Offical Uddeholm Swedish Rally Thread.

[Bruno Portela]

Stupid radio reporter!!! Now that our portuguese driver Armindo Araujo is arriving at the ss end, he is leaving!!! +#+$?!*º#%

[GigiGalliNo1]

Story about Tyres and Galli on home page wrc.com :)

[Corny]

I respect P.Solberg for still joining the WRC

[Perra71]

Bruno:
They just interviewed Araujo on swedish radio and he said he was very happy and was having very fun!

[GigiGalliNo1]

I respect P.Solberg for still joining the WRC

As in from the begining many years back or this? :S

[Bruno Portela]

Bruno:
They just interviewed Araujo on swedish radio and he said he was very happy and was having very fun!


Thanks Perra71. I can imagine the fun he's having.

His main goal in Sweden is to collect some point for the PWRC, and fight for the podium in the other events, so that in the end he can claim the crown!!!!!

[Bruno Portela]

We all hope that he can manage a WRC for the portuguese event, although it would be his first time in a WRC (he made a short test in a Focus last year), he sure could perform better than Matthew and the Munchis Fords.

[A.F.F.]

Sorry Bruno. There can be only one with the crown and that is reserved for Sohlberg, Hänninen or Alen ;)

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Antón Alen really fast!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

interviews on now

[GigiGalliNo1]

"Today is um i'm not really happy i couldn't i'm a little bit scared and i couldn't and i'm fighting with my self, i don't have (the) flow/rhythm and there is something now. I'm certain to do some experience and i have to reset everything. The first one today (stage) was good, after i had a spin, i lost a few seconds, after that we did the last one, we had a puncture after 10k's and we kept (continued) a little bit easy."

-You must be a bit encouraged from yesterdays performance?

"It was nice, start a little slowly (today) but we are here, this is important!"

-He's 19th position right now.

[jonas_mcrae]

good morning what time is SS11?

[Perra71]

11:12 swedish time

[jonas_mcrae]

thanks

[GigiGalliNo1]

4mins till stage :)

[A.F.F.]

While there's a couple of minutes spare, can someone give the link to official rally Sweden page :)

[Perra71]

http://www.swerally.se

[A.F.F.]

Tack ska du ha Perra.

[Bruno Portela]

Sorry Bruno. There can be only one with the crown and that is reserved for Sohlberg, Hänninen or Alen ;)

In November we will talk about that!!! .

Just wait and you will see him perform!!!! Let him go to tarmac and gravel / mud. In Portugal 2001 what a performance he made with a small Saxo, just ask Markko Martin, who was with me in SS Arganil 2, as Araujo went by.

This rally is quite difficult for Araujo. He began to drive on snow last weekend. Alen's tarmac experience is quite huge compared to Araujo's snow/ice experience.

But you are right, Alen is a future champion, Hanninen mayby, but Sohlberg ..... he already had his chance

[Corny]

In November we will talk about that!!! .

Just wait and you will see him perform!!!! Let him go to tarmac and gravel / mud. In Portugal 2001 what a performance he made with a small Saxo, just ask Markko Martin, who was with me in SS Arganil 2, as Araujo went by.

This rally is quite difficult for Araujo. He began to drive on snow last weekend. Alen's tarmac experience is quite huge compared to Araujo's snow/ice experience.

But you are right, Alen is a future champion, Hanninen mayby, but Sohlberg ..... he already had his chance

How old is Sohlberg?

[GigiGalliNo1]

hey guys, I have to go to work!! :(

well it's not work, just going to club to take photos and get paid for! How easy is life! Anyone want to send me an SMS of how Gigi is going from the rest of the nite? I'm in Australia or anyone else or happy to send me 5 sms's internatioanly? :D after each stage and some commentary?

[Bruno Portela]

How old is Sohlberg?

He's quite old, he's 28 (The same age I am)!!!! :) :) :) :)

[Corny]

He's old, he's 28 (Thesame age I am)!!!! :) :) :) :)
Then I think he can still come on top of rallying.. Marcus was late with shining also

[GigiGalliNo1]

anyone?

hey guys, I have to go to work!!

well it's not work, just going to club to take photos and get paid for! How easy is life! Anyone want to send me an SMS of how Gigi is going from the rest of the nite? I'm in Australia or anyone else or happy to send me 5 sms's internatioanly? after each stage and some commentary?

[A.F.F.]

He's quite old, he's 28 (The same age I am)!!!! :) :) :) :)

ALERT !!!! Age racism. Age racism.

28 is not OLD :D

[Bruno Portela]

ALERT !!!! Age racism. Age racism.

28 is not OLD :D

:) :) :)

[Josti]

But you are right, Alen is a future champion, Hanninen mayby, but Sohlberg ..... he already had his chance

When did Sohlberg had his chance? He had none with Mitsu in '04, as with the private cars he has driven. Put him in a proper car and I think he can surprise one and another.

