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KK3869

10th June 2008, 21:18

Article (http://theracersblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/former-offical-suing-nascar-for.html)

Uh oh

Saabaru

11th June 2008, 02:31

This one dosn't sound good at all, but you never know she could just be a disgruntled employee looking for revenge.

Sparky1329

11th June 2008, 05:09

It's disgusting to know that a lawsuit like this is still necessary in 2008.

Saabaru

11th June 2008, 06:20

It's disgusting to know that a lawsuit like this is still necessary in 2008.

Who knows if it’s necessary or not, have you read the allegations? Some of them are a little farfetched. If they are true some people need firing, but unless she took a tape recorder around with her and has audio evidence I don’t know if I would believe it or not. Why would it take her getting fired to come out about this, and why hasn’t any of the other people she talked about already done something? I know that I could be wrong but it all seems a little sketchy to me. All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t make any rash decisions until it goes to court.

colinspooky

11th June 2008, 10:47

Who knows if it’s necessary or not, have you read the allegations? Some of them are a little farfetched. If they are true some people need firing, but unless she took a tape recorder around with her and has audio evidence I don’t know if I would believe it or not. Why would it take her getting fired to come out about this, and why hasn’t any of the other people she talked about already done something? I know that I could be wrong but it all seems a little sketchy to me. All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t make any rash decisions until it goes to court.

What he said. Hope much of this is exaggeration or invention. Trouble with any relaxed conversation in the workplace, there will always be someone who will take offence at something. But if these allegations of sustained abuse are right, then heads need to roll. Banter and abuse are two things. Hope this is not just a case of trying to grab a sack of easy cash. Will give race rights people another headache if these allegations turn out to be wrong.

Saabaru

11th June 2008, 15:12

What he said. Hope much of this is exaggeration or invention. Trouble with any relaxed conversation in the workplace, there will always be someone who will take offence at something. But if these allegations of sustained abuse are right, then heads need to roll. Banter and abuse are two things. Hope this is not just a case of trying to grab a sack of easy cash. Will give race rights people another headache if these allegations turn out to be wrong.

Ummmm..... :confused: All I was saying is don't judge a book by it's cover, wait untill you read the story. One of the easiest ways for a minority in the US to stir things up is to play the race card. It happens all the time, there are people who make a living off of it. But it would be a bad day for everyone if thats what is going on, every time something like this happens this country takes a step backwards. It would be a sad day to find out she did this just for an easy payday. But the timing on this, the random allegations, the fact that she put up with this for so long without doing anything, and the story of what happend between her and the security guard (why she was fired) being skiped over like it was is just a little suspicious don't you think? But if its true NASCAR should have to pay her every peinny she would have made in her career, plus offer her a better job (not that I would take it if I where her), and pay punitive damages.

This hread is a ticking time bomb and everyone should be very very careful about what they say.

colinspooky

11th June 2008, 16:12

Saabaru - I was agreeing with everything you said.
:)

Sparky1329

11th June 2008, 17:54

Who knows if it’s necessary or not, have you read the allegations? Some of them are a little farfetched. If they are true some people need firing, but unless she took a tape recorder around with her and has audio evidence I don’t know if I would believe it or not. Why would it take her getting fired to come out about this, and why hasn’t any of the other people she talked about already done something? I know that I could be wrong but it all seems a little sketchy to me. All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t make any rash decisions until it goes to court.

Geez, fella. Take a pill and unwind yourself. http://www.boomspeed.com/rockysmom/chillpill.gif

According to some of what I'm hearing this lawsuit is based on trumped up BS. I would hope so.

colinspooky

11th June 2008, 19:15

Geez, fella. Take a pill and unwind yourself. http://www.boomspeed.com/rockysmom/chillpill.gif

According to some of what I'm hearing this lawsuit is based on trumped up BS. I would hope so.

Erm, that's kind of what he was saying. Not sure why all this aggro when you are both pretty much saying the same thing.

