his discontent in a non violent way. Paul-Henri Cahier luckily did not suffer any injury, and so does not intend to take any action, but he regrets the arrogance with which Kimi Raikkonen treated someone who was merely doing his job.
http://www.f1-photo.com/

[SGWilko]

I hadn't realised the photographer was Paul-Henri Cahier. He's released a statement about the incident on his website:

http://www.f1-photo.com/

I remember Muddly Talker assaulted Mansell once....... ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC_Q5EZKTkc

[MrJan]

I think that's part of what makes a good motosport journalist. Brundle is good in this respect. As a driver you can see that he knows when to barge in and have a chat and when to leave a driver well alone.

:up: Pezza doing the MotoGP is the same, apparently asks before hand if the rider minds.

Photgrapher deserved it really, must be a pain when you are trying to get ready. The bloke was about 1 foot away which is actually really close.

[ArrowsFA1]

It is rather funny that the sympathy is with Kimi in this case, and yet with the Montoya/camera encounter we know where many thought the blame rested then, and heaven knows the bru-ha-ha there would have been had this been Lewis, and not Kimi.

It's a funny old world :p

[Daniel]

:up: Pezza doing the MotoGP is the same, apparently asks before hand if the rider minds.

Photgrapher deserved it really, must be a pain when you are trying to get ready. The bloke was about 1 foot away which is actually really close.
Yup. You can see from the photo that he was right up in his face. I've had some good closeup photos of drivers but always from the right angle :)

[Knock-on]

It's a funny old world :p

Tis indeen my old friend. Tis indeed ;)

I've found that the people accusing others of being Fanboys, haters etc tend to be the ones with no objectivity in these matters while real fans will call an issue on merit (well, most of the time anyway. Occassionally a bit of bias is bound to creep in) :laugh:

[janneppi]

If there really wasn't any prvocation (intentional or unintentional)It was a bit of a brain fart from Kimi. That said, I don't the cameraman should be that close anyway.

[gloomyDAY]

I got a chuckle out of that footage.

Inappropriate? Sure. Great for the sport? Indeed.

[gloomyDAY]

Now, here (http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nm0e0LA5c) is footage worth arguing over.

Does getting knocked in the head constitute a butt kicking?

[Knock-on]

Now, here (http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nm0e0LA5c) is footage worth arguing over.

Does getting knocked in the head constitute a butt kicking?

PML.

"No Juan, NO!! Easy Tiger, sit, siiiittt. Stay :D "

[Daniel]

Now, here (http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nm0e0LA5c) is footage worth arguing over.

Does getting knocked in the head constitute a butt kicking?
You would be pissed if someone broke your head! :p

[Dave B]

Wouldn't be Matt or Jason would it :D
May have been one of them, yes. ;) Maybe after a coming together with Anthony Reid. Maybe after I'd sprinted (yes, sprinted!) the whole length of the Silverstone pit lane to grab a word, and practically had to sprint all the way back just to keep up with him!

[ioan]

It is rather funny that the sympathy is with Kimi in this case, and yet with the Montoya/camera encounter we know where many thought the blame rested then, and heaven knows the bru-ha-ha there would have been had this been Lewis, and not Kimi.

It's a funny old world :p

I tend to agree with you, being rude or aggressive without trying another route first isn't a positive behavior.

Let's see if Kimi has something to say about the incident.

[AJP]

You just don't need to get that close to any body if your holding a camera...full stop. The photographer standing on Kimi's gear was obviously an accident, and Kimi could have reacted differently, but I'm not against what he did at all..

Ok...it is now said that he didn't step on Kimi's gear, then this is a bit of a brain fart (as janneppi said) by Kimi. I still think that the photographer, and other photographers we're too close...you just don't need to get that close, especially with the variety of lenses these guys carry..

[ArrowsFA1]

Ok...it is now said that he didn't step on Kimi's gear, then this is a bit of a brain fart (as janneppi said) by Kimi. I still think that the photographer, and other photographers we're too close...you just don't need to get that close, especially with the variety of lenses these guys carry..
According to the photographer - highly respected, been doing the job for 40yrs - he was doing nothing different to what he or any of the photographers normally do.

Kimi overreacted IMHO.

[gravity]

Did someone change their story? One of the other camera men (who was standing there) said that the photographer did stand on Kimi's gear.

[Juppe]

My opinion is (whatever its worth) that yes, Kimi overreacted, and I think he would think so too afterwards.