[GigiGalliNo1]

thanks anyways

via GIGI!!!!

[Bruno Portela]

When did Sohlberg had his chance? He had no chance with Mitsu in '04, as with the private cars he has driven. Put him in a proper car and I think he can surprise one and another.


I mentioned that reffering to the Mitsubishi works drive.

[Mauri A]

Then I think he can still come on top of rallying.. Marcus was late with shining also
Well, Kristian´s father Kari won the Arctic Rally in 1965 and took part also this year. His co-driver was Markku Alén´s former co-driver Ilkka Kivimäki!
So, things can happen.

[A.F.F.]

I have to agree with Josti. Kristian has never had a decent chance to prove himself.

Then again, nor has many other drivers :mark:

[Peugeot206WRC]

Flodin didnt have a good stage :(

[Perra71]

Unfortunately talent is not everything you need to get a shot at the big time.
The business side of things is probably more important than talent!

[A.F.F.]

Mikko and Toni challenge Henning. This ought to be interesting :bounce:

[jonas_mcrae]

henning going down to 4th i think

[WRC2006]

Morning Guys,

Sorry I am so lazy still sleeping, what is new now? Is the top 3 Guys still flying?

[jonas_mcrae]

good run for garde

[A.F.F.]

Marcus attack maximum as well :up:

[Finni]

Grönholm is going crazy..

[A.F.F.]

Morning Guys,

Sorry I am so lazy still sleeping, what is new now? Is the top 3 Guys still flying?


No. Petter made a nest in the ditch.

[Perra71]

Marcus pushing like h**l

[A.F.F.]

Loeb on the other hand slower than Garde. Marcus doesn't want to take this battle to tomorrow. Go Marcus !!!!!!

[WRC2006]

No. Petter made a nest in the ditch.

Thank you mate. His mistake again?

[J.Lindstroem]

Marcus Grönholm going really though!

[WRC2006]

But Marcus is flying?!!! This man is crazy really!!!!

[Corny]

I hope it's not too fast..

[jonas_mcrae]

I hope it's not too fast..

indeed

[KKS]

+20 sec in overall :( betwen Seb and Gro, Seb lost posible 1st position on rally Sweden?

[Finni]

Huh! At last...

[Corny]

I'm so happy Marcus finished this stage :D

something else, 2 years ago Marcus said he hated some stage on day 2, he lost around 10 seconds on Solberg by then.. Someone knows which stage that is?

[Perra71]

SS12 is now live!

[WRC2006]

[quote=".. Someone knows which stage that is?[/QUOTE"]

ES 11 Torntorp 2 (19,21 km)

[Corny]

ES 11 Torntorp 2 (19,21 km)

He should love this stage now :D

[Mauri A]

Marcus sure sounded like under pressure after the last stage, thats for sure!
The pressure is now under his right foot.

[WRC2006]

He should love this stage now :D

You are right, he is flying really. Who can stop him now? He want to finish the business by today so tomorrow he will be relaxing.

[jonas_mcrae]

is garde 5th? after ss11?

[janneppi]

Loeb didn't like his tyre choice, Bosse was worried about his tyres after this stage, as usual. :)

[WRC2006]

The pressure is now under his right foot.

Lovely!!!! Haaaaaa!!!

[WRC2006]

But Loeb is the best in choosing the tires, but you can't be correct every time

[Corny]

Loeb the best in choosing tyres? I think BFG is the best in choosing tyres (for Loeb)

[jonas_mcrae]

great fight between garde henning and hirvo

[Perra71]

Corny:
The final decision on what tyre to choose is Loebs!

[Woodeye]

Made Loeb a mistake on SS11 or why did he lost some much time to Marcus?

[WRC2006]

Corny:
The final decision on what tyre to choose is Loebs!

Why is always Petter claim then wrong tires choice? It is his fault then?

[WRC2006]

Loeb the best in choosing tyres? I think BFG is the best in choosing tyres (for Loeb)


Maybe there is a truth here. Or they make a litle bit special tires for him than others and he has a competitive advantage to others?!

[A.F.F.]

Mikko also pushing like Paris hilton with paparazzis behind her.

[Perra71]

Yes, it is!
They discuss a lot with BF goodrich what tire to choose but in the end the driver makes the choice.

[Peugeot206WRC]

alen gone
hes svedlund passed him on stage

left front tyre gone it seems

[Perra71]

Svedlund passed Anton Alen in the forest on SS11

[Finni]

something else, 2 years ago Marcus said he hated some stage on day 2, he lost around 10 seconds on Solberg by then.. Someone knows which stage that is?

It was not Torntorp despite that somebody said so. It was Vargasen. Marcus felt that 307 was impossible drive in those roads. Last year with the Focus he was again normal in that stage.