And not all of us are in a position to be "hearing" things. Which means we would tend to opt for a line of caution rather than mention things like "trumped up BS" with any confidence.

Just saying. :rolleyes:

Saabaru

11th June 2008, 19:43

Saabaru - I was agreeing with everything you said.
:)

I thought so but I wasn't sure. I just wanted to clear the air and close any gaps in what I said so no one coud try and make me look like something I'm not. ;) I think I'll go and checkout another thread now...

RaceFanStan

12th June 2008, 13:55

Galveston dunes

14th June 2008, 01:41

The votes are not all counted out on this one just yet.
Taken from nascar sports page from yahoo

NASCAR suspends 2 officials in lawsuit investigation
By JENNA FRYER, AP Auto Racing Writer
4 minutes ago

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In this Feb. 18, 2007 photo, …

AP - Jun 11, 5:59 pm EDT NASCAR Gallery CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP)—Two officials named in a $225 million racial discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuit against NASCAR have been placed on administrative leave for violating company policy, The Associated Press has learned.

The officials, who were not immediately identified, were sent home from Kentucky Speedway on Friday evening, a person familiar with the NASCAR investigation told the AP. The person requested anonymity because NASCAR’s investigation is ongoing.

Sparky1329

15th June 2008, 02:22

It gets better.

http://www.thatsracin.com/topstories/story/15477.html

"2 suspended NASCAR officials are accused of exposing selves" - France said that two of the officials named in Grant's suit were placed on administrative lead and sent home from Saturday's Nationwide race at Kentucky Speedway.

NASCAR did not name the two officials. The Associated Press, citing unidentified sources, said they were Tim Knox and Bud Moore.

"Obviously, we found some violations in our policy," France said. "(But) I would not jump to conclusions to assume that all the allegations that were made over the many months the plaintiff made are accurate. ... even if we were to take action on any official in this investigation.

"We might discover something entirely different that may have been going on that has nothing to do with the claim in the lawsuit but still is a violation of our policy. That would get you in trouble with us."

Galveston dunes

17th June 2008, 02:46

the two suspended officials are the same two who exposed themselvess to the plaintuiff.

OK maybe Boston in six but deffinetly Boston.

Chaparral66

20th June 2008, 22:32

from nascar.com :
"Brian France said a former employee who has filed a lawsuit did not follow clear-cut company guidelines ..."
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/06/11/bfrance.comments.lawsuit/index.html

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/n.jpg

The allegations seem a bit exaggerated to me.
It also seems to be an unreasonable amount of money sought.
The magnitude of the case appears to be all about the money. :s

What's going on? You have removed all of my posts that came after my initial one on this issue. There was nothing controversal in them, no direct quotes, just a more detailed explanation of what another view I was trying to present. Why is your handling of this thread being so personal and punative? You have allowed yourself to voice your viewpoint, but once you heard one contrary to yours, you removed them. Please explain.

If you can't have a discussion here about this sensitive issue in which there are many viewpoints, kill the whole thread, and prove my theory comepletely.

RaceFanStan

21st June 2008, 06:46

oldhippie

22nd June 2008, 16:26

i bet she wants to settle out of court :p

Sparky1329

22nd June 2008, 18:29

i bet she wants to settle out of court :p

I bet NASCAR does.

Chaparral66

22nd June 2008, 21:57

Feel free to give YOUR opinion.
Eluding to someone that cannot be identified is just a bunch of bull.
Don't hide behind someone that you say said this or that.
Tell us what YOU think about the issue. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

I'm not hiding behind anyone. I as much said that the person who's view I presented reflects my opinion. What I didn't do was say a lot of "I know someone who" this and that, such and such. What I did was have my friend present it personally. As you well know, the politics surrounding the environment that is NASCAR prevents this person from self-identifying or else face serious job security repercussions or at best, isolation.