However, the "personal bubble" over here in Finland is very large compared to many other countries and that a reflex is to push people away, if they invade your private area. Kimi may not have noticed the photographer and all of a sudden he was inches away with his camera and Kimi pushed without thinking.

I still expect that Kimi should apologize for the photographer and I expect him to do so. It would be nice, if the cameraman, in turn, admitted that he was too damn close - especially for a Finn.

Cheers :)

[TMorel]

But then Kimi should have known that in England, due to the fact we are constantly standing in queues, we don't have a similar concept of personal bubble.

Although I still think it's 60-40 with Kimi slightly more to blame, I think both parties need to appologise.

Kimi should know not to upset the press though. What if Mr.Cahier decides to take it personally and starts selling photos to the News of the World of Kimi having an early night or leaving a nightclub on his own and sober... it could ruin Kimi's reputation!

[Knock-on]

May have been one of them, yes. ;) Maybe after a coming together with Anthony Reid. Maybe after I'd sprinted (yes, sprinted!) the whole length of the Silverstone pit lane to grab a word, and practically had to sprint all the way back just to keep up with him!

You :laugh: Sprinting :laugh:

:p :

[Dave B]

T'was a few years ago you cheeky beggar. Mind you, even back then I sprinted at a speed which only just beats continental drift. :(

[Easy Drifter]

Anyone actually been on the grid waiting for their race to start. I have and the only people I wanted to talk to or be near were my crew or other drivers and sometimes their crew. However, you had to put up with it, but if someone stepped on my gear and shot off a camera in my face without warning they probably would have had a real close up of a fist.
Imagine what A.J. Foyt would have done!!!

[jas123f1]

I still expect that Kimi should apologize for the photographer and I expect him to do so. It would be nice, if the cameraman, in turn, admitted that he was too damn close - especially for a Finn.
Cheers :)

If there had been a half meter more between Paul-Henri Cahier and Kimi it should be quite difficult if not impossible for Kimi to push him at all. But however it was unnecessary to do it and on other side Cahier was in imbalance and should in normal case not fall down that easy. A storm in a teacup, I should say.. :)

[Jimbo Mc]

If Lewis had done what kimi did he would get at least a 1 race ban or grid penalty. Ive always thought of kimi as the absolute quickest over one lap but he's gone down in my estimation the same as alonso did last year. You dont push someone like that unless your an idiot.

[Zico]

If Lewis had done what kimi did he would get at least a 1 race ban or grid penalty. Ive always thought of kimi as the absolute quickest over one lap but he's gone down in my estimation the same as alonso did last year. You dont push someone like that unless your an idiot.

Drivers are not machines.. Ok, he raised his hands but unprofessional or not, they are human just like the rest of us... and all of us do things we often later regret. I know I have.. Haven't you?
If Cahier hadnt FALLEN over the issue wouldnt even have been thought about, as Jas says.. Storm in a nano sized teacup.

[Drew]

Looks like somebody from Formula One Management is a member / reader of the forums ;)

[Jimbo Mc]

Fair enough but you'll never be a 'great' if you act like that. And no, we dont all do things like that. Kimi should have kept it inside and then he may have driven a decent race............

[Zico]

Fair enough but you'll never be a 'great' if you act like that. And no, we dont all do things like that. Kimi should have kept it inside and then he may have driven a decent race............

In that case I guess your a better man than me. I suppose it depends on what your opinion of a 'great' is... I consider Senna to be one of the 'greats' in terms of driving skill... and he was certainly a very volatile character.
Unlike Fellipe I dont think Kimi drove a particularly bad race, he made the best of his car/set-up and his teams boobo in very difficult conditions.

[Jimbo Mc]

Yes Zico, I agree that the best ever drivers like senna can be volatile. Lewis will probably turn out the same eventually. Was just gutted to see someone I admire so much act like that.

[Knock-on]

Yes Zico, I agree that the best ever drivers like senna can be volatile. Lewis will probably turn out the same eventually. Was just gutted to see someone I admire so much act like that.

Come on Jimbo, cut him a bit of slack.

It probably looked a lot worse than it was. Kimi was getting ready and the photographer was in danger of stepping all over his equipment. It looked more a case of "Hey, watch it" rather than a deliberate push.

No bid drama :D

[SGWilko]

I think this is all a bit of a weather front in a drinking receptacle.