[WRC2006]

And I think he has also the best Weather team who give him the correct information about the weather and the state of the road.

[Corny]

Yes, it is!
They discuss a lot with BF goodrich what tire to choose but in the end the driver makes the choice.

Then Loeb will get better advise?

[Tomi]

Yes, it is!
They discuss a lot with BF goodrich what tire to choose but in the end the driver makes the choice.

Thats true, BF Goodrich gives advises, but the final desition is the drivers.

[Perra71]

WRC2006:
Of course they don´t have a special tyre for Loeb.
That would be a big scandal and probably against regulations to!

[WRC2006]

It was not Torntorp despite that somebody said so. It was Vargasen. Marcus felt that 307 was impossible drive in those roads. Last year with the Focus he was again normal in that stage.

I said the Torntorp as the ES11 not the stage you are referencing here. Sorry I thaught someone was asking only the name of the ES 11.

[A.F.F.]

Loeb striking back. Fastest plit so far but what is Marcus' answer.....?

[J.Lindstroem]

Problems for Stohl?

[Corny]

WRC2006:
Of course they don´t have a special tyre for Loeb.
That would be a big scandal and probably against regulations to!

You think a French FIA will even think about searching out if Loeb gets other tyres?..

But for sure Loeb will not get better tyres..

[Perra71]

Good time from Carlsson :)

[jonkka]

What's with Stohl? No time...

[jonkka]

WRC2006:
Of course they don´t have a special tyre for Loeb.
That would be a big scandal and probably against regulations to!

What regulations? All men are equal? :eek:

[Woodeye]

Why is Petter so slow at the moment?

[Perra71]

13:37,5 for Stohl is the time

[WRC2006]

WRC2006:
Of course they don´t have a special tyre for Loeb.
That would be a big scandal and probably against regulations to!

Who knows? You are right it would be against the regulations but in this business I know everything is possible.

Xsara never had any technical problem like others cars. Now the C4 is loking like in good shape and for all the season. I suspect something really with Loeb and Citroen.

I agree Loeb is the best driver and more intelligent than the rest. But the car?!

[Perra71]

WRC2006:
Citroen know how to build reliable rallycars thats all.
And I think that the other teams would take note if BF Goodrich had a pile of tyres especially for Sebastian ;)

[jonkka]

Who knows? You are right it would be against the regulations but in this business I know everything is possible.

Again, which regulations? Where is it said that tyre supplier must supply same tyres to all? It's about commercial agreements between supplier and the teams and until control tyre regs come into effect, rules have nothing about equal treatment.

[A.F.F.]

Mikko wants to make it clear that third place on podium is his alone.

[Perra71]

Jonkka:
I don´t know if it is against regulations or not but if I managed a rallyteam and our tiresupplier gave better tires to our competitors I would look for tires elsewhere!

[jonkka]

Three '06 Focus' on top four at the moment...

[jonkka]

Jonkka:
I don´t know if it is against regulations or not but if I managed a rallyteam and our tiresupplier gave better tires to our competitors I would look for tires elsewhere!

Exactly! And hence no need to regulate.

[Corny]

Then again, how can Ford check if Citroën gets other tyres?

[Perra71]

Exactly! And hence no need to regulate.

You are probably right there, but I think that BF Goodrich would like to sell their tires to as many teams as possible and to give better tires to certain teams would not help them sell tires!

[Peugeot206WRC]

Loeb says he picked wrong tires.

[Tomi]

Then again it's the same for BF Goodrich who wins as long the winner is on their tyres.

[WRC2006]

Again, which regulations? Where is it said that tyre supplier must supply same tyres to all? It's about commercial agreements between supplier and the teams and until control tyre regs come into effect, rules have nothing about equal treatment.

Think about 2008 already!!

[A.F.F.]

Sohlberg and Alen hand in hand, Hänninen a few seconds faster. Svedlund dropping away.

[A.F.F.]

:eek: I just noticed I have missed Alen's misfortune in last stage.

Oscar Svedlund is indeed third at the moment in PWRC, not Alen.

[Peugeot206WRC]

:eek: I just noticed I have missed Alen's misfortune in last stage.

Oscar Svedlund is indeed third at the moment in PWRC, not Alen.

Sad for Alen and Svedlund, he said it was fun fighting with him.

[Camelopard]

Again, which regulations? Where is it said that tyre supplier must supply same tyres to all? It's about commercial agreements between supplier and the teams and until control tyre regs come into effect, rules have nothing about equal treatment.

Exactly, I really doubt if all the tyres are the same for each team. Goodrich is Michelin under a different name..., but I'm a cynic!!!!!!!!

[Camelopard]

Exactly! And hence no need to regulate.

And who would they turn to? Pirelli? I don't think any other tyre manufacturer would be interested in getting involved at this level.