For the record, and this comes FROM ME, I would suggest that all who look at this case refrain from quick judgement untill the facts come out. Is the money asked for unreasonable? I would say yes, but I'm also sure that the plaintiff doesn't really expect that, that 225 million figure is just a point to start negotiating from in a settlement. Does her claim have merit? We have to wait and see. As my friend said earlier, social intolerance toward people of color take a much more subtle form these days, and I agree, having seen it myself in other corporate environments. The plaintiff here needs a chance to present her arguement. NASCAR will get a chance to argue it's view, so that needs to be looked at as well, since there are always two sides to every issue. All I'm saying is don't automatically assume one way or the other. But usually, where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and the smoke was those two NASCAR officials who were placed on "administrative leave (with pay)" due to "violations in our company policy" according to Brian France. Now we all have to wait and see how this smolders.

Jag_Warrior

1st July 2008, 21:43

The magnitude of the case appears to be all about the money. :s

Whether it's one dollar or a billion, every civil suit is about money.

Chaparral66

1st July 2008, 23:49

Whether it's one dollar or a billion, every civil suit is about money.

That's true. But in the absense of justice, that's the most viable option to go after. Think about it as if your doctor had a chance to use a certain kind of surgery on you to cure a cancer in you but didn't tell you about it, which put your life in danger. What's the first thing you'd think about doing?

Jag_Warrior

2nd July 2008, 04:16

That's true. But in the absense of justice, that's the most viable option to go after. Think about it as if your doctor had a chance to use a certain kind of surgery on you to cure a cancer in you but didn't tell you about it, which put your life in danger. What's the first thing you'd think about doing?

I think you misunderstood. All I meant was ALL civil cases are about money. A dollar amount HAS to be attached. The fact that it's about money doesn't affect the validity of the case.

As for the doctor who put me on the road to death by being either incompetent or greedy... it's probably better that I not answer that on a public forum. The first thing that would probably cross my mind isn't something that I'd want to share here. ;)

As for this case, I've read tidbits over the past few weeks. I haven't followed it that closely. I've seen people in the right be wronged. I've seen people in the wrong come out on the right side. But when NASCAR suspended these two goofs, I'd say that gave her case a definite leg up. Nothing about human behavior really surprises me anymore. But whatever happened, if NASCAR wants to save itself on the PR front, it would probably be better to settle this case ASAP. Even if NASCAR wins, it's going to lose.

Chaparral66

2nd July 2008, 04:53

I think you misunderstood. All I meant was ALL civil cases are about money. A dollar amount HAS to be attached. The fact that it's about money doesn't affect the validity of the case.

Maybe I did misunderstand you, Jag. If I did, my apologies. And your clarification makes a very good point about a lawsuit's validity. It's easy to to attach a bit of cynicism about "all civil cases are about money", but that wasn't my intention. I would suggest that even though the dollar amount sought here is huge (and I don't believe for a minute The Plaintiff expects to get that much), that doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate issue behind the lawsuit worth pursuing, which is essentially what you said, I'm just saying it a bit differently to reinforce the point.

As for the doctor who put me on the road to death by being either incompetent or greedy... it's probably better that I not answer that on a public forum. The first thing that would probably cross my mind isn't something that I'd want to share here. ;)

As for this case, I've read tidbits over the past few weeks. I haven't followed it that closely. I've seen people in the right be wronged. I've seen people in the wrong come out on the right side. But when NASCAR suspended these two goofs, I'd say that gave her case a definite leg up. Nothing about human behavior really surprises me anymore. But whatever happened, if NASCAR wants to save itself on the PR front, it would probably be better to settle this case ASAP. Even if NASCAR wins, it's going to lose.