[Camelopard]

You are probably right there, but I think that BF Goodrich would like to sell their tires to as many teams as possible and to give better tires to certain teams would not help them sell tires!

Who supplies tyres to new Citroen cars as they come of the production line? Same with Ford, I'd be interested to know, new cars must be a huge market for the tyre makers, not just the replacement tyre business.

[Peugeot206WRC]

Anyone know when slowson will improve?

He gets beaten by Osteberg and Flodin and they dont have that big experience as slowson got and really not the great car as slowson has.
Also, first time ever Flodin is driving a wrc car.

Anyone know anything about what they talked about in the service park, someone said its the last year slowson will have this drive.

[WRC2006]

Exactly, I really doubt if all the tyres are the same for each team. Goodrich is Michelin under a different name..., but I'm a cynic!!!!!!!!

The tires can't be the same. Do you remember when one tire have been stolen in rally Japan 2005?! From the team Citroen if I am not mistaken.

But it was a big problem. Maybe someone here gonna say they was wondering about the copy of the tire by Pirelli. But I am not convinced totally about that. Maybe they were wondering about their secret to be revelated.

And the team can't get the same tires totally as the Michelin or another tire supply make the tires particularly according to the chassis and the weight of the car.

For example : Now the New Subaru 07 removed some 30 kgs on their new car to make it a bit light and fit with the new tires (Michelin). So do you tell me that Subaru is receiving the same tires like C4 or Focus? Don't think so.

Maybe in general all the tires are the same but each team will receive particular tires according to their car and test they did.

[WRC2006]

And who would they turn to? Pirelli? I don't think any other tyre manufacturer would be interested in getting involved at this level.

Maybe Bridgeston as he will be the sole supply in F1 this season.

[ST205GT4]

Good steady drive from Atkinson so far. About as good as can be expected considering the number of locals around. He may make it to 6th but I don't expect any better than that unless there is an accident or mechanical in front of him.

[janneppi]

Good steady drive from Atkinson so far. About as good as can be expected considering the number of locals around.
There's only one local ahead of him, all others are regular WRC drivers. ;)
Solid drive though for Atko. :up:

[WRC2006]

Chris is doing well and I am sure if he would have a reliable car he could alredy be challenging with Hivron and Sordo. But it is promissing.

[Mauri A]

Chris is doing well and I am sure if he would have a reliable car he could alredy be challenging with Hivron and Sordo. But it is promissing.
Are the finnish names really that difficult? I´ve been wondering that for many years when reading about Khankkunnen, Raikkonnen, Letho, Makhinnen and so on. Hivron was something new, if you meant Hirvonen.

[WRC2006]

Are the finnish names really that difficult? I´ve been wondering that for many years when reading about Khankkunnen, Raikkonnen, Letho, Makhinnen and so on. Hivron was something new, if you meant Hirvonen.

Haaaa!!! I meant Hirvonen man!! But I dind,t discover that always I make a mistake in writing his name like : Hivronen instead of Hirvonen!!!

[WRC2006]

Petter may be leaving now the Swedish Rally for Norway Rally.

Anyone heared about that already?

[Peugeot206WRC]

Petter may be leaving now the Swedish Rally for Norway Rally.

Anyone heared about that already?

Yes, Subaru decided to pull him out of the rally :(

[Mauri A]

Yes, Subaru decided to pull him out of the rally :(
But starting practising this early is illegal!

[WRC2006]

Yes, Subaru decided to pull him out of the rally :(

So can we say that this may be one of the disadvantages of the "Paired Rally System"?

The Subaru decided to pull him out maybe in other to save the car, tires and engine. If this was not a paired rally, he would stay competing untill the end of the rally. ****

[Peugeot206WRC]

But starting practising this early is illegal!

haha what do you mean...

[WRC2006]

Do you think that Petter will finish on Podium in Norway Rally?

Because the Team Manager said the decision is just to offer more chances to Petter to finish on Podium on his Local Rally next week.

[Helstar]

Hi all I'm back (what a luck eh =)

Petter :S this Subaru seems everything but reliable, I don't think he'll be able to do something good in his home event, unfortunately.

[Helstar]

Meanwhile nice battle for the disappointed of the rally:
14 D. SORDO +6:43.4
15 G. GALLI +6:52.5

And the fight for the "I'm not the slower" cup too =)
16 M. WILSON +7:02.0
17 L. PEREZ COMPANC +7:30.9

[J4MIE]

This is one disadvantage of the pairing system but then there's no chance of him scoring points. If he hadn't lost so much time in the ditch then it might have been a different story...

I'm sure Petter will be really going for it in Norway as he will want to win. He showed early on that he does have the pace but maybe needs to stop making mistakes...

But the rally is over now. Marcus will drive to the splits for the rest of the event, and has a big enough gap that he doesn't have to push 100% if he's not got the right tyres.

Well done Marcus. Now just keep it going for Norway and take it easy in Mexico and avoid retirements which is where it all went wrong last year.

[Mauri A]

Do you think that Petter will finish on Podium in Norway Rally?

Because the Team Manager said the decision is just to offer more chances to Petter to finish on Podium on his Local Rally next week.
He might, if he now gets a fake beard and moustaches, road sweeper´s uniform and starts practising with an old Lada!

[WRC2006]

The ES13 started already

[Tomi]

He might, if he now gets a fake beard and moustaches, road sweeper´s uniform and starts practising with an old Lada!

Like galli a few years back in sweden :)

[Mauri A]

Like galli a few years back in sweden :)
Like all the Finns in sixties and seventiens in Finland.

[Tomi]

Like all the Finns in sixties and seventiens in Finland.
whatkind was there recce regulations in sixties and seventiens?

[jonkka]

Like all the Finns in sixties and seventiens in Finland.

Bearded and in Ladas?

[Woodeye]

Bearded and in Ladas?


So basically not much has changed since...

[Tomi]

So basically not much has changed since...

only the skibox on the roof is progress.

[jonkka]

only the skibox on the roof is progress.

Is it, really?

[padWRC]

wrong tires for Stohl!

[padWRC]

H SOLBERG 0.5 faster than Hirvonen

[J4MIE]

You Finns crack me up :laugh:

[padWRC]

Bosse fights back!

[swordsman]

Live video coverage on Swedish Rally website, http://www.swedishrally.com

[WRC2006]

Even first than Loeb in 4

[White Sauron]

Loeb gave up...

[WRC2006]

He is loosing so much from Marcus then?

[J4MIE]

Live video coverage on Swedish Rally website, http://www.swedishrally.com

Can you post the direct link to the video please? :)

[Perra71]

Thanks Swordsman :)
Livestreaming, how cool is that!!!!

[J4MIE]

It's ok, I see it ;) :p :

[padWRC]

1 2 3 for Ford!!!

[JCarlosPP]

Thanks Swordsman :)
Livestreaming, how cool is that!!!!

Not so cool if your ISP is Slow as **** :( :mad:

[Mauri A]

whatkind was there recce regulations in sixties and seventiens?
This for the 1000 Lakes:
Until -67 no recce, the stages were secret, but practically the competitors knew the route, because we had to ask permission to close the roads, and the documents published by the authorities were not secret.
In the seventies route was published 2-3 weeks prior to the rally, but because there was a speed limit of 60 kph on the stages, the competitors wanted to start practising earlier. It was then called practising, not recce. The speed limit was controlled by radar traps. I was there often, but nobody was catched. The drivers followed our moves very keenly!

[Perra71]

Hopefully in a few years you can watch the whole rally LIVE on your computer!
Just the thought of that makes my pants feel a bit tight :)

[WRC2006]

1 2 3 for Ford!!!

Those 3 drivers are the expert of the snow we have to agree even the car is better also

[White Sauron]

Wow! Wilson is even slower than Alen! How is it possible?!!

[Halvis]

Great stage for Henning again, really showing what he is capable of on snow and ice! I think it is fantastic, especially when you take into consideration that he has tested the car on snow only 50 km! I'm impressed, and really looking forward to next weekend, where he will have an advantage of knowing some of the stages.

He still has a chance for a podium in Sweden, just one small mistake from especially Hirvonen, and he will be there!

Also very good from Østberg, I think, 9th now, just behind Carlsson in an "old" Subaru.

[Tomi]

This for the 1000 Lakes:
Until -67 no recce, the stages were secret, but practically the competitors knew the route, because we had to ask permission to close the roads, and the documents published by the authorities were not secret.
In the seventies route was published 2-3 weeks prior to the rally, but because there was a speed limit of 60 kph on the stages, the competitors wanted to start practising earlier. It was then called practising, not recce. The speed limit was controlled by radar traps. I was there often, but nobody was catched. The drivers followed our moves very keenly!

thank's Mauri, I have been talking to a few of the top guy's from that time about the practising, interesting methods some used, like instead of driving long stages many times, they spiltted the stage to shorter parts and after 10-15 runs they moved forward.

[WRC2006]

Hirvonen has to keep Henning behind him and no room for error now.

[White Sauron]

Wilson must order Henning not to push Hirvonen so that Ford can equal Citroen in the standings.

[SubaruNorway]

No way il kick arse if he does :D

[WRC2006]

Wilson must order Henning not to push Hirvonen so that Ford can equal Citroen in the standings.

That is right. I would do the same if I were Wilson.

[Lousada]

Does Carlsson score manu points?

[Helstar]

Really nice the live coverage ...

[WRC2006]

Maybe in M2

[Erki]

Is it, really?