NASCAR won't lose too much if it makes an honest effort to investigate the issue. If it puts out the window dressing it usually does, everyone will see right through that.

oldhippie

5th July 2008, 17:40

$225 million seems a bit much for someone who was willing to work until she was FIRED
Mauricia Grant only made maybe $25 thousand a year and her lawsuit is bullmanure imo :p

Sparky1329

6th July 2008, 04:46

$225 million seems a bit much for someone who was willing to work until she was FIRED
Mauricia Grant only made maybe $25 thousand a year and her lawsuit is bullmanure imo :p

All of that bullmanure will be a really sweet smell for Mauricia Grant when NASCAR settles with her. And they will. NASCAR has already lost.

RaceFanStan

6th July 2008, 23:24

Chaparral66

7th July 2008, 21:59

I hope NASCAR doesn't settle, they should seek justice against the ficticious charges ...
NASCAR should NOT bow down to the race card or the sexual discrimination card ...
if Mauricia Grant had not been fired for not doing her job there would be no lawsuit !

FIGHT for your rights NASCAR & don't bow to the threat of a lawsuit !

Sounds like you've made up your mind already, RFS.

There is not one person here in this thread who knows for sure whether Mauricia Grant's allegations are true or not. We have to wait and let the legal process work. What I can say is that in my opinion, it's premature to automatically presume her allegations are "just playing the race card" or the "sexual discrimination card" (Jeez, I hate those terms, what an ridiculous and cynical way of looking at it), as it is also premature to presume her allegations are legit, as in "why would she lie?" Most people, when they go and see a lawyer about a case like this, are warned by the lawyer (if he or she is the least bit competent) up front and repeatedly that the public in general is not going to believe the charges, that the plaintiff will be attacked ruthlessly and vindictively, and that most people will assume (not without some level of justification) that it is just about the money. Most forget that the plaintiff must prove her allegations to get a verdict in her favor, and that is a tall order. There is simply no way Grant can win this case just on feeling spited as a result of getting fired. The burden of proof is on Grant. After all that, if she still goes through with it, I for one want to see what she has. NASCAR still deserves the benefit of the doubt until Grant produces something compelling.

But as some people here have noted, and Brian France has acknowledged, two people connected with the case have been suspended by NASCAR (with pay), so there is reason to believe the case by Grant may have merit, but we still don't know yet. We have to let the legal system play forth and see where it goes. Anyone believing one way or the other without seeing any real evidence is kidding themselves.

RaceFanStan

8th July 2008, 01:16

Chaparral66

8th July 2008, 05:15

The bottom-line is that NASCAR's policys don't support discrimination of any sort ...
be it racial, sexual or whatever kind of discrimination, it is against NASCAR's policys ...
NASCAR isn't responsible for their employee's misconduct & she is seeking judgement against the wrong party ...
suing NASCAR for the alledged conduct of her co-workers is a reach & she should lose ...
sue the guilty persons IF they exist but I can't see someone trying to make NASCAR responsible for them ...
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Here is an excerpt from the article linked in the 1st post :
Mauricia Grant, a former tech official in the NASCAR Nationwide Series is suing NASCAR for $250 million
for racial and sexual discrimination, sexual harassment and wrongful termination ...
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It looks like both the "race card" along with the "sexual discrimination card" have been played to me ... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif
I guess when you sue a big company you have to play the victim to get the court's attention ...
however company policy does not condone the alledged misconduct, so ...
I think the outcome will be CASE DISMISSED !!!

This is what gets me. These allegations are legal concepts supported by American law outlawing their practice, and we've reduced it to "cards". Just because someone makes the accusation, it's OK to automatically assume they are false and frivolous? I don't understand that. It's not just the two guys who got "disiplined", it's the environment in place that Grant has an issue with. The environment that turned the other cheek after, according to Grant, repeated complaints that went nowhere or had roadblocks put in their place because nobody took her seriously. If that is true, then NASCAR would be responsible since they allowed this treatment to continue by not making a serious effort at following through on her complaints. Then she would be correct in pursuing her complaint in court, presuming her issues are legitimate.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that just because a big powerful company has anti racial and sexual discrimination policies on the books automatically means they are enforced. There is plenty of documented history of big and powerful organizations who didn't properly police harassment of this kind and it was only after repeated cases being brought up in court did anything happen to put the clamps on it. If you just Google this subject you'll find all kinds of things that happened that certainly are nothing to be proud of.