Higher CoG?

[Erki]

Jonsson had a good stage. +9.8

[White Sauron]

Does Carlsson score manu points?

Yes he does. But there's no more difference between m1 and M2...

[Halvis]

Wilson must order Henning not to push Hirvonen so that Ford can equal Citroen in the standings.

Been thinking about the same, is Henning allowed to pass Hirvonen if he can? I haven't read anything about this scenario anywhere...

[WRC2006]

Yes he does. But there's no more difference between m1 and M2...

Do you mean now Ford has more chances to win Manufacturer championship as Henning may be scoring points now?

[Perra71]

I don´t expect Henning to pass Mikko.
Don´t think he´s allowed even if they wont say it!

[Tomi]

Been thinking about the same, is Henning allowed to pass Hirvonen if he can? I haven't read anything about this scenario anywhere...

i dont think he is allowed

[Mauri A]

He still has a chance for a podium in Sweden, just one small mistake from especially Hirvonen, and he will be there!


I hope you do not hope that!

[Woodeye]

i dont think he is allowed

Even if he was allowed, could he pass him?

[SubaruNorway]

Team orders aren't alowed but it's impossible to now there are ore not in this situation

[WRC2006]

I think Henning can't challenge Hivronen as both they can make mistake in fighting between them. Now it is time to keep behind all the rest of the Guys here

[harriswrc]

Jonsson had a good stage. +9.8No he hadn't...He retired so the time is due to superrally rules.

[Tomi]

Even if he was allowed, could he pass him?

not in this life :)

[WRC2006]

Team orders aren't alowed but it's impossible to now there are ore not in this situation

What do you mean?

[Halvis]

I hope you do not hope that!

Absolutely not, but it's a well known fact of rallying - on small mistake and you can loose it. I was simply stating a fact.

What I do hope, is that Henning doesn't get ordered to slow down!

[WRC2006]

not in this life :)

Haaaaaa!!!! Where then?!

[Tomi]

Haaaaaa!!!! Where then?!

maybe in halvis wet dreams

[jonkka]

What do you mean?

I think his meaning in english is:
Team orders are not allowed but it's impossible to know if in this situation there are one or not

And that is true.

[Perra71]

If I was Henning and his sponsors who paid like 25million NOK for this season I would be mad to not be able to beat the worksguys in a situation like this.
But i´m sure theres an agreement in the contract somewhere :(

[Mauri A]

Absolutely not, but it's a well known fact of rallying - on small mistake and you can loose it. I was simply stating a fact.

What I do hope, is that Henning doesn't get ordered to slow down!

Obiviously we have same hopes, no team orders. But as you say about stating a fact, team orders in rallying are a fact.

[ZequeArgentina]

Have you noticed that today times for Kpecky in teh Skoda are geting quite better. Lasta 4 SS he was more in the speed of Latvala, and faster than Flodin, Otsberg, and so on. HE has learnt quick and going much faster.

[Perra71]

Maybe Mr.Wilson tells Henning that the next round in Norway is free of charge!
If I don´t remember wrong it has happened before in Sweden with Ford offering freebies?

[janneppi]

Has Garde started the stage?

[Tomi]

Not many years ago in Sweden Tuohino had to let 2 pieces McRae pass him so that colin got points.

[jonkka]

Something funny at first split now...

[Mauri A]

Henning´s first split, team orders so soon? Is Malcolm reading our posts?

[Perra71]

Tomi:
That´s what I was thinking about and I think that Touhino got something in favour but I can´t remember what though!

[WRC2006]

I think his meaning in english is:
Team orders are not allowed but it's impossible to know if in this situation there are one or not

And that is true.

I don't agree with this.

In Motorsport Saloon at Birmingham (UK), in his interview, Wilson said : "...during this season, Marcus and Hirvonen will be fighting between them, but in some rallies Hirvonen will be asked to finish first the rally and score maximum points for the team....."

So what do you think is the meaning of that? Not team orders?

[Erki]

No he hadn't...He retired so the time is due to superrally rules.

Yeah, just noticed that +5:00.00, stupid stupidrally. :rolleyes:

[White Sauron]

Is Mikko so fast or Henning and Gardi so slow?

[Tomi]

Tomi:
That´s what I was thinking about and I think that Touhino got something in favour but I can´t remember what though!

a car for greece and tyres, if i remember right.

[Woodeye]

hm... no need for team orders I see. Henning is really slow in first split.

[Erki]

Depends on what is a team order. Is a team principal saying "Push!" an order or not?

[WRC2006]

Henning´s first split, team orders so soon? Is Malcolm reading our posts?

I am doing the job for him as he is busy now in what startegies to adopt now?!!! Haaaaaaa!!!! (Joking!!!)

[WRC2006]

hm... no need for team orders I see. Henning is really slow in first split.

Already he received the order to step down

[WRC2006]

Depends on what is a team order. Is a team principal saying "Push!" an order or not?

If it is not an order, why tell him to push?

[jonkka]

I don't agree with this.

In Motorsport Saloon at Birmingham (UK), in his interview, Wilson said : "...during this season, Marcus and Hirvonen will be fighting between them, but in some rallies Hirvonen will be asked to finish first the rally and score maximum points for the team....."

So what do you think is the meaning of that? Not team orders?

Lesson nr 1: never believe anything team managers say. If they don't outright lie, they aren't telling whole truth.

It would be wonderful if there weren't team orders in any sense but since this is marketing effort, teams will make sure that no points are squandered by their 2nd drivers. 1st drivers usually do whatever they please, team manager or no.

[Finni]

Garde has some major problems.

[Perra71]

Henning recieved teamorders, no doubt :(

[janneppi]

I thought i heard radio people mentioning gearbox problem for Garde before stage.

[Mauri A]

I don't agree with this.

In Motorsport Saloon at Birmingham (UK), in his interview, Wilson said : "...during this season, Marcus and Hirvonen will be fighting between them, but in some rallies Hirvonen will be asked to finish first the rally and score maximum points for the team....."

So what do you think is the meaning of that? Not team orders?
In Finland we have a saying "If you eat somebody´s bread, you sing his songs"

[Perra71]

I take back that, somethings happened.
Garde is slow to :(

[White Sauron]

Poor Gardi...

[WRC2006]

Lesson nr2 : this is the marketing business. And in marketing strategies you have to take decisions in what to do or not.

Lesson nr 3 : In marketing business there is "Push" and "Pull" method.

[jonkka]

WRC lessons time? :eek:

[ZequeArgentina]

I sadi that Kopecky was gaining speed. Well he now passed Flodin and Otsberg

[Halvis]

Either Henning has had a small off or stalled at start, intentionally or not, because he is almost exactly as fast as Mikko the rest of the stage...

[WRC2006]

In Finland we have a saying "If you eat somebody´s bread, you sing his songs"

Haaaaaa!!!!!! I didn't know that I am singing the Wilson's song now!!!

[janneppi]

Henning said he was blinded by sun in some crest and spun. :)

Garde lost front drive shaft and had to drive the car only RWD

[jonas_mcrae]

oh no garde, he was having such a good rally

[Tomi]

henning got the sun in his eyes and did drive wrong

[jonas_mcrae]

at least he finished the stage

[KKS]

-1 min.... garde :( you lost this rally

[White Sauron]

WRC lessons time? :eek:

Yeah... Rallying is not a chess game. There you have to think.

[ZequeArgentina]

sorry double post.

[ZequeArgentina]

Sordo and Galli both extremely slow, what is up? it is not just playing safe

[SubaruNorway]

How is that possible when they was changin the tyres

[Perra71]

I was wondering about Galli to, that off yesterday must really have put a dent in his confidence, to bad :(

[WRC2006]

I was wondering about Galli to, that off yesterday must really have put a dent in his confidence, to bad :(

He has to hire Henning's Doctor now.

[jonas_mcrae]

oh no garde 8th

[SubaruNorway]

Garde has some skills to loose only 1min with RWD Sordo better have som problems ore else he is beaten by a RWD car :D

[Erki]

My bet is that Galli and Sordo just simply don't care anymore and in their minds they are already in Norway.

[Tomi]

galli has some problems with the car

[WRC2006]

Sordo push when he is in contact with the top 3 positions, when it is not like that, he doesn't care. And he has to learn how to driver on ice and snow now.

[Woodeye]

My bet is that Galli and Sordo just simply don't care anymore and in their minds they are already in Norway.

Too bad that their cars are still in Sweden. And they are sitting in those cars. ;)

[Mauri A]

My bet is that Galli and Sordo just simply don't care anymore and in their minds they are already in Norway.
To have one´s mind in Norway! HUHUH.

[Perra71]

If you don´t care when you drive a car that expensive and a team that big than you need a realitycheck so I really don´t believe that.
Talking about Sordo of course.

[ZequeArgentina]

Haninen got the lead for the points in PWRC (Ketomaki is leading gr N, but not for the points).
Good fight in PWRC!!!!

[Mauri A]

Haninen got the lead for the points in PWRC (Ketomaki is leading gr N, but not for the points).
Good fight in PWRC!!!!
Who´s Haninen?

[WRC2006]

Too bad that their cars are still in Sweden. And they are sitting in those cars. ;)

haaaaaa!!!!!

[Erki]

These guys are really battling it out. :eek: I just hope they won't bin it... :eek:

14 L. PEREZ COMPANC +9:18.7
15 M. WILSON +9:18.8

[Jaanus]

I honestly think Luis Perez Companc has actually made progres in the last year and is getting faster with every rally. Unfortunetly I can't say the same about Wilson.