Now the flip side of this is, what if NASCAR is right? What if Grant didn't follow outlined procedures and make her issues known to people who were in a position to do something about it? What if this is a case of someone not doing a competent job and this is a vindictive action on her part to try to get back at the company? That is certainly a consideration that has to be looked at. It is also worth considering perhaps something prevented the complaints from getting through to the right people. NASCAR is a very big corporation, and anything can happen. As I said in the previous email, the burden of proof is on Grant, as it should be. But it would be in NASCAR's interest to show how that might have happened, and what they would have done had the proper authorities been informed about it. In a sense they have already done that, by suspending the two of the individuals named in the suit. But NASCAR, like any organization, is absolutely responsible for the behavior of their employees. Like I keep saying, we need to let the legal process work and look at all the evidence presented. It's also possible that it could get settled out of court (I can all but guarantee that Grant will not get anywhere close to $225 million, that is a negotiating ploy, so please, quit sweating that figure). That is the only way we will know if her claims are legitimate. And NASCAR has just as much right to defend itself vigorously as Grant has to pursue the case.

My question to you, RFS, is a hypothetical one, but sincere. Suppose your daughter or wife (presuming you have either or both) is getting continually harassed at work or school, and constant complaints are not getting anywhere from a company that has anti harassment policies on the books. The harassment continues, and the stress it creates becomes enough of an issue that it affects her performance on her job, affects the quality of life at home, and because of the complaints, managment stops recognizing her talents and good work history and her progress up the ladder comes to a screeching halt. What would you do? What options would you have to pursue to get some level of justice? Or would you tell your wife or daughter to suck it up, deal with it, and not make waves? I'd be willing to bet if this kind of thing happened to someone close to you, your mindset might be a bit different. If your wife and/or daughter could present evidence of this treament, then you would have an actionable case and could pursue it in court, as is your right as an American. That's what freedom gives you in a democarcy like ours.

RaceFanStan

8th July 2008, 12:57

.....
My question to you, RFS, is a hypothetical one, but sincere.
1. Suppose your daughter or wife (presuming you have either or both) is getting continually harassed at work or school, and constant complaints are not getting anywhere from a company that has anti harassment policies on the books.
2. The harassment continues, and the stress it creates becomes enough of an issue that it affects her performance on her job, affects the quality of life at home, and because of the complaints, managment stops recognizing her talents and good work history and her progress up the ladder comes to a screeching halt.
3. What would you do?
4. What options would you have to pursue to get some level of justice?
5. Or would you tell your wife or daughter to suck it up, deal with it, and not make waves?
6. I'd be willing to bet if this kind of thing happened to someone close to you, your mindset might be a bit different. If your wife and/or daughter could present evidence of this treament, then you would have an actionable case and could pursue it in court, as is your right as an American. That's what freedom gives you in a democarcy like ours.
1. The best way to address a situation is to to follow the chain of command.
Start with the immediate supervisor & keep going to each supervisor in the chain ...
until one is found that has the management skills to address the unpleasant situation.
2. The low-level supervisors will just want things to go away & won't want to address an issue.
The low-level supervisors are only interested in getting the job done & are insensitive to employee issues.
3. See #1. (I would also support my wife or daughter & encourage them to keep going.)
4. My job would be to provide moral support & tell my wife/daughter that eventually someone will listen.
5. Making waves is something I have always done, I would encourage my wife/daughter to be very vocal.
6. My mindset is to fight injustice wherever it exists.
If my wife/daughter were being harrassed at their job I would urge them to make it known to "upper management".
I would tell my wife/daughter to not take any abuse
I might even let the offending person(s) know that they will be exposed to management.
Most bullies are cowards hiding behind a bluff, when confronted they shrink away & look for a new victim.
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Now back on topic :
I really feel that Mauricia Grant may have faced some statements that could have been taken as offensive,
of course the offending person(s) would say it was just in jest & was only said as a joke.
Too many times people are only looking for a way of cashing-in ...
especially when they are dismissed from their job & are faced with having to find another job. :s
If Mauricia Grant was truly harrassed, she should have made upper management aware of it.
The story just doesn't ring true to me & I suspect Mauricia is just looking for a big pay-off.