[Woodeye]

These guys are really battling it out. :eek: I just hope they won't bin it... :eek:

14 L. PEREZ COMPANC +9:18.7
15 M. WILSON +9:18.8


:D

But hey, Matt's still learning.. Don't be too hard on him.










What a waste of good car.

[WRC2006]

The Kid still has to learn more and don't care because it is Daddy's business. I have to enjoy!!

[Mauri A]

These guys are really battling it out. :eek: I just hope they won't bin it... :eek:

14 L. PEREZ COMPANC +9:18.7
15 M. WILSON +9:18.8
Waiting for team orders from Wilson Snr.

[Perra71]

I know that most have been said about Wilson but I have a really hard time thinking he will have a drive next year if he doesn´t pick up pace.
I mean it will be embarresing for Malcom if his son holds up a seat with that speed :(

[Tomi]

:D

But hey, Matt's still learning.. Don't be too hard on him.

or waiting for teamorders from daddy.

[WRC2006]

Waiting for team orders from Wilson Snr.

Here is the team order : " Dear son, don't push hard your place is always secured."!!!

[COD]

Who´s Haninen?

Sweatheart of rallying, Hani Haninen :laugh:

[Perra71]

Wilson makes you wonder about the status on british rallying, If I remember correctly he usually fight in the top there :(

[Helstar]

galli has some problems with the car
Which problems ... ?


Nobody is paying attention to Atkinson, I must say I'm impressed. GREAT drive. Near Carlsson with a clearly slower car.

[WRC2006]

How many are the best drivers there to challenge him? And with reliable car?

[WRC2006]

It seems that Chris is doing more better than Petter in those days?

Chris said he is very happy with new tires but Petter said he is not? I never understood this while they are in the same team and using the same car?

[Micke_VOC]

Did you get your digital camera?
Have fun

Of course !!
Pics from saturday gonna be up this night on http://www.motorsport4sale.com

Its 135 pics from Friday now there ->
Link to friday:
http://www.motorsport4sale.com/sv_bilder_2007_070209_svenskarallyt_1a_12345.asp

[Perra71]

Hagfors sprint is now live with Livevideo feed on http://www.swerally.se

[Tomi]

Which problems ... ?


Nobody is paying attention to Atkinson, I must say I'm impressed. GREAT drive. Near Carlsson with a clearly slower car.

i think it was something about the brakes

[GigiGalliNo1]

wats going on guys? i went to work :P photographer haha

how's Gigi? 14th? any news? retirements? just someone tell me :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

live coverage on rally website pretty awsome!

[KKS]

Hagfors sprint is now live with Livevideo feed on http://www.swerally.se
realy? cool!
please post a link for live

[Buzz Lightyear]

Wilson makes you wonder about the status on british rallying, If I remember correctly he usually fight in the top there :(


Wilson always avoiding going head to head with Wilks or Meeke.

Higgins wiped the floor with him in the British Championship Season, setting 134 fastest stage stages and Wilson about 3. Wilson is not a reflection of British Drivers, he is a reflection of todays pay culture.

He will be shaking at Wilks doing Norway next weekend. I am not saying Wilks will set the world alight, but I guess he could be in top 8, in an 2005 car, and wipes the floor with Matt.

The sorry thing appears to be, that the drive is not available to anyone else.

[Perra71]

The livefeed is with excellent picture to but I just wish I could put a shovel of snow down the commentators throat :(

[Mauri A]

Well Tomi, I think it´s time for a story of 70´s moral in recce or practising. A dealer´s team sent a couple of mechanics with chain saws to cut a shortcut on a stage in a Finnish Championship rally. The trees were cut, but an other dealer´s team found it out, and sent a few very strong local men to make an blockage with those trees one kilometre from the start of the shortcut. The shortcutters had to reverse back.
I wonder if things like that happens anymore. If not, rallying has lost a lot!

[GigiGalliNo1]

The livefeed is with excellent picture to but I just wish I could put a shovel of snow down the commentators throat :(


hahaahhaaha very tru, I have WRC Radio over it :D

[janez l.]

I don't know if this has been seen yet, but anyway....video of Galli's off

http://24ur.com/naslovnica/novice/sport/20070209_3089477_16164484.php (near the end)

[Peugeot206WRC]

They should break slowsons rally license into 1 bil. pieces for being to slow.
Even get kicked by Ostberg and Flodin (who never drived a wrc car before) with older cars.. HAHAH EMBARASING
Perez Companc will probably advance in the overall tomorrow while slowson drops more. Some n4 drivers will pass him too probably.

[jonas_mcrae]

5 stars for the live coverage, well done organizers

[KKS]

please post a direct link for Hagfors Sprint 2 live video