As stated before we live in the United States ...
a citizen is allowed to bring suit against anyone they choose ...
and every citizen is entitled to have an opinion on those suits ...
just making an allegation doesn't make it true but now NASCAR has to defend themselves. :s

Sparky1329

8th July 2008, 16:41

It's easy to sit here and judge the situation when you haven't walked in the offended party's shoes. Most women working in a male dominated job classification have a tough roe to hoe and there are plenty of examples to document that fact. A quick Google search will confirm just how many major gender discrimination lawsuits have been processed and are in process.

Maybe the fine gentlemen on this message board are not Neanderthals but there are plenty of men in the workforce who are. They are filling executive roles as well as the roles of lower level employees. Until this lawsuit takes it's course it's all speculation.

Ms Grant's lawsuit adds the twist of race discrimination. If even one of her statements regarding that portion of her suit has merit I think it's uncalled for and disgraceful. I've believed from it's inception that NASCAR's Drive for Diversity is nothing more than window dressing so I'm already jaded by my initial opinion that it's pure BS. Reading interviews like this one don't help my attitude.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/sports/othersports/08nascar.html

The fact that two employees have already been suspended leads one to believe that it's not all puppies and roses within the NASCAR establishment. Brian France's statements indicate, to me at least, that all he cares about is the money but that fact should be pretty clear to most NASCAR fans. NASCAR's "image" has been sullied by this lawsuit whether Ms Grant walks away with $225 mil or with empty pockets.

Chaparral66

8th July 2008, 21:40

1. The best way to address a situation is to to follow the chain of command.
Start with the immediate supervisor & keep going to each supervisor in the chain ...
until one is found that has the management skills to address the unpleasant situation.
2. The low-level supervisors will just want things to go away & won't want to address an issue.
The low-level supervisors are only interested in getting the job done & are insensitive to employee issues.
3. See #1. (I would also support my wife or daughter & encourage them to keep going.)
4. My job would be to provide moral support & tell my wife/daughter that eventually someone will listen.
5. Making waves is something I have always done, I would encourage my wife/daughter to be very vocal.
6. My mindset is to fight injustice wherever it exists.
If my wife/daughter were being harrassed at their job I would urge them to make it known to "upper management".
I would tell my wife/daughter to not take any abuse
I might even let the offending person(s) know that they will be exposed to management.
Most bullies are cowards hiding behind a bluff, when confronted they shrink away & look for a new victim.
================================================== ======
Now back on topic :
I really feel that Mauricia Grant may have faced some statements that could have been taken as offensive,
of course the offending person(s) would say it was just in jest & was only said as a joke.
Too many times people are only looking for a way of cashing-in ...
especially when they are dismissed from their job & are faced with having to find another job. :s
If Mauricia Grant was truly harrassed, she should have made upper management aware of it.
The story just doesn't ring true to me & I suspect Mauricia is just looking for a big pay-off.

As stated before we live in the United States ...
a citizen is allowed to bring suit against anyone they choose ...
and every citizen is entitled to have an opinion on those suits ...
just making an allegation doesn't make it true but now NASCAR has to defend themselves. :s

RFS, in the future, please do not misquote me. I would respectfully request you don't presume to change my text by adding bullet point numbers which I did not use, which would make it a misquote. That's not right.

As to your response: You make excellent points as to what an agrieved party should do to get some justice out of a very difficult matter. But what you need to realize is that just because someone follows the chain of command doesn't mean anything will come of it. As I have said, and as Sparky1329 confirmed, there is plenty of documented cases of social abuse in the workplace, where someone complained all the up to the CEO and was brushed aside or threatened with termination if they didn't shut up, where it took going to court to get something done about it. Without knowing all the facts, it's next to impossible to judge who is telling the truth about what went on during Grant's term of employment, and I'm not saying that did or didn't happen here. We have to wait and see what comes out in court.

If your wife/daughter continued to get harrassed despite frequent complaints to managment, then what options would you have? Obviously you would support them as you should. But where do you go after hitting one brick wall after another? The one viable course you can take after all that might be to bring them to court and settle it there. Maybe the threat of the lawsuit will make the defendent party finally look at their work environment and settle out of court and make positive changes. As history has shown, those changes only take place after such a lawsuit has been pushed through the courts.

In this case, as NASCAR has put two people named in the suit on suspension, as I, Sparky1329, and others have noticed on this thread, so assuming as you do that the case has no legs is at best pre-mature at best. If you're saying she should have made upper management aware of the issue, how do we know she didn't? We don't. Nobody here knows at all. We have to wait for the case to come to court and look at her evidence, as well as NASCAR's. It's the only way.

Having said all that, I will defer to Sparky1329's comments.

RaceFanStan

8th August 2008, 12:20

The story takes a new twist .... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/eek.gif

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/n.jpg

from nascar.com :
August 7, 2008
The former racing official who has accused NASCAR of racial discrimination and sexual harassment
in a $225 million lawsuit
had a restraining order filed against her by a former boyfriend
and was arrested for driving under the influence .....
Mauricia Grant, who filed her suit against NASCAR in June,
also was charged with driving with a suspended license
while still employed as a technical inspector for NASCAR's second-tier Nationwide Series .....

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/08/07/nascar.lawsuit.update.mgrant.ap/index.html

Sparky1329

8th August 2008, 15:40

I'm not sure if her offenses have any relevance to her lawsuit but it sure doesn't make her look too good. "People who live in glass houses" and all that sort of stuff.

jslone

9th August 2008, 07:02

Sparky they dont,but it does lend a clue into what kind of peson she really is.Granted she could have had tough breaks in life,or this is who she really is.

Sparky1329

9th August 2008, 15:20

That's true, John.

oldhippie

10th August 2008, 16:41

she has not a chance of out of court settlement and will lose in court
now she needs to shutup and go away :p

Chaparral66

11th August 2008, 02:20

This does some damage to her personally, certainly in the eyes of a jury. But don't forget, two of the people named in her suit were suspended by NASCAR, and that does lend weight to her case, in the eyes of a jury. So as I have said, there are two sides to every story. Just have to wait and let them settle it in court, where both parties will be able to present their arguement. Grant apparently does not deny her history, but it has no direct bearing on her case against NASCAR, who as of yet has not denied Grant's claims, other than Brian France saying she never complained to her supervisors, which Grant says is untrue.

Just have to see the process through. I obviously can't speak for anyone here, but I'm not looking for any smoking gun to confirm guilt or innocence. I want to see what both Grant and NASCAR has before arriving at a personal conclusion. That's just being fair.

Sparky1329

11th August 2008, 04:16

she has not a chance of out of court settlement and will lose in court
now she needs to shutup and go away :p

Not necessarily. If she has hard copy documentation to present to the court to support her case she does not have to shut up and go away. Evidence will decide this case regardless of the mud slinging from both sides.

Chaparral66

11th August 2008, 16:08

Not necessarily. If she has hard copy documentation to present to the court to support her case she does not have to shut up and go away. Evidence will decide this case regardless of the mud slinging from both sides.

Damn skippy, and very well put.

jslone

13th August 2008, 03:41

If she does settle out of court,I wager it might be below $50 million,unless there is hard evidence of wrongful deeds by these people in Nascar.Money doesnt always buy happiness.Just ask Alex Rodriguez.